[Biofuel] funding cuts to flood control
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/opinion/02krugman.html?ex =1126324800en=73a1bb38aa83825eei=5070emc=eta1 September 2, 2005 A Can't-Do Government By PAUL KRUGMAN Before 9/11 the Federal Emergency Management Agency listed the three most likely catastrophic disasters facing America: a terrorist attack on New York, a major earthquake in San Francisco and a hurricane strike on New Orleans. The New Orleans hurricane scenario, The Houston Chronicle wrote in December 2001, may be the deadliest of all. It described a potential catastrophe very much like the one now happening. So why were New Orleans and the nation so unprepared? After 9/11, hard questions were deferred in the name of national unity, then buried under a thick coat of whitewash. This time, we need accountability. First question: Why have aid and security taken so long to arrive? Katrina hit five days ago - and it was already clear by last Friday that Katrina could do immense damage along the Gulf Coast. Yet the response you'd expect from an advanced country never happened. Thousands of Americans are dead or dying, not because they refused to evacuate, but because they were too poor or too sick to get out without help - and help wasn't provided. Many have yet to receive any help at all. There will and should be many questions about the response of state and local governments; in particular, couldn't they have done more to help the poor and sick escape? But the evidence points, above all, to a stunning lack of both preparation and urgency in the federal government's response. Even military resources in the right place weren't ordered into action. On Wednesday, said an editorial in The Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss., reporters listening to horrific stories of death and survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing basketball and performing calisthenics. Playing basketball and performing calisthenics! Maybe administration officials believed that the local National Guard could keep order and deliver relief. But many members of the National Guard and much of its equipment - including high-water vehicles - are in Iraq. The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support the homeland security mission, a Louisiana Guard officer told reporters several weeks ago. Second question: Why wasn't more preventive action taken? After 2003 the Army Corps of Engineers sharply slowed its flood-control work, including work on sinking levees. The corps, an Editor and Publisher article says, citing a series of articles in The Times-Picayune in New Orleans, never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security - coming at the same time as federal tax cuts - was the reason for the strain. In 2002 the corps' chief resigned, reportedly under threat of being fired, after he criticized the administration's proposed cuts in the corps' budget, including flood-control spending. Third question: Did the Bush administration destroy FEMA's effectiveness? The administration has, by all accounts, treated the emergency management agency like an unwanted stepchild, leading to a mass exodus of experienced professionals. Last year James Lee Witt, who won bipartisan praise for his leadership of the agency during the Clinton years, said at a Congressional hearing: I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded. I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared. I don't think this is a simple tale of incompetence. The reason the military wasn't rushed in to help along the Gulf Coast is, I believe, the same reason nothing was done to stop looting after the fall of Baghdad. Flood control was neglected for the same reason our troops in Iraq didn't get adequate armor. At a fundamental level, I'd argue, our current leaders just aren't serious about some of the essential functions of government. They like waging war, but they don't like providing security, rescuing those in need or spending on preventive measures. And they never, ever ask for shared sacrifice. Yesterday Mr. Bush made an utterly fantastic claim: that nobody expected the breach of the levees. In fact, there had been repeated warnings about exactly that risk. So America, once famous for its can-do attitude, now has a can't-do government that makes excuses instead of doing its job. And while it makes those excuses, Americans are dying. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
Greg and April wrote: He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New Orleans, and Mississippi. Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened. Greg H. Perhaps you noticed Trent Lott on his side? The comment that he looked forward to sitting on Trent's new porch when his house was rebuilt? Perhaps you are reminded of Trent's rather politically 'delicate' relationship to Strom Thurmond? Do you suppose that maybe GW is as confused about civil rights as... Lester Maddox. Why else could such banality come out of the man's mouth as, he well knew, people were dying a mere 150 miles away? And by the way, he did not walk, he strut as always, kissed and hugged people and handed out a bottled water to make the camera feel friendly. Frankly I think his wife did a better job being 'compassionate'. But BTW how are the schools in East Texas, the medical coverage, the smog, the grandfathered power plants, and hows our buddy Tom Delay, Ken Lay and the old gang? Any problems with finding money for mega mansions in Lucy or enough water for golfing in SugarLand? I'm done. S.Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Canadian help not allowed to fly in
I was sent this blog item about Canadian help being denied entrance to flood areas. Did any Canadians hear the newscast? Anone know if it is true? http://www.dailykos.com/ US won't let Canada help Katrina victims by kos Wed Aug 31st, 2005 at 20:58:29 PDT A specialized urban search and rescue team from Vancouver will be joining the rescue efforts in Louisiana in the wake of hurricane Katrina. B.C. Solicitor General John Les said the province decided to send Vancouver Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) after officials in Louisiana asked for help. We're the first non-U.S.-based team to be requested, said Les. They're going to be helping as many people as they can. CTV Vancouver has learned that the team will board a plane Wednesday night heading to Lafayette, Louisiana, where local authorities will direct them to devastated areas. Sounds great! Except for one problem -- this team wasn't allowed to fly into the US, blocked by Homeland Security from entering. A Canadian reader sends this report: On tonight's news, CTV (Canadian TV) said that support was offered from Canada. Planes are ready to load with food and medical supplies and a system called DART which can provide fresh water and medical supplies is standing by. Department of Homeland Security as well as other U.S. agencies were contacted by the Canadian government requesting permission to provide help. Despite this contact, Canada has not been allowed to fly supplies and personnel to the areas hit by Katrina. So, everything here is grounded. Prime Minister Paul Martin is reportedly trying to speak to President Bush tonight or tomorrow to ask him why the U.S. federal government will not allow aid from Canada into Louisiana and Mississippi. That said, the Canadian Red Cross is reportedly allowed into the area. Canadian agencies are saying that foreign aid is probably not being permitted into Louisiana and Mississippi because of mass confusion at the U.S. federal level in the wake of the storm. Once the hard-hit region is back on its feet, there better be a full accounting of the preparation and response to this catastrophe. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FDA Minimized Issue of Lotronex's Safety
