I passed this item on to a few friends in the UK and one of them, a
former senior fire safety officer with many years experience responded:
Answer: simple - he likes going to fires.
Stewart
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among other toxic gases
S
On 10 Nov 2008, at 14:28, Ergo wrote:
Freon! If they used freon (R-12
) it's no wonder that fatalities occured. When freon and flame
combine the
product is a deadly gas called phosgene.
Ergo
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Stewart Kidd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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According to the BBC the fire fighting gas was 'freon'
Stewart
On 9 Nov 2008, at 16:52, Todd Williams - FPDC wrote:
It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next few
weeks. http://www.cnn.com./2008/WORLD/europe/11/09/russia.submarine/index.html
Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire
, wasn't phosgene used quite a bit during WWI?
At 09:28 AM 11/10/2008, you wrote:
Freon! If they used freon (R-12
) it's no wonder that fatalities occured. When freon and flame
combine the
product is a deadly gas called phosgene.
Ergo
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Stewart Kidd [EMAIL PROTECTED
All due respect to Craig and his comments but as a consultant can I
propose that architects are much harder to deal with than PE's ?
In the UK architects do a seven year university course. On this, in
most cases, they spend less than one day on fire protection. Do I make
my point ?
not only the hydrant main but
also sprinklers and a large deluge system
Regards
Stewart
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On 21 Nov 2008, at 13:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a specific reason for going with the pond instead of a tank?
If it's aesthetics
covered
in NFPA 850.
Stewart
Stewart Kidd
www.risk-consultant.com
On 24 Nov 2008, at 14:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ron,
When you say tube style, I am assuming that is the same as pipe
conveyors where the belt is open at loading and unloading ends, but is
wrapped closed by idlers for travel
premises) but there is a serious risk of re-
ignition once the gas concentration dissipates
Regards
Stewart Kidd
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On 25 Nov 2008, at 18:49, Fletcher, Ron wrote:
Thanks Charles, we are looking at CO2. The kettles are 7.5 ft. x 20
ft.
and they have covers latched
to remove carbon particles and any emulsification, probably be reused.
Stewart
On 25 Nov 2008, at 21:10, Fletcher, Ron wrote:
Thanks Stewart. Have you ever compared the cost of mist to CO2?
Ron
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Interesting story - I have recently had 'discussions' with a
consultant who has undertaken a 'fire engineering study' for an
education dept in England which concluded that sprinklers were not
needed in a new school (despite a presumption issued by the Government
Department responsible for
Scot
The Government department responsible for Education in England has
issued a risk assessment tool which has to be used in planning all new
schools. In the case of virtually all secondary schools and many
larger primary tools the outcome from the risk assessment indicates
that
Todd is absolutely right - all UK fire law (until 2005) was written
after major life loss fires.
What odds will anyone give me that the Thai government will be
considering new legislation for nightclubs right about now ?
Stewart
On 2 Jan 2009, at 00:00, Todd Williams wrote:
Go back in
In the power stations in Hong Kong we used to use 'tun dishes' to
collect the test drain water in deluge systems - these were copper or
galvanised iron hoppers around 40 inches by 16 inches by 24 inches
deep and the bottom of the tun dish had a 4 inch diameter connection
to its own little
Colleagues
I have received an enquiry from a UK company as follows:
Has anyone heard of “anti MIC chemical coatings” for metal sprinkler
systems?
Can anyone help ?
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Colleagues
I have received an enquiry from a UK company as follows:
Has anyone heard of anti MIC
Reza
Inergen and Argonite are proprietary gas mixtures which are direct
competitors of carbon dioxide for total flooding systems. I guess
there are people selling straight Argon mixtures but I have never been
asked to review such a system.
Argonite and carbon dioxide are not recommended
Hypoxic Air Inerting to give it is correct name is indeed prohibited
in some jurisdictions and OSHA maintains its stance that any system
which reduces oxygen levels to below 16% is unsafe for occupied
spaces,. I have been involved in the design studies and installation
of one such small
) and IG-01 (Argon) and IG-100
(Nitrogen), are these three prohibited to use for occupied spaces?
Water mist
Regards
Stewart
I eagerly would like to know your ideas about the above three
scenarios.
Thanks,
Reza
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From
Most anti freeze additives on the market appear to contain ethylene
glycol which (when I last looked) is certainly combustible. Whether it
is flammable depends on how you define 'flammable'. It has a fairly
high flashpoint 110ºC so is not 'easy' to ignite with a match or a
spark but it
Craig
There are no consistent regimes regarding equipment standards.
