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One thing that's important to me about these stories is that we see
too much outright dismissal of consideration of using biomass as fuel,
because some folks are offended by the idea that we spent millenia
trying to grow enough food to
Dear homestead01096 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for the file on BioD and mixes at low temp.
Can you also provide the temp. at which the petroleum fuels got cloudy?
Especially the point at which the dino-diesel used for the mix, gets cloudy
and/or solid?
Thanks,
Filip
Biofuels at Journey to
Steve,
What i would question here from the standpoint of
sustainability, is how the hogs are raised in the
first place. If this is factory farming, I doubt it's
sustainable.
thor
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:47:31 -0500
From:
Having lived in north Carolina when the large-scale hog farming hog waste
water pollution issue came up there a few years ago, I'm really happy to
see this small step happening, even if it doesn't do much for the
sustainability of the actual industrial animal husbandry in the first
place.
actually the conversion of aniaml fats following slaughter does disgust
me. Probably because I am a veggie. =)
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Steve Spence wrote:
why is converting manure to methane gas gross? We used to do it my
farming
days. It's healthier than spreading the liquid stuff on the
anyone know of refurb or salvage 85 or 110 drums. 55's are as common as
dirt, but the larger sizes are somewhat more difficult to find.
SF bay only please. skolnik is in Chicago I believe.
Thnx,
James Slayden
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Keith Addison wrote:
Forwards from the Distillers list:
Tonight's episode (a syndicated repeat) seems to be about Homer and
Bart going into the Grease Biz. There must be a link or something on
the web...
http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F20
A couple of quotes:
Marge: Homer! That side of bacon was for my bridge game tonight!
Homer: Marge, if you
I found that a lot of places that produce stuff in drums (try
chemical suppliers, wholesale food frying/packaging places, for
instance) have to get rid of the drums, and in california it isn't
easy for them. Here they have to pay a drum recycler to take them,
and the recycler then turns
I found that a lot of places that produce stuff in drums (try
chemical suppliers, wholesale food frying/packaging places, for
instance) have to get rid of the drums, and in california it isn't
easy for the
I meant of course that places that make products using ingredients
that come to
Dear Keith,
I am one of the silent(probably)many who follow the posts of this biofuel
group. At present I am not in a postion nor have the means to actively
pursue making my own fuel. Perhaps in the future. This possibility is what
brought me to this site in the first place. Over
Dear Michael,
This was a very nice and uplifting posting and what you are expressing.
Is probably one of the few things that this otherwise lively and interesting
group cannot debate. I can only say that I fully agree with you and
thank you for your posting that in an elegant way also describes
Hi,
Can anyone point me to a biofuel producer or two in the Netherlands (pref
in Amsterdam area)? I live on a boat and am looking to switch from mineral
diesel (which I use both for heating and, in summer, propulsion) either to
B20 (or pure bio if my seals will take it) or MVO.
Also, what's
Hi , I am fairly new to the group, and don't understand some of the groups
abbreviations. Such as WOMD, WMD, SVU, etc. As far as I can work out WOMD means
World Oil Market Domination, (right /wrong).
Could some post or point me to the meanings of commonly used abbreviations by
the group.
I am a member of the Distillers group, and distill alcohol for drinking. Can I
use my 95% ABV product as it is in my mower and whipper/snipper, with out any
modifacations to them. Or do I need to resize the jets and modify any other
parts.
Thank again Shane.
Eat-Drink-Smoke and be
http://www.energy.psu.edu/NEWS/Penn%20State%20News_H2O.pdf
One thing that's important to me about these stories is that we see
too much outright dismissal of consideration of using biomass as fuel,
because some folks are offended by the idea that we spent millenia
trying to grow enough food to
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EERE NETWORK NEWS -- February 26, 2003
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE).
http://www.eere.energy.gov/
Hi all,
I am preparing a small piece for my web site and thought that it could be
interesting for the group. If you have any comments, let me now.
Hakan
Individual room temperature control in HVAC systems.
by Hakan Falk, Energy Saving Now.
Research at Royal Institute of Technology (KTH)
Do you have a Pepsi or Coke bottling plant nearby? Give them a call and ask
them what they do with the syrup drums when they are empty.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 16:39
Subject:
WOMD - Weapons Of Mass Destruction, SUV - Sport Utility Vehicles, WVO/SVO -
Waste Vegetable Oil / Strait Vegetable Oil ( new veg. oil ). This will get
you started, I would give you more, but, just got up and the brain is still
in sleep mode.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: Shane
As to SVO, are there sources for this other than the jugs at the
supermarket? Halfway reasonable prices? Is any (or much) filtering needed
for SVO as opposed to all the work for WVO?