Marty Phee wrote: They chose a paid consultant to Glaxo to serve with an advisory committee that recommended approval of the drug. Who do you think advises the govt on many critical issues? Many govt organizations who make decisions for us have corporations on the boards. You don't say, well I never, whatever next. :-/ Keith Keith Addison wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/updates2/lat_lotronex001102.htm Thursday, November 2, 2000 FDA Minimized Issue of Lotronex's Safety Health: Times study finds officials sided with drug maker on regulatory concerns. Agency reevaluation is underway. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer WASHINGTON--In the drug's first eight months on the market, five people who took it died. Several others underwent bowel surgeries--one had a colon removed. A total of 49 patients developed ischemic colitis, a potentially life-threatening complication. As a result, the Food and Drug Administration is now reevaluating the safety of Lotronex, a drug intended to treat women with a nonfatal disorder, irritable bowel syndrome. But a Los Angeles Times investigation of the FDA's handling of Lotronex found that over the last year agency officials repeatedly played down questions about the drug's safety while siding with the manufacturer, Glaxo Wellcome Inc., in important regulatory decisions. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] UNNATURAL DISASTER: THE LESSONS OF KATRINA
http://www.worldwatch.org/press/news/2005/09/02 September 02, 2005 UNNATURAL DISASTER: THE LESSONS OF KATRINA Worldwatch Projects Catastrophe Will Be Most Costly Weather-Related Disaster in History Washington, D.C. The overwhelming human and financial impacts of Hurricane Katrina are powerful evidence that political and economic decisions made in the United States and other countries have failed to account for our dependence on a healthy resource base, according to an assessment released today by the Worldwatch Institute. Alteration of the Mississippi River and the destruction of wetlands at its mouth have left the area around New Orleans abnormally vulnerable to the forces of nature. According to many scientists, the early results of global warming90 degree Fahrenheit water temperatures in the Gulf and rising sea levelsmay have exacerbated the destructive power of Katrina. The catastrophe now unfolding along the U.S. Gulf Coast is a wake-up call for decision makers around the globe, says Worldwatch President Christopher Flavin. If the world continues on its current coursemassively altering the natural world and further increasing fossil fuel consumptionfuture generations may face a chain of disasters that make Katrina-scale catastrophes a common feature of life in the 21st century. The appalling images from New Orleans demonstrate that the worlds richest country is not immune from the need to respect natural systems and to invest in their protection, continued Flavin. This will likely be the most expensive weather-related disaster the world has ever faced. According to an assessment by Worldwatch researchers, the long-term lessons of Katrina include: Maintaining the integrity of natural ecosystems should be a priority: Indiscriminate economic development and ecologically destructive policies have left many communities more vulnerable to disasters than they realize. This, together with rapid population growth in vulnerable areas, has contributed to worldwide economic losses from weather-related catastrophes totaling $567 billion over the last 10 years, exceeding the combined losses from 1950 through 1989. Losses in 2004 exceeded $100 billion for the second time ever, and a new record will almost certainly be set this year once Katrinas damages are totaled. Short-term thinking is a dangerous approach to policy: During the past few years, the U.S government has diverted funding from disaster preparedness to help finance the Iraq War, and has reduced protections for wetlands in order to spur economic development. Both decisions are now exacting costs that far exceed the money saved. Natural ecosystems such as wetlands and forests are often more valuable when left intact so as to protect communities from floods, landslides, drought, and other natural occurrences. Failure to protect ecosystems contributed to the massive loss of life when the tsunamis swept across the Indian Ocean last year and when Hurricane Mitch killed 10,000 people in Central America in 1998. The links between climate change and weather-related catastrophes need to be addressed by decision makers: Although no specific storm can be definitively link to climate change, scientists agree that warm water is the fuel that increases the intensity of such storms and that tropical seas have increased in temperature by up to 2 degrees Fahrenheit over the past century. (Katrina transformed rapidly from a Category 1 to a Category 5 hurricane when it passed from the Atlantic Ocean to the much warmer Gulf of Mexico.) In the next few decades, water temperatures and sea levels will continue to rise, greatly increasing the vulnerability of many communities. Global warming and its anticipated effects on the hydrological cycle will make some areas more vulnerable as storms, floods, and droughts increase in frequency and intensity. There is an urgent need to diversify energy supplies: The national and global economic impact of Hurricane Katrina is growing by the day, with consumers around the world now paying significantly more for energy than they were a week ago. Decades of failure to invest in new energy options has left the world dependent on oil and natural gas that are concentrated in some of the worlds most vulnerable regionsthe U.S. Gulf Coast, the Persian Gulf, and the Niger Delta in Africa. Biofuels and other renewable resources now represent viable alternatives to fossil fuels, which are not only vulnerable to natural disasters but could have a big impact on the severity of future disasters. - END - -- Interviews: The following experts are available for interviews in these areas: (Worldwatch Institute Press Contact Information) Christopher Flavin, Worldwatch Institute President: The links between climate change and weather-related disasters Economic effects of skyrocketing fuel prices The potential for renewable energy sources to diversify energy supplies
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
Hi Tom Irwin Dear Tom ,really very good your plan to make biofuel from Waste oil .As you are near by Brazil, you can think of the flexible car as this can run both form ethanol as well as the biogas which can be very made in small scale in the farm.Go ahead with the help of several experts from here as the small scale unit of our can be good start in the South America .For the same you can better make use of several recent information , thanks to Keith hard work to make our list archives much update , as this can solve half of hard problems to do practical woks in the field of Biofuel.I believe the south America can be the leader of the Biofuel using appropriate small bio refinery. Let us join to make this reality , with the help of this list members too as the wise peoples and all relevant informations needed are made possible here.Wishing you the best success. Yours truely Pannirselvam Natal, RN, Brasil. You can have Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Manick, Although I am an American, I live in Uruguay. There is no access to ethanol vehicles here as yet. Diesel vehicles definitely are available though heavily taxed. Plus this fits my overall scheme for making BioD in sufficient quantities to power an electric generator, my car and ultimately my tractor. The waste heat from the generator will heat hot water for house use and it's heating system. I'm lining up waste oil suppliers so I can have about 2000 or more liters per year available.The money I hope to save doing this will be put into the organic farm on high ground just outside the city. That's it in a nutshell. Tom Irwin From: Manick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 02:21:06 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Yes, after making temperature correction for waterat 25-30C I get 0.785 which is very near literature value of 0.7893 for ethanol andpure enough for mixing. Could you please enlighten me why you did not opt for E85 auto which I understand is available in USA?Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Manick, I just ran a density test. I got 0.7824g/cc vs. .7893g/cc from my CRC handbook. The original material is .7924g/cc. That's about a 10 or 12 % removal. with some slop for my measuring technique this might be good stuff. I'll try mixing it with gasolene next. Thanks all. Tom Irwin From: Manick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:00:26 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Hello Tom, May I offer unorthodox solution? Try to measure the specific gravity and density using specific gravity bottle. If it matches sg of pure ethanol you are there for practical purposes, unless you are aiming for AR quality..Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQGrupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 )
