Re: Yay... I can add e'mail accounts again... :(

[sean]

Daniel wrote:

On 7/01/2017 3:45 AM, sean wrote:

The earlier version of the Linux 64 bit nightly from January 3rd I was
using was not allowing me to add new e'mail accounts... happily the
January 6th nightly is allowing new e'mail account creation.

love that it's spiffy and fast as all get out.

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49a2
Build identifier: 20170106013001

sean


Sean, was SM only allowing you to add additional News accounts?? If so, 
there is an change to a setting in about:config that will allow you to 
add more e-mail accounts after adding news accounts.




trying this again in the 2.5a2 nightly once again... i wanted to delete 
an imap account (because outlook's imap connections are slow and 
annoying) and recreate it as a pop account.


I was able to delete the old account, then able to enter the new pop 
settings... then Seamonkey crashed. When it reopened the account I had 
deleted was still there and new pop account was nowhere to be found.



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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[djc]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:


Daniel wrote:

On 20/04/2017 6:45 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Actually, I didn't. You should have deleted that attribution line when 
you deleted my text, to make it clear you were quoting Daniel.



Yeap!! Long time ago, I came across the saying "When you do
something, do it once, do it well, and move on!"

Sort of been my motto!

If web sites were correctly coded, or sniffed correctly, these
problems would not be a bother.


So maybe you can tell me this why do they need to sniff at all? Why
do they need to know whose browser is used. Make the website work
with all browsers, is that not possible?


It's possible, if you understand W3C compliance standards. But too many 
web designers think they have to write different code for different 
browsers, and if that's your assumption you need to sniff.


It's a result of Mosaic/Netscape vs Microsoft browser wars from 20 years 
ago. MS knew better and built Windows-only extensions into early 
versions of Internet Explorer and (deliberately?) mis-implemented other 
"standards". Windows fanbois loved these and used them willy-nilly.


If you wanted to develop a cross-browser website you HAD to /browser/ 
sniff - because this also predated the idea of rendering engines.


One commnon sniffing JS code was developed, anyone who was interested in 
cross browser support used it.


Eventually web standards incorporated many of these extensions (around 
the time of HTML 4, and specially HTML 5), but the rot had set in ... 
and who goes back to rework old code that still works (for various 
values of work).


Innovate in haste, live with the consequences at leisure :(

djc
[who has vague memories of copying sniffer code in the late 1990s, and 
being pissed off that it was necessary]


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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page
does not show a Send button with SeaMonkey.  While spoofing Firefox,
it only shows a thin red rectangle.  I sent a plain E-mail message to
their customer service.  They replied:

We use Windows 10 and Google Chrome and are [sic] feedback page
does show a submit button at the bottom in red

The illiteracy -- "are" instead of "our" -- is quite telling.  I
wonder if Baja Fresh's customer service is not in the U.S.


I found an easy fix: At Edit | Appearances | Fonts, set the minimum font 
size to "None" (on my machine, it was 14 pt). Then everything shrinks a 
bit and fits inside their layout box, and you can see the whole "Submit" 
button.


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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

I just wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page
does not show a Send button with SeaMonkey.  While spoofing
Firefox, it only shows a thin red rectangle.  I sent a plain E-mail
message to their customer service.  They replied:

We use Windows 10 and Google Chrome and are [sic] feedback page
does show a submit button at the bottom in red

The illiteracy -- "are" instead of "our" -- is quite telling.  I
wonder if Baja Fresh's customer service is not in the U.S.


I found an easy fix: At Edit | Appearances | Fonts, set the minimum
font size to "None" (on my machine, it was 14 pt). Then everything
shrinks a bit and fits inside their layout box, and you can see the
whole "Submit" button.


Correction: Make that Edit | Preferences | Appearances | Fonts...

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Re: bajafresh.com feedback form (was: What if all Mozilla browsers would...)

[Felix Miata]

EE composed on 2017-04-20 12:20 (UTC-0700):

> I do not even see a form on the contact page, so what use would a submit 
> button be?  I tried with 3 different browsers.

Which 3, with which installed extensions?

