with
the Firefox 3.5.x updates, the next one is 2.0.1 and scheduled for
December 15 or 16.
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David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/2/2009 8:13 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
Of course, 2.0.x updates will come roughly every 6-8 weeks, in sync with
the Firefox 3.5.x updates, the next one is 2.0.1 and scheduled for
December 15 or 16.
Will any bugs pecurliar to SeaMonkey be fixed? Will any bugs be fixed
is YES, YES, and YES, if you compare to SeaMonkey 2.0 final,
and that's what counts in the end, right?
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know good ways to
solve them. Still, please don't expect miracles from us. We're producing
the best software we can with our relatively small team, but we know it
might not be good enough for everybody - still we hope it is for most of
you.
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on this!
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each to work on this. We are a very small team of people only working on
anything SeaMonkey in their free time next to having a completely
different day job, you know.
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be improved - help is wanted, as
always).
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in SeaMonkey 2.0, from all we know, and we're working on
improving that situation further in the future.
From all we know, using 2.0 is safer in terms of profile data than
1.1.18 - that is, once your data is migrated over, which works fine for
many people, but unfortunately not everyone. :-/
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Ray_Net wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
For the question:
Will any bugs pecurliar to SeaMonkey be fixed? Will any bugs be fixed
other than security bugs? Will any bugs be fixed other than those fixed
in Gecko for Firefox?
The answer is NO only the already fixed in current
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including developers, of course.
Oh, and I was under the impression that this pref is set to true by
default, but I might be wrong, like every so often.
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Phillip Jones schrieb:
As you are an applications Developer, you will never
think like a user.
I'm more of a user than a developer, actually. Still, primarily I'm a
project manager, then a user, and sometimes I might peek into
development for a bit.
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or so.
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Phillip Jones schrieb:
I haven't either. never has come up for me. (Mac OSX.4.11)
Mac by default is set to use progress windows instead of the download
manager, that might play into this.
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be, IMHO.
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experience a bit smoother with those.
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We more or less can be happy that import still works in the Mozilla
1.9.1.x code we are using in SeaMonkey 2.0.x.
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John wrote:
All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18
and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open. That would suggest
that there is a problem moving between the two.
What does iTunes have to do with SeaMonkey upgrades?
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your
rudeness of writing all-caps messages).
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John Boyle wrote:
Plus the TOTAL LACK of COMMON
SENSE IS SO APPARENT
Right, it is in your message.
I will start to read your messages again when you start to use
common-sense reasoning and non-all-caps messaging.
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Tom Pamin wrote:
2.0 is not an option for me, like many others, until the Form Manager is
returned.
And 1.1.x isn't really supported on Vista or Win7. Go figure.
Perhaps you should at least give the 2.0 form management a try?
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Philip Chee wrote:
Oops. Perhaps I should be clearer. The code removed was the ability to
read and hence migrate the old (mork) History format.
That's wrong. Sorry, but the browsing history still can be read in 1.9.2
from all I know. Only download history can't.
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the old design overall). What
I'm missing in all that discussion is constructive ideas how to make it
really good. The only suggested option I heard so far is killing the
progress windows completely, and I think that would make more people
unhappy than the current design.
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Phillip Jones wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Perhaps you should at least give the 2.0 form management a try?
There isn't none to speak of, without the aid of an extension.
Wrong. There is form *management*, even if there isn't an explicit
window for it. The functionality to remember text
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Benoit Renard wrote:
Everyone suggested to bring the regular buttons back, as everyone agrees
that that is better than tiny round buttons stashed to the right.
Wrong. EOM.
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with crapwork!
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John Boyle wrote:
To Robert Kaiser: Sorry for the ALL Caps, but what I have said has been
demonstrated by MANY complaints on both this newsgroups and the support
lists! You just have NOT wanted to admit that FACT! :-(
Apology taken, but still I haven't seen reports of anything being
provable
John wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything?
Absoultely
That one word doesn't make evidence.
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problem, help
testing our work or actually helping to develop fixes to bugs or
eventually even new features. Please remember that and show those people
the respect they deserve for trying to make things work well - even if
they are not successful in every single instance.
