David E. Ross wrote:
some Web sites over-use frames to the point that
they make Web pages not only annoying but also difficult to use.
In the vernacular, Kill them all; let God sort them out.
The original:
http://google.com/search?q=%22.God.will.know.his.own%22
Is there a way to cause each frame
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
They don't want to maintain the car,
Oh, but they -ARE- willing to invest large gobs of their time
into learning the fine points of anti-whatever apps
(which aren't necessary on a properly-crafted OS).
they just want to drive it.
...after they've ironed out all the
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
[...]I've been using Linux for about seven years
and have never once compiled a single ... anything.
...though that does remain an option which is available with FOSS
--unlike the all-closed-source segment
which makes up the majority of the M$ ecosystem.
...despite
Hartmut Figge wrote:
JeffM wrote:
My question is: What tasks do these folks actually do
that **requires** the easily-infected / needs-anti-whatever-apps OS?
There *are* games which wine is unable to cope with. :)
...which echoes my use of the term toy OS. 8-)
Don't serious gamers run
Stephen Geraghty wrote:
I recently noticed that [HTML] pages align left
when Internet Exporer renders them,
I *assume* that you have tried this
with only *ONE* version of MICROS~1's junk.
Want an eye-opener?
Try viewing a collection of pages with a multitude of browsers;
be sure to include
Anonymous wrote:
Why cant SM block unwanted sites from Google searches?
This was asked (just as poorly) a while back:
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/browse_frm/thread/8555dcbe93416bdb/1480ad93b0eae5a7#doc_1480ad93b0eae5a7
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I am attempting to open a web page at the following address:
http://www.nps.gov/features/yell/live/live4.htm
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/search?group=mozilla.support.seamonkeyq=nps+govqt_g=Search+this+group
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
When replying in plain text to an HTML message, I've noticed
that SeaMonkey does some peculiar thing with links.
The universe is trying to tell you
to stop sending Web pages via SMTP.
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BeulahFuentes wrote:
[SPAM from 184.173.202.26]
Wouldn't nFilter/NewsProxy or Leafnode
(or Hamster on a Windoze server)
eliminate these repeated SPAM posts automatically?
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
as most folks/companies simply aren't aware of standards,
JeffM wrote:
aka incompetents. aka don't know how to do their jobs.
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
* Big-Wigs in company,
and sometimes their own press/PR departments
If an individual is *actually* a big-wig
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Scumbag may be a little strong though,
JeffM wrote:
Nope. It's right on the mark.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
No, it is not. You can't blame the companies for these problems.
I already did that.
Stop defending the jerks and incompetents
who are involved
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
a manager's job is to delegate stuff to experts
who know the nitty-gritty details of things that would just bog him down.
Actually, it's his job to make sure that things get done RIGHT.
Getting 100,000 widgets produced on time
--with none of them meeting spec--is called
David E. Ross wrote:
Situations in which an error-free HTML page
will not be viewable with all browsers include:
* Insufficient contrast between text color and background color.
* [Assumed window sizes]
* Rendering that is garbled when CSS is disabled
...a particular favorite of mine
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Scumbag may be a little strong though,
Nope. It's right on the mark.
as most folks/companies simply aren't aware of standards,
aka incompetents. aka don't know how to do their jobs.
or the existence of browsers beyond, say,
Internet Exploder, Firefox, and maybe
WLS wrote:
Browser Policy Statement
Verizon recognizes the diverse operating systems and Internet browsers
our visitors may be using. While we want every visitor to have the best
possible experience on our Web site, we recognize that it is impossible
to develop applications that work identically,
Paul Bergsagel wrote:
How do we know if this is a Trojan or something equally bad?
You forgot to include what this is.
Broad strokes:
Get your apps only from trusted sources.
The repositories of Linux distros are a good example of this.
If this is something that appears in your browser,
the
JeffM wrote:
The anti-whatever guys
are always playing catch-up with the black hats.
...and the bad guys are smarter than
MICROS~1 and the anti-whatever guys put together.
Updating your band-aid apps
*just before* doing something questionable is the best you can do.
