[freenet-support] Re: start-problems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Quoting Steffen Schwientek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can?t connect to my freenet-core. If I point my browser to localhost:, i just get not found. Once you run the startup script, it will take a couple minutes (sic) for the node to start. Believe it or not, this longer startup means faster operation once it does get started. Perhaps minutes, but not hours. I started the freenet-daemon using the gentoo freenet startup script What command did you actually issue? /etc/init.d/freenet start. But that?s worse, because it hides the errors. I now trie the normal ./start-freenet.sh script, provided by the freenet-project. This fails with the following error: ed: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory head: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main Done The requested libc.so.6 library sits in /lib directory. Perhaps I need to recompile the libc directory. Steffen ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]
Stephen P. Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Wayne McDougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *think* that freenet.conf is set by default to assume as 256Kbits connection (based on a rule of thumb of setting limits to half bandwidth capacity). You would want to adjust: inputBandwidthLimit=1250 and outputBandwidthLimit=1250 Those suggested values are in bytes. You may want to adjust, but the default values would be too low. Thanks. The comments in the freenet.conf file say that inputBandwidthLimit and outputBandwidthLimit are in units of bytes per second, not bits per second - is that incorrect?. No, bytes per second is correct. Those figures are based on when you said you had a 200Mbit (sic). Sadly for you your connection seems to have dropped to 512Kb. :-) Sorry for taking you at your word. I'm used to envying other people's bandwidth... I had inputBandwidthLimit at 0 (no limit), and outputBandwidthLimit at 2, since I believe my cable output is limited at 512Kb(its)ps, corresponding to a theoretical maximum of 64KB(ytes)ps, and I wanted something left for other applications. There's room for increase there, so I'll try that. The mention in the comments that these were independent limits led me to infer that there was some some further overriding limit from which they were independent, but I'm going to revise my thinking to understand that they're simply independent of each other. There's lots of cool stuff with averaging limits, and immediate limits, and gradual adjustment. Together with incoming being not directly under control. It works very well for those of us with monthly bandwidth caps. It is my opinion that a node works [much!] better if it doesn't have the inputBandwidthLimit set at 0, but at a realistic value. That is based on month long tests but only on my own (128Kbit) node. From the little I can pick up as to how cooperative bandwidth limiting might work it makes sense to me theoretically as well. So if it was my node I'd have: inputBandwidthLimit=24000 outputBandwidthLimit=24000 (and if I was going away for a weekend or more I'd crank them both up to 48000 if no one else was using the bandwidth). I'm not highly motivated right now to update the Java environment. So far I haven't had observable environment errors. The security issues I'm aware of involve violations of the security sandbox - a moot point with freenet - and a JVM crash/Dos, which I'll deal with when I see crashes. If you're aware of something more serious, please tell. Nope. I'd agree with all your comments. What does FRED have to say for itself? http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm Wow, lots of pretty graphs . The numbers at the top of the report: Very pretty. They don't mean much to me so I go for the Classic look of Connections, and More Details if I'm browsing. Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 198 (132/66/200) Transfers active (Transmit/Receiving) 24 (13/11) Data waiting to be transferred1,285 Bytes Total amount of data transferred 4,483 MiB Perfect. That's exactly what I'd expect to see after say 2 days uptime? My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working beautifully. Double plus thank you! I can wait a couple weeks. I saw the claim that freenet could be competetive with bittorrent, and was worried that I'd botched something badly. I think I've been through about four of the FAQ pages, a couple of which have a subtextual hint that it may be quite a while before one's node is fully connected, but not much idea of the scale of quite a while. Setting expectations is important. Bittorrent rocks. But it will always max out my connection. Freenet easily outperformed Shareaza/Kazaa in my one test. BUT..a big BUT... this was a movie file that CofE mentioned (and linked to) in his flog as a file he downloaded as a test. I'm guessing there would be many people like me who also downloaded the file as a test. Which would mean that Freenet, if operating as designed, would replicate more and more of this data throughout the network (a reverse Slashdot effect). That would certainly be consistent with my observations. And just to expose my complete Freebieness (a freenet newbie and I've only recently picked up that term recently), I had always done my downloading through the built in FRED interface. Ok, nice for built in, but now I do all my (few) downloads through Fuqid. What a difference. Haven't looked at anything equivalent for Linux. My interest is websites that can never get slashdotted and can host large files while sharing the load, rather than file-sharing... ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health
