Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Like many people who don't quite understand the NNTP protocol and equate it to mail or web or mailing list or something they thought up, you are confusing DELETE (move to trash or just erase) with CANCEL (send NNTP CANCEL message, attempt to remove this from every server everywhere). Oddly, people delete mail from their mailbox and don't expect all other cc recipients will lose their copy. That's the way the news reader should work, I don't want to see this headers in the header list any more, I'm not interested. If the message is downloaded, get rid of it. Just like mail. SeaMonkey can take a delete rule in a message filter and not get excited because it's not my message, why can't news work right? The conceptual problem is old, whoever wrote the key bindings bound delete to mean cancel, k to mean throw away this thread, and no obvious way to just throw the message away. I would love to have news work as mail, and add some additional command to actually attempt to sent the CANCEL. News does work right. The fundamental difference between news and mail is that news messages do not belong to you (except of course your own posts). So they are not deleted when you download them (POP3 model), and you have no right to delete them on the server (IMAP model). What you /can/ do is hide them (e.g. by killing the thread or marking them as read), and that's why this group's 11,434 messages look to me like 26. No, the NNTP interface to DELETE is to try to send a CANCEL message, whereas the mail function of DELETE is a local removal to junk or the bit bucket. Having the same key do very different things in news and mail was a bad design decision, and the user can't remap keys because there's no function (unless it's undocumented) to mark a message never show me other than the K function which hides the whole thread. If I were designing this over, I would have a delete subthread capability to hide a post and any reply with a references header including the evil post. I am neither asking for nor offering to write that, just saying that it would be vastly useful for people who hijack threads or deflect the topic. I believe that the functions of news and mail should do the same thing, and that there should be a way to not see something, by erading the headers as well as marking it read. Unless you're a total idiot who constantly posts stupid $#!+ (and I don't think you are), chances are you really don't need to /delete/ all your messages, just the occasional misfire. And a filter isn't the right tool for that, it takes wetware. On the other hand, I would find it convenient to be able to plonk certain writers (or should I say wrongers?) without having to sift through a hundred messages or so every day for their names... And you can do that in a filter before you see the post, once it's read you can only hide all unread. There are reasons for not doing that, too. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Bill Davidsen wrote: Like many people who don't quite understand the NNTP protocol and equate it to mail or web or mailing list or something they thought up, you are confusing DELETE (move to trash or just erase) with CANCEL (send NNTP CANCEL message, attempt to remove this from every server everywhere). Oddly, people delete mail from their mailbox and don't expect all other cc recipients will lose their copy. That's the way the news reader should work, I don't want to see this headers in the header list any more, I'm not interested. If the message is downloaded, get rid of it. Just like mail. SeaMonkey can take a delete rule in a message filter and not get excited because it's not my message, why can't news work right? The conceptual problem is old, whoever wrote the key bindings bound delete to mean cancel, k to mean throw away this thread, and no obvious way to just throw the message away. I would love to have news work as mail, and add some additional command to actually attempt to sent the CANCEL. News does work right. The fundamental difference between news and mail is that news messages do not belong to you (except of course your own posts). So they are not deleted when you download them (POP3 model), and you have no right to delete them on the server (IMAP model). What you /can/ do is hide them (e.g. by killing the thread or marking them as read), and that's why this group's 11,434 messages look to me like 26. Unless you're a total idiot who constantly posts stupid $#!+ (and I don't think you are), chances are you really don't need to /delete/ all your messages, just the occasional misfire. And a filter isn't the right tool for that, it takes wetware. On the other hand, I would find it convenient to be able to plonk certain writers (or should I say wrongers?) without having to sift through a hundred messages or so every day for their names... -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:00:23 -0700, Rufus wrote: 5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again, this is only true when using the default theme. If you select/highlight a mail message in the thread pane, the delete button should re-appear. This is the same behaviour as 1.1.18. Phil ...interesting - it does that for Mail, but not for Newsgroups. When I go from a message in my Mail Inbox to a message in a Newsgroup, the Delete button hides completely and stays hidden until I go back to a message in my Mail Inbox. Dunno if that's as intended, but thanks. As you cannot delete a message from a news group (except your own post, in some circumstances), why would you need a delete button?? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:00:23 -0700, Rufus wrote: 5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again, this is only true when using the default theme. If you select/highlight a mail message in the thread pane, the delete button should re-appear. This is the same behaviour as 1.1.18. Phil ...interesting - it does that for Mail, but not for Newsgroups. When I go from a message in my Mail Inbox to a message in a Newsgroup, the Delete button hides completely and stays hidden until I go back to a message in my Mail Inbox. Dunno if that's as intended, but thanks. As you cannot delete a message from a news group (except your own post, in some circumstances), why would you need a delete button?? Daniel You can't. Only the header info is actually downloaded to your computer unless you download to read offline. You actually read Newsgroup messages directly from the news server. If it was done otherwise the first one that downloaded the messages would remove the messages from the server. To get rid of header right click or control-click on the highlighted newsgroup click on properties and choose rebuild summary File that dumps all but the amount you want left on I have 100. I have to do this often as sometimes messages counts may go down 8-10 post. And sometimes it shows zero messages yet there may be 8 or 10 messages showing as unread, yet the don't show up as unread in window that shows the the group names or email box names. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:00:23 -0700, Rufus wrote: 5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again, this is only true when using the default theme. If you select/highlight a mail message in the thread pane, the delete button should re-appear. This is the same behaviour as 1.1.18. Phil ...interesting - it does that for Mail, but not for Newsgroups. When I go from a message in my Mail Inbox to a message in a Newsgroup, the Delete button hides completely and stays hidden until I go back to a message in my Mail Inbox. Dunno if that's as intended, but thanks. As you cannot delete a message from a news group (except your own post, in some circumstances), why would you need a delete button?? Daniel Just expected it would be displayed...even if i was grayed out. I have filters set that delete posts and they work quite nicely. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: First and in general - I like it. But... ...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS 10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM: 1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at launch. I can't speak to the Master Password, as I have never used it. If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password. All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred correctly, including my Master Password. It's just that SM seems to be asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18. Well,I use the Password Manager quite frequently, and I have never set up a Master Password. Password Manager works just fine without it. ...interesting...I've never used Password Manager without a Master Password. Without a Master, I'd think anyone that opened your browser could launch the Password Manager and read all of your passwords. Not a very secure way to operate, IMO... 2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile Manager. I am glad you mention this. Holding down the Option key while clicking the Dock icon now seems to start SM in Safe Mode. You would not notice this if you don't have third party themes or extensions installed. This could be very handy indeed. Profile manager would need to be invoked via Terminal. So far I only have the basic 2.0 install operating - I think the only add-on I have is a Google search one. This method of invoking Safe mode will prove very handy in the future. Maybe not, I sincerely hope that you will never have a problem that requires it. :) ...I'll have to figure out what I'd do that for...never had to yet. At present I only have one Profile, but I can invoke the Profile Manager from the within the SM Menu Bar by selecting Switch Profile/Manage Profiles. Duh Of course, there would not be a need to invoke PM from the Dock. Its getting to late, I'm not thinking straight, thanks for getting me on the right path! In the past I've found it very handy to launch PM at start up to add a new Profile and proceed directly to it. 3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders, saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0 Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account. This has been a problem for many users. The Import Profile Wizard, while it seems to work fine for most users, does not always complete its job. However, this is a major change in the program. While you may have to transfer your newsgroups accounts manually, once its done, its done, and should not be a problem for future 2.0.x upgrades. You might try recreating the other accounts, point them to the existing files, and see if they are picked up. I ended up re-subscribing to the groups on one server, and had to actually delete and rebuild the account to be able to use this one and get to the Mozilla groups. As you say, I should be done with that now. 4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison. Task Bar is a Windows term, so I don't know exactly what you mean. I am sorry to nitpick on terms, but I have to understand exactly what you mean. Do you mean the Menu bar, which is detached from the application window and appears at the top of the screen, or the Navigation Toolbar, which is at the top of the application window, and contains the Location bar? I suspect the latter. Are you trying to get the Customize dialog? Right Click (Control Click) anywhere on the Navigation Toolbar, as long as I don't click right on the Location bar, I get the context menu to invoke it. Lee. The header bar in the main SeaMonkey window(s) - not the OS X Menu Bar. The option in the window's contextual menu actually calls it the Toolbar. I can't just click anywhere - I have to click below the URL entry space in order to get the contextual menu to appear. As noted, the area of the Toolbar containing the line for the window title