In general, it seems to me (though I'm really just starting down this path)
that going the veggie oil route is
If you're a DIY'er , mating an engine oil sump pump to some kind of
appropriate motor (maybe even a cordless drill for small amounts of
oil pumped) should work really well- they're selfpriming up to a
point, and are 'bulletproof' gear pumps. The one I got came from a
Chevy 350 and it has a
Granted it has been around a long time and still used in commercial
refridgeration, but I think that the utilization of a sterling cycle
compressor is a better way to go. Yes, ammonia refridgeration could be a
stepping stone, but again the concentrated ammonia is highly poisonous.
Dunno, whats
Can someone suggest a good place to look for 55 gallon drums. I know where
to buy them new for 32.00 each but I saw a post a while back that said
people were paying around 7.00 each for them. I live in the Dallas
FortWorth Texas area (USA)
Thanks
Doug Allbright
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Microsoft
hrmm, do they have a reuse systen in your state? They do out here called
CALMAX that you can get lots of things from.
James Slayden
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Doug Allbright wrote:
Can someone suggest a good place to look for 55 gallon drums. I know
where to buy them new for 32.00 each but I saw
Ed
I have a 1978 Land Rover which has a mercedes OM617 (3L) fitted. I
came across it when I was looking for a clean Land Rover in which to fit
a Merc engine (it's quite a rare conversion). I have spoken to the
mechanic who did the conversion and he said that if he was doing a
similar project
James,
If you can show me how the sterling will run from 80 degree Celsius
solar heated warm water, I think we have an absolute winner. If
then the compressor would work with a gas that is not dangerous or
contribute to Global warming. A fantastic solution that definitely have
my support.
Still waiting to see a Stirling that is as efficient as other cycles across
the same delta T.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:10 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning
KEITH (no internet access more links).
You're doing this on purpose ... aren't you?? I'll try to look these up
next time I go to the library I guess.
Curtis
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- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL
10:1 compression ... timing ... vaporizing in the carb. That sounds like a
gas (spark-ignition) engine.
Curtis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have 10:1 compression pistons, and I can run on up to 50%
Hey,
I am just waiting to see any real stirling motors that can do any
appreciable amount of work and are available for purchase. Little kits that
power fans from hot cups of coffee are great for the Captain Kangaroo bunch.
But are there any real motors on the order of 5 bhp that arer
anyone know of refurb or salvage 85 or 110 drums. 55's are as common as
dirt, but the larger sizes are somewhat more difficult to find.
SF bay only please. skolnik is in Chicago I believe.
Thnx,
James Slayden
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Keith Addison wrote:
Forwards from the Distillers list:
Caterpillar makes some low compression diesels for the railroad.
They won't start below +40F without preheat.
Low compression means less efficiency too. Don't know why they use such low
compression.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: csakima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday,
I have too little time to deal with factual information, than to spend
time reading misinformation.
Motie
If a person reads only what is acceptable to their own bias, then they are
already fertile ground for, if not already victim of, mis- and
dis-information - perfectly evidenced by your
They're turbocharged two-cycle, probably
Or maybe Detroit only makes two-cycle, but to get the most power large
engines like that are generally some sort of forced [or slightly
persuaded] induction.
---
Martin Klingensmith
infoarchive.net [archive.nnytech.net]
nnytech.net
-Original
Thank you for this detailed info
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark (Maria),
You're right, those engine oil pumps are great! I use several of
them. The
350 chevy ones with the slot type drive are hard to mate to. The GM
V6
engines (2.8, 3.0,
Dear Kirk,
Do not be impatient, maybe James have something to tell us. What
I have seen is that this very old technology is very useful in some
niche applications. To compete in simplicity, costs etc. with the
air conditioning suggested, I did not thought so. In that sense I do
not see Sterling
Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is
supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so
tired
of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't
want to
share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is
They're turbocharged two-cycle, probably
Or maybe Detroit only makes two-cycle, but to get the most power large
engines like that are generally some sort of forced [or slightly
persuaded] induction.
The detroit diesel 2 stroke engine actually requires a supercharger by
design. The
Hi Hakan,
Nope haven't seen any breakthroughs recently. I agree that in a
commercial application ammonia will work well. Even home systems, but
like what was said put the unit outside so if any ammonia leaks the danger
is lowered (except for the neighbors . ;-) ). I think that using PV
The soda - aspartame-methanol toxicity link has been discounted many times -
the concentrations are far too low. See
http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/nutrasweet.html It comes down to your ability
to swill 375 cans of soda in a couple of hours.
