Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: You are getting a timeout because Verizon *killed* NNTP news service for its subscribers last year. You can blame New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo [1] for that. Other major ISPs did as well, notably ATT. Can you supply any links from reliable sources explaining that? I'm not in NY, so I didn't get the memo, but I'm in line for Verizon FiOS, so I may be at risk if what you're saying is true. Sure. Google is your friend. (You didn't believe me...lol) http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86938/verizon-quits-free-usenet-access-sep-30th/ This one is not so clear. First, it talks about Usenet, which AFAIK Mozilla news is not. Second, it says specifically to the alt.bin and alt.bain newsgroup hierarchies that provide actual data files, which doesn't cover us either. Well, okay, I guess access to the mozilla.* isn't affected - but that's only a couple dozen groups. What VZ, ATT, Comcast, etc have done is they have closed down their *own* servers that mirrors the mumble-thousand of Usenet groups. http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2008/06/15/verizon_shuts_down_access_to_usenet This one is clearer, mentioning innocuous tech support groups by name. If the ISPs get enough complaints, they'll tailor their restrictions narrowly as they should have in the first place. We complained bitterly (see ATT below). Remember, we are among the 'less-than-2%' of ISP subscribers who even know what a newsgroup is. It's a very small voice, and it didn't work. ..many more. Google for: verizon cuomo usenet He did it to ATT, Comcast, and others. Not just New York; the ISPs removed it nationwide. There will be no Usenet access with your FiOS. You're not 'at risk.' Just go get a free account at eternal-september.org or a €10/year account at news.individual.net which is very reliable. I never realized my ISP was even a party to these transactions; I thought they were just a common carrier that transmitted whatever data I sent or requested. Now, I don't go in for kiddie porn, but if I wanted to download perfectly legal adult material I don't see what business of theirs it would be. You can still go download pr0n, even kiddie pr0n if you want. You just ain't gonna get it from any server Verizon owns. The binary groups are still there, humming along nicely I suppose. All that was killed was the major ISP access via their servers. There is an unmentioned point here (but since you're looking for details) and that is the Cuomo Crusade gave the ISPs the *EXCUSE* to shut down their NNTP server farms, and *save a lot* of money, while blaming it all on the politically-ambitious NY AG. Nowhere in any of any ISP's publications did they publically admit this. I was an ATT Worldnet subscriber until mid-2008. Our internal newsgroups (support, user-to-user support, general...) were staffed by employees. Keeping friendly watch on us chickens, so to speak. In private email, they told me it was the perfect reason for them to just pull the entire plug on providing Usenet for anyone. The ATT guy said they would now save somewhere around 4 Terrabytes per day in bandwidth as well (the entire Usenet). If all you care about are the mozilla groups, you're in great shape. I thought you were interested in Usenet as well. Oh, and speaking of small voices, the nearly two million Worldnet subscribers are losing everything except their email on March 31st. Worldnet itself is going away. They must migrate their email to other ATT brands (att.yahoo.com f'r ex) and give up their dialup access, personal web pages et al. I apologize for the length. Tried eternal-September and just timed out. I removed it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Phillip Jones wrote: Tried eternal-September and just timed out. I removed it. Did you get any error messages? How about some details? I've been using e-s for about two years, and it is rare that it is down. Perhaps you have an incorrect setting, or made a typo in your password. -- -bts -Sent via Eternal-September news server ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Tried eternal-September and just timed out. I removed it. Did you get any error messages? How about some details? I've been using e-s for about two years, and it is rare that it is down. Perhaps you have an incorrect setting, or made a typo in your password. No it just kept looking and looking and looking and just timed out. I may try again I had it typed in as was in messages here maybe they were typed wrong. Only message came up was *Server timed out*. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Tried eternal-September and just timed out. I removed it. Did you get any error messages? How about some details? I've been using e-s for about two years, and it is rare that it is down. Perhaps you have an incorrect setting, or made a typo in your password. No it just kept looking and looking and looking and just timed out. I may try again I had it typed in as was in messages here maybe they were typed wrong. Only message came up was *Server timed out*. You can see the server status at this page, where a green board indicates it is up and working: http://www.eternal-september.org/serverstatus.php?language=en Server settings for your newsreader are here: http://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=techinfo Check and make sure you've got them (and your password from the email) set correctly. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Tried eternal-September and just timed out. I removed it. Did you get any error messages? How about some details? I've been using e-s for about two years, and it is rare that it is down. Perhaps you have an incorrect setting, or made a typo in your password. No it just kept looking and looking and looking and just timed out. I may try again I had it typed in as was in messages here maybe they were typed wrong. Only message came up was *Server timed out*. You can see the server status at this page, where a green board indicates it is up and working: http://www.eternal-september.org/serverstatus.php?language=en Server settings for your newsreader are here: http://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=techinfo Check and make sure you've got them (and your password from the email) set correctly. I entered everything again, and this time was able to get the Eternal-September roup up and Running first with the 6 unauthenticated group. and I signed up received my password. Curious though I've already run across 5 pieces of spam. and Annexcafe is also authenticated as well. I've yet to get a piece os Spam on Annexcafe. And I've been on it for about 7-8 years Wonder what the difference is. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to? (to all who responded)
Frog wrote: I now understand why my news.verizon.net account is no longer working. QUESTION-Should I delete this account from my system? I think the answer is yes...as clicking this account only takes me to a time out message. Yes, why not? It doesn't exist! -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Phillip Jones wrote: I entered everything again, and this time was able to get the Eternal-September roup up and Running first with the 6 unauthenticated group. and I signed up received my password. Hey good. You're in. Curious though I've already run across 5 pieces of spam. and Annexcafe is also authenticated as well. I've yet to get a piece os Spam on Annexcafe. And I've been on it for about 7-8 years I'll bet the spam was all from google groups users. Filter out that source. http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ Check SeaMonkey in the left menu. Whether a news server is 'authenticated' has nothing to do with spam. Google groups is not, and the spammers have automated software doing their posting for them -- and google doesn't care. All I know about annexcafe is what boaterdave spews in dozens of Usenet groups. I don't care about it. Sorry. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I entered everything again, and this time was able to get the Eternal-September roup up and Running first with the 6 unauthenticated group. and I signed up received my password. Hey good. You're in. Curious though I've already run across 5 pieces of spam. and Annexcafe is also authenticated as well. I've yet to get a piece os Spam on Annexcafe. And I've been on it for about 7-8 years I'll bet the spam was all from google groups users. Filter out that source. http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ Check SeaMonkey in the left menu. Whether a news server is 'authenticated' has nothing to do with spam. Google groups is not, and the spammers have automated software doing their posting for them -- and google doesn't care. All I know about annexcafe is what boaterdave spews in dozens of Usenet groups. I don't care about it. Sorry. I'm only subscribed to two groups on Annexcafe and they are excellent. One is computer support group. The other is similar to what Mozilla Test Multimedia before it was annihilated. the owner of the server is rather strict so far as spam goes. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Frog wrote: By accounts I am referring to sites similar to the following (the three that I currently have on my system): microsoft.public.windowsxp.general-- newsgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey -- newsgroup news.verizon.net -- news *SERVER* .. The news.verizon.net is, however, a mystery--Verizon is my ISP. When looking at the SeaMonkey mail window I do the following: Click Go I click news.verison.net [SIC] in the drop down window that appearsa window titled Subscription opens and it appears that my computer is attempting to connect to Verizon. After a short time, a new window opens with the following comment--Connection to server news.verizon.net timed out. The subscription window does not list any news groups that I can subscribe to. You are getting a timeout because Verizon *killed* NNTP news service for its subscribers last year. You can blame New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo [1] for that. Other major ISPs did as well, notably ATT. I was thinking that there must be thousands, if not millions, of such sites on the Internet. I thought maybe there would be ones for genealogy--bird watching--travel, etc. As I have likely stated on this group before, I am retired and attempting to keep my mind busy learning new things. Thousands of newsgroups, yes (not millions). And, to clarify, they are not sites, they are Usenet Newsgroups. Not the WWW. OK. I think I understand. Once I have a Mozilla account established on my system--I can have any number of Mozilla subscriptions under this Mozilla account. You've found how to subscribe to the Mozilla news server. Now you'll want to add a general server for the rest. Have a look at the free Eternal September server. Register from here: http://www.eternal-september.org/ [1. Perish the thought - he's probably going to be our *governor* next year. spit ] -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
On 3/19/2010 10:05 PM, Frog wrote: I understand about subscribing to other Mozilla newsgroups listed under the Mozilla account on my system. I also have an account on my system for Microsoft. Lets say that I wanted to establish an account for genealogy--where do I find server addresses for this subject? I made a quick review of the two web sites you referenced above. Because of the time (1 AM), I will explore both sites in more depth tomorrow--I'm about to go to sleep. Frog I much prefer the news reader interface for reading news groups (such as the reader provided by SeaMonkey). However, it seems to be going by the wayside, and many new news sites are popping up using a web-based interface. By the way, my ISP provides a fairly complete list of usenet news groups in their news server, and I found several alt.birdwatching. groups. Perhaps you just need to get a real general-purpose news server, as Daniel suggests. Good luck. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Frog wrote: On 3/19/2010 4:44 PM, Frog wrote: I am currently subscribed to three accounts (established when I purchased my computer). I would like to subscribe to others such groups like genealogy, bird watching, traveling, etc, I don't know how to access a complete listing of all possible groups that one can subscribe to. By accounts I am referring to sites similar to the following (the three that I currently have on my system): microsoft.public.windowsxp.general mozilla.support.seamonkey news.verizon.net Verizon does not have news groups. mozilla is limited to mozilla subjects (mostly) microsoft is limited to MS subjects (mostly) There are over 100,000 news groups but your news service has to carry those groups. If you want to participate, you will have to find free or open news servers or pay for news server access. Put this into Google: newsgroups ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Mark Hansen wrote: Frog wrote: By accounts I am referring to sites similar to the following (the three that I currently have on my system): microsoft.public.windowsxp.general mozilla.support.seamonkey news.verizon.net Fine. Those are news group server accounts. No, the first two are newsgroups. The third, the verizon server, was discontinued/service cut off in 2009. Perhaps they need authentication or a different port number, etc. Are you sure that news.verizon.net even exists? She's dead, Jim. Please see my post from 7 hours earler. your IPS's [ISP's] From your other post: However, it seems to be going by the wayside, and many new news sites are popping up using a web-based interface. E! Web forums! spit ;-) -- -bts -Usenet is not dead! I saw it today. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
On 3/20/2010 9:50 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: Frog wrote: By accounts I am referring to sites similar to the following (the three that I currently have on my system): microsoft.public.windowsxp.general mozilla.support.seamonkey news.verizon.net Fine. Those are news group server accounts. No, the first two are newsgroups. Uggg. Of course, you're correct. I looked at the last one and imagined they were all news group accounts :( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: You are getting a timeout because Verizon *killed* NNTP news service for its subscribers last year. You can blame New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo [1] for that. Other major ISPs did as well, notably ATT. Can you supply any links from reliable sources explaining that? I'm not in NY, so I didn't get the memo, but I'm in line for Verizon FiOS, so I may be at risk if what you're saying is true. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: You are getting a timeout because Verizon *killed* NNTP news service for its subscribers last year. You can blame New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo [1] for that. Other major ISPs did as well, notably ATT. Can you supply any links from reliable sources explaining that? I'm not in NY, so I didn't get the memo, but I'm in line for Verizon FiOS, so I may be at risk if what you're saying is true. Sure. Google is your friend. (You didn't believe me... lol) http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86938/verizon-quits-free-usenet-access-sep-30th/ http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2008/06/15/verizon_shuts_down_access_to_usenet ..many more. Google for: verizon cuomo usenet He did it to ATT, Comcast, and others. Not just New York; the ISPs removed it nationwide. There will be no Usenet access with your FiOS. Of course, the whole thing was a sham. He's looking to be Governor next year, and probably president soon after. I saved the U.S. from child pornography!!! But did it stop anyone who wants CP? No, they just signed up with Giganews or somebody and continued on their merry way. You're not 'at risk.' Just go get a free account at eternal-september.org or a €10/year account at news.individual.net which is very reliable. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: You are getting a timeout because Verizon *killed* NNTP news service for its subscribers last year. You can blame New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo [1] for that. Other major ISPs did as well, notably ATT. Can you supply any links from reliable sources explaining that? I'm not in NY, so I didn't get the memo, but I'm in line for Verizon FiOS, so I may be at risk if what you're saying is true. Sure. Google is your friend. (You didn't believe me... lol) http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86938/verizon-quits-free-usenet-access-sep-30th/ This one is not so clear. First, it talks about Usenet, which AFAIK Mozilla news is not. Second, it says specifically to the alt.bin and alt.bain newsgroup hierarchies that provide actual data files, which doesn't cover us either. http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2008/06/15/verizon_shuts_down_access_to_usenet This one is clearer, mentioning innocuous tech support groups by name. If the ISPs get enough complaints, they'll tailor their restrictions narrowly as they should have in the first place. ..many more. Google for: verizon cuomo usenet He did it to ATT, Comcast, and others. Not just New York; the ISPs removed it nationwide. There will be no Usenet access with your FiOS. ... You're not 'at risk.' Just go get a free account at eternal-september.org or a €10/year account at news.individual.net which is very reliable. I never realized my ISP was even a party to these transactions; I thought they were just a common carrier that transmitted whatever data I sent or requested. Now, I don't go in for kiddie porn, but if I wanted to download perfectly legal adult material I don't see what business of theirs it would be. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Frog wrote: Thanks again JAS for helping me. It seems that you along with Mark came to my aid only a few days ago. JAS wrote: Frog wrote: I am currently subscribed to three accounts (established when I purchased my computer). I would like to subscribe to others such groups like genealogy, bird watching, traveling, etc, I don't know how to access a complete listing of all possible groups that one can subscribe to. When I click File (on the SeaMonkey Mail page)open Subscribe--I can only see the three Accounts that are currently subscribed to on my system. Should I be able to (somehow) access the complete listing from this window? Is there some place on the web that will help me with this subject? Also, I think I will have to establish a new entry in the Mail Newsgroups Account Settings for each group I subscribe to--is that correct? I know that the answers to my questions are located someplace on the Internet--but where? Thanks for any information sent my way on this subject. Windows XP Pro SP3 -- both SeaMonkey 1.1.18 and 2.0.3 Frog If you mean the different accounts in news.mozilla.org you can left click on the Bold name and select manage subscriptions and then click on mozilla to see what they have. If you want microsoft sites go to edit- mail and newsgroups-add new news account- put msnews.microsoft.com port 119 . You might also look here http://www.annexcafe.com/ or here http://shrunklink.com/eiay I understand about subscribing to other Mozilla newsgroups listed under the Mozilla account on my system. I also have an account on my system for Microsoft. Lets say that I wanted to establish an account for