On Sunday 11 July 2004 10:58 pm, David Masover wrote: | not sure my archives even go back that far, but the basis for | choosing Java should be obvious; platform independence and a | rich API that comes standard with the language. As a purely academic argument, Parrot and .NET both do those things now, and an API doesn't seem like it'd help that much with Freenet. It's not the interface that's broken. So in 1999 what should have been chosen? Neither Parrot nor .NET were even around. Parrot itself is another virtual machine, being used for Perl6. And .NET is currently Microsoft specific, the GNU implementation Mono still far enough behind to be considered a stable platform on Unix, or even Windows itself. -- Jay Oliveri GnuPG ID: 0x5AA5DD54 FCPTools Maintainer www.sf.net/users/joliveri ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 03:11:46AM -0700, Tracy R Reed wrote: On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 01:40:33PM -0400, Paul spake thusly: Not nessessarly. Freenet requires a lot of horsepower because of all the crypto required for even simple connections. Which is why we need to use native BigInt and FEC encoders to get something approaching reasonable performance. Fast as C++ my patootie. It depends what you're doing. Even the Java zealots admit this. Personally I see no reason why GCJ-compiled code (using GMP for BigInteger) shouldn't be reasonably fast. Of course Sun's BigInteger support is slow, they don't open source the code so they can't use libgmp! -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] starting probs
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:29:36AM +0200, Florian Streck wrote: On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 10:20:59PM +0100, Toad wrote: Ouch. I thought it just got dyndns to detect your IP on the other end? Unfortunately sometimes the providers put in some NAT boxes or a proxy that prevents this system from working properly. So there is, in most cases, the possibility to submit the IP that you are using. Yikes. Assuming you use a non-standard port for the update, there's little point in having a dyndns if you can't connect direct to dyndns, as your connections will get blocked anyway. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] starting probs
Anyway, how does the code work? Is it open source? Does it use UPP? Could we adapt it? On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:29:36AM +0200, Florian Streck wrote: On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 10:20:59PM +0100, Toad wrote: Ouch. I thought it just got dyndns to detect your IP on the other end? Unfortunately sometimes the providers put in some NAT boxes or a proxy that prevents this system from working properly. So there is, in most cases, the possibility to submit the IP that you are using. Florian -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] What are the scales for the histogram plots?
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:19:28AM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote: Toad wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 01:00:25PM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote: Specifically, the I am referring to the histograms that you can get from /servlet/nodestatus/. Also does the Y axis represent the entire key space? Counts of keys usually. Try the raw links... If that's the case, the bars in the histograms would grow indefinitely?? There seems to be a maximum, when reached, the bars stop growing. That might be explaining why we are seeing de-specialisation? Shouldn't we use ratios instead? No. Look again. The line that starts scale=. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 08:50:55AM +0200, Garb wrote: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:55:53 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I installed from Portage, and I was amazed at how well it handled the install. I especially liked the pre-made init script... Yes, it works really well. And the default Blackdown JAVA-install works right out of the box too, eliminating the need for messing aroud with SUN JRE. I've had Freenet running on several distros, but Gentoo is definitely the easiest one to work with. Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report... Kudos to the people who integrated Freenet into the Portage tree. Those guys did a very fine job. How did you know to change the paths to /var/freenet and so on? In the ebuild you can see where it wants everything to go Cat /usr/portage/net-p2p/freenet/freenet-0.5.2.1-r8.ebuild -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems
Toad wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 08:50:55AM +0200, Garb wrote: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:55:53 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I installed from Portage, and I was amazed at how well it handled the install. I especially liked the pre-made init script... Yes, it works really well. And the default Blackdown JAVA-install works right out of the box too, eliminating the need for messing aroud with SUN JRE. I've had Freenet running on several distros, but Gentoo is definitely the easiest one to work with. Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report... I had a few crashes and then switched to Sun's JDK. Other than that, Blackdown was fine :P Kudos to the people who integrated Freenet into the Portage tree. Those guys did a very fine job. How did you know to change the paths to /var/freenet and so on? In the ebuild you can see where it wants everything to go Cat /usr/portage/net-p2p/freenet/freenet-0.5.2.1-r8.ebuild ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Expectations
