Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, Have these large crops in your garden been tested for nutrients? No. They're not abnormally large, at least, I don't think so. There are sunflower plants growing in someone else's garden in Abbotsford that are at least as tall as mine. Last

Re: [Biofuel] Separation

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Dave Keith Virgin oil was the first test Wvo next. 1 litre bottles. I.m in the process of stepping up now. This was the first two batched over 1 litre. Uh-huh, let me guess, I'm doing quite well so far - one-litre PET soft-drink bottles, just put it in, shake it 3.5 times or whatever

Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-23 Thread dwoodard
Organically grown crops tend to have their nitrogen in complete proteins. Plants grown with large amounts of nitrogen fertilizer tend to have a certain content of free amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) in the plant sap which the plant-eating (juice sucking) insects find very

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-23 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
robert luis rabello a écrit : Joe Street wrote: Indeed . . . The roots of the new conflict originate in the ashes of WWII. ... that itself originates in the ashes of WWI (traité of Versailles) that itself (concerning western europe) came from the franco-prussian war of 1870 and the

Re: [Biofuel] deacidification

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Ian Hi Keith This is probably the best stuff avalable in my small town, as it is from a food shop renound for quality food. :-) It comes as a surprise to quite a lot of biodieselers when they start titrating restaurant oil and quickly find out which ones really produce quality food. 6ml

Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
Quite right Doug. Best wishes Keith Organically grown crops tend to have their nitrogen in complete proteins. Plants grown with large amounts of nitrogen fertilizer tend to have a certain content of free amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) in the plant sap which the plant-eating

[Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-23 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi All, I just read where the great Pat Robertson leading his flock on the 700 Club has suggested that the U.S. should assassinate President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. I'm mean really when supposedly religious men advocate murder I'm just completely disgusted. BTW the "reasoning" behind this is

Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-23 Thread bob allen
Quite a prolife christian, huh. Tom Irwin wrote: Hi All, I just read where the great Pat Robertson leading his flock on the 700 Club has suggested that the U.S. should assassinate President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. I'm mean really when supposedly religious men advocate murder I'm just

Re: [Biofuel] lye

2005-08-23 Thread Joe Street
Hi Don; The comment about walmart, I knew would be humorous to some on the list but it was serious too. There is much interest on this list about fighting globalization and avoiding giving any support to large multinational corporations. Many folks I come across seem to think biodiesel is a

Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-23 Thread marilyn
Doug wrote: Organically grown crops tend to have their nitrogen in complete proteins. Plants grown with large amounts of nitrogen fertilizer tend to have a certain content of free amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) in the plant sap which the plant-eating (juice sucking) insects find

Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've got an idea about the crop food, that consist in this sentence scheme: produce renevable energy - carbon dioxide+NOx+SOx and so on mixed ashes with other nutrient derived solid substance after fermentation good quality crop food. Bye Ezio Quite right Doug. Best wishes

Re: [Biofuel] alternative biodiesel process - patent

2005-08-23 Thread Peter Morgan
Joe: Here is a link to the patent http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=biodeisels2=electrodeOS=biodeisel+AND+electrodeRS=biodeisel+AND+electrode United States Patent Application 20050120621

[Biofuel] Biodiesel processore

2005-08-23 Thread john owens
I am looking for a biodiesel processor to produce up to two million liters a year. Ive been to the Engera site there largest p4000 processor looks good but is there a cheaper skid mounted processor Available. ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] Propane Water Heating (was Lignin crop redidue breakdown)

2005-08-23 Thread Darryl McMahon
Brian, my summer place is also in the forest. I'd rather use solar directly than harvest wood any day. It's simply the time saved and physical effort expended. I do cut trees when I have to, and wood is also our primary heat source at the summer place, not that it needs a lot given the

Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-23 Thread robert luis rabello
bob allen wrote: Quite a prolife christian, huh. I've read somewhere that Many who are insincere will join them . . . You can tell the REAL ones from the pretenders by how closely they follow the one they claim to love. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for

[Biofuel] US shuts down Somalia internet

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Redler
US shuts down Somalia internet The US believes the two companies also support Bin Laden Somalia's only internet company and a key telecoms business have been forced to close because the United States suspects them of terrorist links. I would say it is very depressing and if I could find any

Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-23 Thread Clif Caldwell
robert luis rabello wrote: bob allen wrote: Quite a prolife christian, huh. I've read somewhere that Many who are insincere will join them . . . You can tell the REAL ones from the pretenders by how closely they follow the one they claim to love. robert luis rabello