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: First and in general - I like it. But... ...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS 10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM: 1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at launch. 2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile Manager. 3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders, saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0 Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account. 4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison. 5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again, this is only true when using the default theme. 6) Bookmarks - I have a large collection of bookmarks, all nested in folders. At the top of each folder there is now a grayed out entry reading (Empty). But all of my bookmarks appear to have been transferred from my previous 1.1.18 Profile. 7) I can't seem to find any indication/option for Tabbed Mail as described in the Release Notes. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: First and in general - I like it. But... ...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS 10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM: 1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at launch. I can't speak to the Master Password, as I have never used it. If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password. All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred correctly, including my Master Password. It's just that SM seems to be asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18. Well,I use the Password Manager quite frequently, and I have never set up a Master Password. Password Manager works just fine without it. ...interesting...I've never used Password Manager without a Master Password. Without a Master, I'd think anyone that opened your browser could launch the Password Manager and read all of your passwords. Not a very secure way to operate, IMO... Well, it depends on your situation. From here there is no real chance of anyone other then me opening SeaMonkey on this computer. Therefore, a Master Password in unnecessary. If someone has broken into my house, well I guess security has gone to hell anyway. My user account is password protected, of course, so my data is as safe as its going to get. 2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile Manager. I am glad you mention this. Holding down the Option key while clicking the Dock icon now seems to start SM in Safe Mode. You would not notice this if you don't have third party themes or extensions installed. This could be very handy indeed. Profile manager would need to be invoked via Terminal. So far I only have the basic 2.0 install operating - I think the only add-on I have is a Google search one. This method of invoking Safe mode will prove very handy in the future. Maybe not, I sincerely hope that you will never have a problem that requires it. :) ...I'll have to figure out what I'd do that for...never had to yet. It is the first go to for troubleshooting. It disables all extensions and third party themes, and lets you know if a problem is caused by an addon, or if it is in the program or profile. At present I only have one Profile, but I can invoke the Profile Manager from the within the SM Menu Bar by selecting Switch Profile/Manage Profiles. Duh Of course, there would not be a need to invoke PM from the Dock. Its getting to late, I'm not thinking straight, thanks for getting me on the right path! In the past I've found it very handy to launch PM at start up to add a new Profile and proceed directly to it. Safe Mode is not at all a means of determining a problem. Being able to create a new profile easily is an important step when problems occur. 3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders, saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0 Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account. This has been a problem for many users. The Import Profile Wizard, while it seems to work fine for most users, does not always complete its job. However, this is a major change in the program. While you may have to transfer your newsgroups accounts manually, once its done, its done, and should not be a problem for future 2.0.x upgrades. You might try recreating the other accounts, point them to the existing files, and see if they are picked up. I ended up re-subscribing to the groups on one server, and had to actually delete and rebuild the account to be able to use this one and get to the Mozilla groups. As you say, I should be done with that now. 4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison. Task Bar is a Windows term, so I don't know exactly what you mean. I am sorry to nitpick on terms, but I have to understand exactly what you mean. Do you mean the Menu bar, which is detached from the application window and
