The last part of the sentence "unless required as part of a fire
separation" NFPA 30 requires it as part of the fire separation for the
horizontal barrier. "NFPA #30 2024 Section 16.6.2 Horizontal barriers of
plywood"
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Just because the max spacing is 16-6 doesn't mean it has to be that far
apart, with multiple row racking you may have to have them spaced at 8'-4
apart so that you don't go over the sqft requirement.
124/8.333=14'-10
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Pressfit actually utilized Sch 5 galvanized pipe, there has been Sch 7
listed sprinkler pipe available for roughly 30 years, it was available when
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Also in section 9.2.3.7 Sprigs. Sprigs 4 ft (1.2 m) or longer shall be
restrained against lateral movement.
At one time it was only required in seismic areas but since 2013 it is
required on any sprigs 4' or longer, as I understand it.
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9.3.6.6 Sprigs 4 ft (1.2 m) or longer shall be restrained against lateral
movement.
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I don't believe it states whether the spacing is along branches or between
Max spacing is 12'-0 but max coverage is still only 100sqft
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of a mezzanine.
So NOT an obstruction, it's a FLOOR ASSEMBLY, so you would protect the
floor below the mezzanine according to whatever hazard is present below it.
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I think that would depend on the municipality, most do not want the
sprinkler water going directly into the storm drains, drained to exterior
or into a waste drain
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That is exactly how I see it as well
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Trying to determine which is actually the "right" way to design the system
as there are cost implications.
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largest area but in my opinion the largest floor space doesn't
necessarily present as the most demanding.
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hat is really
considered as producing the greatest hydraulic demand? I always choose
whatever gives me the greatest pressure loss not necessarily the larger
flow.
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and not interfere with movement. Just a thought.
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% of rated flow
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If you look at FIGURE A.4.15.6 Right and Wrong Pump Suctions, one of the
diagrams does show something similar to what you are proposing.
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Ok, but this would basically fall under the room design method in 13 then
and not require a phantom flow, unless I'm missing something, I have never
added a phantom flow to a paint booth.
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shall include the discharge from the hydraulically
most remote adjacent sprinklers in a common 30.5 m (100 linear ft) area of
duct (horizontal and/or vertical).
(4) Sprinklers shall provide a minimum flow of 114 L/min (30 gpm) per
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NFPA 13 12.3 Adjacent hazards
There is a section in there that shows have a 2'-0 deep draft curtain with
a 4'-0 Aisle below it
Can't remember exactly where it mentions ESFR's but I know I've read it
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is is becoming less and less of a
concern but there are some companies that just can't have the disruption in
their data flow.
If money is not the concern than I usually try to steer someone towards the
Victaulic Vortex system.
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have criteria for 20'-0 of storage but I don't see any information
specifically for pulp fiber.
Have you tried getting a meeting with their insurance company, they may
have some insight on what they want to see for protection.
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f the duct
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; partitions, privacy curtains and "similar obstructions". I don't think
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>>> if this design approach should be questioned but also want to make sure I
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I think you also need to look at the 18" requirement for the sprinkler
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possibly but OHII covers 10'-0 of class IV commodity, personally I don't
see how the fire trucks or equipment in the apparatus bay would take you
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falls within the building code allowances for an unprotected building and
certainly with the tables for a building protected with a sprinkler system.
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If it's one second floor zone than it's a problem, if it's a standpipe
riser with 2 separate zone controls for each section of the 2nd floor then
it's fine
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If the space above is an unprotected combustible space then it's 8, if the
space is protected (sprinklered or fire rated or full of
insulation) then it's 4
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and becomes plugged, then it fails in a fire when you needed the
most.
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That's a good idea actually, then you can throw back at the mechanical
engineer and say it was designed as per the tender drawings, if they
require a safety margin on the contract that would be in excess of the
tender requirements.
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documents.
Mechanical engineers never like being told they are wrong, have to be
creative and give the mechanical engineer an out, so it's not their fault,
better chance of getting that change order.
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be smaller as long as it's capable of providing the
required flow at a positive pressure.
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If you go with FM and the Tyco 33.6 then max height is 55'-0, idle wood
pallet storage over 35' in a building over 40'-0 (FM) protection criteria
it to protect as per group A plastics
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Had this discussion in a seminar about ESFR sprinklers, They
specifically direct a large amount of the water straight down for rack
penetration, that is why there is not allowed to be any obstructions
directly below the sprinklers, the cable tray needs to move.
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IMO this is the architect's decision and the booth has to have suppression
in it.
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ne else to determine If
and where we are putting a sprinkler system in place.
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in detail about this that
specifically talks about coolers and freezers having no exclusions from
protection, or the annex - A8.1.1
I believe the fire code refers to NFPA 13 for all sprinkler related codes.
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but if you know
of the obstructions beforehand and include them in the initial calculations
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Typically non storage sprinkler supplied with 1"
Storage type sprinkler supplied with same size as branch line (typical for
ESFR sprinklers)
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NFPA 13 12.3 - elevation change of at least 2'-0 and above an aisle with a
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8.17.5.1 basically for clean up
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8.15.20.5.3 a nipple not exceeding 4" in length of the same size as the
outlet shall be permitted provided that hydraulic calculations can verify
flow rate.
unless you are in a seismic area than nipples smaller than 1" in
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There are dry chemical systems specifically listed and designed for paint
booth applications, we do them all the time, the cost is double the cost
for sprinklers, unless you don't have or can't get the current system to
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Also Tyco has some 11.2k dry heads, I have used these on a couple of paint
booths, pricey but brings your pressure requirements down.
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NFPA 13 has limited information on the requirements for paint booths, need
to look through NFPA 33 to find all the requirements for sprinklers in
paint booths
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Viking Supply has 8.0k dry sidewalls
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We've used a carriage bolt and fender washers
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of the table look to be correct.
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to determine an amount of water required to create the fire
separation. The water curtain requires 3gpm per lineal foot but as a fire
separation this may need to be increased.
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pipe rarely even sees any water flow!
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