genealogy--where do I find server addresses for this subject? I made a quick review of the two web sites you referenced above. Because of the time (1 AM), I will explore both sites in more depth tomorrow--I'm about to go to sleep. Frog Hi Frog, Read up a bit on Usenet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet Most of the groups you are looking for are accessible via Usenet. As Beau has explained, most ISP's have dropped newsgroup support. I am fortunate in that Cox retains newsgroups, though they are outsourced. The Mozilla Support groups you are seeing now are not a part of Usenet. They can only be accessed s newsgroups through the news.mozilla.org server, as you are doing now. I don't have any interest in the MS groups, so I won't speak to them. There is no one dedicated server for groups such as Genealogy. These groups are accessible via Usenet. Since you ISP does not provide Usenet access, you will need to find a newsgroup provider. That will allow you to find the groups you want. With the interests you mention, I agree with most, a free server will do the job for you. I have had great success with Eternal-September: http://www.eternal-september.org/ Sign up for a free account, then follow the directions to set it up. YOu will find all kinds of text based groups for your iterest areas. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: You are getting a timeout because Verizon *killed* NNTP news service for its subscribers last year. You can blame New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo [1] for that. Other major ISPs did as well, notably ATT. Can you supply any links from reliable sources explaining that? I'm not in NY, so I didn't get the memo, but I'm in line for Verizon FiOS, so I may be at risk if what you're saying is true. Sure. Google is your friend. (You didn't believe me... lol) http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86938/verizon-quits-free-usenet-access-sep-30th/ This one is not so clear. First, it talks about Usenet, which AFAIK Mozilla news is not. Second, it says specifically to the alt.bin and alt.bain newsgroup hierarchies that provide actual data files, which doesn't cover us either. Well, okay, I guess access to the mozilla.* isn't affected - but that's only a couple dozen groups. What VZ, ATT, Comcast, etc have done is they have closed down their *own* servers that mirrors the mumble-thousand of Usenet groups. http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2008/06/15/verizon_shuts_down_access_to_usenet This one is clearer, mentioning innocuous tech support groups by name. If the ISPs get enough complaints, they'll tailor their restrictions narrowly as they should have in the first place. We complained bitterly (see ATT below). Remember, we are among the 'less-than-2%' of ISP subscribers who even know what a newsgroup is. It's a very small voice, and it didn't work. ..many more. Google for: verizon cuomo usenet He did it to ATT, Comcast, and others. Not just New York; the ISPs removed it nationwide. There will be no Usenet access with your FiOS. You're not 'at risk.' Just go get a free account at eternal-september.org or a €10/year account at news.individual.net which is very reliable. I never realized my ISP was even a party to these transactions; I thought they were just a common carrier that transmitted whatever data I sent or requested. Now, I don't go in for kiddie porn, but if I wanted to download perfectly legal adult material I don't see what business of theirs it would be. You can still go download pr0n, even kiddie pr0n if you want. You just ain't gonna get it from any server Verizon owns. The binary groups are still there, humming along nicely I suppose. All that was killed was the major ISP access via their servers. There is an unmentioned point here (but since you're looking for details) and that is the Cuomo Crusade gave the ISPs the *EXCUSE* to shut down their NNTP server farms, and *save a lot* of money, while blaming it all on the politically-ambitious NY AG. Nowhere in any of any ISP's publications did they publically admit this. I was an ATT Worldnet subscriber until mid-2008. Our internal newsgroups (support, user-to-user support, general...) were staffed by employees. Keeping friendly watch on us chickens, so to speak. In private email, they told me it was the perfect reason for them to just pull the entire plug on providing Usenet for anyone. The ATT guy said they would now save somewhere around 4 Terrabytes per day in bandwidth as well (the entire Usenet). If all you care about are the mozilla groups, you're in great shape. I thought you were interested in Usenet as well. Oh, and speaking of small voices, the nearly two million Worldnet subscribers are losing everything except their email on March 31st. Worldnet itself is going away. They must migrate their email to other ATT brands (att.yahoo.com f'r ex) and give up their dialup access, personal web pages et al. I apologize for the length. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