In most of the Gulf States (UAE, Bahrain, Qatar) the local Civil
Defence (= Fire Department) will accept LPCB, VdS and UL standards.
FM listings are also generally acceptable. in addition, some of the
UAE CD depts also
Franz
The mention of the underground parking also rings bells !
Recent tests for the UK government suggest that the likelihood of fire
spread from vehicle to vehicle is much greater than previouslyb
thought and the fuel load of modern cars is rated at around 7Mw !
Stewart
PS Currently
learn from the mistakes of others!
glc
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Colleagues
For once, I find myself a loss for words and I'm n sure whether to
laugh or cry !
The FSC is government-owned and is the UK's principle fire training
centre. The fire destroyed (I am told) all of the colleges fire trucks.
Stewart
No - 1960's construction - some UK fire departments started fitting
sprinklers to stations back in the mid 90's.
There are very, very few sprinklered government buildings
Stewart
On 16 May 2009, at 23:58, scott mitchell wrote:
Was it sprinklered?
Reza
For what it's worth, UK practice does not permit hydrants and hose
reels/racks to be taken from sprinkler mains. However these are
insurer requirements and as such are subject to negotiation. I had a
problem many years ago on a coal fired power station (1600 MW) which
had a massive
Frans
Can't recall the article but there is a UK shopping centre (converted
from a skating rink) which is sprinkler protected using free standing
posts each with three or four arms containing sprinkler heads. I'll
send you a picture off-line.
Regards
Stewart
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Frans
Can't recall the article but there is a UK shopping centre (converted
from a skating rink
unnecessary.
Regards
Stewart
On 6 Jul 2009, at 00:10, Thomas Watt wrote:
Wow...no heat collection necessary eh?
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of Red Bank, NJ
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Thomas
In the new Bond film (Casino Royale) the baddie sets off all the
sprinklers in Miami airport by operating a pull box. Several people
have complained but the studio's response was 'It's only a movie'.
Regards
Stewart
Since we're running w/ this thread...
Frequency w/ Dennis Quaid and Jim
take the sort of pressures you would want for fire
department use. I normally specify that there is a locked (but easily
openable) gate valve upstream of the sea water pump and then backfill
this section with fresh water.
Stewart Kidd
Loss Prevention Consultancy Ltd
coastally-Original
.
Best regards to all
Stewart
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Quite right old boy, slip of the keyboard. Thanks
Stewart
Me thinks (as some Brits say) that Brant would be contacted for FPC
whereas you'll want to discuss this with Janet Knowles (AFSA).
Roland
On May 14, 2007, at 8:25 AM, Stewart Kidd wrote:
Just read Ronny Coleman's piece
question is: What's wrong with sprinklers or mist ? I
specify these all the time for IT and comms rooms.
Stewart
Stewart Kidd
Loss Prevention Consultancy
Cambridge, England
Reza, No I minute is OK. BUT be careful of over pressurization due
to the high rate and high
concentration. The intent
or other of the international reinsurers who
will certainly be looking for reliable fire water supplies -
especially when local fire departments may be some distance away or
less than effective in high risk premises.
Kind regards
Stewart
Stewart Kidd
Loss Prevention Consultancy Ltd
http
For once, representing the British Automatic Fire Sprinkler
Association, I thought I would share two pieces of good news.
1. The Welsh Assembly (kind of like a state assembly) will later this
year debate a Bill to require all new homes in Wales to be
sprinklered.
2, Following strong lobbying,
Reza
I work a great deal in the heritage/museum/gallery/kibrary area and
would advise great caution in listening to salesmen.
FM 200 is most certainly not the widest used system for museum and
gallery protection - sprinklers and water mist are much more commonly
used. You should note
You can download a summary of the report or order the complete work
http://www.riksantikvaren.no/Norsk/Publikasjoner/Utgitt_i_samarbeid_med_andre/filestore/ManualContentsandExecutivesummaryonly.pdfhere
Stewart
Reza
I work a great deal in the heritage/museum/gallery/kibrary area and
would
Try getting into the form via this link - it appears to be accesible
without logging in as a committee member or as an NFPA member.
http://submissions.nfpa.org/onlinesub/onsubmain.php
Stewart
http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/PDF/CodesStandards/NFPAProposalForm.doc
You might have to be a
Reza
Geir is the world expert on air reduction systems - you can take
anything he says on this to the bank. (He and I have spent the last
five years working on an EU sponsored heritage protection project).