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
You need to measure the volume and density after and before adosrption and use the pubblished tables to calculate the conecntration and the make mass balance as you pointed out Yours truely Pannirselvam Natal, RN, Brasil. On 9/1/05, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal21032171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Preparation of ethanol from molasses
Hi Keith ; This is a great idea and link!! Thanks. Best Regards, Peter G. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-BB62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered the United States eleven hundred doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and diagnostic teams, to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban television program The Informative Round Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the northern nation that were in the path of the devastating storm. Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque to convey to the American government Cuba´s condolences for the loss of human life caused by the cyclone. At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi and Alabama was not known. The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, indicated Cuba´s willingness to send doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as three field hospitals and the personnel required to staff them. He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and ideological differences, the island has always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as this, and he recalled the attitude assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to offer assistance to the United States, when it put the island´s airports at the disposal of airliners flying towards that nation, he said. Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek publicity, and this was stressed in the message sent to the American authorities. He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State Department Thursday evening about the offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the world, which failed to mention that of the biggest of the Antilles. President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could send to the areas of greatest need the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks containing 24 kilograms of essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations. Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand specialists in general medicine, plus equipment. Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with extensive medical experience tested in the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also have English language proficiency. fg/ool/jwp -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canadian help not allowed to fly in
I have been following all the reports on CTV, CBC and BBC. Canada has the DART system that was used in the tsunami in Asia and is ready to be shipped to the disaster areas along with specialized teams and resources. Canadian hydro crews and all sorts of supplies and offers of help have been expressed by Canadian politicians. I have heard nothing on CTV, CBC or BBC about Canadian teams not being allowed in to help. Maybe you can check with homeland security and see what they have to say about it. Canadians have always stepped up to the plate to help, even though the U.S. treats them like a friendly lap dog sometimes. regards tallex Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Canadian help not allowed to fly in Sent: 02 Sep '05 22:37 I was sent this blog item about Canadian help being denied entrance to flood areas. Did any Canadians hear the newscast? Anone know if it is true? http://www.dailykos.com/ US won't let Canada help Katrina victims by kos Wed Aug 31st, 2005 at 20:58:29 PDT A specialized urban search and rescue team from Vancouver will be joining the rescue efforts in Louisiana in the wake of hurricane Katrina. B.C. Solicitor General John Les said the province decided to send Vancouver Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) after officials in Louisiana asked for help. We're the first non-U.S.-based team to be requested, said Les. They're going to be helping as many people as they can. CTV Vancouver has learned that the team will board a plane Wednesday night heading to Lafayette, Louisiana, where local authorities will direct them to devastated areas. Sounds great! Except for one problem -- this team wasn't allowed to fly into the US, blocked by Homeland Security from entering. A Canadian reader sends this report: On tonight's news, CTV (Canadian TV) said that support was offered from Canada. Planes are ready to load with food and medical supplies and a system called DART which can provide fresh water and medical supplies is standing by. Department of Homeland Security as well as other U.S. agencies were contacted by the Canadian government requesting permission to provide help. Despite this contact, Canada has not been allowed to fly supplies and personnel to the areas hit by Katrina. So, everything here is grounded. Prime Minister Paul Martin is reportedly trying to speak to President Bush tonight or tomorrow to ask him why the U.S. federal government will not allow aid from Canada into Louisiana and Mississippi. That said, the Canadian Red Cross is reportedly allowed into the area. Canadian agencies are saying that foreign aid is probably not being permitted into Louisiana and Mississippi because of mass confusion at the U.S. federal level in the wake of the storm. Once the hard-hit region is back on its feet, there better be a full accounting of the preparation and response to this catastrophe. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Wow, I started off a great thread and didn't even follow it. Now, I thought I remembered reading a couple of dissertations on colloid silver here. I am glad to get the input all over again. I think that some of this stuff is a little over the top just to sanitize a couple of ten gallon containers of stored water. Although as a hobbyist fabricator of both ferrous and non-ferrous metals I can appreciate the electro-plating techniques. That stuff is fun to setup and watch work, but drink the results? Maybe if I had access to better lab equipment I could feel more at ease after testing some of these techniques. Don't fret I know you weren't talking electro-plating more electrolysis of water. Pardon me, my mind wanders. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html I would think that if I took the advice here and started with a sanitized container and used distilled water the bottled liquid should have a better chance of holding up and not getting murky. I think, we need to keep it simple and as practical as possible, otherwise we risk not doing it. I am fully capable of making things and doing for my family, but I also know there are only so many hours in a day. The elk are bugling and the coyotes are laughing as dawn approaches here in northern New Mexico. It's a beautiful world we live in. I plan to make the best of my day. My family will be working in the forest this weekend. We have had steady rain here. I guess it is remnants of Katrina. My daughter said as we came down the mountain a few days ago the forest looks so alive when it is wet. Indeed. Yes New Mexico is not inherently prone to stagnant water issues so we don't often worry about it. With the disaster on the Gulf Coast I began to question the ability to store water for longer periods for emergency use. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel
Hello Jim I had some general question about Biodiesel: 1. I have some PVC Venturis that I thought would work for mixing the Methoxil and oil together. Would it tear up the PVC? How about Venturis and PVC in the washing process? 2. How much if any Biodiesel can be added to gasoline engines as an upper lubricant and carb cleaner additive? See: Biodiesel in gasoline engines http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#gas Best wishes Keith 3. Has any one gotten good results from this usage of biodiesel? 4. Will this use work with 2 stroke engines? I need to winterize my boat and wonder how that would work as opposed to sea foam. 5. I can get methanol for $2.24 US is this good bad or average? Thank you Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina, who's to blame
