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A number of recent events and discussions along with my own plans have
led me to put my thoughts down.
Vegetable oil fuels
The choice of what vegetable oil fuel to use/promote/produce.
As I see it each has their own advantages and disadvantages.
Bio diesel
Well researched and developed
DIY TDI/IDI kits have been available for a few years. These are the heated
second tank variety, and no gelling is possible, as the biodiesel main tank
gets the vegetable oil up to temp before switch over. If it's cold enough to
gel the biodiesel (something that happens often, even our diesel
If anyone does pull together a list of BD prices at pumps around the US or
around the world, I'll volunteer to put it all on a color-coded (by price)
map for everyone so that we can get a big picture view of where BD is
currently competitive price-wise... It would help greatly if the cost of
Hi Darren
I don't think any recent-model diesels still have rubber parts in the
fuel system, not since the early 90s for European (and Japanese)
cars, and, I'm told, not since the mid-90s for US models. At the
latest, I should think. So it's really only old models that might be
affected. No
Hi Andrew,
This is what I was asking of Keith a few weeks (months) ago. He indicated
that it would be almost impossible to maintain due to price flucuations
within the market. Prices across the board are very different at present
as there is no futures market for biodiesel (yet!!). Also,
Todd, thanks for the humor. You made my day!!
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Appal Energy wrote:
Aye, but it's not just the oil prices that are going to freak
people out at the pumps or when paying the tab for home heating
oil.
Have an ailing airline industry tetering on the brink? Higher
fares =
actually MM, Rayon is made from corn starch and some nasty chemicals. :)
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, murdoch wrote:
Have a struggling economy and a president who hopes to blue
blazes consumers go out and buy, buy, buy? Not on your life if
the cost of goods start going up as a result of increase
James wrote:
actually MM, Rayon is made from corn starch and some nasty chemicals. :)
I seem to recall Rayon being made from coal in the UK, in the days before
North Sea Oil.
David
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Thanks, Paddy. I always understood that the dark colouration was due to the
FFAs. What do you reckon is in the by-product apart from glycerine, alcohol
and a few salts? If oleic (and other?) FAs are soluble in esters, does this
account for the variation in colour between batches (base-base
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Hello Keith
Hi Darren
I don't think any recent-model diesels still have rubber parts in the
fuel system, not since the early 90s for European (and Japanese)
cars, and, I'm told, not since the mid-90s for US models. At the
latest, I should think. So it's really only old models that might
At 11:50 PM 1/6/2003 +, you wrote:
Thanks, Paddy. I always understood that the dark colouration was due to the
FFAs. What do you reckon is in the by-product apart from glycerine, alcohol
and a few salts?
other stuff in the glycerine byproduct is soaps- in fact when you
'neutralize' the
At 11:50 PM 1/6/2003 +, you wrote:
Thanks, Paddy. I always understood that the dark colouration was due to the
FFAs. What do you reckon is in the by-product apart from glycerine, alcohol
and a few salts?
Hm. What's he going to say, d'you think?
David, I'm not convinced that the 'the
Keith:
If you throw in the NGOs brigade (who revel in sailing along *any*
funding_wind [2]) and the forest department (whose idea of 'social'
forestry so far is to plant eucalyptus trees all over India) - I
don't know what the outcome is going to be.
* That bad? They know there are better
A number of recent events and discussions along with my own plans have
led me to put my thoughts down.
Vegetable oil fuels
The choice of what vegetable oil fuel to use/promote/produce.
As I see it each has their own advantages and disadvantages.
Bio diesel
Well researched and developed
DIY TDI/IDI kits have been available for a few years. These are the heated
second tank variety, and no gelling is possible, as the biodiesel main tank
gets the vegetable oil up to temp before switch over. If it's cold enough to
gel the biodiesel (something that happens often, even our diesel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Granted, I will need to have a small 240VDC battery bank
for the 240 circuits used in the house being usually heating elements.
