[sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread tmb
One thing you could do is submit bug reports, especially with   reproducible answers. If I could, I would. Unfortunately, these are rare events, they just have a big impact when they happen. They may be related to crashes, unclean shutdowns, browser crashes, etc. Many variables and rare

[sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread tmb
You can put the .sage/sage_notebook.sagenb/home/ directory under revision control.   You should probably only hg add the worksheet.html and worksheet_conf.pickle files, and ignore everything else. That doesn't really work with the current directory structure. For example, imagine I add two

[sage-support] Re: large upload fails

2009-12-04 Thread tmb
My desktop machine, an 8G 4-core machine. I've tried multiple browsers. This is not a problem with the browser; browsers are capable of very large and very slow uploads. Probably some timeout parameter in the Sage server is set too small. There is no output related to the upload on the Sage

[sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread tmb
Note, incidentally, that restoring from backup (whether in parts or not) is a major problem because the paths to the notebooks change. So, links that I put into the lecture notes point to the wrong notebooks, or are just dead. That's another reason why the current naming scheme really needs to

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Dima Pasechnik
just a side remark - IMHO notebooks are not designed for any kind of large-scope project. For the latter, you are much better off with good old scripts. Notebooks certainly have their own pluses, such as more interactivity and ease of collaboration---but not sharing, as was demonstrated here

[sage-support] 3D plots fail using VirtualBox Sage 4.21 on old XP computer

2009-12-04 Thread Michael Madison
I am running Sage 4.2.1 on a old 1GB ram XP computer with the VirtualBox binary distribution. In the notebook if I try a 3D graph Firefox shuts down and kills the Sage session. This is the same problem I had with the VirtualBox Sage version 4.2. I have also created a separate Ubuntu 9.1 vm in

Re: [sage-support] 3D plots fail using VirtualBox Sage 4.21 on old XP computer

2009-12-04 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Michael, I guess you have discovered (or about to discover) yourself a well–known fact that Windows (XP, or whatever) is not really suitable platform for doing any remotely serious computing :) Dmitrii 2009/12/4 Michael Madison madison.mich...@gmail.com: I am running Sage 4.2.1 on a old 1GB ram

[sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread tmb
On Dec 4, 1:53 pm, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: just a side remark - IMHO notebooks are not designed for any kind of large-scope project. I'm not using them for a large-scope project, I'm using them for teaching pattern recognition and image processing. That means that I create lots

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Tom, I'm contemplating using Sage for teaching an OR course next term, but I won't touch notebooks. I'd just use plain-text scripts. Yes, this would require having Sage installed on a server, where they would be able to run usual interactive sessions. Nothing is wrong with such setup, IMHO...

[sage-support] Re: 3D plots fail using VirtualBox Sage 4.21 on old XP computer

2009-12-04 Thread Michael Madison
I think we should say then what base system requirements are to run Sage. However, running Sage in a VirtualBox Ubuntu 9.1 with the Ubuntu Firefox works fine. I have new system coming. I just wanted to point out if Sage has users trying to run a system like mine it has problems. Thanks Mike On

Re: [sage-support] Re: 3D plots fail using VirtualBox Sage 4.21 on old XP computer

2009-12-04 Thread Robert Bradshaw
Though Windows is not near as well supported as linux and OS X, this should work in principle. Try browsing some of the applets at http://jmol.sourceforge.net/ , does that crash your browser? - Robert On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Michael Madison wrote: I think we should say then what base

[sage-support] resolution of issue with Tkinter, sage-4.2.1, and SLED 10.2

2009-12-04 Thread TDavis
All: I reported an issue a few days ago in which sage's python 2.6 was not properly configured for tcl/tk. My native stand-alone version of python 2.6 (outside of sage) was just fine,though. I've resolved the issue, thanks to a suggestion from this discussion group. I went to my system-wide

Re: [sage-support] 3D plots fail using VirtualBox Sage 4.21 on old XP computer

2009-12-04 Thread William Stein
Hi, 1) Try reducing the amount of memory allocated to the Sage Virtual machine from 512MB to 384MB. 2) Windows XP (even with only 1GB) is a very important platform for Sage, IMHO. -- William On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Michael Madison madison.mich...@gmail.com wrote: I am running Sage

[sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread kcrisman
I'm not even attempting to use it for my research yet.   For that, there really are some features missing. Incidentally, please feel free to be explicit about what features are missing for you to use it for research - and, if possible, any open source projects which *do* have such features and