I tried http://www.bajafresh.com/corpfeedback.php with 3 profiles, one Firefox,
one SM 2.46 with NoScript, one SM 2.48 without NoScript. Neither SM profile's UA
string includes Firefox. FF and 2.48 both produced a complete feedback form with
I am not a robot captcha and submit button. 2.46 even with temporarily allow all
this page enabled displays nothing of the form below the textarea (comments
pane), and with page styles disabled the page displays none of the form at all.
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Development of SeaMonkey and blind users

[Luis Carlos González Moráles]

Hi all,
I-m I'm sorry that I didn't respond last year, but I don't know if 
someone can create an EMail list for  seamonkey for blind people? Since 
the developer I say development is too technical and visual for a blind 
people, can o say, I don't know what happen to the Seamonkey developer 
development.
Please, not the same as what happened to the Mozilla Application suite. 
It's my all day web brouser, EMail, Composer, ETC. I don't want 
sepparate applications, I want all in one, internet suite that have many 
potentials and is best than Firefox, Thunderbird, ETC.
If the development will be discontinued, I don't, realy, don't have any 
alternative suite bassed on Mozilla App Suite nor SeaMonkey anyway on 
the world. So please, continue the development, and I know, there's a 
little updates like the 2 years passed, but please continue it.
In behave of the good,
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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

EE wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Earlier this evening, I wrote:


On my machine, the page
 shows a Captcha at
bottom, and below that what appears to be the top edge of their
red "Submit" button (cf.
), but not enough of
it that it's clickable -- just as you say. I tried filling all
required fields, that didn't help.


On second thought, that sliver may be clickable after all. The
"Submit" button at 
doesn't trigger a cursor change from a pointer to a hand as most
links do, but it works nevertheless, via a javascript. The red
sliver you see also appears to be clickable in the same way -- I
tested by leaving the entire form blank and ignoring the Captcha
and just clicking it, and the site responded by telling me I needed
to enter my first name.

It's still poor design (they hard-coded the height of the box
containing all their fillable fields and made it too small), but if
your objective is functionality, you may have it after all.


How is somebody supposed to know the exact address of the feedback
page? The only link from the hostname alone was "contact us", which
did not lead to "storefeedback.php".  The latter page did indeed have
a submit button.


When I went to the main contact page , 
I saw two links, "General Feedback," which pointed to 
, and "Store Feedback," which 
pointed to . There was more, 
but those were the two that seemed most interesting.


As a general rule, if you mouse over well-formed links without clicking, 
the target URL appears in the status bar. You can also right-click the 
link to choose "Open Link in New Tab," "Open Link in New Window," etc., 
and the context list also includes "Copy Link Location."


So that's "how somebody's supposed to know..."

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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[EE]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Earlier this evening, I wrote:


On my machine, the page 
shows a Captcha at bottom, and below that what appears to be the top
edge of their red "Submit" button (cf.
), but not enough of it
that it's clickable -- just as you say. I tried filling all required
fields, that didn't help.


On second thought, that sliver may be clickable after all. The "Submit"
button at  doesn't trigger a
cursor change from a pointer to a hand as most links do, but it works
nevertheless, via a javascript. The red sliver you see also appears to
be clickable in the same way -- I tested by leaving the entire form
blank and ignoring the Captcha and just clicking it, and the site
responded by telling me I needed to enter my first name.

It's still poor design (they hard-coded the height of the box containing
all their fillable fields and made it too small), but if your objective
is functionality, you may have it after all.

How is somebody supposed to know the exact address of the feedback page? 
 The only link from the hostname alone was "contact us", which did not 
lead to "storefeedback.php".  The latter page did indeed have a submit 
button.


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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[EE]

David E. Ross wrote:

Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page does
not show a Send button with SeaMonkey.  While spoofing Firefox, it only
shows a thin red rectangle.  I sent a plain E-mail message to their
customer service.  They replied:

> We use Windows 10 and Google Chrome and are [sic] feedback page does
> show a submit button at the bottom in red


I do not even see a form on the contact page, so what use would a submit 
button be?  I tried with 3 different browsers.


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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[WaltS48]

On 4/20/17 3:20 PM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page does
not show a Send button with SeaMonkey.  While spoofing Firefox, it only
shows a thin red rectangle.  I sent a plain E-mail message to their
customer service.  They replied:

> We use Windows 10 and Google Chrome and are [sic] feedback page does
> show a submit button at the bottom in red


I do not even see a form on the contact page, so what use would a 
submit button be?  I tried with 3 different browsers.