If the oxy levels are reduced to 15 -16% or less combustion cannot
take place but in
Not much help but an observation: most UK insurers require an
enhanced level of physical fire separation between sprinklered and
unprinklered buildings. This is normally two hours but I have seen
four hours being specified for a plastics factory.
Stewart
Isn't there an assumption made by
No good experience with any of the
Chinese/Taiwanese components (but that doesn;t
mean that all of them are garbage - there's a
lot of stuff from the Far East circulating in the
Arabian Gulf - some of it clear knock-offs of
listed components.
Hong Kong Fire Services Department maintains a
Nah -We went metric 35 years ago - common scales are 1:100, 1:200
Stewart
Hello Everyone,
Are plans drawn in the UK using 1/4 = 1' ?
I had this question asked of me and, by-golly, I found myself
scratching my head.
Regards
My old 1977 Land Rover needs Whitworth, AF and metric spanners/sockets
SK
And I've been holding on to my Whitworth spanners.
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Nah -We went metric 35 years ago - common scales are 1:100, 1:200
Stewart
Hello Everyone,
Are plans drawn
Let's hope the 'medical centre' includes the provision of a
psychiatric facility
Stewart
Well if that's the case, speaking as a designer I think dude's a
genius. Keep those prices up fellahs ...
Steve Leyton
Protection Design Consulting
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I'm truly amazed - and grateful to John D for this reference - not to
mention horrified.
I can't believe in the litigious USofA that I know and love that no
one has questioned the advertising claims for such systems. The most
fundamental lesson in fire safety is that it is the smoke in
I spent more than 10 years as a power company's
FPE and have been involved in dozens of
substation schemes.
The determining factor on protection of a large
power Tx is a complex matrix of:
Type of fluid in the Tx and any coolers
Volume of fluid
Normal termperature of fluid
Indoor/Outdoor
This demonstrates the chaos even a small substation fire can cause
Regards
Stewart
Tower fires in Melbourne
December 6, 2007
Thousands of workers were evacuated from two central Melbourne office
towers after an explosion in an electrical substation in a car park
caused a fire in one and cut
Craig
There's plenty of data and experience out there
if you look beyond the US. Not all mist systems
need pumps - I have been responsible for a number
where all that was needed was two cylinders of
water and one of nitrogen.
There is a draft EN (European Standard) 14972 for
mist
consolation I know, but reflect that what this
particular union is doing used to be illegal under English common law
and was known as Barratry. I belive some US states retain the
offence under codified law.
Good luck to your contractor friend.
Stewart Kidd
Hi All,
I would like to gather some
which was installed around 1930 which successfully
extinguished a fire in February 2005.
Stewart Kidd
BAFSA, Ely, England
Here is a question I was asked today:
Where can I find a list that indicates the Estimated Design life for a fire
suppression/sprinkler system?
What say ye
Presumably the premises are not as we on this side of the pond would
understand a 'Gentleman's Club'? Presumably one of the young
ladiesor one of the members overheated ?
Regards
Stewart
Hello sprinklerforum,
Near the bottom of the page
George
You won't go far wrong if you follow the table ( 1.9 I think in NFPA
15). This requires a minimum of 7 inches (178mm) for all voltages
13.8 kV
Stewart Kidd
Would anyone know how much clearance we need to leave between or steel feed
main and an exposed crane rail with 440 volts
Have recently been involved in insurance inspections of two very
large plants in SC (including one near Spartanburg) I have been
following this [articular debate. The VFD's in the area all seem to
roll tankers regardless of the presence of hydrants on even quite
small roads.
Both my plants
!
Masalaama !
Stewart
Stewart Kidd
Loss Prevention Consultancy Ltd UK
On 23 Jun 2008, at 13:44, Haji, Jaber M wrote:
Newly constructed research and development lab facility is protected
by a wet type sprinkler system, one of the lab scientist is worried
about the accidental release
That's quite a majority ! Well done SC
Stewart
On 27 Jun 2008, at 12:09, John Drucker wrote:
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Subject: South Carolina Legislature Overrides Governor Veto of
Sprinkler
While NOVEC is certainly greener than FM200 (and of course, less
corrosive and has a lower toxicity) the 'non-chemical' fire fighting
gases (Argonite and Inergen) have fairly green credentials too.
Nitrogen or Argon do not have any GWP - although the 8% CO2 in
Inergen has obviously some
Reza
Not sure that the ill-effects are entirely due to the fire gases. The
1996 LPC Report 'Halon Alternatives' based on a series of well
documented tests suggests that FM 200 generates high levels of
hydrogen fluoride in the presence of fire -
these were stated in respect of the test fires
Based on UK insurers protocols any FM200 protected space is unsafe for
occupation at such concentration levels. Most companies follow
similar procedures for CO2 systems and evacuate FM200 protected rooms
before the gas is discharged.