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: just a side remark - IMHO notebooks are not designed for any kind of large-scope project. There's no reason they couldn't be. For the latter, you are much better off with good old scripts. Notebooks certainly have their own pluses, such as

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:39 AM, tmb wrote: You can put the .sage/sage_notebook.sagenb/home/ directory under revision control. You should probably only hg add the worksheet.html and worksheet_conf.pickle files, and ignore everything else. That doesn't really work with the current directory

[sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread tmb
-- For single user mode, put all the worksheets in ~/SageMath (that tells me that I'm supposed to look at them) It's standard to make a .foo directory to hold application defaults   and data. Making a visible top-level directory is more invasive. Dotfiles contain application defaults,

Re: [sage-support] 3D plots fail using VirtualBox Sage 4.21 on old XP computer

2009-12-04 Thread Bill Page
As reported here in other threads it seems that jmol-based 3-graphics fails in FireFox under Windows XP. I am not sure if it is all configurations anv versions or only some but I do have one laptop running Windows XP and the most recent version of FireFox and this still fails with the newest

[sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread tmb
Incidentally, please feel free to be explicit about what features are missing for you to use it for research - and, if possible, any open source projects which *do* have such features and would be possible to add to Sage, especially Python, C, or C++ libraries. My research involves numerical

Re: [sage-support] 3D plots fail using VirtualBox Sage 4.21 on old XP computer

2009-12-04 Thread Michael Madison
William, I am traveling. However, My Ubuntu vm is 380MB. Mike Sent from my iPod On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:59 AM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 1) Try reducing the amount of memory allocated to the Sage Virtual machine from 512MB to 384MB. 2) Windows XP (even with only 1GB) is a

[sage-support] Re: 3D plots fail using VirtualBox Sage 4.21 on old XP computer

2009-12-04 Thread Michael Madison
Robert, Yes, In both my FireFox and Windows Explorer the jmol web page causes both browsers to fail. I also tried to view the 3D plot from Sage in Windows Explorer and got the same failure. So it probably is not sage, but jmol in XP. Again, one way out is running FireFox from within Ubuntu.

[sage-support] Re: 3D plots fail using VirtualBox Sage 4.21 on old XP computer

2009-12-04 Thread Marshall Hampton
I use Sage all the time on a windows XP machine and firefox, and its usually fine (lots of jmol applets can cause memory problems but that's not specific to that setup). But I am using a remote server usually, not virtualbox. I did briefly test virtualbox on that setup and I think it worked OK

[sage-support] Simplifying arctan2 expressions

2009-12-04 Thread taco
I have been using sage to solve for the eigenvectors and eigenvalues of a 4x4 symbolic matrix. It takes a few hours, but sage is able to return the solutions. My dilemma is that the resulting expressions are *HUGE*. If I ask sage to display one of the eigenvalues on screen (not using show()) it

[sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Jason Grout
Dima Pasechnik wrote: I referred to an apparent missing feature of exporting notebook cells into a Sage script. One way to do this is to press control-backspace in the bottom cell a bunch of times until all the cells' code is in one cell (that keystroke joins the current cell with the

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: 2009/12/5 Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu: On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: just a side remark - IMHO notebooks are not designed for any kind of large-scope project. There's no reason they couldn't be. I meant

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 4, 2009, at 12:20 PM, tmb wrote: -- For single user mode, put all the worksheets in ~/SageMath (that tells me that I'm supposed to look at them) It's standard to make a .foo directory to hold application defaults and data. Making a visible top-level directory is more invasive.

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Dima Pasechnik
2009/12/5 Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu: On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: 2009/12/5 Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu: On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: just a side remark - IMHO notebooks are not designed for any kind of

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Dima Pasechnik
2009/12/5 Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com: Dima Pasechnik wrote: I referred to an apparent missing feature of exporting notebook cells into a Sage script. One way to do this is to press control-backspace in the bottom cell a bunch of times until all the cells' code is in one cell

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 4, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: 2009/12/5 Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu: On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: 2009/12/5 Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu: On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: just a side remark - IMHO

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Dima Pasechnik
such a functionality. After this is done, one has to wait just a bit to see requests for Sage notebooks to be able to work as an e-mail client :-) See the email() command :). huh? It does not seem to be possible to locate documentation on this... Certainly not in various indices, and plain

Re: [sage-support] Re: losing confidence in Sage notebooks

2009-12-04 Thread Michael Welsh
On 5/12/2009, at 8:29 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: such a functionality. After this is done, one has to wait just a bit to see requests for Sage notebooks to be able to work as an e-mail client :-) See the email() command :). huh? It does not seem to be possible to locate documentation on