You're using terminology which I don't completely understand, so my help will be a guess at what you actually mean. I hope this is helpful... On 3/19/2010 4:44 PM, Frog wrote: I am currently subscribed to three accounts (established when I purchased my computer). I would like to subscribe to others such groups like genealogy, bird watching, traveling, etc, I don't know how to access a complete listing of all possible groups that one can subscribe to. I don't know what you mean by Accounts here. Do you mean e-mail accounts? ISP accounts? Perhaps if you could provide us the names of these accounts, it will become clearer. When I click File (on the SeaMonkey Mail page)open Subscribe--I can only see the three Accounts that are currently subscribed to on my system. Should I be able to (somehow) access the complete listing from this window? I'm using SM 1.1.16, but I don't see File - Open - Subscribe. Did you mean File - Subscribe? SM should be managing two types of accounts for you: E-Mail accounts and News Group accounts. When I select my e-mail account (I use an IMAP server), I can subscribe to specific mail boxes within that account. When I select a news server account, I can subscribe to specific news groups within that server. As an example, on news.mozilla.org news server, I have subscribed to the mozilla.support.seamonkey news group (among others). Is there some place on the web that will help me with this subject? This news groups seems fine :) Also, I think I will have to establish a new entry in the Mail Newsgroups Account Settings for each group I subscribe to--is that correct? Not for each news group you subscribe to. You just create a Newsgroup account for the news server (like news.mozilla.org or one provided by your ISP), then you can subscribe to individual news groups provided by that server. I know that the answers to my questions are located someplace on the Internet--but where? Thanks for any information sent my way on this subject. Windows XP Pro SP3 -- both SeaMonkey 1.1.18 and 2.0.3 Frog ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Frog wrote: I am currently subscribed to three accounts (established when I purchased my computer). I would like to subscribe to others such groups like genealogy, bird watching, traveling, etc, I don't know how to access a complete listing of all possible groups that one can subscribe to. When I click File (on the SeaMonkey Mail page)open Subscribe--I can only see the three Accounts that are currently subscribed to on my system. Should I be able to (somehow) access the complete listing from this window? Is there some place on the web that will help me with this subject? Also, I think I will have to establish a new entry in the Mail Newsgroups Account Settings for each group I subscribe to--is that correct? I know that the answers to my questions are located someplace on the Internet--but where? Thanks for any information sent my way on this subject. Windows XP Pro SP3 -- both SeaMonkey 1.1.18 and 2.0.3 Frog If you mean the different accounts in news.mozilla.org you can left click on the Bold name and select manage subscriptions and then click on mozilla to see what they have. If you want microsoft sites go to edit- mail and newsgroups-add new news account- put msnews.microsoft.com port 119 . You might also look here http://www.annexcafe.com/ or here http://shrunklink.com/eiay -- You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the hands of someone else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Thank for the help Mark. It's good to hear from you again. Mark Hansen wrote: You're using terminology which I don't completely understand, so my help will be a guess at what you actually mean. I hope this is helpful... On 3/19/2010 4:44 PM, Frog wrote: I am currently subscribed to three accounts (established when I purchased my computer). I would like to subscribe to others such groups like genealogy, bird watching, traveling, etc, I don't know how to access a complete listing of all possible groups that one can subscribe to. I don't know what you mean by Accounts here. Do you mean e-mail accounts? ISP accounts? Perhaps if you could provide us the names of these accounts, it will become clearer. By accounts I am referring to sites similar to the following (the three that I currently have on my system): microsoft.public.windowsxp.general mozilla.support.seamonkey news.verizon.net I have found the Microsoft and Mozilla groups to be a great place to learn things about my computer and an even greater place find help when I don't know how to solve a problem. The news.verizon.net is, however, a mystery--Verizon is my ISP. When looking at the SeaMonkey mail window I do the following: Click GoI click news.verison.net in the drop down window