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Rufus wrote:
Just bring back what was - that was a good design.
In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my
life, design-wise.
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set of changes over 2.0 proper.
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Rufus wrote:
As far as the Download Manager went
We're talking about progress windows here, not the download manager.
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that unless you are crazy and are trying to use the same
custom location for both the 1.x and the 2.0 profile.
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know you accuse us of being that but your messages consist
of exactly the style you accuse us of) and you'll wonder how helpful the
community here can be.
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imply from that that you will write up the code to do
what you proposed, right?
You know, the only way things get done in our project is due to someone
volunteering his free time to actually work on it. Everything else is
hot air.
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Phillip Jones wrote:
EOM ???
End Of Message.
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, though I thought that was something
most people learn e.g. in the Army. Perhaps it was the Navy where people
learned the really useful things in life, then.
Let's discuss real facts once your blood has stopped Boyling, OK?
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John Boyle wrote:
To Mark Hansen: Seems you are infected with the same disease as Robert
Kaiser!
It's an interesting world where everyone but yourself is losing his/her
mind and have a disease, right?
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to go all the way to M$IE and O/OE??
You haven't understood what he said. All he seems to want is to annoy
us, so he comes up with the most insane variant.
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and standard group dynamic applies, after all.
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Benoit Renard wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Rufus wrote:
Just bring back what was - that was a good design.
In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my
life, design-wise.
Why are you so adamant on keeping your crap over other people's crap
when you don't even use
how SeaMonkey, the whole open source
movement, and actually, most of our modern society work.
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of the profiles we find in the profile
manager in a plain-text file names profiles.ini, which can be edited
along with renaming the directory, if you want to do so.
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John Boyle wrote:
To Robert Kaiser: Then, you start, by explaining how, on earth, does one
migrate ones Addressbooks intact to SM2, in detail, PLEASE!???
First, it would probably be better to start a new thread for this, as it
becomes hard to find buried in that quite badly named thread it's
://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513691
Also, could you take a look on the proposal that was attached there? It
has a possible way of improivng the situation, and I'd like more
opinions on the way this goes.
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rudely do support even that).
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position that you really need to start up clean
because your data is lost, you should try to do that on 2.0.1 though, so
that you don't need to upgrade from 1.x to 2.x another time later on.
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Jens Hatlak wrote:
Update: They just removed the ability to import the old form history format:
Probably doesn't touch us much, as we didn't import form history from
1.x in any case, from all I know.
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. If they aren't,
the most convient way to set them is to right-click and create a new
pref right from about:config though ;-)
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Release notes:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.1
System Requirements:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
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customization mode, you can move the home button
out of the toolbar by just dragging it around with the mouse.
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it is surely wanted!
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functionality in 2.0 that also zooms images now?
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documentation for other users, or even in developing add-ons and the
application itself!
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be good now until about the year 2014.
Congratulations!
I probably just need to realize there are people who give a sh*t about
using secure software. ;-)
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zone, usually somewhat after 3pm in that time zone.
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Phillip Jones wrote:
I've read they are supposed to be getting away from src 's and strictly
addons .
True, but that needs the new format to be supported in SeaMonkey first,
and we are not there yet.
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Bill Davidsen wrote:
I think most users would agree that correct behavior is to ask when it's
needed, and not at any random times.
Even developers agree on that - the real problem is how to get the
current infrastructure to do that.
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.complete.mar 3 MB larger?
Different compression, the installer uses 7zip, the MAR format is
defined with some less efficient compression format (don't know it by
heart).
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Phillip Jones wrote:
Image zoom only affect images making them larger or smaller.
Ah, OK, didn't know that.
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John Boyle wrote:
To Robert Kaiser: Well, I had a man I trust come and clean out the
mangled internet situation, and reinstalled 1.1.18, and downloaded 2.0.
Now, before I do anything , I wanted to let you know I have almost
nothing on this reconstituted version. Would everything transfer over
Paul wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Paul wrote:
John wrote:
Just re installed 1.1.18 and all the problems I had with SM2.0
vanished. It was really annoying using SM2.0 it kept asking for a
username password for email accounts. ugly.
