[freenet-support] Re: start-problems

2004-07-12 Thread Steffen Schwientek
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 Quoting Steffen Schwientek [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 I can?t connect to my freenet-core. If I point my browser to
 localhost:, i just get not found.
 
 Once you run the startup script, it will take a couple minutes (sic) for
 the
 node to start.  Believe it or not, this longer startup means faster
 operation once it does get started.

Perhaps minutes, but not hours.
 
 I started the freenet-daemon using the gentoo freenet startup script
 
 What command did you actually issue?

/etc/init.d/freenet start. But that?s worse, because it hides the errors.
I now trie the normal ./start-freenet.sh script, provided by the
freenet-project.

This fails with the following error:
ed: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory
head: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory
grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory
grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory
grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory
Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m
-XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main
Done


The requested libc.so.6 library sits in /lib directory. Perhaps I need to
recompile the libc directory.

Steffen

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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]

2004-07-12 Thread Wayne McDougall
Stephen P. Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From: Wayne McDougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I *think* that freenet.conf is set by default to assume as 256Kbits 
connection
   (based on a rule of thumb of setting limits to half bandwidth capacity).
  
   You would want to adjust:
  
   inputBandwidthLimit=1250
   and
   outputBandwidthLimit=1250
  
   Those suggested values are in bytes. You may want to adjust, but the 
default
   values would be too low.
  
 Thanks.  The comments in the freenet.conf file say that inputBandwidthLimit 
and
 outputBandwidthLimit are in units of bytes per second, not bits per second - 
is
 that incorrect?.

No, bytes per second is correct. Those figures are based on when you said
you had a 200Mbit (sic). Sadly for you your connection seems to have dropped
to 512Kb. :-) Sorry for taking you at your word. I'm used to envying other
people's bandwidth...

  I had inputBandwidthLimit at 0 (no limit), and
 outputBandwidthLimit at 2, since I believe my cable output is limited at
 512Kb(its)ps, corresponding to a theoretical maximum of 64KB(ytes)ps, and I
 wanted something left for other applications.  There's room for increase 
there,
 so I'll try that.  The mention in the comments that these were independent 
limits
 led me to infer that there was some some further overriding limit from which 
they were
 independent, but I'm going to revise my thinking to understand that they're 
simply
 independent of each other.

There's lots of cool stuff with averaging limits, and immediate limits,
and gradual adjustment. Together with incoming being not directly under
control. It works very well for those of us with monthly bandwidth caps.

It is my opinion that a node works [much!] better if it doesn't have the 
inputBandwidthLimit set at 0, but at a realistic value. That is based on
month long tests but only on my own (128Kbit) node. From the little I can
pick up as to how cooperative bandwidth limiting might work it makes sense
to me theoretically as well.

So if it was my node I'd have:
inputBandwidthLimit=24000
outputBandwidthLimit=24000

(and if I was going away for a weekend or more I'd crank them both up to
48000 if no one else was using the bandwidth).

 I'm not highly motivated right now to update the Java environment.   So far 
I haven't
 had observable environment errors.  The security issues I'm aware of involve
 violations of the security sandbox - a moot point with freenet - and a JVM 
crash/Dos,
 which I'll deal with when I see crashes.  If you're aware of something more 
serious,
 please tell.

Nope. I'd agree with all your comments. 

   What does FRED have to say for itself?
  
   http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm
 
 Wow, lots of pretty graphs .  The numbers at the top of the report:

Very pretty. They don't mean much to me so I go for the Classic look
of Connections, and More Details if I'm browsing.

 Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 198 (132/66/200)
 Transfers active (Transmit/Receiving) 24 (13/11)
 Data waiting to be transferred1,285 Bytes
 Total amount of data transferred  4,483 MiB

Perfect. That's exactly what I'd expect to see after say 2 days uptime?

   My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to
   become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working
   beautifully.
 