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: First and in general - I like it. But... ...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS 10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM: 1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at launch. 2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile Manager. 3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders, saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0 Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account. 4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison. 5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again, this is only true when using the default theme. 6) Bookmarks - I have a large collection of bookmarks, all nested in folders. At the top of each folder there is now a grayed out entry reading (Empty). But all of my bookmarks appear to have been transferred from my previous 1.1.18 Profile. 7) I can't seem to find any indication/option for Tabbed Mail as described in the Release Notes. It works from here. If you have a Mighty Mouse, or another scroll wheel mouse, middle click on a message, and it will open in a new tab in Mail/News. With a one button mouse, try Control+Click and choose open in a new Tab form teh context menu. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:00:23 -0700, Rufus wrote: 5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again, this is only true when using the default theme. If you select/highlight a mail message in the thread pane, the delete button should re-appear. This is the same behaviour as 1.1.18. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:35:43 -0700, Rufus wrote: 6) Bookmarks - I have a large collection of bookmarks, all nested in folders. At the top of each folder there is now a grayed out entry reading (Empty). But all of my bookmarks appear to have been transferred from my previous 1.1.18 Profile. Are you using a third party theme? The built in themes should have hidden these entries. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]I'm a programmer, I don't do COBOL. * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password. All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred correctly, including my Master Password. It's just that SM seems to be asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18. Well,I use the Password Manager quite frequently, and I have never set up a Master Password. Password Manager works just fine without it. ...interesting...I've never used Password Manager without a Master Password. Without a Master, I'd think anyone that opened your browser could launch the Password Manager and read all of your passwords. Not a very secure way to operate, IMO... I submit that not all users NEED a Master Password for ordinary password protection. My computer is not accessible to anyone but my wife and I, and it's as safe as the lock on my front door! SM 1.1.18 has been great all this time, but my brand new 2.0 is a PITA. It didn't transfer all my messages over in the mail client. All messages stop in late July of '09. I had a LOT more than that, but right now they're missing. The annoyance of missing THREE month's messages overcomes my being able to enjoy the newness of 2.0. So, I'm back using 1.1.18 instead... keith whaley mid-'07 iMac OS 10.6.1 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Keith Whaley wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password. All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred correctly, including my Master Password. It's just that SM seems to be asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18. Well,I use the Password Manager quite frequently, and I have never set up a Master Password. Password Manager works just fine without it. ...interesting...I've never used Password Manager without a Master Password. Without a Master, I'd think anyone that opened your browser could launch the Password Manager and read all of your passwords. Not a very secure way to operate, IMO... I submit that not all users NEED a Master Password for ordinary password protection. My computer is not accessible to anyone but my wife and I, and it's as safe as the lock on my front door! SM 1.1.18 has been great all this time, but my brand new 2.0 is a PITA. It didn't transfer all my messages over in the mail client. All messages stop in late July of '09. I had a LOT more than that, but right now they're missing. The annoyance of missing THREE month's messages overcomes my being able to enjoy the newness of 2.0. So, I'm back using 1.1.18 instead... keith whaley mid-'07 iMac OS 10.6.1 Well, you can copy the mbox files form the old profile and paste them into the new, allowing them to overwrite the incomplete files that are there. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: 7) I can't seem to find any indication/option for Tabbed Mail as described in the Release Notes. It works from here. If you have a Mighty Mouse, or another scroll wheel mouse, middle click on a message, and it will open in a new tab in Mail/News. With a one button mouse, try Control+Click and choose open in a new Tab form teh context menu. Lee Ok - the option to open a Mail Message in a new Tab is there in the contextual Menu - but am still thinking that I should be able to set a Mail Preference to open messages in new Tabs or Windows the same way I can with links in the browser...feature to add?.. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:35:43 -0700, Rufus wrote: 6) Bookmarks - I have a large collection of bookmarks, all nested in folders. At the top of each folder there is now a grayed out entry reading (Empty). But all of my bookmarks appear to have been transferred from my previous 1.1.18 Profile. Are you using a third party theme? The built in themes should have hidden these entries. Phil No - I'm only using the built-in themes. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Leonidas Jones wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: SM 1.1.18 has been great all this time, but my brand new 2.0 is a PITA. It didn't transfer all my messages over in the mail client. All messages stop in late July of '09. I had a LOT more than that, but right now they're missing. The annoyance of missing THREE month's messages overcomes my being able to enjoy the newness of 2.0. So, I'm back using 1.1.18 instead... keith whaley mid-'07 iMac OS 10.6.1 Well, you can copy the mbox files form the old profile and paste them into the new, allowing them to overwrite the incomplete files that are there. Lee A+ -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Jens Hatlak wrote: On 10/28/2009 4:58 AM Rufus wrote: 1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at launch. Quoting http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0/: MailNews account password prompts are no longer serial at startup (Bug 338549) Workaround: If a Master Password is set and you saved your login credentials, only one prompt will appear at startup. You can disable this new behavior by setting signon.startup.prompt in about:config. This should actually read ... setting signon.startup.prompt *to false* in about:config but other than that... it's all there. HTH Jens Thanks! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
First and in general - I like it. But... ...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS 10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM: 1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at launch. 2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile Manager. 3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders, saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0 Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account. 4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Rufus wrote: First and in general - I like it. But... ...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS 10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM: 1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at launch. I can't speak to the Master Password, as I have never used it. 2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile Manager. I am glad you mention this. Holding down the Option key while clicking the Dock icon now seems to start SM in Safe Mode. You would not notice this if you don't have third party themes or extensions installed. This could be very handy indeed. Profile manager would need to be invoked via Terminal. 3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders, saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0 Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account. This has been a problem for many users. The Import Profile Wizard, while it seems to work fine for most users, does not always complete its job. However, this is a major change in the program. While you may have to transfer your newsgroups accounts manually, once its done, its done, and should not be a problem for future 2.0.x upgrades. You might try recreating the other accounts, point them to the existing files, and see if they are picked up. 4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison. Task Bar is a Windows term, so I don't know exactly what you mean. I am sorry to nitpick on terms, but I have to understand exactly what you mean. Do you mean the Menu bar, which is detached from the application window and appears at the top of the screen, or the Navigation Toolbar, which is at the top of the application window, and contains the Location bar? I suspect the latter. Are you trying to get the Customize dialog? Right Click (Control Click) anywhere on the Navigation Toolbar, as long as I don't click right on the Location bar, I get the context menu to invoke it. Lee. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: First and in general - I like it. But... ...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS 10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM: 1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at launch. I can't speak to the Master Password, as I have never used it. If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password. All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred correctly, including my Master Password. It's just that SM seems to be asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18. 2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile Manager. I am glad you mention this. Holding down the Option key while clicking the Dock icon now seems to start SM in Safe Mode. You would not notice this if you don't have third party themes or extensions installed. This could be very handy indeed. Profile manager would need to be invoked via Terminal. So far I only have the basic 2.0 install operating - I think the only add-on I have is a Google search one. At present I only have one Profile, but I can invoke the Profile Manager from the within the SM Menu Bar by selecting Switch Profile/Manage Profiles. 3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders, saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0 Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account. This has been a problem for many users. The Import Profile Wizard, while it seems to work fine for most users, does not always complete its job. However, this is a major change in the program. While you may have to transfer your newsgroups accounts manually, once its done, its done, and should not be a problem for future 2.0.x upgrades. You might try recreating the other accounts, point them to the existing files, and see if they are picked up. I ended up re-subscribing to the groups on one server, and had to actually delete and rebuild the account to be able to use this one and get to the Mozilla groups. As you say, I should be done with that now. 4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison. Task Bar is a Windows term, so I don't know exactly what you mean. I am sorry to nitpick on terms, but I have to understand exactly what you mean. Do you mean the Menu bar, which is detached from the application window and appears at the top of the screen, or the Navigation Toolbar, which is at the top of the application window, and contains the Location bar? I suspect the latter. Are you trying to get the Customize dialog? Right Click (Control Click) anywhere on the Navigation Toolbar, as long as I don't click right on the Location bar, I get the context menu to invoke it. Lee. The header bar in the main SeaMonkey window(s) - not the OS X Menu Bar. The option in the window's contextual menu actually calls it the Toolbar. I can't just click anywhere - I have to click below the URL entry space in order to get the contextual menu to appear. As noted, the area of the Toolbar containing the line for the window title appears to be excluded - and this only happens with the new default theme. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: First and in general - I like it. But... ...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS 10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM: 1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at launch. 2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile Manager. 3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders, saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0 Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account. 4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison. 5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again, this is only true when using the default theme. 6) Bookmarks - I have a large collection of bookmarks, all nested in folders. At the top of each folder there is now a grayed out entry reading (Empty). But all of my bookmarks appear to have been transferred from my previous 1.1.18 Profile. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations
Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: First and in general - I like it. But... ...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS 10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM: 1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at launch. I can't speak to the Master Password, as I have never used it. If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password. All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred correctly, including my Master Password. It's just that SM seems to be asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18. Well,I use the Password Manager quite frequently, and I have never set up a Master Password. Password Manager works just fine without it. 2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile Manager. I am glad you mention this. Holding down the Option key while clicking the Dock icon now seems to start SM in Safe Mode. You would not notice this if you don't have third party themes or extensions installed. This could be very handy indeed. Profile manager would need to be invoked via Terminal. So far I only have the basic 2.0 install operating - I think the only add-on I have is a Google search one. This method of invoking Safe mode will prove very handy in the future. Maybe not, I sincerely hope that you will never have a problem that requires it. :) At present I only have one Profile, but I can invoke the Profile Manager from the within the SM Menu Bar by selecting Switch Profile/Manage Profiles. Duh Of course, there would not be a need to invoke PM from the Dock. Its getting to late, I'm not thinking straight, thanks for getting me on the right path! 3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders, saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0 Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account. This has been a problem for many users. The Import Profile Wizard, while it seems to work fine for most users, does not always complete its job. However, this is a major change in the program. While you may have to transfer your newsgroups accounts manually, once its done, its done, and should not be a problem for future 2.0.x upgrades. You might try recreating the other accounts, point them to the existing files, and see if they are picked up. I ended up re-subscribing to the groups on one server, and had to actually delete and rebuild the account to be able to use this one and get to the Mozilla groups. As you say, I should be done with that now. 4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison. Task Bar is a Windows term, so I don't know exactly what you mean. I am sorry to nitpick on terms, but I have to understand exactly what you mean. Do you mean the Menu bar, which is detached from the application window and appears at the top of the screen, or the Navigation Toolbar, which is at the top of the application window, and contains the Location bar? I suspect the latter. Are you trying to get the Customize dialog? Right Click (Control Click) anywhere on the Navigation Toolbar, as long as I don't click right on the Location bar, I get the context menu to invoke it. Lee. The header bar in the main SeaMonkey window(s) - not the OS X Menu Bar. The option in the window's contextual menu actually calls it the Toolbar. I can't just click anywhere - I have to click below the URL entry space in order to get the contextual menu to appear. As noted, the area of the Toolbar containing the line for the window title appears to be excluded - and this only happens with the new default theme. I using a third party theme, Sailfish's Venerable Modern, so maybe that's the discrepancy. On Win XP I have the default theme, and as long as I don't right click on the Location Bar, the context menu comes up with the Customize option. In Firefox, one can get the Customize dialog from the View Menu, but that seems to be missing in SM 2.0 for now. Right now I am just so