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Yes
WLS wrote:
Having peeked my interest,
For future reference:
http://google.com/search?q=%22.piqued.my.interest%22
I've seen peak used before (incorrectly),
but your use of peek is a first for me.
http://google.com/search?q=pique+peek+peak
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Jim wrote:
[...]we have to use the site www.employeeexpress.gov.[...]
It requires Firefox or IE 7.0 or 8.0.
This is one of the most common topics discussed at this group.
The situation is an artifact of massively incompetent Web developers
who learned to use ONE tool and stopped their education
David Wilkinson wrote:
Windows 8 will have an entirely new mode of operation called Metro
[...]
So where does this leave SeaMonkey/FireFox/Thunderbird?
Sailfish wrote:
I predict they will be as successful with it
as they were with Kin/Win Phone 7/Vista.
The only thing M$ seem to be able to do
PhillipJones wrote:
Adobe absolutely refuses to support Gecko based Browsers on Mac.
[...][It's] webkit only. Perhaps we should switch to webkit .
...or perhaps to Linux.
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David E. Ross wrote :
AdBlock Plus
Jane--Galt wrote:
it doesn't prevent a site from coming up in Google results
As has been noted, that is a COMPLETELY different question
from what you initially asked.
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
append -site:yourdomainhere.com to your search string
-inurl:
JeffM wrote:
There are operating systems that don't need this
band-aids-pasted-all-over-the-outside nonsense.
Ray_Net wrote:
You speak about one of the multitude of the lunix distributions crap ?
Rufus wrote:
...which don't do *jack* that I actually want/need to do?
Heh. Bank shot: 2 idiots
Cathy Palmer-Lister wrote:
[...]Norton [antivirus]
There are operating systems that don't need this
band-aids-pasted-all-over-the-outside nonsense.
(Actually, there is only *one* OS vendor that *does* need it.)
Those alternate OSes are available at zero cost
and you can run Windoze in a virtual
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
The forward charge by the bull elephants
to introduce new features is all well and good.
But I'd like to see an army with brooms and pooper scoopers
clean up the field between the charging elephants
and us the plodding following mass of users.
So that we can follow
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Inviting end users who are incapable of coding or testing
is an empty promise.
Describe more fully incapable of testing.
If the developers want to know what end users think,
they need to ask them before the code is carved in stone.
This overlooks the scratching an itch
JeffM wrote:
Describe more fully incapable of testing.
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
What I mean is that most end users can demo a program,
play around for a bit,
and generally satisfy themselves that it works for their favorite tasks.
That actually constitutes a lot of data points.
They might
JeffM wrote:
Hmmm. I've already used this analogy once today (elsewhere).
Sometimes it only takes ONE individual to affect a change:
http://google.com/search?tbs=dfn:1q=hung-jury
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
OK, so if I dedicate my life to making sure everyone knows
that it's Effect change
JeffM wrote:
Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey,
I note that they never mention the authors' participation
in the Release Candidate trial/review process.
Jay Garcia wrote:
What else is required other than to be a user,
A critique that comes as late as so many of these do
could
JeffM wrote:
those folks who are prone to complaining
*should* be the ones who point out shortcomings
**when something can more easily be done about those**
i.e. **early** aka **during pre-release**.
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
If you want people to comment before something is finalized,
you have
JeffM wrote:
Not complaining about the content; it's the *timing* that bugs me.
Michael Gordon wrote:
Don't be too harsh on these late posters.
Well, as long as they don't get *too* whiney.
Some of us will not upgrade
until most of the major bugs have been corrected.
...which is a choice
JeffM wrote:
those folks who are prone to complaining
*should* be the ones who point out shortcomings
**when something can more easily be done about those**
i.e. **early** aka **during pre-release**.
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
All right , then where does the developer coouncil/
governing body
Graham wrote:
I'm liking Seamonkey less and less
[Large amounts of text elided]
Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey,
I note that they never mention the authors' participation
in the Release Candidate trial/review process.
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1)
Turn off your Caps Lock key when typing Subject lines.
Thanks
Thank you.
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Don DeWitt wrote:
I've had a variety of problems with Composer as well
(I believe I read that no one is currently maintaining it)
There was some chatter at one point of collaboration with Kaze,
the developer of KompoZer.