The underlined General Feedback and Store Feedback are links.

Click one.



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Re: URL with punycode = easy phishing

[Lee]

On 4/20/17, Gabriel  wrote:
> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 15/04/17 20:05:
>> The current "patch" is just a flipped pref which you can flip yourself in
>> about:config
>>
>> Set network.IDN_show_punycode to true.
>> Other than setting this as the default I do not know how this could be
>> fixed
>> differently by anyone. Maybe putting an icon or something in the status
>> bar.
>> Firefox will likely add another doorhanger because they got rid of the
>> status
>> bar and now clutter the location bar to make it finally unusable...
>
> I know about the manual preference change, but I think it would be better if
> the
> browser shown an alert or as you suggest a special icon near the URL; or
> just do
> as Safari and always show the "xn--".

+1 for always show the "xn--"

altho who hasn't already set network.IDN_show_punycode to true?

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Re: URL with punycode = easy phishing

[Gabriel]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 15/04/17 20:05:

The current "patch" is just a flipped pref which you can flip yourself in
about:config

Set network.IDN_show_punycode to true.
Other than setting this as the default I do not know how this could be fixed
differently by anyone. Maybe putting an icon or something in the status bar.
Firefox will likely add another doorhanger because they got rid of the status
bar and now clutter the location bar to make it finally unusable...


I know about the manual preference change, but I think it would be better if the 
browser shown an alert or as you suggest a special icon near the URL; or just do 
as Safari and always show the "xn--".

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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[NFN Smith]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/19/2017 8:55 PM, NFN Smith wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Is not "Advertise Firefox compatibility" not working for you?


In any case, merely having Gecko will not suffice.  I just encountered a
Web site that works completely only with Chrome.




what site?

Smith



Since I know that you're a user of PrefBar, I'm assuming that you're 
doing UA spoofing...




Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page does
not show a Send button with SeaMonkey.  While spoofing Firefox, it only
shows a thin red rectangle.  I sent a plain E-mail message to their
customer service.  


I just went there with Firefox (using a profile with default prefs) and 
had no problems.  I then went back in Seamonkey, and when I set my user 
agent to:



Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0


I have no problems either, and that's saying something, as I make 
extensive use of NoScript and cookie blocking, enough where I have 
problems on a lot of sites.


What UA string are you showing them?  If you're not having issues with 
blocking of scripts and/or cookies, I'm inclined to believe that you're 
showing a UA that they don't like.



They replied:

We use Windows 10 and Google Chrome and are [sic] feedback page does
show a submit button at the bottom in red



The illiteracy -- "are" instead of "our" -- is quite telling.  I wonder
if Baja Fresh's customer service is not in the U.S.



Probably just carelessness of wording, and somebody writing quickly. For 
all I know, it could be somebody was dictating through a voice-to-text 
tool that misinterpreted.


When this topic has come up before, I've noted two things:

- I'm not aware of other browser families, whose derivatives have this 
kind of issue. There's a number of chromium-derived browsers, not just 
Google Chrome (e.g., Iron, Epic, SlimJet, etc.), but perhaps there's not 
as much diversity in UI as with Mozilla browsers, or the others don't 
try to differentiate themselves win the UA.


- For web site tech support people, the demand for a specific browser 
(and emphasis on brand name) is mostly that they don't have time to even 
consider anything except for the most commonly used stuff.  Yes, 
Seamonkey has all Gecko capacities of Firefox, but a tech support 
person, when working with a non-technical user, doesn't have the time or 
capacity of trying to translate UI navigation to a different tool.


Even for me, as a Seamonkey user, I'm mostly fluent on what I can to 
with Edit -> Preferences, and where to find all the settings.  However, 
if I'm working with somebody in Firefox (or Thunderbird, for that 
matter), it's a bunch more effort for me to pull up a copy, go to Tools 
-> Options, and then find the correct setting there, and there are some 
Seamonkey prefs that don't have equivalents in the FF or TB user 
settings (short of resorting to tweaking about:config settings).


If a site operator supports Firefox, then anything that's not Firefox is 
merely extra fluff, and unless you've spent time there, the only 
difference between Seamonkey, Waterfox, Cyberfox, PaleMoon, IceDragon, 
Orca, IceWeasel, or any other Mozilla derivative is irrelevant, because 
"it's not Firefox, and we support only Firefox".