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-23 Thread L . Mark Finch
Not everyone thinks that Steve Levitt is infallible: http://maxspeak.org/mt/archives/001540.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to

Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Doug wrote: "Organically grown crops tend to have their nitrogen in complete proteins. Plants grown with large amounts of nitrogen fertilizer tend to have a certain content of free amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) in the plant sap which the plant-eating (juice sucking) insects

[Biofuel] Robertson / Chavez story on CNN

2005-08-23 Thread des
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All

Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-23 Thread robert luis rabello
a thought... Clif I JUST heard it on NPR! Here's the quote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNewsarticle=UPI-1-20050823-09170200-bc-us-robertson.xml I've read the entire New Testament from beginning to end, and nowhere do I find

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson / Chavez story on CNN

2005-08-23 Thread Hakan Falk
What mental hospital let this Robertson out too early? Does US not have the money to treat their basket cases in proper facilities? Hakan At 13:26 23/08/2005, you wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/ ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
Comments below... Doug wrote: Organically grown crops tend to have their nitrogen in complete proteins. Plants grown with large amounts of nitrogen fertilizer tend to have a certain content of free amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) in the plant sap which the plant-eating

Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
robert luis rabello wrote: bob allen wrote: Quite a prolife christian, huh. I've read somewhere that Many who are insincere will join them . . . You can tell the REAL ones from the pretenders by how closely they follow the one they claim to love. robert luis rabello

Re: [Biofuel] US shuts down Somalia internet

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
Why such an old story Michael? 23 November, 2001. I remember that happening and I'm not sure what happened since, but it seems to be working. http://somalinet.com/dir/ Somali - SomaliNet - Somalia: - Internet Directory http://www.arabji.com/Somalia/ Somalia Internet Guide - Somalia's Portal,

Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-23 Thread Tom Irwin
. Just a thought... ClifI JUST heard it on NPR!Here's the quote:http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNewsarticle=UPI-1-20050823-09170200-bc-us-robertson.xmlI've read the entire New Testament from beginning to end, and nowhere do I find admonitions to murder people we don't like, or whose

Re: [Biofuel] US shuts down Somalia internet

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Redler
...sorry Keith. It was part of a discussion I had with a friend. I became really switched-on about it,looked it up and posted it without looking at the date. MikeKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why such an old story Michael? 23 November, 2001.I remember that happening and I'm not sure

Re: [Biofuel] lye

2005-08-23 Thread Vincent zadworny
hi yall, all i ahve to say is at least the walmarts aren't unionized. ( doesn't make them better but ... ) and that i agree with the going to a chemical shop. they will have what you need. vince zJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Don;The comment about walmart, I knew would be humorous to

Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNewsarticle=UPI-1-20050823 -09170200-bc-us-robertson.xmlhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=To pNewsarticle=UPI-1-20050823-09170200-bc-us-robertson.xml I've read the entire New Testament from beginning to end, and nowhere do I find admonitions to murder people we don't

[Biofuel] Q. about Commerce in Somolia [was] US shuts down Somalia internet

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Redler
My original post was out of date and didn't include my intentions. I apologize for rushing and not communicating as well as I should have. It was supposed to address questions I have about the determination of commercial entities to appear in the most unlikely places. I'd like to know more

Re: [Biofuel] US shuts down Somalia internet

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
...sorry Keith. No harm done Mike, I just wondered. It made me cross at the time. It was part of a discussion I had with a friend. I became really switched-on about it, looked it up and posted it without looking at the date. Oh, I didn't think of that. That sort of becomes an impossibility

Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The concentration in atmosphere depend from the deforestation. If you cultivate in extreme condition of temperature high concetration of CO2 and other nutrients, you obtain a big results in quantiyt and quality. Is it clear? I hope yes. Wishes Ezio

[Biofuel] Looking for feedback on Biodiesel system

2005-08-23 Thread Hurley, Edward R
List, I was exposed to Biodiesel just a few days ago and have been searching the internet since trying to learn what I could. I have found several homemade systems and a few commercially available systems. I was looking for open honest feedback on the systems available at this web site:

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread C. J. Thornton
The UN will impose economic sanctions on Iran, if Iran doesn't stop playing with nuclear energy. One of these sanctions would be to stop them from selling their oil on the world market. And since Iran is the 4th largest oil producer in the world, it would definitely affect the price of crude