Hi Vin Hi Keith, I do wish the large list membership in the global South would be a little more vocal, really I do, though I do understand some of the reasons they're not. Here goes one Listmember from the South... Thankyou!!! Now where are all the others? :-) I know what the people in La, Al., and Ms. are going through and I deeply sympathize with the hurricane victims in the US Gulf Coast, having lived through a few natural disasters that struck the Philippines: Volcanic eruptions: Taal Volcano in 1965 Mayon Volcano in 1968 Mt. Pinatubo in 1991 Earthquakes: One in 1968 when a 6 storey building (Ruby Towers) collapsed killing 200 people in an earthquake measuring 7.3 on the Richter scales Another one in 1990 when Baguio City and other places in Northern Luzon were whacked by a major earthquake measuring 7.8 on the Richter scale. Typhoons: From: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2004/dec/03/yehey/images/front.pdf Oct. 11-15, 1970 Super Typhoon Sening 768 dead Aug. 31- Sept. 4, 1984 Typhoon Nitang 1,363 dead I'm trying to remember what it was called by the time it hit Hong Kong, it really wrecked us and killed a lot of folk. Typhoon Ellen? Not the only one... Like you I've lived through a lot of typhoons, and a lot of other kinds of storms too. Nov. 3-6, 1984 Typhoon Undang 895 dead Nov. 23-27, 1987 Super Typhoon Sisang 979 dead Nov. 10-14, 1990 Super Typhoon Ruping 748 dead, P11 billion damage Nov. 2-7, 1991 Tropical Storm Uring 5,000 to 8,000 dead, P1 billion damage. Sept. 30 - Oct. 7, 1993 Typhoon Kadiang 576 dead, P9 billion in damage. Oct. 30 - Nov. 4, 1995 Super Typhoon Rosing 936 dead, P11 billion damage. Oct. 15-24, 1998 Super Typhoon Loleng More than 300 dead, P7 billion damage. That's just the Philippines; there are other countries that have suffered (and will suffer) even more destructive natural disasters as we are all aware. The intense media coverage (and subsequent discussion) of Hurricane Katrina and its tragic effects makes me think that this just might serve as a signal for the US Government and the American people to reexamine current official and individual policies regarding Climate Change, Peak Oil, and Sustainable Development in general. I reckon we're all hoping for that Vin, Hakan said something similar. Here's to hope! Many of us here who are not Filipinos have fond and happy memories of the Philippines, including me. Ask Gustl why he ends his messages Happy Happy! Regards, and thanks again Happy Happy! (No matter what!) Keith Regards. Vin Lava Manila, Philippines ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush
Sorry I haven't run this by credibility checkers except here. Brian Rodgers Friday, September 2nd, 2005 Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush Friday, September 2nd, 2005 Dear Mr. Bush: Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag. Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with? Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her! I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike? And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ! On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that. There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland. No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this! You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit. Yours, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.MichaelMoore.com P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
About time. Still, a little late in my book. Greg and April wrote: He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New Orleans, and Mississippi. Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 20:45 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Thanks. I personally can't believe all he did was fly by in his jet and look down. This is a catastrophe far worse than 9/11 and all he does is a fly by? I can't even get started on Iraq because I don't want to get wound up right now. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, LOL, you did a very good joke, I liked it. Hakan At 16:53 02/09/2005, you wrote: Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote: Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much more in shorter time frame. When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more than Orleans. Hakan At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote: Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame? I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again. Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of the deaths in La and Ms. Kinda like stupid kids who empty the fire extinguishers in school. But I think Katrina, and years of head-in-the-sand development is what drowned Orleans. taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Bede wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm How New Orleans Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts 09/01/05 Antiwar -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush's Iraq war. There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting. The situation is the same in Mississippi. The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq. The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job. After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals were right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps. Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes. The mayor of New Orleans was counting on helicopters to put in place massive sandbags to repair the levee. However, someone called the few helicopters away to rescue people from rooftops. The rising water overwhelmed the massive pumping stations, and New Orleans disappeared under deep water. What a terrible casualty of the Iraqi war one of our oldest and most beautiful cities, a famous city, a historic city. Distracted by its phony war on terrorism, the U.S. government had made no preparations in the event Hurricane Katrina brought catastrophe to New Orleans. No contingency plan existed. Only now after the disaster are FEMA and the Corps of Engineers trying to assemble the material and equipment to save New Orleans from the fate of Atlantis. Even worse, articles in the New Orleans Times-Picayune and public statements by emergency management chiefs in New Orleans make it clear that the Bush administration slashed the funding for the Corps of Engineers' projects to strengthen and raise the New Orleans levees and diverted the money to the Iraq war. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, told the New Orleans Times-Picayune (June 8, 2004): It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us. Why can't the U.S. government focus on America's needs and leave other countries alone? Why are
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: OpAmp Active Filter Synthesis
Sheesh Mike why the hostility? It sounds like you don't really want any help. I am sorry if my humor comes off like what do you call it? Hmmm? Please stop trying to be profound and get to the point. You might reread your first post in this thread. You never stated a point to begin with. I have no idea what level of expertise you have. Thus, I speak in generalities. Ask a stupid question get a stupid answer. Brian. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor
How many gallons does it hold? Mika Feldmann wrote: I made my processor out of an abandoned Guiness keg (stainless) with a few threaded stainless pipe couplings welded in place for an immersion heater, a temperature probe for heat control, and fittings for a circulation pump. Here in Canada, it isn't worthwhile sending the old kegs back to Ireland. Mika */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: FuelMeister - Voldemort lives... Keith, Thank you, Yes I received that email after I sent mine. Juan G. From: Keith Addison Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:01:39 +0900 Hello Juan I would appreciate some help. I am new to the list and I read a few days ago on one of the threads that metal tanks should be used to make a biodiesel processor. There are 2 processors I saw on the web 1 at Freedom Fuel America the other at BioDiesel gear. Both are polyethylene ( i am sure most on the list have seen them) are these any good? Also is there any other place web or otherwise where I could find biodiesel processors in kits or assembled. Thank you for help. Juan G. Huh, second time in 10 minutes... Re Freedom Fuel America - the odious FuelMeister rears its ugly head once again! http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.html Or: http://snipurl.com/h9ou Re: [biofuel] Best Processer You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons of high-quality biodiesel for that price. The FuelMeister is overpriced junk that is not capable of making quality biodiesel. The instructions that come with it are just as useless. BiodieselGear? Does anybody buy those things? They got some derisive comments when they launched. What's the point anyway? Build your own, a lot cheaper and a lot better, and anybody can do it: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