One caution, the 120-volt motors that may be associated with the 240-volt
circuits
may not run on DC (stove clock - analog, clothes
My information comes from page 443 of Stocking Up III: America's Classic
Preserving Guide by Carol Hupping and the staff at the Rodale Food
Center. The book refers to studies done at Pennsylvania State
University. Unfortunately, that is all the information it gives. I
quoted off the top of
I am living at istanbul (turkey) and interested about
biodiesel very very much. It is almost impossible to
deal with this subject here. So, I wanna move to
Austria (or somewhere else). Could anyone can help me
anyway or just give an advice to me your words
will to too valuable for me.
I am living at istanbul (turkey) and interested about
biodiesel very very much. It is almost impossible to
deal with this subject here. So, I wanna move to
Austria (or somewhere else). Could anyone can help me
anyway or just give an advice to me your words
will to too valuable for me.
Hello,
This is Michael Cottle writing to you from Lima Peru.
I joined this group because I would to get in touch with colleges with
experience in biodiesel production who might be willing to help me devellop
a formulation (using ethanol instead of methanol) in order to come with an
Hi Darren
I don't think any recent-model diesels still have rubber parts in the
fuel system, not since the early 90s for European (and Japanese)
cars, and, I'm told, not since the mid-90s for US models. At the
latest, I should think. So it's really only old models that might be
affected. No
Hello Kim
My information comes from page 443 of Stocking Up III: America's Classic
Preserving Guide by Carol Hupping and the staff at the Rodale Food
Center. The book refers to studies done at Pennsylvania State
University. Unfortunately, that is all the information it gives. I
quoted off the
Hello,
This is Michael Cottle writing to you from Lima Peru.
I joined this group because I would to get in touch with colleges with
experience in biodiesel production who might be willing to help me devellop
a formulation (using ethanol instead of methanol) in order to come with an
Yes, in that case I would break up the loads ... so that an inverter would
be powering the need-AC-but-lower-power items like the clock and dryer motor
... but connecting things like heater elements (high power but no care if
AC/DC) directly to the 240 volt battery pack.
Curtis
Get your free
- Original Message -
From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Future of Fuel-Efficient Cars / The Thirst for
Oil
Ridiculous, isn't it? I've moved much further away from work, but
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] bio to grid
I am purchasing a homestead in Oregon and looked into generating my own
electrical requirements using the power grid for storage and
the use of a generator to run electric stoves is very expensive better
to use propane same for driers and if you capture the heat from gen set
use hydronics or a small heat pump to move the heat , look up
polarpowerinc.com they have a bunch of explaining on this sort of thing
and they have
Keith Addison wrote:
It's much easier to maintain a small herd as opposed to a solitary
animal.
I also keep sheep, emus and pigs, so the cow will not be alone. I have
looked at the miniatures, but they are expensive. I have found they
don't do well as dairy producers on straight
this protein is a type of viriod , spelling may be wrong , but if you
blew a small pox virus to the size of an elephant this viriod would
still only be the size of a mouse , and a centrifuge after several days
will hardly concentrate it to the bottom of a test tube. Robby
Okay, I was referencing the thread. I will contact ADM to see what they
are doing with it. =)
James Slayden
On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Keith Addison wrote:
Hi James
Hi Keith,
There was an interesting quip in your post that I found interesting and
had a question on.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003,
Ok, until I get through to them, here is a link for the latest news on
their oils division:
http://www.admworld.com/news/articles/12_16_02_specialty.htm
James Slayden
On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Keith Addison wrote:
Hi James
Hi Keith,
There was an interesting quip in your post that I found
this protein is a type of viriod , spelling may be wrong , but if you
blew a small pox virus to the size of an elephant this viriod would
still only be the size of a mouse , and a centrifuge after several days
will hardly concentrate it to the bottom of a test tube. Robby
Prions aren't viroids.
Hi Ramjee
Keith:
If you throw in the NGOs brigade (who revel in sailing along *any*
funding_wind [2]) and the forest department (whose idea of 'social'
forestry so far is to plant eucalyptus trees all over India) - I
don't know what the outcome is going to be.
* That bad? They know there
Greg wrote:
This is somthing that I have been interested in for some time now, and have
been looking for more info, as to how to set things up ( like how to build a
tread mill, or a cage wheel ).