I used Netscape 4.08 until a year ago, then went
to SM 1117
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rewrote the whole installer and
OS handling code. And the internal update function doesn't even use the
installer. ;-)
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Check For Updates... function.
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support the same mechanism for extensions to put new elements
there - you just probably haven't installed any extension that does it.
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with the KompoZer team soon.
Again, I suspect that it is moot, AND I did not know where else to
report it.
If it still happens in SeaMonkey 2.0 Composer, it's probably not moot,
the place to report it at is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
Robert Kaiser
.
I mean you have a person to
come up with a replacement in the form of an add on. Get him to added it
in SeaMonkey.
You're welcome to help and take that part of getting him to add it in
SeaMonkey, we'd all be happy about it.
Robert Kaiser
, select Customize... and then, in the customization view,
drag the Bookmarks button out of the toolbar.
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of this year. But what it needs to get done is someone to do the work,
suggestions and rants alone are not enough.
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users.
In terms of SeaMonkey 2, those decisions were in a few cases between
letting the project as a whole die or replacing some old feature with a
new feature that works differently. How would you decide in such a
situation?
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John wrote:
very poor choice--a well designed program would not require that kind of
work.
Fully agreed, and as a volunteer project we like any help we can get to
actually work on improving that design.
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Still, it's interesting to know that your problem doesn't appear there.
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to work on it, and
right now, all I have seen is talk and not deeds.
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said that what you work on is not in the
slightest way related with the Internet. In this place, a few weeks or
months can mean life or death for a software project.
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in a further version, e.g. 2.1 (not
that we cannot change any strings in 2.0.x for localization reasons).
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Rufus schrieb:
Oh - and with 2.0.1, the previous grayed out empty items in my
Bookmarks list under 2.0 went away.
We fixed that Mac-specific bug in the update, yes. I think we even
mentioned that in the release notes.
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as about:config is better nowadays). And the masses also
should not ever need to touch about:config as well, everything a normal
mass-user should need to look into is the graphical preferences window.
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Bookmarks, but that could be too little precise.
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knowledge so probably
pretty advanded anyhow. And about:config is already hidden, you only get
it by entering it manually and acknowleding a warning (though people
didn't understand the warning wanting to be somewhat funny).
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be unique to the Default Theme as the Modern theme doesn't exhibit this
behavior.
I'm pretty sure there is a Bugzilla entry for this, it comes up
randomly, it seems. I wonder if the rework of the bookmark system (which
we should do for 2.1) will be able to help, but not really sure.
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storing
formats. But then, anyone editing configuration files manually is
probably not the masses, as you state. ;-)
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display is you use the Open File... menu within Seamonkey. !?!??!
Very odd ... Any clues?
This is known and will be fixed in the 2.0.2 update.
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. If that happens (and it's
somewhat likely), then the planned February update that will contain
this fix will be renamed to 2.0.3 - but it still majorly depends on
finding a fix for the mail compose freeze that affects many Windows users.
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Rick Merrill wrote:
Is there a workaround for this? e.g. by changing an extension
association in the registry?
No, this needs a code fix.
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bdiver wrote:
The seamonkey lock up has happened many times since I upgraded to
2.01, is there is fix or something I'm doing wrong?
See third point in
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.1/#issues
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Ray_Net wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
bdiver wrote:
The seamonkey lock up has happened many times since I upgraded to
2.01, is there is fix or something I'm doing wrong?
See third point in
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.1/#issues
Thanks Robert for this usefull link
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capability on both platforms for storage of such information?
Feel free to write a patch, our software is all open source!
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the actual problem you're having and what's not
decent in SM2 for that matter?
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are completely different to
interface with.
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chicagofan schrieb:
A blank message serves no purpose but to annoy other people who come
to this support forum looking for help with their problems.
Right, and that's why my reply to the OP is just as useless. no
content probably even deserves no reply at all. :P
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platform
would not have supported profile switching at all, and to even get it in
SeaMonkey 2 at all we needed to emulate it in a way that actually
restarts the whole application, even if that restart might be faster
than a normal application start.
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