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 05:06:46AM -0400, Stephen P. Schaefer wrote: I started a freenet node four days ago, using the default freenet.conf settings, adjusted for being behind a firewall. A couple days later I increased the storage to 1G, which required restarting fred. A couple days after that I increased the storage to 30G, again restarting fred. I'm using the latest stable with Sun JDK 1.4.1 on RH8.0 and an approx. 200Mbitps cable modem. It's working, kindof. netstat -t -a shows lots of incoming connections to the public port. I'm disappointed that the latency on more that half my retrievals has been in hours; some requests are going into their second day. I don't get it. Why are people reporting this now? Why did we never hear about it before? Are you sure it isn't a browser issue? What do you mean by request latency? There is no way that a single request should take an hour. Do you mean it takes days of retries to get the content? That is more credible. If not, what's the CPU usage? I've had one retrieval succeed after 16 hours. Someone with similar trouble was asked whther they were getting RNFs and DNFs (route not found, data not found). I don't recall seeing an RNF. All my outstanding browser queries show Couldn't Retrieve Key. Network Error. Data not found (Freenet could not find the data) Retrying So you got a DNF. Okay. Almost all my retievals go into that state for a while before eventually succeeding Okay, so your requests are DNFing. And given virtually infinite retries, eventually the content is found. Right. The network just isn't working very well for you. Now, how long has your node been in existance? And do you have incoming connections? - of course, Mozilla usually gives up on images within a web page. Here's some lines from http://localhost:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/downloads: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//activelink.png Data Not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//yoyo.png Data Not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//faq.html Data Not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//faq.html Data Not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo// Data Not found Is this what I should expect? Will it get better over time as I become better connected? I'm seeing no inordinate load on my machine (Linux); top says the CPU stays between 80 and 90% idle. After two days, only 2G of the 30G I most recently allocated has been consumed. No, it's not what you should expect.. these should be findable on stable. And other sources say that stable is working reasonably well for them... -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:20:23PM +, Wayne McDougall wrote: Stephen P. Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I started a freenet node four days ago, using the default freenet.conf settings, adjusted for being behind a firewall. A couple days later I increased the storage to 1G, which required restarting fred. A couple days after that I increased the storage to 30G, again restarting fred. I'm using the latest stable with Sun JDK 1.4.1 on RH8.0 and an approx. 200Mbitps cable modem. I *think* that freenet.conf is set by default to assume as 256Kbits connection (based on a rule of thumb of setting limits to half bandwidth capacity). You would want to adjust: inputBandwidthLimit=1250 and outputBandwidthLimit=1250 LOL. There is no way he has a 200 megabit cable modem. Such things don't exist... Those suggested values are in bytes. You may want to adjust, but the default values would be too low. I'm no expert, but I'd strongly urge you to consider the 1.4.2 Java release: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html Get 1.4.2-05 if you do. 04 had some serious problems.. It's working, kindof. netstat -t -a shows lots of incoming connections to the public port. What does FRED have to say for itself? http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm Have you got active transmitting inbound and outbound connections? I'm disappointed that the latency on more that half my retrievals has been in hours; some requests are going into their second day. I've had one retrieval succeed after 16 hours. Someone [SNIP] [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo// Data Not found Is this what I should expect? Will it get better over time as I become better connected? No it's not what you should expect, and yes it will get better. My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working beautifully. You may do better than that with better bandwidth and the improved Freenet versions. But I'd wait at least that long to see how good things might be. NINE DAYS?! Yikes. I'm seeing no inordinate load on my machine (Linux); top says the CPU stays between 80 and 90% idle. After two days, only 2G of the 30G I most recently allocated has been consumed. Only 2 Gb would be filled over two days at the default bandwidth rate of 12 000 (versus my suggestion of 12 500 000)! -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME
HI, I got a problem with freenet . I am sure I configured freenet correctly and forwarded the right ports I although createt an dyndns.org account only for freenet To get the node running well (ip in dydns.org database is up to date) ! But when I try to open a site I got the message . Sure connected to the Internet.. or . Route not Found .. . And know I got this Error Message !! Error: Route Not Found Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes. 0 were totally unreachable. 0 restarted. 0 cleanly rejected. There is NO Node Only if I increase the Hops to live there is one Node which has cleanly rejected my attempt ! The Network load is although very bad if I load a new Reference I got 42 % but after running the node for a while it is only 20 % then 15 %. What can I DO ?? Whats going on can anybody help me please ??? THX CYA ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] How much download?