Tony
Yahoo! Groups
Mark,
Thank you for the links and if the info is actual, not much happened
since I last looked at it. Must have been a long time ago, since I didn't
even remember the correct spelling, Stirling it should be.
Very interesting anyway and I will read and investigate more about it.
My bet for
Hi James,
I thought so, but was not sure. It is security aspects for this kind
of products, that is sure and I agree with you. They are also many
multiples larger than the old refrigerators. The capacity of an AC
must be at a minimum 10 to 20 times bigger.
It is however a very interesting
Hey Todd
You being a journalist I would bet you could share some links or documentation
that support your argument about aspartame. could you share them with us.
Thanks
Doug
-Original Message-
From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:59 PM
I want one!!
--- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is
supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so
tired
of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't
want
I have been _very_ interested in 2-cycle diesels because of their high
power/weight ratio. The concern was that they smoke too much but
modern designs eliminate a lot of the soot, and clean fuels of course
reduce emissions immensely.
I want to design a small two cycle diesel, but as fate would
The [EMAIL PROTECTED] is as knowledgable a bunch as I have
found on Stirling. Search Yahoo groups.
Archibald is the moderator.
The objections to Stirling were summarized by Don Lancaster
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/resbn51.pdf
and his comments still appear to hold.
I believe that a Rankine engine
Please don't believe that for a moment. There is far too much evidence to
show Aspartame poisoning is very real.
Some victims even act as though they had MS. Remove the Aspartame and they
get well.
Urbanlegends is the Snopes if I remember. Very PC those people.
Kirk
-Original Message-
Dear Keith
I have the problem with the methyle ester we produced from stearin,
crude or olein palm oil. When the temperature drops to about less than
15 or 10 C, the ester become solid waxy ( this might come from some of
the stearin which was not converted to ester ?) but it become clear
Hi,
Is there a way to determine the weight of lye without
a scale. The cheapest scale I could find on Edmund
Scientific was 100 bucks. Is there a general
conversion that is pretty acurate? Thanks.
Dan
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Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center -
Mark,
You can stop waiting.
http://www.stirlingenergy.com/default.asp
kris
--- Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey,
I am just waiting to see any real stirling motors that
can do any
appreciable amount of work and are available for
purchase. Little kits that
power fans from
I don't see what is such a big deal about working with
ammonia. Every farmer (non organic) in the modern world
handles it many times a year, and they're not known to be
geniuses. Good plumbing procedure is a long way from rocket
science. I wouldn't put a unit in my house but,there are
many safe
Tonight's episode (a syndicated repeat) seems to be about Homer and
Bart going into the Grease Biz. There must be a link or something on
the web...
http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F20
A couple of quotes:
Marge: Homer! That side of bacon was for my bridge game tonight!
Homer: Marge, if you
What is luxo junk to one is comfort and safety to another. The general
public votes with its pocket book for SUVs and pickup trucks. Fifty million
Americans can't be politically incorrect.
Dom Amato
- Original Message -
From: Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
I agree. The world seems only to think in sweeping generalities. Sweeping
generalities are almost all wrong. My Mazda Miata, possibly the smallest
car made, is lucky to get 24 mpg.
Dom Amato
- Original Message -
From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
That's probably one of the most lame answers I have heard in a very long
time. I can assure you that the person who was in the SUV does not agree.
Railroad trains can kill SUVs and Yugos can kill pedestrians. Should we ban
railroad trains and Yugos or SUVs and pedestrians? We probably should
Why is it that so many of the people in those sweatshops that you mention
want to become as grotesquely averse to responsible
resource management as we are? In fact, they are more destructive of the
environment than we are. Having so little to begin with they often turn to
the nature and the
I am new to this biofuels group but can't help wondering why so few people
talk about biofuels?
Dom Amato
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Behind the Great Divide
Gumpon writes:
I have the problem with the methyl ester we produced from
stearin, crude or olein palm oil. When the temperature drops
to about less than 15 or 10 C, the ester become solid waxy
(this might come from some of the stearin which was not
converted to ester ?) but it become clear
I wouldn 't recommend determining weight from volume. I also have
bought cheaper scales than that. Ebay is one resource. It sometimes
takes some looking to find them- search under gram balance or triple
balance beam as well as scale there...
flea markets sometimes have stuff like this too. So
Tony,
It would seem that what occurs with aspartame, as with any issue, is that
there are two camps. What is evident in both camps is that methonol is a
derivative, produced during digestion (or simply when exposed to heat). The
only question is at what level does its presence become acute, or
i too have found my 55 gal steel drums through pro-max (santa cruz version of
cal-max). but you might want to try your local bakery...thats where i get mine
for free. ours uses certified organic veggie oil and other certified products
so my mind is at ease as i recently filled them with rain
SPENSE MAKES SENSE!!!