Big deal, He cut 2 days off his vacation to do this ...all for the cameras. As noted by others below, he was the one who cut army core of engineers budget for urgent repair on sinking dykes and improvements to flood control systems. He is the one who continues to distort sound science, the problems of global warming and weakening the environmental protection act. As mentioned by others as well, he is the one who has troops, vital rescue equipment in Iraq when needed here NOW. The lack of a well planned rapid advanced response to this disaster is a shame. There are many hard questions that will need answers in the months to come. regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Sent: 03 Sep '05 03:33 He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New Orleans, and Mississippi. Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 20:45 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Thanks. I personally can't believe all he did was fly by in his jet and look down. This is a catastrophe far worse than 9/11 and all he does is a fly by? I can't even get started on Iraq because I don't want to get wound up right now. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, LOL, you did a very good joke, I liked it. Hakan At 16:53 02/09/2005, you wrote: Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote: Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much more in shorter time frame. When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more than Orleans. Hakan At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote: Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame? I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again. Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of the deaths in La and Ms. Kinda like stupid kids who empty the fire extinguishers in school. But I think Katrina, and years of head-in-the-sand development is what drowned Orleans. taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Bede wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm How New Orleans Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts 09/01/05 Antiwar -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush's Iraq war. There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting. The situation is the same in Mississippi. The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq. The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job. After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals were right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps. Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes. The mayor of New Orleans was counting on helicopters to put in place massive sandbags to repair the levee. However, someone called the few helicopters away to rescue people from rooftops. The rising water overwhelmed the massive pumping stations, and New Orleans disappeared under deep water. What a terrible casualty of the Iraqi war one of our oldest and most beautiful cities, a famous city, a historic city. Distracted by its phony war on terrorism, the U.S. government had made no
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Sussex county, where the big beach-front houses are located, is on the list of places covered by Fed. flood insurance. As long as it is under-written, people will build there. When beach front resorts and their beaches blow away in storms, the money to rebuild always comes from the taxpayers somehow. Government policies encourage irresponsible building. The USACE often performs sand replenishment for beaches as well. Greg and April wrote: Mike, I have been looking at the pdf link, in your post, and I am not understanding your reference. Could you please elaborate? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 20:03 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? I want to build my 2 million dollar dreamhouse on the beach and make the taxpayers foot the bill when it gets flattened. See: http://www.fema.gov/cis/DE.pdf Rehoboth Beach is almost all on a barrier island. It's nuts to build there, and nuts to keep paying to put the houses back. But I guess the money is better spent than being used in Iraq. Greg and April wrote: Yes. If people live in an area, they should learn of dangerous natural occurrences ( quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal waves, blizzards and the like ), and make preparations for them. Like I said in another post: I have no issue with those that TRIED to do something to help them selves and still got into trouble. BUT I do have issues with those that did NOTHING ( despite all the warnings ) to help them selves then expect the government and everyone else to drop what their doing and save them, because they would rather buy a case of beer, than a bus ticket.. Dams fail, if people are not willing to accept that they may only have 5 min warning to get to higher ground, and may lose everything they should not live below a dam. If people are going to fly, they need to take it upon them selves to find out what kind of aircraft they are going to be flying on and find out if that model of aircraft has a good history of flight safety, and then take the personal responsibility to accept that sometimes the one in a million chance actualy happens. If one looks at the past one can see that a given area is subject to hurricanes and should prepare accordingly. If you live below sea level near a coast, expect the fact that you have a chance of getting flooded.If you live within 50 ft of sea level near a coast, expect that the tidal surge could very well reach you. Empathy?My empathy is for the kids that couldn't leave because of ignorant parents and for the people that tried and still failed.Not for someone that bought a case of beer, instead of a 5 gal bucket of water that could save their life. 7 MRE's can keep a person alive for 2 weeks, and cost about the same as a case of beer. If people would pay attention when the experts tell them not to expect help after a disaster for at least 72 hrs, they would be allot better off putting the money to a 72 hr kit than spending it to drink that stupid beer. With a little ingenuity, 72 hr kits are not expensive nor are they hard to put together, I have put several together for my family. If I had to leave the house: I can with 5 min notice, keep my family of 4 going for 24 hrs. With 20 min notice, I can keep my family going 72 hrs, with some shelter. With an 1 hour notice, I can keep my family going for more than 2 weeks in some comfort. With 1 day of notice, I can hook up with a couple of friends and my 2 sisters, and live comfortably for a month with out any other assistance. If I don't have to leave the house, I'm good for 1 month in the winter, and 4+ months in the summer. I do not live in a flood plain. I have a little multi-fuel stove, that can burn any liquid fuel, and a fireplace that can burn any solid fuel ( I have a little wood stove I could install in a day or so ), to cook food. I scrounged most of the materials and built a safe room in the basement. I have three 55 gal barrels filled with water, plus enough containers for another 500 gal of water ( and that is not counting the 55 gal water heater ). I have a chain saw and enough fuel to keep it going for a week strait. I also have a 5ft cross cut timber saw, a couple of axes, a maul and some splitting wedges, and know how to make wood wedges ( done it several times when my metal wedges were stuck or not available ). I'll say it now: If anyone on this list, would like help putting together a 72 hr kit, I would be more than happy to give any help I can! In part it's a little like learning to make BioDiesel because the DinoDiesel is running out. Just remember, is going to be extremely hard to put one together, during an