Hi, I have got a fair use DSL account with limited download volume. How much download traffic will a permanent freenet node approximately cause? ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] What are distribution servlets used for?
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote: Florian Streck wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 01:30:57PM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote: Saw the port 8891 in freenet.conf only today What are distribution servlets used for? My nodes seems to be running ok with this port firewalled. As it seems it is used for the Distribution Pages (click on the link Spread Freenet in the Web-Interface). This spreads a freenet-zip with your personal seednodes. So not all people start with the same seednodes. This should make the net better connected I think. I have activated the distribution port and the allowHosts is the default, i.e. everyone. However, when I clicked Spread Freenet I got a blank page with only one line that says: Error. Any ideas? Normally that means that you tried to admin it from another machine when you haven't created any pages yet. You have to create distribution servlet pages from localhost; then once you have created them you can access them from anywhere, with the right URL, which it will provide. The idea here is that only somebody you've invited can see your dist servlet. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME
Dynamo wrote: HI, I got a problem with freenet . I am sure I configured freenet correctly and forwarded the right ports I although createt an dyndns.org account only for freenet To get the node running well (ip in dydns.org database is up to date) ! But when I try to open a site I got the message . Sure connected to the Internet.. or . Route not Found .. . And know I got this Error Message !! Error: Route Not Found Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes. 0 were totally unreachable. 0 restarted. 0 cleanly rejected. There is NO Node Only if I increase the Hops to live there is one Node which has cleanly rejected my attempt ! The Network load is although very bad if I load a new Reference I got 42 % but after running the node for a while it is only 20 % then 15 %. What can I DO ?? Whats going on can anybody help me please ??? THX CYA Wait, and be patient. It takes 2-3 _days_ before your node learns enough about the network to work OK. The longer your node's online, the better it will run, ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] How much download?
Joachim Scharfetter wrote: Hi, I have got a fair use DSL account with limited download volume. How much download traffic will a permanent freenet node approximately cause? As much as your bandwidth allows. On a capped 256/128 connection Freenet managed to use 1.5GB in a day. Now I have a 10GB cap, not good. Anyway, that's the sort of transfer you can expect - lower your averageBandwidthLimit to keep things sane. If it was possible to change these limits on the fly it'd be nice. There's a suggestion for you Toad ;) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:10:01AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote: There's lots of cool stuff with averaging limits, and immediate limits, and gradual adjustment. Together with incoming being not directly under control. It works very well for those of us with monthly bandwidth caps. It does?! I thought the average limiter didn't work... It is my opinion that a node works [much!] better if it doesn't have the inputBandwidthLimit set at 0, but at a realistic value. That is based on month long tests but only on my own (128Kbit) node. From the little I can pick up as to how cooperative bandwidth limiting might work it makes sense to me theoretically as well. Hmmm, that sounds rather strange, as I'm pretty sure the input limiter doesn't work... and ANY limiting will increase latencies significantly. Limiting output will normally have a knock-on effect on input, unless you are downloading lots of files locally... of course if you limit input to the same as output, you won't give away that fact so easily :). So if it was my node I'd have: inputBandwidthLimit=24000 outputBandwidthLimit=24000 (and if I was going away for a weekend or more I'd crank them both up to 48000 if no one else was using the bandwidth). I'm not highly motivated right now to update the Java environment. So far I haven't had observable environment errors. The security issues I'm aware of involve violations of the security sandbox - a moot point with freenet - and a JVM crash/Dos, which I'll deal with when I see crashes. If you're aware of something more serious, please tell. Nope. I'd agree with all your comments. What does FRED have to say for itself? http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm Wow, lots of pretty graphs . The numbers at the top of the report: Very pretty. They don't mean much to me so I go for the Classic look of Connections, and More Details if I'm browsing. Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 198 (132/66/200) Transfers active (Transmit/Receiving) 24 (13/11) Data waiting to be transferred1,285 Bytes Total amount of data transferred 4,483 MiB Perfect. That's exactly what I'd expect to see after say 2 days uptime? Yup. My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working beautifully. Double plus thank you! I can wait a couple weeks. I saw the claim that freenet could be competetive with bittorrent, and was worried that I'd botched something It can be, for large popular files. Once they get started. If you use enough threads. OTOH, for smaller files, e.g. fproxy, latency is generally quite high. badly. I think I've been through about four of the FAQ pages, a couple of which have a subtextual hint that it may be quite a while before one's node is fully connected, but not much idea of the scale of quite a while. Setting expectations is important. Nine days is ridiculous. We must do something about it. :( Bittorrent rocks. But it will always max out my connection. Freenet easily outperformed Shareaza/Kazaa in my one test. BUT..a big BUT... this was a movie file that CofE mentioned (and linked to) in his flog as a file he downloaded as a test. I'm guessing there would be many people like me who also downloaded the file as a test. Which would mean that Freenet, if operating as designed, would replicate more and more of this data throughout the network (a reverse Slashdot effect). That would certainly be consistent with my observations. And just to expose my complete Freebieness (a freenet newbie and I've only recently picked up that term recently), I had always done my downloading through the built in FRED interface. Ok, nice for built in, but now I do all my (few) downloads through Fuqid. What a difference. Haven't looked at anything equivalent for Linux. Okay, what's the main advantage? Maybe we can improve the fproxy interface? My interest is websites that can never get slashdotted and can host large files while sharing the load, rather than file-sharing... Yeah, that would be cool, if it really worked, and if we had enough hosts to be able to worry about such things! -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:27:35AM +0200, Dynamo wrote: HI, I got a problem with freenet . I am sure I configured freenet correctly and forwarded the right ports I although createt an dyndns.org account only for freenet Do you have incoming connections on http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm ? If so, that's a good sign that things are reasonably well set up. In any case, please show me the top few lines. Mine says, at the moment: Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 63 (36/27/200) Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 14 (5/9) Data waiting to be transferred 869 Bytes Total amount of data transferred430 MiB To get the node running well (ip in dydns.org database is up to date) ! But when I try to open a site I got the message .. Sure connected to the Internet.. or .. Route not Found .. . And know I got this Error Message !! Generally not a good sign :(. Show me the above, and the top 10 lines of http://127.0.0.1:7888/servlet/nodestatus/nodestatus.html . Mine says: Number of known routing nodes 399 Number of node references 389 Number of newbie nodes 14 Number of uncontactable nodes 20 Contacted and attempted to contact node references 388 Contacted node references 63 Contacted newbie node references14 Connections with Successful Transfers 46 Backed off nodes29 Error: Route Not Found Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes. 0 were totally unreachable. 0 restarted. 0 cleanly rejected. : There is NO Node Only if I increase the Hops to live there is one Node which has cleanly rejected my attempt ! Increasing the HTL is pretty irrelevant on RNFs with 0/0/0... The Network load is although very bad if I load a new Reference I got 42 % but after running the node for a while it is only 20 % then 15 %. It should be about 100%, but it doesn't matter THAT much... What can I DO ?? Whats going on can anybody help me please ??? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] How much download?
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 10:21:17AM +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote: Joachim Scharfetter wrote: Hi, I have got a fair use DSL account with limited download volume. How much download traffic will a permanent freenet node approximately cause? As much as your bandwidth allows. On a capped 256/128 connection Freenet managed to use 1.5GB in a day. Now I have a 10GB cap, not good. Anyway, that's the sort of transfer you can expect - lower your averageBandwidthLimit to keep things sane. I'm amazed that the above still works... If it was possible to change these limits on the fly it'd be nice. There's a suggestion for you Toad ;) Changing bandwidth limits on the fly may be quite difficult, but we'll get around to it eventually.. :) -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List Protocol was Re: [freenet-support] PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME
Toad wrote: Please CC the original poster if at all possible in future. Mostly they aren't subscribers. Thanks. Sorry, different email client to the one I normally use. Serves me right for posting to the list at work :P Anyway, noted, I'll remember hopefully. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: How much download?