 Double plus thank you!  I can wait a couple weeks.  I saw the claim that 
freenet
 could be competetive with bittorrent, and was worried that I'd botched 
something
 badly.  I think I've been through about four of the FAQ pages, a couple of 
which
 have a subtextual hint that it may be quite a while before one's node is 
fully
 connected, but not much idea of the scale of quite a while.  Setting 
expectations
 is important.

Bittorrent rocks. But it will always max out my connection.
Freenet easily outperformed Shareaza/Kazaa in my one test. BUT..a big BUT...
this was a movie file that CofE mentioned (and linked to) in his flog as
a file he downloaded as a test. I'm guessing there would be many people
like me who also downloaded the file as a test. Which would mean that Freenet,
if operating as designed, would replicate more and more of this data
throughout the network (a reverse Slashdot effect). That would certainly be
consistent with my observations.

And just to expose my complete Freebieness (a freenet newbie and I've only
recently picked up that term recently), I had always done my downloading
through the built in FRED interface. Ok, nice for built in, but now I do all
my (few) downloads through Fuqid. What a difference. Haven't looked at
anything equivalent for Linux.

My interest is websites that can never get slashdotted and can host large
files while sharing the load, rather than file-sharing...


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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health

2004-07-12 Thread Jay Oliveri
On Sunday 11 July 2004 10:58 pm, David Masover wrote:
 | not sure my archives even go back that far, but the basis for
 | choosing Java should be obvious; platform independence and a
 | rich API that comes standard with the language.

 As a purely academic argument, Parrot and .NET both do those things now,
 and an API doesn't seem like it'd help that much with Freenet.  It's not
 the interface that's broken.

So in 1999 what should have been chosen?  Neither Parrot nor .NET were even 
around.  Parrot itself is another virtual machine, being used for Perl6.  
And .NET is currently Microsoft specific, the GNU implementation Mono still 
far enough behind to be considered a stable platform on Unix, or even 
Windows itself.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 03:11:46AM -0700, Tracy R Reed wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 01:40:33PM -0400, Paul spake thusly:
  Not nessessarly. Freenet requires a lot of horsepower because of all
  the crypto required for even simple connections.
 
 Which is why we need to use native BigInt and FEC encoders to get
 something approaching reasonable performance. Fast as C++ my patootie.

It depends what you're doing. Even the Java zealots admit this.
Personally I see no reason why GCJ-compiled code (using GMP for
BigInteger) shouldn't be reasonably fast. Of course Sun's BigInteger
support is slow, they don't open source the code so they can't use
libgmp!
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Re: [freenet-support] starting probs

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:29:36AM +0200, Florian Streck wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 10:20:59PM +0100, Toad wrote:
  Ouch. I thought it just got dyndns to detect your IP on the other end?
 
 Unfortunately sometimes the providers put in some NAT boxes or a proxy
 that prevents this system from working properly. So there is, in most
 cases, the possibility to submit the IP that you are using.

Yikes. Assuming you use a non-standard port for the update, there's
little point in having a dyndns if you can't connect direct to dyndns,
as your connections will get blocked anyway.
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Re: [freenet-support] starting probs

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
Anyway, how does the code work? Is it open source? Does it use UPP?
Could we adapt it?

On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:29:36AM +0200, Florian Streck wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 10:20:59PM +0100, Toad wrote:
  Ouch. I thought it just got dyndns to detect your IP on the other end?
 
 Unfortunately sometimes the providers put in some NAT boxes or a proxy
 that prevents this system from working properly. So there is, in most
 cases, the possibility to submit the IP that you are using.
 
 Florian
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Re: [freenet-support] What are the scales for the histogram plots?

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:19:28AM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote:
 Toad wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 01:00:25PM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote:
 
 Specifically, the I am referring to the histograms that you can get from
 /servlet/nodestatus/. Also does the Y axis represent the entire key space?
 
 
 Counts of keys usually. Try the raw links...
 
