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Ok, generally I keep out of the grading discussions because I toss
shrinkwrap on games like I would on sandwiches (in contrast to the
death-threat below). Question: How do you handle funk? Basement funk
(game stored in a damp cellar), smoker&#
Dan Chisarick wrote:
Ok, generally I keep out of the grading discussions because I toss
shrinkwrap on games like I would on sandwiches (in contrast to the
death-threat below). Question: How do you handle funk? Basement funk
(game stored in a damp cellar), smoker's house, cat used the space 10
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is anyone interested in doing something like this? If we each took a certain grade, we could accomplish a lot:
Yes, this was the main reason I registered www.softwarecollecting.org -- to
create an illustrated FAQ of all this stuff, and also a FAQ derived from the
mailin
Freddie Bingham wrote:
Again .. I still disagree for the simple fact that a game can
re-shrinkwrapped and one can obtain the same quality of wrap that most games
That is not true at all -- I can identify with greater than 99% accuracy
whether or not something has been re-wrapped. And although Chr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
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> In a message dated 05/10/2004 9:50:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> > You guys went to school/college together?
> >
>
> Heh, where did you come up with that Marco? No, we live fairly close
> to each other, were discussing Moby scale one
Stuart Feldhamer wrote:
At the most superficial level, both of these are signs that the hobby is on
its way to becoming more commercialized.
A bit of a stretch, but I see your point. Maybe commercialization is a
necessary step toward getting our hobby more recognized? More
recognition means mo
x27;ll even dust off my camera too, if anyone else
wants to pitch in...
Joe G
From: Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2004/05/10 Mon PM 05:28:20 EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Freddie Bingham wrote:
I still maintain the guide is confusing since you have one sit
At the most superficial level, both of these are signs that the hobby is on
its way to becoming more commercialized.
Stuart
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From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Stuart Feldhamer wrote:
Hmmm...
If I had to summarize:
Most people are unhappy that the prices are going ridiculously high.
There is a big argument about whether it should be MS or M(S).
Nobody sees the connection between these two threads?
I don't, actually...?
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Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTE
In a message dated 05/10/2004 9:50:16 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You guys went to school/college together?
Heh, where did you come up with that Marco? No, we live fairly close to each other, were discussing Moby scale one day while plowing through boxes of games at my s
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> Date: 2004/05/10 Mon PM 05:28:20 EDT
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> Freddie Bingham wrote:
>
> > I still maintain the guide is confusing since you have one situation where a
> > grade and modifier can not be used together.
&g
Alexander Zöller schrieb:
>
> I know what you're saying. You crack the wrap, the game is still "stone
> mint", but it will only grade NM.
>
> There's a good reason to this however. Only with the factory wrap can a
> game be graded mint, because once opened, it's no longer "as it comes from
> the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
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> Yup, remember Jim, when we were discussing the Moby scale (long time
> ago, at my storage locker I believe)
You guys went to school/college together?
Marco
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Stuart Feldhamer schrieb:
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> Hmmm...
>
> If I had to summarize:
>
> Most people are unhappy that the prices are going ridiculously high.
>
> There is a big argument about whether it should be MS or M(S).
>
> Nobody sees the connection between these two threads?
Yeah, we don't have real probl
Hmmm...
If I had to summarize:
Most people are unhappy that the prices are going ridiculously high.
There is a big argument about whether it should be MS or M(S).
Nobody sees the connection between these two threads?
Stuart
From: "Freddie Bingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:46 PM
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
> Again .. I still disagree for the simple fact that a game can
> re-shrinkwrapped and one can obtain the same quality of wrap that mos
nterested in his NM/F one, and will
ask more questions if I'm concerned about C.E.'s ratings.
Hugh
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From: Freddie Bingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: May 10, 2004 5:46 PM
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Again .. I still disagree for
die Bingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Again .. I still disagree for the simple fact that a game can
> re-shrinkwrapped and one can obtain the same quality of wrap that most
games
> were shipp
In a message dated 05/10/2004 4:29:02 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe there is confusion over why the term Mint was chosen? Because
"mint condition" implies, in numismatics anyway, "freshly minted" or "in
the same condition as it was created in the mint". The pinnacl
eddie
Lucasarts Museum - http://lucasarts.vintagegaming.org
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:28 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
>
> Freddie Bingham wrote:
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> >
Freddie Bingham wrote:
I still maintain the guide is confusing since you have one situation where a
grade and modifier can not be used together.
Taken at face value, yes, I can see how this might be confusing.
However, if someone understands the motivation behind software
collecting and the ter
and MS keeps people from saying unseald games are "Mint" when we've all
agreed (in the past) that they're not.
Hugh
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From: BL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: May 10, 2004 4:15 PM
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That's b
That's been my exact gripe with the scale since the first day I discovered
it.
Brad
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From: "Freddie Bingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:37 PM
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> I still maintai
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From: Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Alexander Zöller wrote:
> Would MS indicate not only the box and contents, but also the wrap is in
> flawless condition?