that appearsa window titled Subscription opens and it appears that my computer is attempting to connect to Verizon. After a short time, a new window opens with the following comment--Connection to server news.verizon.net timed out. The subscription window does not list any news groups that I can subscribe to. I was thinking that there must be thousands, if not millions, of such sites on the Internet. I thought maybe there would be ones for genealogy--bird watching--travel, etc. As I have likely stated on this group before, I am retired and attempting to keep my mind busy learning new things. I hope this clarifies what I was referring to when I used Accounts in my first message. I used accounts simply because each of the three accounts listed above are included under EditMail Newsgroups Account settings... on the SeaMonkey mail window. I called them accounts based on this information. When I click File (on the SeaMonkey Mail page)open Subscribe--I can only see the three Accounts that are currently subscribed to on my system. Should I be able to (somehow) access the complete listing from this window? I'm using SM 1.1.16, but I don't see File - Open - Subscribe. Did you mean File - Subscribe? Yes, FileSubscribe. SM should be managing two types of accounts for you: E-Mail accounts and News Group accounts. That is correct. Included under EditMail Newsgroups Account settings is a fourth Account for my E-Mail. When I select my e-mail account (I use an IMAP server), I can subscribe to specific mail boxes within that account. See comment above. I am unable to connect to the Verizon listing of newsgroups because of a time out problem. When I select a news server account, I can subscribe to specific news groups within that server. As an example, on news.mozilla.org news server, I have subscribed to the mozilla.support.seamonkey news group (among others). I can also access sub news groups under Mozilla and Microsoft. I was looking for some method of accessing other news groups pertaining to other subjects. Is there some place on the web that will help me with this subject? This news groups seems fine :) Also, I think I will have to establish a new entry in the Mail Newsgroups Account Settings for each group I subscribe to--is that correct? Not for each news group you subscribe to. You just create a Newsgroup account for the news server (like news.mozilla.org or one provided by your ISP), then you can subscribe to individual news groups provided by that server. OK. I think I understand. Once I have a Mozilla account established on my system--I can have any number of Mozilla subscriptions under this Mozilla account. I know that the answers to my questions are located someplace on the Internet--but where? Thanks for any information sent my way on this subject. Windows XP Pro SP3 -- both SeaMonkey 1.1.18 and 2.0.3 Frog ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accounts - What is the process for seeing all possible subjects that one can subscribe to?
Thanks again JAS for helping me. It seems that you along with Mark came to my aid only a few days ago. JAS wrote: Frog wrote: I am currently subscribed to three accounts (established when I purchased my computer). I would like to subscribe to others such groups like genealogy, bird watching, traveling, etc, I don't know how to access a complete listing of all possible groups that one can subscribe to. When I click File (on the SeaMonkey Mail page)open Subscribe--I can only see the three Accounts that are currently subscribed to on my system. Should I be able to (somehow) access the complete listing from this window? Is there some place on the web that will help me with this subject? Also, I think I will have to establish a new entry in the Mail Newsgroups Account Settings for each group I subscribe to--is that correct? I know that the answers to my questions are located someplace on the Internet--but where? Thanks for any information sent my way on this subject. Windows XP Pro SP3 -- both SeaMonkey 1.1.18 and 2.0.3 Frog If you mean the different accounts in news.mozilla.org you can left click on the Bold name and select manage subscriptions and then click on mozilla to see what they have. If you want microsoft sites go to edit- mail and newsgroups-add new news account- put msnews.microsoft.com port 119 . You might also look here http://www.annexcafe.com/ or here http://shrunklink.com/eiay I understand about subscribing to other Mozilla newsgroups listed under the Mozilla account on my system. I also have an account on my system for Microsoft. Lets say that I wanted to establish an account for genealogy--where do I find server addresses for this subject? I made a quick review of the two web sites you referenced above. Because of the time (1 AM), I will explore both sites in more depth tomorrow--I'm about to go to sleep. Frog ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