 
 If that's the case, the bars in the histograms would grow indefinitely?? 
 There seems to be a maximum, when reached, the bars stop growing. That 
 might be explaining why we are seeing de-specialisation? Shouldn't we 
 use ratios instead?

No. Look again. The line that starts scale=.
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Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 08:50:55AM +0200, Garb wrote:
 
  Date: Thu,  8 Jul 2004 15:55:53 -0400
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
  I installed from Portage, and I was
  amazed at how well it handled the install.
  I especially liked the pre-made init script...
 
 Yes, it works really well. And the default Blackdown JAVA-install works
 right out of the box too, eliminating the need for messing aroud with SUN
 JRE. I've had Freenet running on several distros, but Gentoo is definitely
 the easiest one to work with.

Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report...
 
 Kudos to the people who integrated Freenet into the Portage tree. Those guys
 did a very fine job.
 
 
 
  How did you know to change the paths to /var/freenet and so on?
 
 In the ebuild you can see where it wants everything to go
 Cat /usr/portage/net-p2p/freenet/freenet-0.5.2.1-r8.ebuild
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Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems

2004-07-12 Thread Phillip Hutchings
Toad wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 08:50:55AM +0200, Garb wrote:
 

Date: Thu,  8 Jul 2004 15:55:53 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 

I installed from Portage, and I was
amazed at how well it handled the install.
I especially liked the pre-made init script...
 

Yes, it works really well. And the default Blackdown JAVA-install works
right out of the box too, eliminating the need for messing aroud with SUN
JRE. I've had Freenet running on several distros, but Gentoo is definitely
the easiest one to work with.
   

Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report...
 

I had a few crashes and then switched to Sun's JDK. Other than that, 
Blackdown was fine :P

Kudos to the people who integrated Freenet into the Portage tree. Those guys
did a very fine job.

   

How did you know to change the paths to /var/freenet and so on?
 

In the ebuild you can see where it wants everything to go
Cat /usr/portage/net-p2p/freenet/freenet-0.5.2.1-r8.ebuild
   

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Expectations

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 05:06:46AM -0400, Stephen P. Schaefer wrote:
 I started a freenet node four days ago, using the default freenet.conf 
 settings, adjusted for being behind a firewall.  A couple days later I 
 increased the storage to 1G, which required restarting fred.  A couple 
 days after that I increased the storage to 30G, again restarting fred. 
 I'm using the latest stable with Sun JDK 1.4.1 on RH8.0 and an approx. 
 200Mbitps cable modem.
 
 It's working, kindof.  netstat -t -a shows lots of incoming connections 
 to the public port.  I'm disappointed that the latency on more that half 
 my retrievals has been in hours; some requests are going into their 
 second day.  

I don't get it. Why are people reporting this now? Why did we never hear
about it before? Are you sure it isn't a browser issue? What do you mean
by request latency? There is no way that a single request should take an
hour. Do you mean it takes days of retries to get the content? That is
more credible. If not, what's the CPU usage?

 I've had one retrieval succeed after 16 hours.  Someone 
 with similar trouble was asked whther they were getting RNFs and DNFs 
 (route not found, data not found).  I don't recall seeing an RNF.  All 
 my outstanding browser queries show Couldn't Retrieve Key.  Network 
 Error.  Data not found (Freenet could not find the data) Retrying 

So you got a DNF. Okay.

   Almost all my retievals go into that state for a while before 
 eventually succeeding 

Okay, so your requests are DNFing. And given virtually infinite retries,
eventually the content is found. Right. The network just isn't working
very well for you. Now, how long has your node been in existance? And do
you have incoming connections?

 - of course, Mozilla usually gives up on images 
 within a web page.  Here's some lines from 
 http://localhost:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/downloads:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//activelink.png
 Data Not found
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//yoyo.png
 Data Not found
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//faq.html
 Data Not found
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//faq.html
 Data Not found
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//
 Data Not found
 
 Is this what I should expect?  Will it get better over time as I become 
 better connected?  I'm seeing no inordinate load on my machine (Linux); 
 top says the CPU stays between 80 and 90% idle.  After two days, only 2G 
 of the 30G I most recently allocated has been consumed.