I know in some Public University Libraries I've seen old books
and magazines speak to your
actually MM, Rayon is made from corn starch and some nasty chemicals. :)
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, murdoch wrote:
Have a struggling economy and a president who hopes to blue
blazes consumers go out and buy, buy, buy? Not on your life if
the cost of goods start going up as a result of increase
I think that any citrus juice will tenderize the meat. I don't eat meat
anymore, but for those that do that is what I used to do with other spices
and marinade stuffs.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Hakan Falk wrote:
Adrenaline, which is very common in hunting when you chase the game!
It
is very
Kewl, looking forward to your updates!!
On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Darryl McMahon wrote:
James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked:
Are you using a VoltsPorsche kit? I was wondering how those work out.
I am not using the VoltsPorsche kit. I did get the video and manual from
ElectroAutomotive -
hehehehehe, point taken.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, csakima wrote:
I have a comment though. I personally think that Public Acceptance ...
is
MANY more time a powerful force than any net energy gain or any other
scientific reason.
I'm not saying that net energy gain is ...er ... not important.
I have heard that it is the critric acid thatdoes the job, and it is suposed
to do a number on microbes / bacteriea as well.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 13:26
Subject: RE: [biofuel]
Ok,ok, citric acid, not critic acid. Althow critic acid has been known to
a number of things as well. {:-P
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 14:00
Subject: Re: [biofuel] industrial livestock
At 13:14 Monday, you wrote:
the use of a generator to run electric stoves is very expensive better
to use propane same for driers and if you capture the heat from gen set
use hydronics or a small heat pump to move the heat , look up
polarpowerinc.com they have a bunch of explaining on this sort
kirk wrote:
Clues in the petrol?
But if so why not in all towns?
This could be the canary in the coal mine. Uh oh. What have we done now?
Kirk
[snip]
This is interesting. Here in Pinellas County, Florida, sparrows used to
be common as flies. I really hadn't thought about it, but I
Yeah, I was looking at the site today and it looks like they're doing some
nanotube-esque thing. Dunno about the timeline though, as nanotube stuffs
are already making it into the mainstream in the power cable
industry. Very interesting site, thanks for the link. :)
James Slayden
On Sat, 4
csakima wrote:
[snip]
And oh, BTW if you're in Florida ... watch those so-called chads.
No need. We got rid of the Votamatic machines, and the punch cards with
them.
AP
--
Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than
a career. Aviation is a way of life.
Keith Addison wrote:
Alan S. Petrillo wrote:
Or age it. But then aging meat the old fashioned way is not FDA
approved.
On the other hand, this is USDA-approved:
Feces, vomit on raw meat a growing risk -- WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
[snip]
This kind of reminds me of another Reuters
Just want to add that it cannot be an organism, since if it was,
you would be able to kill it with heating. By the same way you
would do with a bacteria or virus. The problem is the Creutzfeldt
-Jakob Disorder is a protein and that make it not possible to
remove by cooking or similar methods. I
Check out the new (old) article at green trust about heating your domestic
hot water with your wood burning stove, and a solar thermal panel.
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The Dexter is a natural result of the needs in Ireland. When you don't have
surplus then efficiency is necessary.
I think if something else worked better they of all people would use it.
My daughter is into miniatures. She is talking me into trying them.
Expensive to buy means expensive when
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/01/06/TampaBay/Revised_alert_on_fish.shtml
Yet another thing we can thank Florida Power and Light, Florida Power,
and TECO for.
AP
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a career. Aviation is a way of life.
A second language
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:14:50 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
actually MM, Rayon is made from corn starch and some nasty chemicals. :)
Petro chemicals? If so, then I'd stand by the idea that the price might go up
if the price of oil went up, although it's not as direct as, say, nylon.
Biofuel at
Hakan Falk wrote:
No I stop hunting many years ago. As a youngster I hunted with my
grandfather and later with others in the northern parts of Sweden. It was
mainly hunting that was dictated by the needs to keep a balance in nature
and needed knowledge and respect. It was a feeling of doing
Hakan Falk wrote:
I am very sorry a typo, of course it should be Moose in American. I know
that the American Elk (looks more like a big reindeer) is not an Elk in
English. Confusing since in Europe Elk is Elk in English also and as you
pointed out Alce in Latin languages, but Moose in
Hi
gotta chime in here, though I don't want to revive the stupid 'biodiesel
VERSUS SVO debate, as both have their place-
While I agree that SVO is the wave of the future, it's important to point
out that it's very experimental- and a lot of the experimenting takes place
via your vehicle not
I know and I have friends that I go fishing with and would hunt with too.