Re: [Biofuel] Looking for feedback on Biodiesel system

2005-08-23 Thread Cohen Andrew J Capt 11 WG/HC
Continuing along that theme, I, too, am looking for people in the DC area to form a Bio Diesel manufacturing coop for sharing expenses and responsibilities. Any takers? Drew Cohen From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hurley, Edward R Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-23 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Yes, Unbelievable, huh? I heard this on NPR this morning and then read the story online (it was picked up by the AP) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050823/ap_on_re_us/ robertson_assassination This guy (I'm being nice) ran for president as a Republican, in 1988. I just don't think his (lack

Re: [Biofuel] Looking for feedback on Biodiesel system

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Ed, welcome I was exposed to Biodiesel just a few days ago and have been searching the internet since trying to learn what I could. I have found several homemade systems and a few commercially available systems. I was looking for open honest feedback on the systems available at this

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Joe Street
C.J.; What the devil has oil to do with it? (everything - I know) Perhaps they would like to save some oil or perhaps they would like to join the nuclear big boys club. Why doesn't Iran have just as much right to 'play with ' as you put it, nuclear energy as any other nation who has the

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Redler
A lot of us could see the war with Iraq coming - even with the dog pony show happening at the UN. Now that US attention is turned toward Iran, there is even more chatter on the Internet about a pending war. However, with resources stretched to the limit and and an effective anti-recruitment

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Hakan Falk
C.J., It is obvious that Iran also have uranium to develop and why would they not be allowed to do so? US and the west would rather see Iran exporting the uranium, than using it. It is obvious that even peaceful use of nuclear energy, is a threat for the needs of US. Uranium is also a fossil

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Bud, I guess anyone with a nuclear weapon doesn´t get attacked by the U.S. (see North Korea) or perhaps if your neighbor gets invaded for its oil you want a deterent so you won´t be attacked. Also it could be that if nuclear energyis good enough for China to increase their electric power

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Joe Street
Hey Mike; What if they called a war and nobody showed? The odd draft dodger is easy to deal with but suppose everybody just folded their arms and said '"no"? Trouble is joe average is too well indoctrinated to consider a little civil disobedience. Where would they incarcerate them all? Gitmo

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Littrell
With China sitting on the Security council and being one of Iran''s biggest customers I wonder how far sanctions will get? Rick C. J. Thornton wrote: The UN will impose economic sanctions on Iran, if Iran doesn't stop playing with nuclear energy. One of these sanctions would be to stop

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Chris Lloyd
Why a war if it is only to remove the enrichment facilities, Israel just nipped across the border and blew up Iraq’s nuclear site. I’m sure a few missiles fire from off shore would do the job. But that does mean they would still control their own oil.   Chris. -- No virus

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread John Hayes
Chris Lloyd wrote: Why a war if it is only to remove the enrichment facilities, Israel just nipped across the border and blew up Iraq’s nuclear site. I’m sure a few missiles fire from off shore would do the job. But that does mean they would still control their own oil. Chris. After the

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Redler
Joe, "...suppose everybody just folded their arms and said 'no'?" Man! Don't do that. I just had to breath into a paper bag for the last ten minutes! The potential of a movement can make the power of money insignificant. "Still wouldn't that be a lark eh?" Ah ha!! A Canuck! I should have

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread dwoodard
Iran has a relatively large population in proportion to its oil supplies. Going back well into the Shah's time it professed to be worried about eventually running out of oil, and was interested in using its oil resources to build up a permanent energy supply through nuclear power. Probably some

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread robert luis rabello
C. J. Thornton wrote: What I'd like to know is - What does a country sitting on top of a sea of oil need with nuclear energy??? A deterrent. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page

[Biofuel] Urine Battery Turns Pee Into Power

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Redler
This kind of goes along with the "sheep urine in your tank" article in the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1503407,00.html). Mike_ Urine Battery Turns Pee Into Power John Roachfor National Geographic News August 18, 2005 Before you next flush

[Biofuel] Photo in the News: Gas Thief Escapes on Tricycle

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Redler
Photo in the News: Gas Thief Escapes on Tricycle August 16, 2005—Speeding from the scene of the crime, a Chinese boy tows a floating plastic bag of stolen natural gas last week. Flouting a government ban, farmers around the central Chinese town of Pucheng frequently filch gas from the local oil