No, it's not what you should expect.. these should be findable on
stable. And other sources say that stable is working reasonably well
for them...
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:20:23PM +, Wayne McDougall wrote:
 Stephen P. Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I started a freenet node four days ago, using the default freenet.conf 
  settings, adjusted for being behind a firewall.  A couple days later I 
  increased the storage to 1G, which required restarting fred.  A couple 
  days after that I increased the storage to 30G, again restarting fred. 
  I'm using the latest stable with Sun JDK 1.4.1 on RH8.0 and an approx. 
  200Mbitps cable modem.
 
 I *think* that freenet.conf is set by default to assume as 256Kbits connection
 (based on a rule of thumb of setting limits to half bandwidth capacity).
 
 You would want to adjust:
 
 inputBandwidthLimit=1250
 and
 outputBandwidthLimit=1250

LOL. There is no way he has a 200 megabit cable modem. Such things don't
exist...
 
 Those suggested values are in bytes. You may want to adjust, but the default
 values would be too low.
 
 I'm no expert, but I'd strongly urge you to consider the 1.4.2 Java release:
 http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html

Get 1.4.2-05 if you do. 04 had some serious problems..
 
  It's working, kindof.  netstat -t -a shows lots of incoming connections 
  to the public port.  
 
 What does FRED have to say for itself?
 
 http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm
 
 Have you got active transmitting inbound and outbound connections?
 
  I'm disappointed that the latency on more that half 
  my retrievals has been in hours; some requests are going into their 
  second day.  I've had one retrieval succeed after 16 hours.  Someone 
 [SNIP]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]/YoYo//
  Data Not found
  
  Is this what I should expect?  Will it get better over time as I become 
  better connected?  
 
 No it's not what you should expect, and yes it will get better.
 My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to
 become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working
 beautifully. You may do better than that with better bandwidth and the
 improved Freenet versions. But I'd wait at least that long to see how good
 things might be.

NINE DAYS?! Yikes.
 
  I'm seeing no inordinate load on my machine (Linux); 
  top says the CPU stays between 80 and 90% idle.  After two days, only 2G 
  of the 30G I most recently allocated has been consumed.
 
 Only 2 Gb would be filled over two days at the default bandwidth rate of 
 12 000 (versus my suggestion of 12 500 000)!
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[freenet-support] PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME

2004-07-12 Thread Dynamo








HI,

I got a problem with freenet . I am sure I configured
freenet correctly and forwarded the right ports I although createt an
dyndns.org account only for freenet

To get the node running well (ip in dydns.org
database is up to date) ! But when I try to open a site I got the message .
Sure connected to the Internet.. or . Route not Found ..
. And know I got this Error Message !! 



Error: Route Not Found



Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes.

0 were totally unreachable.

0 restarted.

0 cleanly rejected.



There is NO Node 

Only if I increase the Hops to live there is one Node
which has cleanly rejected my attempt !

The Network load is although very bad if I load a new
Reference I got 42 % but after running the node for a while it is only 20 %
then 15 %.

What can I DO ?? 

Whats going on can anybody help me please ???





THX CYA 






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[freenet-support] How much download?

2004-07-12 Thread Joachim Scharfetter
Hi, I have got a fair use DSL account with limited download volume.
How much download traffic will a permanent freenet node approximately
cause?

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Re: [freenet-support] What are distribution servlets used for?

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote:
 Florian Streck wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 01:30:57PM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote:
 
 Saw the port 8891 in freenet.conf only today What are distribution 
 servlets used for? My nodes seems to be running ok with this port 
 firewalled.
 