The season for hunting and the licenses are difficult to maintain, since I
no longer live in Sweden. The attitudes of security, drinking and hunting I
could be without and I do not miss hunting that much anyway. I miss
Hakan Falk wrote:
[snip]
Politics/corporations that are naive, careless, based on short term
profits and irresponsible, YES, but greedy no. I see the quarterly
profit fixation in US as more of seeking social acceptance than greed.
It is also a historical burden from the great depression.
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Hakan Falk wrote:
[snip]
Regarding Salmon, I will publish my recipe on marinated salmon with an
excellent sauce to go with it, if anyone is interested. Only have to write
it down the next time I do it.
Interested!
Salmon is one of my favorite fish.
AP
--
Aviation is more than a
Hi again Darren
Hello Keith
Hi Darren
I don't think any recent-model diesels still have rubber parts in the
fuel system, not since the early 90s for European (and Japanese)
cars, and, I'm told, not since the mid-90s for US models. At the
latest, I should think. So it's really only old
u there's one drawback of running a genset 24/7 that you may ... or
may not have considered. And that is that a genset is usually geared for
producing LARGE amounts of power all the time. Well, as long as it's
running anyways. When asked to produce anything less than full power
Neil wrote:
Remember, the genset will be averaging only about 2-3KW which will
not produce very much waste heat.
For simplicity, the amount of waste heat per day is equivalent to
about 48 pounds (22 kg) of wood or over 17,000 lbs/yr (7,730 kg/year).
NOTE --
I think you mentioned
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hakan, I'd say you have a more accurate picture of Americans than
most
of us do of ourselves. My compliments.
AP
Alan,
I would like to join you in your compliment to Hakan.
I would also like to
kirk wrote:
I headshoot mine. They drop like a sack of hammers.
Like flipping the switch. Here -- gone.
I usually go for heart/lung shots. I'd rather take the high percentage
shot and loose some meat than take a chance on wounding an animal. And
I'll wait for the high percentage shot. If
Curtis,
Thanks for that amazingly clear explanation. You've made a compelling
case for the place of batteries in a genset-based system.
It seems to me that what you've said about gensets need to run at full
power- if any kind of fuel mileage is to be had anyway - means that
WVO or SVO as fuels
murdoch wrote:
I have a question as to some food storage issues, and wonder if
there's a good place where people here go to discuss such matters,
aside from the occasional off-topic post here.
Have a look at Native Nutrition list.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
Hi Mark and all:
Guess I have to chime in here too.
- Agree that biodiesel and SVO are not mutually exclusive. We have
built systems, made biodiesel and experimented with blends for three
years now.
SVO systems (electric) are still our preference, but we do make some
biodiesel. This is
malcolm.scott wrote:
I agree, but this will not happen when people believe, rightly or wrongly
that heavy cars are safer. Also it would be just as much help if people
stopped moving further away from work (unless they telework or travel by
train) and taking jobs that require longer
murdoch wrote:
I'm a little confused. I thought that GM has announced having to turn
to Toyota for hybrid technology to bring these hybrids out. But in
this USA Today presentation, no mention seems to be made of that, and
at the end GM comes off as some sort of supposed innovator in the
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed. If it's more practical to use a smaller fuel cell augmented
with batteries then such a thing is likely.
I predict no success with hydrogen. The stuff is simply too
difficult
to handle. Anything
Hi Alan, Hakan
Too true. This adds some depth on how it's progressed (?) in the last
few decades - I posted it before, but here's the url:
For Richer, by Paul Krugman (8,100-word NYT article, good read)
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/20/magazine/20INEQUALITY.html?ex=1036041836e
Alternative
murdoch wrote:
[snip]
As to having a trailer behind an EV, first you'd need an EV, and that
can be done my many mechanics, but the auto companies are still
largely trying not to put them out there. But yes, dragging a
generator behind an EV, depending on how it's done, could indeed be a
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