I wonder if anything ever come from that?
NoOp wrote:
Sorry, your browser/program is not supported by Web Dynpro!
I'm completely shocked.
Their developers seem so talented.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://amtrak.com/
374 Errors, 463 warning(s)
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JeffM wrote:
Slashdot commenters mentioned several times
http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/06/27/1442205/Firefox-Is-For-Regular-Users-Not-Businesses
that Gecko needs a Long-Term Support version
(a concept that Ubuntu has used successfully since June 2006,
where security patches are backported
Cruz, Jaime wrote:
The add-on authors seem to be having difficulties
keeping up with the upgrade cycle,
Asa Dotzler (who is not authorized to speak for Mozilla)
made a comment that caused even more corps to dump Firefox.
(Having to test for breakage before deploying
then test AGAIN soon
MCBastos wrote:
Add-ons (extensions) hook into and modify the user interface
of the program -- sometimes inserting a new module
in the structure, sometimes replacing the standard module
with their own customized module, whatever.
...then there is Google included an actual API for extensions
in
MCBastos wrote:
Advertising Firefox compatibility
only helps to get dumb browser-sniffing webpages to load correctly.
I call those Web pages constructed by idiots
but you're a more kind and gentle soul than I am.
Extension compatibility is an entirely different subject.
I'm a one-step-at-a-time
Bob Fleischer wrote:
[...]Mac OS 10.4.
Apple: The new Borg.
I understand that she cannot upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.1,
and that there will be no further security fixes to SeaMonkey 2.0.
Besides buying a new computer, what alternatives might there be?
William Morrison wrote:
I can't play Golf on Facebook
Here's a crazy idea:
When you have a problem with a page,
include a clickable link to that page in your post.
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William Morrison wrote:
that would require me giving out my username and password
to be of any use to anyone
and then everyone would have access to my Facebook Account.
Ah. Facebook is a really stupid idea IMO.
use SM 2.1 create a Facebook account of your own then
You just lost me.
A site that
sean bean wrote:
Google is likely telling you your browser is not supported because
Google wants to set all sorts of cookies and location awareness data
in your browser,
Nope.
which SeaMonkey generally doesn't allow by default
Nope.
While I laud your suspicion of megacorporations,
your
JeffM wrote:
Google is sniffing for browsers
and blackballing those it deems unworthy of accessing its pages.
Again, sniffing is a stupid practice;
using it *incorrectly* is monumentally stupid.
It is obvious that the Google employees who implemented this
are unaware that the **proper** way
MCBastos wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 30/05/2011 06:49, Paul B. Gallagher told the world:
That's cute. 8-)
if enough sites were compliant, M$ would have to shape up.
Actually, I understand that IE9 is reasonably compliant
The phrase you seek is *inching upward*
(after YEARS of hobbling the
JeffM wrote:
The truth is much simpler:
1) Google has embraced Web 2.0.
2) Google employees don't know the *basics* of what they are doing.
sean bean wrote:
google's corporate motto is don't be evil
but this is now opposite land...
Web 2.0 is evil??
...or have you wandered off-topic
without
Jane_Galt wrote:
I keep getting messages from Google search, Adwords and other places
that my browser ( SM ) is no longer supported.
When you encounter idiots who don't know how to build a website
properly,
you have options:
1) Avoid the idiots permanently
2) Complain to the idiots that they
JeffM wrote :
[...]idiots who don't know how to build a website properly[...]
Jan_Galt wrote:
You consider Google, one of the biggest sites in the world, to be idiots?
Yup.
This topic has been covered in this group innumerable times.
YOU DON'T NEED TO SNIFF FOR BROWSERS.
Just make your stupid
doc@ kd4e.com wrote:
I have been surprised from time to time when I am on
a site in Europe or elsewhere and get an error saying
that some resource is not available in my region.
http://google.com/search?tbs=dfn:1q=proxy-server
MCBastos wrote:
[...]the U.S. used to have a
28 years from register,
d...@kd4e.com wrote:
:[...]Chrome, Firefox, and Safari
:have vulnerabilities numbering in the hundreds
:-- far more than Internet Explorer in the same time periods.