Stewart
On 3 Sep 2008, at 19:05, Reza Esmaeili wrote:
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Regards
Stewart
Stewart Kidd
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On 11 Sep 2008, at 13:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
NFPA 85 has a lot of verbiage concerning coal bunkers. But there's
not a lot if any fixed fire protection involved
water in Bahrain and none of it good. We filled all fire
mains and tanks with
'sweet water' (desalinated water from flash distillers with some added
minerals) and then had to flush any line that was used before refilling.
Regards
Stewart
Stewart Kidd
On 27 Jul 2009, at 11:06, Steve Kowkabany
Dear Colleagues
Ooops...yet another fire in embarrassing circumstances!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8177701.stm
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Colleagues
You may be interested in the very interesting recent research carried
out by Kent Fire Rescue Service into changes in public attitudes to
sprinklers:
http://www.bafsa.org.uk/snews.php
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, Wings (fenders), torches,
lifts
I can add 'fire appliances'
Kevin Mowle
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Brian
I had several systems in the Gulf where brackish water was used - I
always speciified gunmetal pump casings and volutes and this seems to
have been satisfactory.
Stewart Kidd
On 20 Aug 2009, at 14:13, Brian Harris wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with a fire pump taking suction
Thom
In many part of the world the public water mains supply water which
may be technically within WHO guidelines for potability is essentially
brackish. In the Arabian Gulf this is produced by blending ground
water with distilled/desalted water. People use this for general
household
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Incidentally
There's a DC link from Sangatte in France to Sellinge in Kent. This
allows the UK to utilise nuclear generated power but puts all the
reactor risks in France's backyard.
Stewart
On 26 Aug 2009, at 20:13, Van pellicom Giedo wrote:
And the last one, for the Belgium Electricity grid lovers
The capacity is two circuits (each of two pairs of cables) offering a
total of 2000 MW import export, each operating at 270 kV. Both UK
and France use 50Hz but the DC link was chosen for better control and
lower losses. The whole link is 73 km with the under sea section is
48 km.
I did
You'd be welcome !
Stewart
PS Bring your voltage and frequency converters - our extra strength
240v 50 hz AC munches wimpy US 110v 60 Hz appliances !
On 27 Aug 2009, at 16:42, George Church wrote:
EFSN conference?
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Haji
Missed the first post.
While preaction systems are one way to appease the fears of the anti
sprinkler lobby, I have major philosophical problems with the
rationale of taking a simple, effective system with an incredibly high
success rate and very low failure rate and then making it
Ron
'Haji' is an honorific representing Jaber Mohammed's status as a
Moslem male who has made the 'Haj', (the pilgrimage to Mecca) - it's
kind of optional but most people who use the word in their name
appreciate their status being acknowledged. Jaber probably has two or
three other
Frans
Hi ex foam can sometimes not work to suppress fires in complex structures due
to back pressures. I had a failure in a basement and tunnel system some years
ago. There have also been problems with foam systems in cable tunnels in power
stations. I think the only areas where foam is
I'm still using the 16th edition - wonder what the postage would be to the UK ?
Stewart
On 17 Dec 2009, at 20:09, Brian Harris wrote:
For some reason the link got truncated, you need to combine both lines.
Sorry.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Fire-Protection-Handbook-Hardcover-2003_W0QQitemZ3412923
is a greater probability that the fuel will sit in the
tank for a long time. There have reportedly been a couple of cases where fire
pumps have failed to start due to clogged filters.
Regards
Stewart
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Secretary General
British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association Ltd
Registered
Colleagues
I thought I would share some joyful news with you all and record how one
woman's persistence and determination can overcome civil service inertia and
bureaucracy. We are not yet there but there is a light at the end of the tunnel
and it ain't a candle !
Best wishes
Stewart Kidd
://www.bafsa.org.uk/publications/general-3rd-party-publications.php
Cost quite a lot (for a small trade group !) so feel free
Best wishes
Stewart
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Subject: Re: Car Park/Stacker
Colleagues
Just seen this - am in Scotland where broadband refers to a belt
Ron
ahem !getting back to the forum:
Historic Scotland, the government agency for looking after Scotland's built
heritage are one of my consultancy customers. I do quite a lot of training,
technical writing and consultancy on fire systems (some of you will remember
the sprinkler
Can't comment on whether drives are sealed but when FM200 is discharged during
a fire it produces a residue which is corrosive - let me know if you want a
citation for this.
