RE: Sprinklerforum Digest, Vol 59, Issue 4

NFPA 13R does allow non residential sprinklers in dwelling units, 6.2.1.1 Listed residential sprinklers shall be used unless another type is permitted by 6.2.1.3 or 6.2.1.4. See 6.2.1.3-6.2.1.4 "Listed quick response sprinklers shall be permitted in Dwelling units" Also NFPA 13 says "residential

RE: threaded union fitting - follow up

Just to follow up with this - after reviewing with the code inspector, it was the plumbing code requirement they were thinking of - not applicable to sprinklers. (I know you all have been on pins and needles!) Matt From: Matt Grise Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 1:33 PM To: 'sprinklerforum@

RE: Sprinklerforum Digest, Vol 59, Issue 4

It goes on to state that the number of non-residential sprinklers can not be greater than 4 in an entire dwelling unit, not just a compartment.If you can't keep the number of non-residential sprinklers to less than 4 in your dwelling units, you seem to fall out of 13R criteria. Travis Mack, S

Tank Storage

I was asked to do a review of a building that collects waste from commercial grease traps. They take this waste back to their warehouse and put it in large tanks (120,000 liters) to allow separation. 75% water, 20% vegetable oils and animal fats, 5% solids. Once separated the waste materials ar

RE: Tank Storage

The grease and oils are hydrocarbons and will not mix with water. The water will separate out and depending on where a leak would occur in the tank, your spill could be wholly combustible in nature. Typically these are Class IIIB combustible liquids. IF you are following NFPA 13, I would not

Re: Tank Storage

Quantity of indoor storage of Class III-B Combustible Liquids is not limited in an NFPA 13 protected building. You aren’t even required to have normal vents or relief go to the exterior. 2015 IFC. Craig asked a few more questions. I wouldn’t even start a review yet. Fire plan reviewers get to a

Glazing Protection at doors

Is there a sprinkler protection option for glazing protection at a glass doorway? Jerry Van Kolken Millennium Fire Protection Corp. 2950 San Luis Rey Rd. Oceanside, CA 92058 (760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerf

RE: Glazing Protection at doors

Fixed glazing next to a door - yes. Operable glazing- not that I have found. Matt From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Kolken Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:09 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Glazing Protec

Glazing Protection with standard spray

Okay, Is been about a decade since I've dealt glazing protection. Is there any information on protecting window with standard spray sprinklers. I've been told this was direction was approved by the AHJ. Jerry Van Kolken Millennium Fire Protection (760) 722-2722 __

RE: Glazing Protection with standard spray

There isn't any prescribed protection for door glazing. There is a window sprinkler, I think it was by Tyco that when installed per its listing was considered equivalent to 2-hour protection but that was for fixed glazing and with some restrictions. Is this door part of a fire rated assembly o

RE: Glazing Protection with standard spray

The door is part of the assembly but, I just found out this is the area where they were intending to Std Spray in lieu of WS. Jerry Van Kolken Millennium Fire Protection (760) 722-2722 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/

RE: Glazing Protection with standard spray

Not sure if this will help you in anyway, but what about section D.1.1.1.1 in NFPA 13. Mike Stossel SET [400dpiLogoCropped] 36 Barren Road East Stroudsburg, PA 18302 Office: 973-670-2627 m...@knssprinkler.com From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists

RE: Glazing Protection with standard spray

We have always addressed this under an alternative solution as the glazing and doors are normally in a rated assembly and as such an alternative solution was required by the architect and provided by a fire protection engineer or code consultant. We would have WS on the glazing and QR pendants

Re: Glazing Protection with standard spray

There was testing done by NRC that used standard sprinklers on windows that provided a rating but I don’t think they looked at doors.   In lieu of sticking your neck out and using an alternative solution, you may want to look at the FireLite products.  The alternative solution may work for you i

Re: threaded union fitting - follow up

I don’t know about water, but gas piping is not allowed to have unions hidden in a wall. From: Matt Grise Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:16 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: threaded union fitting - follow up Just to follow up with this – after reviewing with the

Re: threaded union fitting - follow up

My only personal experience working with unions was in a pulp mill, in a different century. There’s no such thing as hidden piping in a pulp mill. Do they sometimes leak as they get looser as they warm and cool? Best. Bruce Verhei > On Feb 13, 2018, at 21:43, Douglas Hicks wrote: > > I don’

Re: threaded union fitting - follow up

Makes sense Douglas. Matt: Mix - 1964 #8. Needles and Pins - The Searchers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rLqPtZUWJI&list=RD5rLqPtZUWJI Quoting Douglas Hicks : I don’t know about water, but gas piping is not allowed to have unions hidden in a wall. From: Matt Grise Sent: Tuesday, Februa

Re: threaded union fitting - follow up

Searchers, 1964. I’ll raise you one. Seekers, 1964, with pipes in lyrics. https://youtu.be/4mpJYIACehQ > On Feb 13, 2018, at 22:18, bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com wrote: > > Makes sense Douglas. > Matt: > Mix - 1964 #8. Needles and Pins - The Searchers: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rLqPtZUWJI&

Re: threaded union fitting - follow up

I was a nine year old with a transistor Bruce... imma go all in or fold-- give me a minute b.. Quoting Bruce Verhei : Searchers, 1964. I’ll raise you one. Seekers, 1964, with pipes in lyrics. https://youtu.be/4mpJYIACehQ On Feb 13, 2018, at 22:18, bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com wrote: Makes sens

Re: threaded union fitting - follow up

I started on Earth in 56. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2018, at 23:21, bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com wrote: > > I was a nine year old with a transistor Bruce... > imma go all in or fold-- give me a minute > b.. > > Quoting Bruce Verhei : > >> Searchers, 1964. I’ll raise you one. >> Seekers, 1964