For the maintainers of Baja Fresh's web site, I agree that it's 
short-sighted that they only thing that they support is Chrome, but 
that's their choice. They've made the decision that they'll make sure 
that everything works under Chrome (knowing that it's now the majority 
browser), but not willing to take the time to make sure that other 
browsers are supported.  Notice that Safari and Internet Explorer/Edge 
aren't there, either.


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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Danny Kile wrote:


Daniel wrote:

On 20/04/2017 6:45 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Actually, I didn't. You should have deleted that attribution line when 
you deleted my text, to make it clear you were quoting Daniel.



Yeap!! Long time ago, I came across the saying "When you do
something, do it once, do it well, and move on!"

Sort of been my motto!

If web sites were correctly coded, or sniffed correctly, these
problems would not be a bother.


So maybe you can tell me this why do they need to sniff at all? Why
do they need to know whose browser is used. Make the website work
with all browsers, is that not possible?


It's possible, if you understand W3C compliance standards. But too many 
web designers think they have to write different code for different 
browsers, and if that's your assumption you need to sniff.


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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[WaltS48]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/19/2017 8:55 PM, NFN Smith wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Is not "Advertise Firefox compatibility" not working for you?


In any case, merely having Gecko will not suffice.  I just encountered a
Web site that works completely only with Chrome.




what site?

Smith



Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page does
not show a Send button with SeaMonkey.  While spoofing Firefox, it only
shows a thin red rectangle.  I sent a plain E-mail message to their
customer service.  They replied:

We use Windows 10 and Google Chrome and are [sic] feedback page does
show a submit button at the bottom in red

The illiteracy -- "are" instead of "our" -- is quite telling.  I wonder
if Baja Fresh's customer service is not in the U.S.



Shows a red "Submit" button here.



Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 
SeaMonkey/2.46


Site also appears to work in all my Firefox versions. I did not do 
extensive testing.

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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 20-04-17 07:27:



Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page does
not show a Send button with SeaMonkey.  While spoofing Firefox, it only
shows a thin red rectangle.  I sent a plain E-mail message to their
customer service.  They replied:

We use Windows 10 and Google Chrome and are [sic] feedback page does
show a submit button at the bottom in red

The illiteracy -- "are" instead of "our" -- is quite telling.  I wonder
if Baja Fresh's customer service is not in the U.S.


So they say: We test our site, only, with Google-Chrome - If you don't
use Google-Chrome - GO AWAY ! :-)


A common bone-headded view. However I see the submit button on both 
contact forms Win10 SM 2.46 and  general.useragent.compatMode.firefox=true


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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Danny Kile]

Daniel wrote:

On 20/04/2017 6:45 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Yeap!! Long time ago, I came across the saying "When you do something,
do it once, do it well, and move on!"

Sort of been my motto!

If web sites were correctly coded, or sniffed correctly, these problems
would not be a bother.



So maybe you can tell me this why do they need to sniff at all? Why do 
they need to know who's browser is used. Make the website work with all 
browsers, is that not possible?


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Re: AOL Sending (Again) Challenges SM 2.46 Win 10 Pro

[GérardJan]

On 04/20/2017 12:41 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

bo1953 wrote:


Hello all,

Back with similar challenge as per my earlier post about AOL mail...

I now receive the following message:

The message could not be sent because the connection to Outgoing
server (SMTP) smtp.aol.com was lost in the middle of the transaction.
Try again.

I do believe my outgoing server settings are correct (or are they):

Server Name: smtp.aol.com
Port: 587
User Name: bo1953 @ V. net
Authentication Method: Normal password
Connection Security: SSL/TLS


Your connection security for outgoing mails should be: STARTTLS


Thoughts, suggestions, input - please.


Have you tried port 465? That's what they told me to do when I migrated, and 
it works fine. Of course, I kept my Verizon address, and for that the SMTP 
server is smtp.verizon.net.





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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[Daniel]

On 20/04/2017 3:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/19/2017 8:55 PM, NFN Smith wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Is not "Advertise Firefox compatibility" not working for you?


In any case, merely having Gecko will not suffice.  I just encountered a
Web site that works completely only with Chrome.




what site?