When M$ starts publishing EVERY bug report it receives,
THEN these trolls can start making those claims with some veracity.
However,
Ant wrote:
http://mafiaafire.com/download.php
Is there one that is compatible with Mozilla's SeaMonkey v2.x?
Ant wrote:
I will just wait for an official SM2 support if it ever comes out.
I will contact the developers too for a SM2 support too!
The extension in question is based on an interesting
hapihakr wrote:
Use the user agent string option to masquerade as Firefox.
...or just don't visit sites built by chimps.
Thanks for posting to an 11-month old thread.
In addition:
The proper line length length for text in Usenet posts
is also much shorter than your post would indicate.
Ed Mullen wrote:
Best practice: Use Add/Remove Programs to uninstall first
then install new version.
With the recent spate of Java-using exploits
(to which even Linux users are susceptible),
some are advising the Remove part WITHOUT the Install part.
http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/18/fate-of-java/
Smiles wrote:
how do I get rid of the load remote content pop up
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Edit | Preferences | Mail Newsgroups | Message Display:
You should be aware that by doing this
you will be allowing web beacons
Yet another example that HTML email is a stupid notion.
More on this topic:
David E. Ross wrote:
As reported yesterday by the original poster in this thread,
the problem was a setting in Adobe Reader, not in SeaMonkey.
What hasn't been stated explicitly, however,
is, apparently, that app handles Internet Exploder
in a different way than it does other browsers.
Good old
Leroy Tennison wrote:
[...]in the ASP code[...]
What characteristic does that Microsoft technology possess
that you feel that you need?
To get an iteration of M$ tech going,
it seems obvious that you would use a M$ tool.
M$ tools, of course, produce the least compliant, most bloated code.
nr wrote:
JeffM wrote:
http://google.com/search?q=%22.Google.Groups%22+cookies+-this-group+-...
Thanks for the link, but it didn't show me anything usable.
The Google cookie(s) on your box
allows Google to access the data they have aggregated about you.
If that cookie gets scrambled
nr wrote:
Google groups
http://google.com/search?q=%22.Google.Groups%22+cookies+-this-group+-food
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Fred James wrote:
[...]PRINTER[...]
Starting a new thread with each new post
seems very stupid and selfish to me.
Try keeping it all in one thread from now on.
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Margo Guda wrote:
prefbar [will] just turn off color
When you top-post, it really screws up the flow of the thread
--especially when you are responding to MULTIPLE posts.
David E. Ross wrote:
There is no white list or black list capability for color.
Either you enable it for all Web pages or
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote :
looks for Internet Explorer,
Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Netscape (!), Opera, but not
SeaMonkey. (Yet another example of author bungle.)
:David E. Ross wrote:
:another example of why sniffing is generally bad.
:
Jane_Galt wrote:
kept me from using my Webshots
JeffM wrote :
Finding a service that isn't run by bozos would be a good plan.
Jane_Galt wrote:
Webshots is it, pretty much, for HD color photo downloading.
That pretty much sucks.
Some competition in that segment would be good.
I wonder why there isn't any.
...and Seamonkey is an old Netscape
Jane_Galt wrote:
Is anyone else getting a parsing error at this site?:
http://www.memory4less.com/
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
New problem, eh? I see the same error in several browsers.
The only thing surprising here is that someone is surprised:
Eric wrote:
I put it through the validator http://validator.w3.org/;,
What else have you tried?
Ant wrote:
http://comics.com/brevity/2010-11-07/
Heh.
8-) Shades of my youth and the back pages of comic books.
Without the bloated page, that's:
http://c0389161.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/dyn/str_strip/342251.full.gif
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
you didn't Fall Back
It wasn't his choice. It's a *server* issue.
His *provider* hasn't applied the DST patches
which have been available for years.
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Acharya Swami Rudra Kali Das wrote:
I don't usually post, but
What would be good is if *before* posting
you looked at the Subject lines of what was posted the last few days.
news://news.mozilla.org:119/ttadnttmlpcgzfvrnz2dnuvz_qudn...@mozilla.org
David E. Ross wrote:
Apparently, Google is [sniffing] for what browser you are using.