Joachim Scharfetter schrieb: Hi, I have got a fair use DSL account with limited download volume. How much download traffic will a permanent freenet node approximately cause? Depends on the personal use. In an idle-state (when I'm not browsing freesites or downloading splitfiles) my stable node generates about 2GB traffic within 24 hours on my 768/128 DSL line (the nodes upstream is limited to 8kbyte/sec). As I can download freshly inserted splitfiles at a maximum rate of about 80kbyte/sec the traffic can increase quite a bit when I actually use my node. If you really wan't to limit the nodes traffic you will be better of to do it system side, as the nodes limiter isn't that accurate and may lead to some nasty surprises on the next provider bill. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:07:00PM +0100, Toad wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 08:50:55AM +0200, Garb wrote: Yes, it works really well. And the default Blackdown JAVA-install works right out of the box too, eliminating the need for messing aroud with SUN JRE. I've had Freenet running on several distros, but Gentoo is definitely the easiest one to work with. Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report... This was not perhaps my report? I had serious trouble some time ago (using blackdown on linux ...). But it turned out that there was a change in the way the freenet.conf file was interpreted. Took me some time to realize that the old OutputBandwidthLimit was in kByte and the new one in Bytes. And an OutputBandwidthLimit of 4 Bates is just to slow for every node ;-) Florian -- Serfs up! -- Spartacus pgpjvIa2rgrZv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] starting probs
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:03:22PM +0100, Toad wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:29:36AM +0200, Florian Streck wrote: On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 10:20:59PM +0100, Toad wrote: Ouch. I thought it just got dyndns to detect your IP on the other end? Unfortunately sometimes the providers put in some NAT boxes or a proxy that prevents this system from working properly. So there is, in most cases, the possibility to submit the IP that you are using. Yikes. Assuming you use a non-standard port for the update, there's little point in having a dyndns if you can't connect direct to dyndns, as your connections will get blocked anyway. This was ages ago. The service that I used then had a update-mechanism using http. Unfortunately I just realized that there was a problem when I was on vacation for a few weeks and had no way of finding my Computer with all my mails :-( Ok, geek-trouble not beeing able to read mail in vacation ;-) Florian -- Serfs up! -- Spartacus pgphVaxIYsAhf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems
When was outputBandwidthLimit EVER in kilobytes/sec? Maybe the Windows configurator used kB/sec... On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 01:46:29AM +0200, Florian Streck wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:07:00PM +0100, Toad wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 08:50:55AM +0200, Garb wrote: Yes, it works really well. And the default Blackdown JAVA-install works right out of the box too, eliminating the need for messing aroud with SUN JRE. I've had Freenet running on several distros, but Gentoo is definitely the easiest one to work with. Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report... This was not perhaps my report? I had serious trouble some time ago (using blackdown on linux ...). But it turned out that there was a change in the way the freenet.conf file was interpreted. Took me some time to realize that the old OutputBandwidthLimit was in kByte and the new one in Bytes. And an OutputBandwidthLimit of 4 Bates is just to slow for every node ;-) Florian -- Serfs up! -- Spartacus ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] The hang on lost Internet
Todd, now that you're back with us: Obviously going into the 100% state after loosing a connection does nothing beneficial for the network. If I kill my note each evening in anticipation of the death and then reactivate it when I regain rationality the next day will this on-n-off activity of my node be of any value either to itself or to the network? Recall, I have dial up which is not great, but that I was getting integration until about two weeks ago, is running of any benefit at all? Thanks. Nick ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:10:01AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote: There's lots of cool stuff with averaging limits, and immediate limits, and gradual adjustment. Together with incoming being not directly under control. It works very well for those of us with