[Biofuel] The real reason
Rumor has it that the only reason President Bush offered money and aid to rebuild the Katrina-damaged coastal areas of Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana is that he misheard on the news that there was major damage and flooding all along the Golf Course. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canadian help not allowed to fly in
We don't want them spreading the poison of socialized medicine to all those uninsured poor people in New Orleans. Besides, the president is on it. Everything is fine. The National Guard is there, Bush is personally on the phone on the ground, directing the federal relief effort, calling the proper federal agency leaders to cut the red tape, working with his wealthy friends to raise money. We don't need no Canadians. Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: I have been following all the reports on CTV, CBC and BBC. Canada has the DART system that was used in the tsunami in Asia and is ready to be shipped to the disaster areas along with specialized teams and resources. Canadian hydro crews and all sorts of supplies and offers of help have been expressed by Canadian politicians. I have heard nothing on CTV, CBC or BBC about Canadian teams not being allowed in to help. Maybe you can check with homeland security and see what they have to say about it. Canadians have always stepped up to the plate to help, even though the U.S. treats them like a friendly lap dog sometimes. regards tallex Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Canadian help not allowed to fly in Sent: 02 Sep '05 22:37 I was sent this blog item about Canadian help being denied entrance to flood areas. Did any Canadians hear the newscast? Anone know if it is true? http://www.dailykos.com/ US won't let Canada help Katrina victims by kos Wed Aug 31st, 2005 at 20:58:29 PDT A specialized urban search and rescue team from Vancouver will be joining the rescue efforts in Louisiana in the wake of hurricane Katrina. B.C. Solicitor General John Les said the province decided to send Vancouver Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) after officials in Louisiana asked for help. We're the first non-U.S.-based team to be requested, said Les. They're going to be helping as many people as they can. CTV Vancouver has learned that the team will board a plane Wednesday night heading to Lafayette, Louisiana, where local authorities will direct them to devastated areas. Sounds great! Except for one problem -- this team wasn't allowed to fly into the US, blocked by Homeland Security from entering. A Canadian reader sends this report: On tonight's news, CTV (Canadian TV) said that support was offered from Canada. Planes are ready to load with food and medical supplies and a system called DART which can provide fresh water and medical supplies is standing by. Department of Homeland Security as well as other U.S. agencies were contacted by the Canadian government requesting permission to provide help. Despite this contact, Canada has not been allowed to fly supplies and personnel to the areas hit by Katrina. So, everything here is grounded. Prime Minister Paul Martin is reportedly trying to speak to President Bush tonight or tomorrow to ask him why the U.S. federal government will not allow aid from Canada into Louisiana and Mississippi. That said, the Canadian Red Cross is reportedly allowed into the area. Canadian agencies are saying that foreign aid is probably not being permitted into Louisiana and Mississippi because of mass confusion at the U.S. federal level in the wake of the storm. Once the hard-hit region is back on its feet, there better be a full accounting of the preparation and response to this catastrophe. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] using incomplete reaction biodiesel
Hi Michael, Thanks for your quick response. We are blending our bioD 50/50 and using it. I wasn't so worried about the EPA as to potential engine problems. Oh well, garbage has to be picked up and fires must be extinguished. Thanks again for your encouraging words. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] using incomplete reaction biodiesel Hi Bill, I have used a wide array of biodiesel fuel which I have made. Some batches would smoke more than others. Mostly I used my B100 in my f250 pickup. Luck = preparation + opportunity You have an excellent, small bio-refinery. I encourage you to make the most of it and get bio-fuel into the vehicles that need it and worry about the EPA later. I would not hesitate to put your biodiesel in any city vehicle, ie fire truck, trash truck, ambulance, tractor, genset. Your setup there is first rate, take this tragic set of events as your queue to use what you've prepared so hard for. I suggest you use what bio-fuel you can lay your hands on. 50-50 mix should due for the large trucks/buses. You have an excellent facility for cleaning used grease also. Large diesels like trash trucks, tractors could probably do just fine on a 50- 50 mix of WVO and diesel. You should still have my contact information. Call me anytime. Best Regards, Let us know how this turns out, Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) - Original Message - From: Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 11:03 am Subject: [Biofuel] using incomplete reaction biodiesel Hello to all, The City of Eufaula is running out of diesel and calls to the supplier have not been returned. We have on hand about 1,000 gal of fuel that is not completely reacted. We may need to use this fuel. Any suggestions aboutblending with diesel? We would normally try to reproccess but we need to save our methanol for more fuel. Rapid responses are needed. Thanks to everyone and God help those people on the Gulf Coast. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] State vs Federal responsibilities
Hello; Anybody ever hear of this agency??? Haven't heard it mentioned anywhere recently myself. LA Homeland Security Emergency Preparedness HomeThe Louisiana Citizen Awareness Disaster Agency www.ohsep.louisiana.gov Being from San Francisco originally, you know Earthquake zone.. we're very familiar with ours and the work that it does. Every State has one. This is the agency responsible for immediate response, for containment and evaluation of the disaster and for then requesting whatever assistance is needed by the State. This is theagency that failed to provide for and co-ordinate the assistance that New Orleans and other areas needed immediately as the Federal GovernmentALWAYS takes a couple of days to respond. This is the agency that is responsible for picking up any slack from the cuts in Federal Funding, and thediversion of the National Guard. Oh by the way, if anyone has any contacts in Louisiana, could you tell them that New Jersey has tons of food, manpower and bottled water all collected, has made arrangements for it's transportation, and is rabidly waiting for the request to come thru the State Mutual Assistance Agency. Not sure why it's taking so long, but we're getting a bit antsy here, being all ready to assist and Louisiana seems to have forgotten to givethe State permission to cross their borders. I've enclosed the article by our Governor. Please note the "ready to provide assistance to forthcoming requests. " Any help you can provide getting Louisiana to get that request in gear would be greatly appreciated. Blessings Johanna http://www.state.nj.us/cgi-bin/governor/njnewsline/view_article.pl?id=2695Codey Announces Coordinated Statewide Relief Effortsfor Region Devastated by Hurricane KatrinaNew Jersey Residents Encouraged to Donate BottledWater for Victims(TRENTON) –Acting Governor Richard J. Codey todayannounced that New Jersey is coordinating a number ofefforts to aid the Gulf Coast states devastated byHurricane Katrina. Among the relief efforts is theopening of the state’s military armories as drop-offpoints for residents looking to donate much-neededwater to the affected region."One of the biggest obstacles these states are facingright now is the lack of potable water," said Codey. "Without safe water, the already devastated areas facea public health threat in the form of diseaseoutbreaks. I encourage every resident to donatewhatever they can in the form of bottled water to helpthose in desperate need."The Department of Military and Veterans Affairs(DMAVA) is working with the 108th Air Refueling Wingat McGuire Air Force Base and the 250th ForwardSupport