 
 As it seems it is used for the Distribution Pages (click on the link
 Spread Freenet in the Web-Interface). This spreads a freenet-zip with
 your personal seednodes. So not all people start with the same
 seednodes. This should make the net better connected I think.
 
 I have activated the distribution port and the allowHosts is the 
 default, i.e. everyone. However, when I clicked Spread Freenet I got a 
 blank page with only one line that says: Error. Any ideas?

Normally that means that you tried to admin it from another machine when
you haven't created any pages yet. You have to create distribution
servlet pages from localhost; then once you have created them you can
access them from anywhere, with the right URL, which it will provide.
The idea here is that only somebody you've invited can see your dist
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Re: [freenet-support] PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME

2004-07-12 Thread Phillip Hutchings
Dynamo wrote:
HI,
I got a problem with freenet . I am sure I configured freenet 
correctly and forwarded the right ports I although createt an 
dyndns.org account only for freenet

To get the node running well (ip in dydns.org database is up to date) 
! But when I try to open a site I got the message . Sure 
connected to the Internet.. or . Route not Found .. . And know I 
got this Error Message !!

Error: Route Not Found
Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes.
0 were totally unreachable.
0 restarted.
0 cleanly rejected.
There is NO Node 
Only if I increase the Hops to live there is one Node which has 
cleanly rejected my attempt !

The Network load is although very bad if I load a new Reference I got 
42 % but after running the node for a while it is only 20 % then 15 %.

What can I DO ??
Whats going on can anybody help me please ???
THX CYA
Wait, and be patient. It takes 2-3 _days_ before your node learns enough 
about the network to work OK. The longer your node's online, the better 
it will run,
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Re: [freenet-support] How much download?

2004-07-12 Thread Phillip Hutchings
Joachim Scharfetter wrote:
Hi, I have got a fair use DSL account with limited download volume.
How much download traffic will a permanent freenet node approximately
cause?
As much as your bandwidth allows. On a capped 256/128 connection Freenet 
managed to use 1.5GB in a day. Now I have a 10GB cap, not good. Anyway, 
that's the sort of transfer you can expect - lower your 
averageBandwidthLimit to keep things sane.

If it was possible to change these limits on the fly it'd be nice. 
There's a suggestion for you Toad ;)
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:10:01AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote:
 There's lots of cool stuff with averaging limits, and immediate limits,
 and gradual adjustment. Together with incoming being not directly under
 control. It works very well for those of us with monthly bandwidth caps.

It does?! I thought the average limiter didn't work...
 
 It is my opinion that a node works [much!] better if it doesn't have the 
 inputBandwidthLimit set at 0, but at a realistic value. That is based on
 month long tests but only on my own (128Kbit) node. From the little I can
 pick up as to how cooperative bandwidth limiting might work it makes sense
 to me theoretically as well.

Hmmm, that sounds rather strange, as I'm pretty sure the input limiter
doesn't work... and ANY limiting will increase latencies significantly.
Limiting output will normally have a knock-on effect on input, unless
you are downloading lots of files locally... of course if you limit
input to the same as output, you won't give away that fact so easily :).
 
 So if it was my node I'd have:
 inputBandwidthLimit=24000
 outputBandwidthLimit=24000
 
 (and if I was going away for a weekend or more I'd crank them both up to
 48000 if no one else was using the bandwidth).
 
  I'm not highly motivated right now to update the Java environment.   So far 
 I haven't
  had observable environment errors.  The security issues I'm aware of involve
  violations of the security sandbox - a moot point with freenet - and a JVM 
 crash/Dos,
  which I'll deal with when I see crashes.  If you're aware of something more 
 serious,
  please tell.
 
 Nope. I'd agree with all your comments. 
 
What does FRED have to say for itself?
   
http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm
  
  Wow, lots of pretty graphs .  The numbers at the top of the report:
 
 Very pretty. They don't mean much to me so I go for the Classic look
 of Connections, and More Details if I'm browsing.
 
  Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 198 (132/66/200)
  Transfers active (Transmit/Receiving) 24 (13/11)
  Data waiting to be transferred1,285 Bytes
  Total amount of data transferred  4,483 MiB
 
 Perfect. That's exactly what I'd expect to see after say 2 days uptime?

Yup.
 
My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days to
become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working
beautifully.
  
  Double plus thank you!  I can wait a couple weeks.  I saw the claim that 
 freenet
  could be competetive with bittorrent, and was worried that I'd botched 
 something

It can be, for large popular files. Once they get started. If you use
enough threads. OTOH, for smaller files, e.g. fproxy, latency is
generally quite high.

  badly.  I think I've been through about four of the FAQ pages, a couple of 
 which
  have a subtextual hint that it may be quite a while before one's node is 
 fully
  connected, but not much idea of the scale of quite a while.  Setting 
 expectations
  is important.

Nine days is ridiculous. We must do something about it. :(

 
 Bittorrent rocks. But it will always max out my connection.
 Freenet easily outperformed Shareaza/Kazaa in my one test. BUT..a big BUT...
 this was a movie file that CofE mentioned (and linked to) in his flog as
 a file he downloaded as a test. I'm guessing there would be many people
 like me who also downloaded the file as a test. Which would mean that Freenet,
 if operating as designed, would replicate more and more of this data
 throughout the network (a reverse Slashdot effect). That would certainly be
 consistent with my observations.
 
 And just to expose my complete Freebieness (a freenet newbie and I've only
 recently picked up that term recently), I had always done my downloading
 through the built in FRED interface. Ok, nice for built in, but now I do all
 my (few) downloads through Fuqid. What a difference. Haven't looked at
 anything equivalent for Linux.

Okay, what's the main advantage? Maybe we can improve the fproxy
interface?
 
 My interest is websites that can never get slashdotted and can host large
 files while sharing the load, rather than file-sharing...

Yeah, that would be cool, if it really worked, and if we had enough
hosts to be able to worry about such things!
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Re: [freenet-support] PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:27:35AM +0200, Dynamo wrote:
 HI,
 
 I got a problem with freenet . I am sure I configured freenet correctly and
 forwarded the right ports I although createt an dyndns.org account only for
 freenet

Do you have incoming connections on
http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/networking/ocm ? If so, that's a
good sign that things are reasonably well set up. In any case, please
show me the top few lines. Mine says, at the moment:

Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit)   63 (36/27/200)
Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving)   14 (5/9)
Data waiting to be transferred  869 Bytes
Total amount of data transferred430 MiB
 
 To get the node running well (ip in dydns.org database is up to date) !
 But when I try to open a site I got the message .. Sure connected to the
 Internet.. or .. Route not Found .. . And know I got this Error Message
 !! 

Generally not a good sign :(. Show me the above, and the top 10 lines of
http://127.0.0.1:7888/servlet/nodestatus/nodestatus.html . Mine says:
Number of known routing nodes   399
Number of node references   389
Number of newbie nodes  14
Number of uncontactable nodes   20
Contacted and attempted to contact node references  388
Contacted node references   63
Contacted newbie node references14
Connections with Successful Transfers   46
Backed off nodes29

 
  
 
 Error: Route Not Found
 
  
 
 Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes.
 
 0 were totally unreachable.
 
 0 restarted.
 
 0 cleanly rejected.

:
 
  
 
 There is NO Node 
 
 Only if I increase the Hops to live there is one Node which has cleanly
 rejected my attempt !

Increasing the HTL is pretty irrelevant on RNFs with 0/0/0...
 
 The Network load is although very bad if I load a new Reference I got 42 %
 but after running the node for a while it is only 20 % then 15 %.

It should be about 100%, but it doesn't matter THAT much...
 
 What can I DO ?? 
 
 Whats going on can anybody help me please ???
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Re: [freenet-support] How much download?

