Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-15 Thread Daniel
Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:04:57 -0800 NoOpgl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: In a comparison of Opera SM 2.7.1 in opening http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php the result are the same: 13 seconds (from a low speed California US connection). I wasn't talking about

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-15 Thread Daniel
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500 Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca wrote: Snip It still offers what I want in terms of browser and IMAP integration, but the look and feel is nowhere near as attractive as it

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-15 Thread Larry S.
Jens Hatlak wrote: Larry S. wrote: Sigh . . . The Cookie Safe page says Not available for SM 2.7.1. Sigh... You didn't even *try* to click the button (and then Install Anyway). Else you would have found that this add-on works with *any* version of SM since 2.1. Have a little faith. I didn't

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-15 Thread Jens Hatlak
Larry S. wrote: However, CS is now installed, but I still don't see the feature I was looking for, that is, a list of all the domains in one place so I can edit out individual or groups of domains with a single click to simplify my list. Right click the cookie icon at the right hand of the

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-15 Thread Larry S.
Jens Hatlak wrote: Larry S. wrote: However, CS is now installed, but I still don't see the feature I was looking for, that is, a list of all the domains in one place so I can edit out individual or groups of domains with a single click to simplify my list. Right click the cookie icon at the

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-15 Thread NoOp
On 02/14/2012 10:43 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:04:57 -0800 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: In a comparison of Opera SM 2.7.1 in opening http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php the result are the same: 13 seconds (from a low speed California US connection). I

what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Bzzz
Hi, I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux; 2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1. From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things: * SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/ NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago. Even not

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Ray_Net
Bzzz wrote: Hi, I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux; 2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1. From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things: * SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/ NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago.

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Ray_Net
Ray_Net wrote: Bzzz wrote: Hi, I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux; 2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1. From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things: * SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/ NoScript), exactly as FireFox did

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:12:58 +0100 Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: Because the developpers knows better than you what is good for you :-( Yeah, that was my first thought (same as for gnome3:( Too bad, I liked it until this release - I'm gonna try Opera to see if it fits my

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread chicagofan
Bzzz wrote: Hi, I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux; 2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1. From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things: * SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/ NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago.

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread hawker
On 2/14/2012 8:11 AM, Bzzz wrote: Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit? Because Fire Fox is turning into a piece of shit (don't get me started on how many sites are no broken with the 10. numbering - and I'm getting sick of the pass the blame game), and the SM team

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:15:36 +0100 Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: I have also to add that they need votes for solving a bug, but they don't need votes for a change. I was responsible of a 4GL suite .. and we do the exact inverse ! Yep, me too: users are dictating the

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500 chicagofan m...@privacy.net wrote: However, I'm one of those who just wants the basics and for them to be easily accessible, and realize many others want much more. I just wish the basics could be left alone, like passwords, downloads, font sizes, etc.

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Kevin L. Hill
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500, chicagofan wrote: Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file? ;) bj Here is a workaround for the new and improved password manager. There is no guarantee

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread chicagofan
Kevin L. Hill wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500, chicagofan wrote: Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file? ;) bj Here is a workaround for the new and improved password manager.

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Jens Hatlak
Kevin L. Hill wrote: Here is a workaround for the new and improved password manager. There is no guarantee how long the code will be kept in future versions. Here is a way to use the old password manager. Copy the following address into the browser:

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Larry S.
Kevin L. Hill wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500, chicagofan wrote: Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file? ;) bj Here is a workaround for the new and improved password manager.

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Jens Hatlak
Larry S. wrote: Kevin L. Hill wrote: Copy the following address into the browser: chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul Do you know of anything similar for cookies? chrome://communicator/content/permissions/cookieViewer.xul?cookieManager This may have issues and stop working in

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Larry S.
Jens Hatlak wrote: Larry S. wrote: Kevin L. Hill wrote: Copy the following address into the browser: chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul Do you know of anything similar for cookies? chrome://communicator/content/permissions/cookieViewer.xul?cookieManager This may have issues

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread chicagofan
Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500 chicagofanm...@privacy.net wrote: However, I'm one of those who just wants the basics and for them to be easily accessible, and realize many others want much more. I just wish the basics could be left alone, like passwords, downloads, font

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Chris Ilias
On 12-02-14 8:11 AM, _Bzzz_ spoke thusly: I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux; 2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1. From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things: * SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/ NoScript), exactly as

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread chicagofan
Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:12:58 +0100 Ray_Nettbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: Because the developpers knows better than you what is good for you :-( Yeah, that was my first thought (same as for gnome3:( Too bad, I liked it until this release - I'm gonna try Opera to see

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500 Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote: I don't know what you mean by became bloat. If you're having problems Yes, I didn't used the right expression. For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such a site is opened

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Jens Hatlak
Larry S. wrote: Sigh . . . The Cookie Safe page says Not available for SM 2.7.1. Sigh... You didn't even *try* to click the button (and then Install Anyway). Else you would have found that this add-on works with *any* version of SM since 2.1. Have a little faith. I didn't recommend some

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:56:29 -0500 chicagofan m...@privacy.net wrote: I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT being able to see websites in full screen. In SM 2.7, I get everything in a column with wide blank borders on each side. :( This is also my choice,

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500 Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca wrote: I don't know what you mean by became bloat. If you're having problems Yes, I didn't used the right expression. For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such a site is opened

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread chicagofan
Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:56:29 -0500 chicagofanm...@privacy.net wrote: I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT being able to see websites in full screen. In SM 2.7, I get everything in a column with wide blank borders on each side. :( This is also

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread chicagofan
Jens Hatlak wrote: Larry S. wrote: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727228 Guess I'll try the Chrome approach. Whatever makes you happy... Thanks anyway--you are a very helpful and much appreciated resource in this group. Thanks for noticing. ;-) HTH Jens Sorry, this

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:56:29 -0500 chicagofan m...@privacy.net wrote: I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT being able to see websites in full screen. In SM 2.7, I get everything in a column with wide blank borders on each side. :( Downloaded installed

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread NoOp
On 02/14/2012 01:14 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500 Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote: I don't know what you mean by became bloat. If you're having problems Yes, I didn't used the right expression. For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such a

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Chris Ilias
On 12-02-14 4:14 PM, _Bzzz_ spoke thusly: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500 Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca wrote: I don't know what you mean by became bloat. If you're having problems Yes, I didn't used the right expression. For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such a

Re: what's happening w/ SM?

2012-02-14 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:04:57 -0800 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: In a comparison of Opera SM 2.7.1 in opening http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php the result are the same: 13 seconds (from a low speed California US connection). I wasn't talking about opening, just