Battalion at Sea Girt to collect, package anddeliver bottled water. Those citizens wishing toassist in this effort can bring packaged bottled waterin cases to the armory locations listed below betweenthe hours of 8 a.m. and 4 p.m. now through Monday,September 5th. Logistical restraints require that thebottled water be no smaller than case size. Additionally, under the Emergency ManagementAssistance Compact (EMAC), the Chief of the NationalGuard Bureau has authorized the National Guards in all50 states and four territories to provide essentialpersonnel and critical equipment support to theaffected states. Both New Jersey’s Army and AirNational Guard have answered that call and aremobilized and ready to provide assistance toforthcoming requests. The New Jersey State Police Office of EmergencyManagement is standing by to send resources, includingTask Force One, to the affected states in a moment’snotice, once those states request help with theongoing recovery effort. Task Force One is a210-member emergency response team fully equipped withmultiple search, rescue and response capabilities. Theteam is ready to mobilize boats and technicalequipment needed for water and land-based rescues;high-powered generators; and state-of-the-arthazardous materials equipment, if needed. OEM is alsoprepared to send a fully equipped Medevac helicopter.Codey has also ordered the New Jersey TurnpikeAuthority to grant free passage on the state’s tollroads to all rescue, relief, and humanitarian serviceconvoys destined for the hurricane-ravaged regions.Organizations planning to travel through New Jerseyenroute to the disaster areas are asked to contactWilliam Darragh, assistant director of tolls for theNew Jersey Turnpike at 732-247-0900 ext. 5654, tocoordinate the free passage.In response to EMAC’s request for medicalprofessionals, the Department of Health and SeniorServices (DHSS) is surveying the availability ofqualified individuals, especially physicians, nursesand respiratory therapists, working in state agenciesincluding Rutgers University and the University ofMedicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (UMDNJ). Commissioner Fred M. Jacobs, M.D., J.D., has alsoasked DHSS technical specialists to considervolunteering for the long-term recovery effort,especially environmental health
Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor
Not sure in gallons, but my processor could hold about 50 liters of oil mix, which should make enough to fill up an average Volkswagen tank. It takes me two deep fryers to fill. MikaMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many gallons does it hold?Mika Feldmann wrote: I made my processor out of an abandoned Guiness keg (stainless) with a few threaded stainless pipe couplings welded in place for an immersion heater, a temperature probe for heat control, and fittings for a circulation pump. Here in Canada, it isn't worthwhile sending the old kegs back to Ireland. Mika */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: FuelMeister - Voldemort lives... Keith, Thank you, Yes I received that email after I sent mine. Juan G. From: Keith Addison Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:01:39 +0900 Hello Juan I would appreciate some help. I am new to the list and I read a few days ago on one of the threads that metal tanks should be used to make a biodiesel processor. There are 2 processors I saw on the web 1 at Freedom Fuel America the other at BioDiesel gear. Both are polyethylene ( i am sure most on the list have seen them) are these any good? Also is there any other place web or otherwise where I could find biodiesel processors in kits or assembled.Thank you for help. Juan G. Huh, second time in 10 minutes... Re Freedom Fuel America - the odious FuelMeister rears its ugly head once again! http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.html Or: http://snipurl.com/h9ou Re: [biofuel] Best Processer "You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons of high-quality biodiesel for that price." The FuelMeister is overpriced junk that is not capable of making quality biodiesel. The instructions that come with it are just as useless. BiodieselGear? Does anybody buy those things? They got some derisive comments when they launched. What's the point anyway? Build your own, a lot cheaper and a lot better, and anybody can do it: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/_ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
[Biofuel] Looking for Co-op in Socal - Burbank area
I live in Burbank, Ca and am in the process of converting a MINI-SUV to diesel and I want to run in Bio Diesel. I am looking for a co-op in the SOCAL Burbank area to learn how to home brew my own. I appreciate everyones assistance. Rob Stehlin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE
Thank you, Mr juan, I have now full details of MTBE and only other use for it in industrial solvents but when a oil firm imports a large qty it can only be for mixing with petrol (gasoline) as an octane booster without caring for the health of unvary users. I am writing to (our) Govt of India. Regards, SubramanianJuan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Subramanian.For the possibles uses of MTBE try a search at the United States Patent Office using MTBE or Methyl Terbutyl Ether.www.uspto.gov/patft/index.htmlwww.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.htmlIt might be a lot but select for chemical synthesis using MTBE as one of the reacting compounds, specially if you know or are able to know, that they have at least a chemical reactor for organic synthesis. With that information you could look for the line of products from that 'reputed oil refining and marketing company' and guest if they can use in some of them. So, you will be somehow ready for the answer 'we use it for that products, not for gasoline'.Regards.Juan-Original Message-From: subramanian D.V [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 28/08 2005 10:18 AMFor: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Query on MTBEHello Members,MTBE - Methyl tertiary butyl ether - an oxygenate for blending with gasoline in U.S around 1990, acquired a bad reputation quickly because of its capacity for polluting the environment and affecting human beings. I understand that the groundwater in most parts of US has been polluted with MTBE to varying degrees; it was banned in certain States of US for mixing with gasoline.It is banned in India too, as an oxygenate. Can any of you tell me what could be the possible use of MTBE other than as an oxygenate additive when a reputed oil refining and marketing company buys 10 tmt of MTBE from VITOL traders. I want to be doubly sure before raising this in the Indian Press.Thank you.Regards,Subramanian___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another newbie
Hello Johanna Hi, another beginner to walk thru for you. I am planning on buying a new used car, heard about WVO and diesels and wanted to get everything figured out. I read on your web site that some people are experimenting with mixes for regular gasoline cars. Biodiesel in gasoline engines http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#gas I thought this would be just great. I can experiment with learning the process, and use the results in my current car. Be ready to move past the testing stage into bigger batches by the time I purchase the new diesel car. It is experimental though, no guarantees. I have a 1998 Hyundia Elantra GLS I drive less than 20 miles a day back and forth from work. I seldom drive at any other time. (I always use the trips home from work to pick up whatever I need, almost never do a shopping trip.) Therefore, a very small operation making only 1 or 2 liters at a time would be just fine. I have my choice of 2 Chinese restaurants, 1 taco bell, 1 burger king, and about 2 miles out of my way, a mc donalds. There is also a seafood restaurant about a block away from a friends house that I could hit up. So, basically, for such a small scale operation, and considering that it would be for mixing to begin with (about 5% for such as me I think, forget that 15% stuff till later, if ever) Which restaurant is most likely to have the best WVO, and which recipe would be the best to begin with? (I've been studying Mike Pelly's biodiesel method) Don't start with WVO, start with small test batches of virgin oil. Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Keep going. Read the whole thing, two pages. Does cheesecloth have the 5 micron filter as required for the final filtering, or is there another material that's not listed? Quite a lot of people don't do any final filtering. If you do it right all the crud will be in the by-product layer, not the biodiesel. And you'll only be using 5%. I like the air stone method, it seems more workable for me. Would there be a problem for a beginner to use this? Stirring is better, but you can use bubbling. It oxidises the fuel, with resultant risk of polymerisation, but at only 5% blended with gasoline I guess you don't have to worry about that. When I do the washing, can I use regular water or do I use more distilled water? Tap water. The final wash water should be the same pH as the tap water. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html Washing Is there a picture (or many pictures) on what it means to create an electric pump plumbed to form a mixing loop for stirring the WVO and Sodium Methoxide? Check the processor section at JtF, especially this one: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html Journey to Forever 90-litre processor But for making 1 or 2 litres at a time you'll hardly be needing a pump. Mix the methoxide this way: Methoxide the easy way http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth I also liked the idea of adding a small cheap, clear or translucent plastic inline fuel filter before my installed fuel filter. Is this hard to do? Not hard, good idea, especially at first. Thanks for all the awesome information, if I read it enough times I might eventually get it, though I think it will take actually working thru it a couple of times. You can make biodiesel more or less immediately, but it takes a few months at least to get to know what you're doing and know you're getting the quality right. Blessings Johanna Oh, one last question. (for this e-mail anyway) How does the bio diesel effect the gas mileage? My car gets about 25 miles per gallon. Opinions seem to vary, but there's not much in it anyway. Best wishes Keith Thanks again ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
lol, yeah. the volume from this list to my mailbox this past week has totally overwhelmed me. even now i'm trying to catch up. i'm going to have to switch my mail option to digest or something. that item came to my mailbox and i just turned around and forwarded it right away. as i browsed further down my backed-up inbox, i saw the post on this list. i first heard of it through the green-trust list, which is why i forwarded that item. wasn't trying to misattribute credit or anything. sorry! cheers, -chris b. Hello Chris the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris Thanks, but we had it before: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003069.html [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel Note it comes from http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/, not green-trust.org. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Hi Chris lol, yeah. the volume from this list to my mailbox this past week has totally overwhelmed me. even now i'm trying to catch up. i'm going to have to switch my mail option to digest or something. that item came to my mailbox Only one mailbox. Try this: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg21651.html Though maybe you need a real ISP for that rather than aol. and i just turned around and forwarded it right away. as i browsed further down my backed-up inbox, i saw the post on this list. i first heard of it through the green-trust list, which is why i forwarded that item. wasn't trying to misattribute credit or anything. I know you weren't. Not so sure about other people though. sorry! No problem. Best wishes Keith cheers, -chris b. Hello Chris the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris Thanks, but we had it before: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003069.html [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel Note it comes from http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/, not green-trust.org. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] New Orleans - Louisiana Vital Records registry
I was born in Baton Rouge, La and because of the new requirements for obtaining a drivers licenses .. issued by Homeland Security and no longer issued by the state .. I needed to produce either my birth certificate or a certified copy. .. and I just want to say that .. below sea level and all .. the state of Louisiana choose New Orleans as the site to hold all their vital records. Due to several moves .. a flood and a house fire .. I couldn't find my original so I needed to send for a copy .. and yes, I have it now .. but you better believe this thing is going into a safe deposit box in some secure bank someplace .. (oh dear .. what or where is secure??? I'm becoming a believer in Michael Gordon Scalions map of the future .. if any of you have ever seen a copy you may remember that Louisiana no longer exists .. of course along with California etc .. .. and if Louisiana no longer exists and I didn't have a copy of my birth certificate .. then New Jersey will never give me a drivers licenses and I'll be condemed to petal close to 30 miles a day (sometimes more) on a daily basis .. through rain, bitter cold, humid heat and sometimes the dark. Ok .. I'm sure that if I survived New Jersey traffic I'd be in great shape. I love it that Laura and George Bush had a photo-op hugging the refuges in today's paper. Oh, by the way .. I've yet to see any local (New Jersey/Pennsylvania) newspaper mention anything about Chavez's offer of oil and eye operations for the poor. Guess I'll keep reading .. I'm sure it must be some sort of oversight. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans - Louisiana Vital Records registry
Hi Mary Lynn Schmidt, attached a Link to the Spiegel with an article from Maureen Dowd Unitet States of Shame F.F. http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,373001,00.html - Original Message - From: Marylynn Schmidt To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New Orleans - Louisiana Vital Records registry I was born in Baton Rouge, La and because of the new requirements for obtaining a drivers licenses .. issued by Homeland Security and no longer issued by the state .. I needed to produce either my birth certificate or a certified copy... and I just want to say that .. below sea level and all .. the state of Louisiana choose New Orleans as the site to hold all their vital records.Due to several moves .. a flood and a house fire .. I couldn't find my original so I needed to send for a copy ..and yes, I have it now .. but you better believe this thing is going into a safe deposit box in some secure bank someplace .. (oh dear .. what or where is secure???I'm becoming a believer in Michael Gordon Scalions "map of the future" .. if any of you have ever seen a copy you may remember that Louisiana no longer exists .. of course along with California etc and if Louisiana no longer exists and I didn't have a copy of my birth certificate .. then New Jersey will never give me a drivers licenses and I'll be condemed to petal close to 30 miles a day (sometimes more) on a daily basis .. through rain, bitter cold, humid heat and sometimes the dark.Ok .. I'm sure that if I survived New Jersey traffic I'd be in great shape.I love it that Laura and George Bush had a photo-op hugging the refuges in today's paper.Oh, by the way .. I've yet to see any local (New Jersey/Pennsylvania) newspaper mention anything about Chavez's offer of oil and eye operations for the poor.Guess I'll keep reading .. I'm sure it must be some sort of oversight.Mary LynnMary Lynn SchmidtONE SPIRIT ONE HEARTTTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister .Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual TravelThe Animal Connection Healing Modalitieshttp://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Happy Happy
Hi Keith, Hmmm. Imagine that! If any of you happen to find yourselves in the Philippines, drop me a line and we'll have Happy Happy (and talk biofuels too). :-) Thanks and regards. Vin Lava Manila, Philippines Many of us here who are not Filipinos have fond and happy memories of the Philippines, including me. Ask Gustl why he ends his messages Happy Happy! Regards, and thanks again Happy Happy! (No matter what!) Keith __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