Dom Amato
- Original Message -
From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fw: IS BUSH NUTS? by William Thomas
I'm sick, I'm cranky, and that article was riddled with
You might take a look at this page for information on Oils and esters
characteristics. It gives the different melting points of various oils
http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
-Original Message-
From: gumpon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26,
what the![EMAIL PROTECTED]@!!
what slimy rock did this ^*#%* garbage crawl out from under?
sorry to everyone else, but this sounds like a slightly veiled
version (what, domenick, you embarrassed to come out and say the full
thing?) kind of a familiar anti-immigration argument,
Well, I suppose one might care to get the saw sharpened and cut a hole prior
to prices going through the roof.
Amazing how Americans view a few pennies more for petrol to be more of a
crisis than bombs falling on women and children.
Let the price go through the roof.
In fact, let them go To
Why don't you move your discussions to a group for which it is appropriate?
You are certainly entitled to what ever political opinions you have and you
are entitled to speak whatever you like. This, however, is NOT the place
for it. It is SPAM relative to the topics for which this group is
I went and checked that site out and the unit was 42,000 big ones. And that not
with all the bells and whistles
-Original Message-
From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:24 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered
Last time I asked the price was in the 5 digits. Wish in one hand and spit
in the other to see which one fills up fastest.
- Original Message -
From: Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered
Hi,
crossposting something from our local biodiesel listserve. We'd been
discussing a rumour that VW TDIs will no longer be sold in california. Arggh!
mark
Hi All,
I was told that last week by the service manager at our local dealer, with
the implication that it was due to people like me
lowes stores in the usa have deep fryer oil pumps battery operated , for
the deep friers used for whole turkeys; it even has a screen on the
intake . price about 30 buck ' s Robert
Keith Addison wrote:
hello to all. Just joined and am setting up to make my
own fuel. I have a question. What
Hah!
--- Domenick V. Amato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is luxo junk to one is comfort and safety to another. The general
public votes with its pocket book for SUVs and pickup trucks. Fifty million
Americans can't be politically incorrect.
Dom Amato
- Original Message -
Hey Doug,
You've amused...I mean assumed wrongly.
I just care to have a little supportive reference to studies or at least be
informed of the principal making the assertion - not the off-hand factual
dismissals correlating to an 8 ounce glass of fruit juice.
Don't suppose you know of anyone
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
10:1 compression ... timing ... vaporizing in the carb. That
sounds like a
gas (spark-ignition) engine.
Curtis
Yes, it is. Or used to be, until I 'tweaked' it. Now it's sort of a
multi-fuel, with a preference for
Very Cool! I wrote them requesting availability of various equipment - lets see
what happens.
Mark
--- Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark,
You can stop waiting.
http://www.stirlingenergy.com/default.asp
kris
--- Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey,
I am just
Say Dom,
Did you bother to look at the entire thread? Or are you the new self-
appointed Topic-Cop?
fred
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Domenick V. Amato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Why don't you move your discussions to a group for which it is
appropriate?
You are certainly entitled to
Domenick V. Amato wrote:
Why don't you move your discussions to a group for which it is appropriate?
You are certainly entitled to what ever political opinions you have and you
are entitled to speak whatever you like. This, however, is NOT the place
for it. It is SPAM relative to the
Also,
do you know what spam really is (in terms of the internet and not
hormel?)
fred
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Say Dom,
Did you bother to look at the entire thread? Or are you the new
self-
appointed Topic-Cop?
fred
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Caterpillar makes some low compression diesels for the railroad.
They won't start below +40F without preheat.
Low compression means less efficiency too. Don't know why they use
such low
compression.
Kirk
I don't know a lot
Ancient Arabian proverb:
It is not a wise man who makes much flatulence in a tent filled with
strangers.
- Original Message -
From: Domenick V. Amato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel]
Mark,
Now...now. Everyone knows that sweatshop workers aspire to the same chicken
in every pot and two cars in every garage as do all westerners. But in order
for them to attain the same dream as Domenick, they must exploit their
resources, which obviously makes them far more virulent a force
I am a member of the Distillers group, and distill alcohol for drinking.
Can I use my 95% ABV product as it is in my mower and whipper/snipper,
with out any modifacations to them. Or do I need to resize the jets
and modify any other parts.
Thank again Shane.
Hi Shane,
What is
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