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 10:21:17AM +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote:
 Joachim Scharfetter wrote:
 
 Hi, I have got a fair use DSL account with limited download volume.
 How much download traffic will a permanent freenet node approximately
 cause?
 
 As much as your bandwidth allows. On a capped 256/128 connection Freenet 
 managed to use 1.5GB in a day. Now I have a 10GB cap, not good. Anyway, 
 that's the sort of transfer you can expect - lower your 
 averageBandwidthLimit to keep things sane.

I'm amazed that the above still works...
 
 If it was possible to change these limits on the fly it'd be nice. 
 There's a suggestion for you Toad ;)

Changing bandwidth limits on the fly may be quite difficult, but we'll get
around to it eventually.. :)
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Re: List Protocol was Re: [freenet-support] PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME

2004-07-12 Thread Phillip Hutchings
Toad wrote:
Please CC the original poster if at all possible in future. Mostly they
aren't subscribers. Thanks.
Sorry, different email client to the one I normally use. Serves me right for posting 
to the list at work :P
Anyway, noted, I'll remember hopefully.
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[freenet-support] Re: How much download?

2004-07-12 Thread Someone
Joachim Scharfetter schrieb:
Hi, I have got a fair use DSL account with limited download volume.
How much download traffic will a permanent freenet node approximately
cause?
Depends on the personal use. In an idle-state (when I'm not browsing
freesites or downloading splitfiles) my stable node generates about 2GB
traffic within 24 hours on my 768/128 DSL line (the nodes upstream is
limited to 8kbyte/sec).
As I can download freshly inserted splitfiles at a maximum rate of about
80kbyte/sec the traffic can increase quite a bit when I actually use my
node.
If you really wan't to limit the nodes traffic you will be better of to
do it system side, as the nodes limiter isn't that accurate and may lead
to some nasty surprises on the next provider bill.
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Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems

2004-07-12 Thread Florian Streck
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:07:00PM +0100, Toad wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 08:50:55AM +0200, Garb wrote:
  Yes, it works really well. And the default Blackdown JAVA-install works
  right out of the box too, eliminating the need for messing aroud with SUN
  JRE. I've had Freenet running on several distros, but Gentoo is definitely
  the easiest one to work with.
 
 Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report...

This was not perhaps my report? I had serious trouble some time ago
(using blackdown on linux ...). But it turned out that there was a
change in the way the freenet.conf file was interpreted. Took me some
time to realize that the old OutputBandwidthLimit was in kByte and the
new one in Bytes. And an OutputBandwidthLimit of 4 Bates is just to slow
for every node ;-)

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Re: [freenet-support] starting probs

2004-07-12 Thread Florian Streck
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:03:22PM +0100, Toad wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:29:36AM +0200, Florian Streck wrote:
  On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 10:20:59PM +0100, Toad wrote:
   Ouch. I thought it just got dyndns to detect your IP on the other end?
  
  Unfortunately sometimes the providers put in some NAT boxes or a proxy
  that prevents this system from working properly. So there is, in most
  cases, the possibility to submit the IP that you are using.
 
 Yikes. Assuming you use a non-standard port for the update, there's
 little point in having a dyndns if you can't connect direct to dyndns,
 as your connections will get blocked anyway.

This was ages ago. The service that I used then had a update-mechanism
using http. Unfortunately I just realized that there was a problem when
I was on vacation for a few weeks and had no way of finding my Computer
with all my mails :-(
Ok, geek-trouble not beeing able to read mail in vacation ;-)

Florian

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Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems

2004-07-12 Thread Toad
When was outputBandwidthLimit EVER in kilobytes/sec? Maybe the Windows
configurator used kB/sec...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 01:46:29AM +0200, Florian Streck wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:07:00PM +0100, Toad wrote:
  On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 08:50:55AM +0200, Garb wrote:
   Yes, it works really well. And the default Blackdown JAVA-install works
   right out of the box too, eliminating the need for messing aroud with SUN
   JRE. I've had Freenet running on several distros, but Gentoo is definitely
   the easiest one to work with.
  
  Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report...
 
 This was not perhaps my report? I had serious trouble some time ago
 (using blackdown on linux ...). But it turned out that there was a
 change in the way the freenet.conf file was interpreted. Took me some
 time to realize that the old OutputBandwidthLimit was in kByte and the
 new one in Bytes. And an OutputBandwidthLimit of 4 Bates is just to slow
 for every node ;-)
 
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[freenet-support] The hang on lost Internet

2004-07-12 Thread Nicholas Sturm
Todd, now that you're back with us:  Obviously going into the 100% state 
after loosing a connection does nothing beneficial for the network.  If 
I kill my note each evening in anticipation of the death and then 
reactivate it when I regain rationality the next day will this on-n-off 
activity of my node be of any value either to itself or to the network?  
Recall, I have dial up which is not great, but that I was getting 
integration until about two weeks ago, is running of any benefit at 
all?  Thanks.  Nick

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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]

2004-07-12 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:10:01AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote:
  There's lots of cool stuff with averaging limits, and immediate limits,
  and gradual adjustment. Together with incoming being not directly under
  control. It works very well for those of us with monthly bandwidth caps.
 
 It does?! I thought the average limiter didn't work...

Ahh yes, well that's probably why we get questions like the original point.
I read voraciously, try to make sense of it all, and couple it with my
observations. But it's hard to get a definite answer or know if I'm just
observing noise

If you'd like me to do some comprehensive *tests* please feel free to ask.
But I'd gather that there are other priorities.

 My personal experience (counts for very little) is that it took 9 days 
to
 become better connected - then suddenyl everything started working
 beautifully.

 Nine days is ridiculous. We must do something about it. :(

It may well be better now, especially with these latest stable releases
which seem much improved, thank you Toad. Again, just holler if you ever
want some testing done.

 Okay, what's the main advantage? Maybe we can improve the fproxy
 interface?

Since you ask:

fproxy will timeout and then I have to start again. And then it won't even
grab the parts it previously downloaded successfully :-( So over a period of
weeks my perception is that I eventually move all the requisite parts into
my local stored, and then fproxy will download it instantly :-)

I certainly don't expect fproxy to be modified but perhaps one easy change
would be an outer loop so it just circles back and tries again. It's
probably just my low bandwidth, but I find that I will request something
(and this includes web pages) and it's not there, and then 5 minutes, 10
minutes, 20 minutes, 1 hour, 8 hours later it's there. 

My assumption has always been that my requests go out in an ever widening
circle off to where the data I want may be found, but my request timesout
before it gets back to me. Eventually (by dint of persistent requests) it
is lodged in local stores that I can reach before timing out.

  My interest is websites that can never get slashdotted and can host large
  files while sharing the load, rather than file-sharing...
 
 Yeah, that would be cool, if it really worked, and if we had enough
 hosts to be able to worry about such things!

Ahh, well I'm here for the long haulnot that I'm any use. :-(
I am a big fan of the privacy elements also.

So be encouraged. You're not just creating an anonymous slow file-sharer.
You know and I know that Freenet is being used for good purposes now
and I can see lots of potential for the future. 





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Re: [freenet-support] How much download?

2004-07-12 Thread David Masover
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Toad wrote:
| Changing bandwidth limits on the fly may be quite difficult, but we'll get
| around to it eventually.. :)
Really?  Would it be feasable to do an Apache-style graceful restart?
~ (Since files that are really too big should have a splitfile anyway, it
wouldn't take too long for the restart to finish.)
Also, bandwidth limitation can be done elsewhere (the kernel, a piece of
hardware), so maybe we already can change it on the fly on certain
architectures...
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Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems

2004-07-12 Thread David Masover
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Toad wrote:
| Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report...
Unless it's causing my slowness, blackdown works fine for me.  I'd
rather be using Kaffe, but I've had issues making that work on Gentoo.

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