Further, Google is sniffing INCORRECTLY.
It appears they turned things over to the children
who promptly screwed things up 6 ways to Sunday.
http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/10/29/storm-clouds/
nr wrote:
[...]Password Manager[...]
the user name and password won't populate the fields
when I go to [Monster.com]
Similar topics have been discussed here before:
Doug Fisher wrote:
I wish SM could figure get on more compliant lists
- or figure out a way to work around this.
What I wish is that people would stop
blaming a browser that works PERFECTLY on properly-build sites
when that browser encounters a site built by an incompetent bozo
who should be
Danny Kile wrote:
I was not able to play the video when spoofing FF or IE,
I was however able to play it if I ran IE Tabs.
So, to review:
A site that not only requires an Internet Exploder identity reported,
it is actually built to require that broken rendering engine.
Another moron Web developer
JeffM wrote:
Contact the jackass who can't built a proper Web page.
Direct your bile at the moron who obviously
doesn't do proper testing on the crap pages he produces.
Ed Mullen wrote:
Err, contact, perhaps, a commenter who can get his verb tenses right?
Have I erred in ASSuMEing
that someone
Doug Fisher wrote:
With the latest upgrade to 2.09,
Google docs is now showing in basic HTML mode
and is uneditable.
SeaMonkey is being detected as a noncompliant browser.
Bitch to Google loud and long
about their incompetence doing browser sniffing.
DoctorBill wrote:
I am finding more and more often,
that open tabs which are loading just keep on 'loading' forever.
[...] the circling arrow and progress bar never stop working.
[. . .]
I do not understand all the nuances of how the internet works,
I note that you haven't mentioned how fast your
doc@ kd4e.com wrote:
I have tried this on two laptops, one SM 2.0.8
the other 2.0.9 and it won't play - shows the promo page
but no streaming video when clicked.
http://www.syfy.com/rewind/riese/1255985/
It would be good if folks would mention having tried the usual
suspects:
Tried user agent
Miroslav Kolar wrote:
How can checky be made working with Seamonkey?
How about requesting that from the author.
http://checky.sourceforge.net/help.html
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DoctorBill wrote:
The tech rep (ha!) didn't explain what software password to use.
An apt comic from a few days back:
http://xkcd.com/806/
The stuffed penguin was a powerful clue he had the right tech.
http://google.com/images?q=Tux+Larry-Ewing
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Zeb Carter wrote:
[...]I am recreating my USENET lists[...]
If you're going to be posting to USENET,
avoid using inane Subject lines like A quick question.
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Mark Hansen wrote:
What you must not realize is that
people search the subject lines from past posts
looking for potential solutions.
By using a nonsense subject line,
you basically make this really hard.
aka selfish.
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stango wrote:
different pages are developed using different software
Don't blame the software.
Ultimately it's the human's responsibility
to assure that the work he produces isn't crap.
and for different browsers,
Mostly, this refers to pages built by fools and incompetents
who use Micros~1
robert.ga...@att.net wrote:
links on Yahoo Finance that used to work in Seamonkey
but won't display with 2.0.8.
The page is crap.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://finance.yahoo.com
When the page is crap, the browser has to GUESS.
The old browser guessed correctly; the newer one doesn't.
DSF wrote:
There are many other web sites where I save pages this way.
I'll bet when you check those other pages for crappiness
they look more like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.webstandards.org/2008/10/02/dowehaveawinner/
than like this
DoctorBill wrote:
If I use Google Images,[]very often Seamonkey 1.1 binds up
and then an error message pops up
about some Unresponsive Script
I note that you didn't mention what kind of bandwidth you have.
If scripts bog down your system, don't run those.
http://noscript.net/
Ray_Net wrote:
Who is paying you to stress people using linux ?
It's called sharing.
As the user of a Free Software online suite,
you should be familiar with the concept.
People who mention a 12-year-old M$ OS
(which is always running as root)
often have experienced being pwned by a drive-by
Stephan Mahieu wrote:
cc-numbers imho are just the tip of the iceberg.