Smith



Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page does
not show a Send button with SeaMonkey.  While spoofing Firefox, it only
shows a thin red rectangle.  I sent a plain E-mail message to their
customer service.  They replied:


Going to either the General Feedback and Store Feedback pages, I see 
"Submit" buttons even before I filled anything out. I believe I have 
"Advertise Firefox Compatibility" de-selected.


WFM!

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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[Daniel]

On 20/04/2017 8:05 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/19/17 5:39 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:

There are a lot of Mozilla based browsers around, waht if all of them
would just use Gecko -nn- in the user agent string?

Now we have to disguise SeaMonkey as Firefox  to get certain web sites
as Google to work properly, perhaps just using Gecko -nn- on all
Mozilla browsers incl. Firefox could solve this problem.

Would it cause any adverse effects?



How about just Mozilla/5.0, since all browsers user agent strings begin
with that.

The user agent string for Vivaldi.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko)
Chrome/57.0.2987.138 Safari/537.36 Vivaldi/1.8.770.56

Yeah, I thought about this a long time ago, Walt, but as we all 
(including MSIE) Mozilla/5.0, why then bother to sniff at all??


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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Daniel]

On 20/04/2017 6:45 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:


Yes this their fault - a great number of webmasters are doing the
same fault. It is faster and easier to change the default UA string
to FireFox than convincing ALL webmasters to change their coding. But
most of the time, they don't want to change their coding and more ...
they don't know what "Gecko" is, because they sniff for a Browser,
"Gecko"  IS NOT a browser. Additionally, if the default UA is
FireFox, we don't need anymore extra plugins or fiddling.


Depends how they do their sniffing. Some sites reject "Firefox/49.0
SeaMonkey/2.46" while accepting "Firefox/49.0" -- presumably because the
first contains something /besides/ "Firefox." But the whole idea of a
coder tripling his effort by writing multiple custom-tailored versions
of his code and sniffing for the user's browser seems so stupid to me

Yeap!! Long time ago, I came across the saying "When you do something, 
do it once, do it well, and move on!"


Sort of been my motto!

If web sites were correctly coded, or sniffed correctly, these problems 
would not be a bother.


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Daniel]

On 20/04/2017 2:26 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Richmond wrote on 19-04-17 10:58:

Ray_Net wrote:

Danny Kile wrote on 18-04-17 17:37:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user prefbar or
another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain
Firefox one for google it works. Please complain to them.
FRG

That was it - thanks. UA override added, complaint filed.  -JW

I override my UA with:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/45.0

This resolved the problem thank you to all that replied. To whom did
you file the complaint with? URL or address would be great.

Thank you

Therefore SM must use this UA as the default one - THEN WE NEVER
ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS !


I disagree with that, because it would not be correctly identifying the
browser.



Who's care ? Nobody knows SeaMonkey - and they don't want to know 

Tell me WHY SM must identify itself as SM ? .. when a lot of SM people
change the UA string reflecting ONLY as Firfox.
If the default UA string will be "Firefox" only...
A. There is no need to fiddle changing the UA string.
B. All site sniffing wrongly ... will work correctly.

AND

Due to the fact that:
1. Webmaster checks only for IE,Google/Chrome, Opera and FireFox but
NEVER for SeaMonkey
2. And due to the fact the coding for SeaMonkey Must be IDENTICAL for
Firefox.
SM must present his browser as a Firefox browser.


Hey, Ray, if you are in favour of SeaMonkey giving up the battle with 
self-identification, I'm guessing you also agree with the Basque peoples 
giving up their battle for self-identification!!


What about the French-speaking, mostly Walloon population, of the 
Kingdom of Belgium?? Should they just join the Dutch-speaking, mostly 
Flemish community, which constitutes about 59% of the population of 
Belgium?? Or should they fight, fight, fight to become part of the 
French Nation?? Or become a totally independent nation like the Basque 
peoples fought for so long for??


Same Same SeaMonkey!!

--
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:


Yes this their fault - a great number of webmasters are doing the
same fault. It is faster and easier to change the default UA string
to FireFox than convincing ALL webmasters to change their coding. But
most of the time, they don't want to change their coding and more ...
they don't know what "Gecko" is, because they sniff for a Browser,
"Gecko"  IS NOT a browser. Additionally, if the default UA is
FireFox, we don't need anymore extra plugins or fiddling.