monthly bandwidth caps. It does?! I thought the average limiter didn't work... Ahh yes, well that's probably why we get questions like the original point. I read voraciously, try to make sense of it all, and couple it with my observations. But it's hard to get a definite answer or know if I'm just observing noise If you'd like me to do some comprehensive *tests* please feel free to ask. But I'd gather that there are other priorities. My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working beautifully. Nine days is ridiculous. We must do something about it. :( It may well be better now, especially with these latest stable releases which seem much improved, thank you Toad. Again, just holler if you ever want some testing done. Okay, what's the main advantage? Maybe we can improve the fproxy interface? Since you ask: fproxy will timeout and then I have to start again. And then it won't even grab the parts it previously downloaded successfully :-( So over a period of weeks my perception is that I eventually move all the requisite parts into my local stored, and then fproxy will download it instantly :-) I certainly don't expect fproxy to be modified but perhaps one easy change would be an outer loop so it just circles back and tries again. It's probably just my low bandwidth, but I find that I will request something (and this includes web pages) and it's not there, and then 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 1 hour, 8 hours later it's there. My assumption has always been that my requests go out in an ever widening circle off to where the data I want may be found, but my request timesout before it gets back to me. Eventually (by dint of persistent requests) it is lodged in local stores that I can reach before timing out. My interest is websites that can never get slashdotted and can host large files while sharing the load, rather than file-sharing... Yeah, that would be cool, if it really worked, and if we had enough hosts to be able to worry about such things! Ahh, well I'm here for the long haulnot that I'm any use. :-( I am a big fan of the privacy elements also. So be encouraged. You're not just creating an anonymous slow file-sharer. You know and I know that Freenet is being used for good purposes now and I can see lots of potential for the future. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] How much download?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Toad wrote: | Changing bandwidth limits on the fly may be quite difficult, but we'll get | around to it eventually.. :) Really? Would it be feasable to do an Apache-style graceful restart? ~ (Since files that are really too big should have a splitfile anyway, it wouldn't take too long for the restart to finish.) Also, bandwidth limitation can be done elsewhere (the kernel, a piece of hardware), so maybe we already can change it on the fly on certain architectures... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQPNKSXgHNmZLgCUhAQI/EA//SruFEYu+UbykVAkF5MIS3TT8vKinjJVG CCskkdeMbSNPg9I16OHSxagJpJVYwyt5eMmw3OuWByiUrfYdRGsbfG8OllRkR8BM 3ZDXV47vb/mioGCYRpzo14f9APwKM7/X04+aWAzW0FF5z198gS1AhZT7VpBLBSa6 dJJaPlciWcKP19hK1nbBTQ6iErO9rhTI79F2g/2y5H7iCbofIoZxa0a/oJBwle6h 4b5LDsV9/Uaphq6g2gNYNqY9FQNyFglYtqAmOk/okhMBaD+00hoiXWXTdy4uQs+E w484xtbPzr2y/E0nkrOloF4ghlrt2KSdqld4rmZTDpyOxJ1wYWbri/KTfZ0Cg7OZ UB8WxJRPouTGQ0STVkg8dXJbgaLuLOnYAg+9qlY4D0VUgYwA0lADaK/+mqZcgt0P 6obuI2DodnRpS25v2EcgM/1Btp0Wi0GIEa5rHSe3Ezz7yU6GJNYkyxl9Zj/mFQNT p/RQUVrCJWt8l/pRnfOeHw036H6agzFmAt8/26luTBcAU6s+vGucj5cFdoq4nezt AW1CaopvswUHP2oGT6W8H+WJN9KA5i9XUlln/V/t76ABt22E7bgwc5wEq68TBCPw cRHoS+cGHxUVrJoxBEGPHHxOA3yvHPRcJjnAg9RLqknzuNXmQOP0r9MCGAEktz6s nFGnNXEwMyw= =etVS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Toad wrote: | Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report... Unless it's causing my slowness, blackdown works fine for me. I'd rather be using Kaffe, but I've had issues making that work on Gentoo. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQPNK9HgHNmZLgCUhAQIkdA//b7+KIj/NRy/Yxw+qfaXm5QPloml40RP3 hvcioB86g5cjShysbsXGDIJtA2wYVGiKUiw0CtCBOt3mOM/53vmxbfn6Ti4yktpu 9ChF3YEUoKPpkershJvbSDrdm3rC5GgBUSs7zuGzjbmCCJz25PYE7SadNL9k6klX CyNTkeJawI5RwcFWPeQH0iDevwVDwFl02NAzbf4pUkA8dXMXSmPRTW1lrPFcdjmL 0e6ZF+UJN/ooMjh+XjnaouKhsdmKXqzONf9tWDEU99hhdFMq+NfJdjvLus7pQ7N9 nmSWBs+QeM2UoW3zuL7yg3FyN/6K1ijyD5EeGQW8CoPAdPZntLjRW+rZwI87nZvy HqobquMKpCGnj8tP+vfRg+1pSjAC6xqs5uO0vHHiw+cX/lxK6c/Gjbyn+u6XcHiG CHqn/C0RKUPS2t14nKOu3MVGZv08gs9M5bp4pTGwaj3wSlgcj9BM0jyNf/OtvU9m S/8uDvXNlNJkzW4ClBVrWkSQ7xlbo64NsGb6CIbH6SWVOmdSr08/QiGuyLvIKMMT 3+7g275CZd3c0X55e+Uc0eMP1CWztP3I/CuCLCHUYHPx8pyVQIIzMrlHJ8QH5knL xmU0taGWUwSg2ob7YGSrJt84xEpzvznFOjrSVN/yeZs3bZszAJGj2pAKT/eCyTw/ +dprIWRzZeE= =AAvy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