What about the information you type in
when doing online private banking?
The suckage of financial institutions (especially in the USA)
is just phenomenal.
David E. Ross wrote:
My wife uses SeaMonkey 1.1.19.
Her old PC does not have the capacity for Windows XP,
so she still uses Windows 98.
However, her PC is starting to get cranky;
Can you narrow it down to the hardware or the software?
(Tried to boot to a Linux CD?)
so I think I might get her a
DoctorBill wrote:
[...]an E-Mail[...]I wanted to print it to a file
so that I could print it out with a word processor.
Tried to Print to File when I clicked the Print Button.
Your expectations are so far off, it's humorous.
The file format will be your printer's language (gibberish).
Not
Popichak, Robert wrote:
I would prefer to use MS Outlook
Maybe you should take your questions
about Internet Exploder and Outbreaks In Excess
to groups that specialize in those fourth-rate softwares.
Is there a setting I can change to default IE8 to Outlook?
Everyone *assumes* that you know
Arnie Goetchius wrote:
With Seamonkey (1.16 or 2.08), Firefox or Google Chrome,
I get an a Start Up Error when trying to access the above site.
For kicks, I tried feeding the URL into the validator.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=https://www.uhcretiree.com/
I got a 500 error. (Server doesn't
doc@ kd4e.com wrote:
I am using 2.0.8 in Limux.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Limux? :-)
Well, he might not be using it, but it's a real thing.
It's a spin of Debian produced by the City of Munich
with an eye on mass migration off of Windoze
and other closed-source payware.
JeffM wrote:
Now for the $64,000 question:
How much RAM is in that box?
Daniel wrote:
375MByte
384MB would be the number commonly reported for that.
So, your box is atypical for someone who is *still* using Win9x.
Mostly such folks will never alter the original hardware specs
and will still
JeffM wrote:
A distro built around KDE or GNOME
is likely a non-starter for gear of that vintage.
Daniel wrote:
Wrong!! My desktop is a dual boot Win98 (upgraded to SE, I think)
and Mandriva Linux 2007.1.
Part of the Mandrive install is KDE desktop.
Version 3.x, but still KDE.
Now
baitman wrote:
I am using version 1.19 with window 98se
Robert Kaiser wrote:
We don't release current software for vastly outdated systems.
If you want to stay with the outdated vulnerability-prone Win98SE,
you need to stick with the outdated vulnerability-prone
1.x versions of SeaMonkey as well.
JeffM wrote:
If you see Puppy mentioned, forget that
as it is a poor choice with a lack of security similar to Win9x.
Robert Kaiser wrote:
OTOH, it's a distro that comes with SeaMonkey
as the default browser and mail application,
8-) Yup, *that* part is good.
...then again, the distro that I
Robert Kaiser wrote:
I for myself am a big fan of openSUSE, which is very friendly to us
You have to admire their taste in online software 8-)
(though not as default browser...)
Well, take the blessings as they come.
[...]not so sure[...]how well it works for usually older hardware
that
JeffM wrote:
If a newbie can do damage
without any prompt that what he is doing is dangerous,
he gets a fowl impression of Linux
--because Puppy is a poor implementation of Linux.
Again, with Puppy, it's too easy for a n00b to get a bad impression
when one of the selling points of a proper Linux
Daniel wrote:
Jeff, I think what Jay is trying to say is that
if people are having problems,
they should first fire off a test message to the test group.
I'm saying that THEY SHOULD NOT FIRE OFF ANYTHING.
The idea that you have to start spewing MORE crap is WRONG.
**First*, check a Web-based
JeffM wrote:
**First*, check a Web-based archive of the group
and simply LOOK to see if your ORIGINAL post went thru.
Google Groups has near-zero latency.
Paul wrote:
Google groups are banned from my company
*Your* company? ...or the company you work for?
and most of my own computers
due
JeffM wrote:
In this hierarchy, the test group is mozilla.test.
FMurtz wrote:
if there was a problem with this specific group,
would exactly the same problem occur with mozilla.test?
If the *server* is offline, that will be revealed.
If you can get to the server,
there is a high probability
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