Re: [Biofuel] Photo in the News: Gas Thief Escapes on Tricycle

2005-08-23 Thread des
Michael Redler wrote: * Photo in the News: Gas Thief Escapes on Tricycle * *August 16, 2005*—Speeding from the scene of the crime, a Chinese boy tows a floating plastic bag of stolen natural gas last week. Flouting a government ban, farmers around the central Chinese town of Pucheng

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson / Chavez story on CNN

2005-08-23 Thread AntiFossil
I thought for sure I had seen Robertson being interviewed recently on FOX. If my memory serves me correctly, he had only been out of a facility for the mental challenged for 48 hours. In Madrid, yes that's where it was, Spain!!! But then, most of the Dr.'s in this particular hospital were from

Re: [Biofuel] Photo in the News: Gas Thief Escapes on Tricycle

2005-08-23 Thread AntiFossil
Mike, I'm gonna be laughing about this one for quite sometime now! Let's ride little dude! Great photo, thanks for posting!On 8/23/05, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Photo in the News: Gas Thief Escapes on Tricycle August 16, 2005—Speeding from the scene of the crime, a Chinese boy tows

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson / Chavez story on CNN

2005-08-23 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, Most of the really good Spanish Dr.s, get their education and especially practices in US. Some very popular specialities are mental and beauty treatments. Sweden is well known for replacement surgery, but they have not yet tried to replace human brains with the ones from apes, as far

Re: [Biofuel] Chemical engineer's letter and bioeng

2005-08-23 Thread Pannirselvam P.V
Hi Derick True, I totally agree that trying in correct direction with the interaction with multidicipline colaboration can lead to good sucess, not with limited persistant work sd Pannir On 8/21/05, DERICK GIORCHINO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion. Since the dawn of

Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to

2005-08-23 Thread William Adams
Clif, You are correct in insisting on source verification when reporting anything as serious as the report that evangelist and religious broadcaster Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. That's serious stuff. Today I found the following verifying

Re: [Biofuel] deacidification

2005-08-23 Thread Ian Theresa Sims
I appreciate your patience Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] deacidification Hello Ian Hi Keith This is probably the best stuff avalable in my small town,

[Biofuel] Procter Gamble interested in BioD

2005-08-23 Thread Tony DeCarmine
'Evening, Folks - Yesterday I saw what I believe was an RFP from PG for better catalysts to split various plant and animal oils from their glycerin 'backbone' to yield methylated esters. If I read it right (sorry - it was quick) they would like not to have a glycerin fraction at all. I'm not

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson / Chavez story on CNN

2005-08-23 Thread Sir Woody Hackswell
This is just sad. I can't believe he has the nerve to call himself a Christian. =shudder= Jesus would never advocate the assasination of anyone. He'd be more likely to have him over for dinner and tell parables. :) He's just as crazy as Al Qaida. =sigh= But hey... freedom of speech and all.

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Rodgers
I hope I am not the first to jump in head first on this one. I know there are a lot of much more educated people than me here. Just the same, why shouldn't I spout off? I simply hope for PEACE. The UN will impose economic sanctions on Iran, if Iran doesn't stop playing with nuclear energy.

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Ramsay
What I'd like to know is - What does a country sittingon top of a sea of oil need with nuclear energy??? Think about it. If the price of oil keeps climbing, the more oil Iran can sell means more $$ for them. If they are using their oil to run their own country, they are missing out on some big

[Biofuel] WVO collector and restaurant threatened by rendering company

2005-08-23 Thread Frieda Feen
Hello all, The rendering company (company that collects used restaurant fryer oil), issued angry verbal threats to the Mom and Pop burger joint that gives me their used fryer oil. The restaurant puts their used fryer oil into my buckets, and I schlep it away. The renderers told the

Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-23 Thread TarynToo
On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:17 PM, Brian Ramsay wrote: Think about it. If the price of oil keeps climbing, the more oil Iran can sell means more $$ for them. If they are using their oil to run their own country, they are missing out on some big money. Also, it is good to diversify in

[Biofuel] (no subject)

2005-08-23 Thread savvyauto
I am looking for someone in Alabama, preferably Birmingham area that is making bio fuel that would be willing to show me the process and equipment used. I will also drive to TN, GA, MS, N-FL, if anyone is available. Thanks, Hunter ___ Biofuel

Re: [Biofuel] WVO collector and restaurant threatened by renderingcompany

2005-08-23 Thread Jurie Vorster
Title: Message To my knowledge, we are excempt over here in SA at the moment as it is not petroleum based... just ask them renderes for the PROOF! They should have some sort of paper then... Jurie. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On