Depends how they do their sniffing. Some sites reject "Firefox/49.0 
SeaMonkey/2.46" while accepting "Firefox/49.0" -- presumably because the 
first contains something /besides/ "Firefox." But the whole idea of a 
coder tripling his effort by writing multiple custom-tailored versions 
of his code and sniffing for the user's browser seems so stupid to me


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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[Ray_Net]

David E. Ross wrote on 20-04-17 07:27:

On 4/19/2017 8:55 PM, NFN Smith wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Is not "Advertise Firefox compatibility" not working for you?


In any case, merely having Gecko will not suffice.  I just encountered a
Web site that works completely only with Chrome.



what site?

Smith


Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page does
not show a Send button with SeaMonkey.  While spoofing Firefox, it only
shows a thin red rectangle.  I sent a plain E-mail message to their
customer service.  They replied:

We use Windows 10 and Google Chrome and are [sic] feedback page does
show a submit button at the bottom in red

The illiteracy -- "are" instead of "our" -- is quite telling.  I wonder
if Baja Fresh's customer service is not in the U.S.

So they say: We test our site, only, with Google-Chrome - If you don't 
use Google-Chrome - GO AWAY ! :-)

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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Ray_Net]

Richmond wrote on 19-04-17 20:14:

Ray_Net wrote:

I disagree with that, because it would not be correctly identifying the
browser.



Who's care ? Nobody knows SeaMonkey - and they don't want to know 

Tell me WHY SM must identify itself as SM ? .. when a lot of SM people
change the UA string reflecting ONLY as Firfox.
If the default UA string will be "Firefox" only...
A. There is no need to fiddle changing the UA string.
B. All site sniffing wrongly ... will work correctly.

AND

Due to the fact that:
1. Webmaster checks only for IE,Google/Chrome, Opera and FireFox but
NEVER for SeaMonkey
2. And due to the fact the coding for SeaMonkey Must be IDENTICAL for
Firefox.
SM must present his browser as a Firefox browser.


I am not saying you shouldn't change it if you want to. I have prefs bar
and I change it myself sometimes. I can't remember why.

I am just saying that the point of the User Agent String is to identify
the user agent. So the default setting should be Seamonkey, because
that's what it is. If the web authors can't be bothered to check it
properly it is their fault, not the fault of the browser.

Yes this their fault - a great number of webmasters are doing the same 
fault.
It is faster and easier to change the default UA string to FireFox than 
convincing ALL webmasters to change their coding.
But most of the time, they don't want to change their coding and more 
... they don't know what "Gecko" is, because they sniff for a Browser, 
"Gecko"  IS NOT a browser.
Additionally, if the default UA is FireFox, we don't need anymore extra 
plugins or fiddling.


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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Earlier this evening, I wrote:


On my machine, the page 
shows a Captcha at bottom, and below that what appears to be the top
edge of their red "Submit" button (cf.
), but not enough of it
that it's clickable -- just as you say. I tried filling all required
fields, that didn't help.


On second thought, that sliver may be clickable after all. The "Submit" 
button at  doesn't trigger a 
cursor change from a pointer to a hand as most links do, but it works 
nevertheless, via a javascript. The red sliver you see also appears to 
be clickable in the same way -- I tested by leaving the entire form 
blank and ignoring the Captcha and just clicking it, and the site 
responded by telling me I needed to enter my first name.


It's still poor design (they hard-coded the height of the box containing 
all their fillable fields and made it too small), but if your objective 
is functionality, you may have it after all.


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Re: What if all Mozilla browsers would just use Gecko in the user agent string?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


Baja Fresh at .  The "Contact Us" page
does not show a Send button with SeaMonkey. While spoofing Firefox,
it only shows a thin red rectangle.


On my machine, the page  
shows a Captcha at bottom, and below that what appears to be the top 
edge of their red "Submit" button (cf. 
), but not enough of it that 
it's clickable -- just as you say. I tried filling all required fields, 
that didn't help.



I sent a plain E-mail message to their customer service. They
replied:


We use Windows 10 and Google Chrome and are [sic] feedback page
does show a submit button at the bottom in red


The illiteracy -- "are" instead of "our" -- is quite telling.  I
wonder if Baja Fresh's customer service is not in the U.S.


Plenty of Americans are illiterate, too. Sorry, without additional 
evidence, that's no proof of anything.


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