Stewart Kidd
On 5 Mar 2010, at 13:27, craig.pr...@ch2m.com craig.pr...@ch2m.com wrote:
They do leave some residue
Geoff
Inergen will not leave a residue as its component gases are all inert. It's
only the chemical gases which can do this as when they discharge under some
circumstances there is a breakdown of their constituents in the presence of
heat and products of combstion.
Stewart
On 5 Mar 2010, at
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Can't comment on whether drives
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Can't comment on whether drives are sealed but when FM200 is discharged
during a fire it produces a residue which is corrosive - let me know
Haji
Mabrouk !
Whatever you do, avoid the FM 200 as the gas decomposes during firefighting to
generate hydrogen fluoride which is highly corrosive. The HF will form a layer
on all exposed surfaces and equipment and quickly attack most metals and
materials like printed circuit boards.
I have
responding fire truck had been carrying
a wedge or sprinkler stopper ?
Stewart Kidd
Cambridge, England
On 23 Aug 2010, at 14:07, George Church wrote:
Careful- the $1,000 is the damage from the FIRE.
Damage from the sprinkler is what was EXTENSIVE.
They'd have been so much further ahead
that there are still people out there
who
should know better when commenting on the effects of a sprinkler
operation.
Wouldn't it have been nice if the first responding fire truck had been
carrying a wedge or sprinkler stopper ?
Stewart Kidd
Cambridge, England
On 23 Aug 2010, at 14:07, George Church wrote
Nice to see common sense as well as jurisprudence triumphing - unlike the
present position in the UK where the coalition Conservative/Liberal Democrat
administration is proposing to repeal local regulations in several counties
which permit the local fire authorities to require sprinklers in
Craig
Extreme care is needed for use of cooling water in fire systems. I've had
several problems with power stations in developing countries where this has
initially seemed an attractive and cost-effective option. Not only are there
serious potential problems with the chemicals used in the
I'm with Craig - having spent 10 years managing fire protection for two
electrical utility operations in my sordid youth, this is a subject dear to my
heart.
Despite trying for 25 years I've not been able to find any evidence of anyone
having been injured or killed by the conductivity of water
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to have such a law.
More on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12477983
Best wishes to all
Stewart
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Registered in England in 1974: No 01194637 as a company limited by guarantee
Richmond House, Broad Street, Ely CB7
installations. This equals
59,000 square feet.
Regards
Stewart
Stewart Kidd
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British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association Ltd
Registered in England in 1974: No 01194637 as a company limited by guarantee
Richmond House, Broad Street, Ely CB7 4AH
Tel 01353 659187, Fax 01353 19
Thom
Excellent point - in the UK at least, insurers are the AHJ on most industrial
and warehouse occupancies as our building regs on large warehouses do not kick
in until you get to 20,000m2 (ie 215,000 sq ft.)
Stewart
On 23 Feb 2011, at 15:50, Thom wrote:
Actually I think this could make a
Coal dust is very explosive and so is the most common fertiliser, ammonium
nitrate. NH4NO3 is commonly used in improvised explosive devices - often with
diesel oil as a binder and enhancer. used to be known as Co-op Mixture in N
Ireland.
Stewart
On 23 Feb 2011, at 22:12, Todd Williams wrote:
Coal is crushed in power stations by ball mills and is then blown into boilers
by forced draft fans to be burnt like oil. I spent 10 years in power gen and
used to be a member of NFPA 850 and I have never heard of non combustible coal.
The coal which someone mentioned as being spontaneously
in this transmission or any of its attachments without separate
authentication of its authenticity or approval. If you have received this in
error I apologize please notify me so I can correct my records. Thank you for
your cooperation.
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Todd
We had one in the UK in March - not caused by freezing for sure. Tank was 22
years old - it's the first I had heard of although I am aware of a 5 million
gall make up water tank in an eastern European power station which burst
killing 38 people. The tank was only 8 years old.
Stewart
that this is in common use for any kind of incident which results in
an escape. 'collapse' has its own subtext as does 'rupture'. Perhaps we need a
euphemism that won't get the insurers and lawyers too excited ?
Stewart
On 11 Apr 2011, at 15:46, Stewart Kidd wrote:
Todd
We had one in the UK in March
Robert
Assuming that the tx are outdoors then there is a real concern that the flux
density needed to achieve extinction could be affected by air movement. While
I'd like to think that mist would be entirely suitable for this purpose I have
personal reservations - especially as one of the
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Robert
Assuming that the tx
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