>
> For me M(S) means the
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> Jim Leonard wrote:
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> > Excellent. I've added it to the MobyScale, which now inches up to
> > revision 1.03. The full permanent location of the MobyScale, a
Jim Leonard wrote:
> Excellent. I've added it to the MobyScale, which now inches up to
> revision 1.03. The full permanent location of the MobyScale, as always,
> is "http://www.mobygames.com/info/MobyScale";.
Very many thanks. Back to more important topics we go ;-)
Alexander
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Alexander Zöller wrote:
Good idea! I've never seen that usage before, but "(wrap: G)" makes
perfect sense and is valid. If you agree, I can add it to the FAQ
section of the MobyScale -- let me know.
That would be nice! It would really help for the few cases in which one may
want to also describe
Holger Bachert wrote:
To me, "mint" means simply no blemishes or defects in the packaging
or media.
especially when
every dodo can reshrink whatever he wants (and that happens all the time).
Yes, which is why I am working (slowly) on a FAQ/web page of how to
determine what wrap is original and
Holger Bachert wrote:
> In my opinion the whole shrinkwrap issue is way overrated - especially
> when every dodo can reshrink whatever he wants (and that happens all the
> time).
> just my 2 ct of course.
Very true. I'm only making a fuss about this because of what the actual
factory wrap means
Jim Leonard wrote:
> No, that is not what I am saying. VG (S) means a box that has a few
> defects (usually crushing, a dent, etc.) but still has the shrinkwrap.
[and]
> Well, G (S) to describe the WRAP would be incorrect usage of the Scale.
Acknowledged. No downgrading of a game when only the
> To me, "mint" means simply no blemishes or defects in the packaging
> or media.
Absolutely. Mint should always mean the complete package - what's a
shrinkwrap worth if the rest of the item literally falls apart? Frankly,
I'd prefer a clean but opened specimen over a shrinkwrapped one any day.
I
Peter Olafson wrote:
To me, "mint" means simply no blemishes or defects in the packaging or
media.
That has been a traditional definition in many hobbies, yes. However,
most examples of that usage in other hobbies were for hobbies for which
there was no shrinkwrap. In numismatics (coin collec
Alexander Zöller wrote:
I presume you are saying VG (S) is also wrong because as per
the scale, the game would grade MS regardless of how dirty the wrap is,
No, that is not what I am saying. VG (S) means a box that has a few
defects (usually crushing, a dent, etc.) but still has the shrinkwrap.
Like I said; I gave up on this - there's an anomoly with the scale, and it's
not going to change ;)
Brad
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From: "Jim Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:01 PM
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". So I'm with Jim on this one.
Alexander
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From: BL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jim, we've been over this a few times before.
Say I have 2 wrapped boxes, and rip the wr
BL wrote:
Jim, we've been over this a few times before.
Say I have 2 wrapped boxes, and rip the wrap off one, then rip the wrap
off the other a year later - the first one's box is still in Near Mint,
while
you are telling me that the one I just ripped the wrap off is should be
considered the same,
To me, "mint" means simply no blemishes or defects in the packaging or media.
In fact, I'd argue that a shrinked game can't be verified as "mint" because you can't inspect the contents without breaking the shrinkwrap, and hence can't know whether (for example) the slider on one of the disk slider
Great, we seem to be in agreement on most issues ;)
> You are not wrong. Wrap, of any binding nature, implies that the
> contents of the box are complete and intact. If you have wrap but it is
> not binding (ie falling off and you can open the box around it) then it
> can't be considered MS beca
ame, since Mint is only possible with S? My old arguement
was that "M"
should be a grade alone, while S a modifier; applyable to any grade.
Brad
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:
Alexander Zöller wrote:
Right. So would you agree that both box and wrap need to be immaculate to
score a MS rating? IMO the MobyScale doesn't imply this though: "No
noticable defects *and* sealed in original factory or store shrinkwrap or
sticker."
You are correct. Not immaculate, just still wra
BL wrote:
Oh no, not the M/S conversation again.. hehe, I've learned to just drop this
one - yes, there's an anomoly in the scale, and no it won't be corrected. :)
Mint means "as it comes from the factory". I don't think this fact is
in dispute. Since coming from the factory also means factory
ly turning a yellow color and becoming brittle, that is.
And Jim, once opened, it can no longer be mint. No question about that.
Alexander
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From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:49 PM
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Wel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wiz I've got Wiz 2 shrinked, not only that a rare "demo" copy :) It is
Demo copies are considered rarer than typical releases? I guess that's
technically true, but I hadn't encountered that mentality before.
Having worked in both a Babbage's and Egghead Software in my
Monday, May 10, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
> Well, you can certainly disagree with the scale, but you can't disagree
that
> MS is the way it is currently published in the scale:
>
> http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/conditions.htm
>
> The purpose of the scal
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> Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
>
> Would MS indicate not only the box and contents, but also the
> wrap is in flawless condition?
>
> For me M(S) means the box is perfect and shrinked, while it
Alexander Zöller wrote:
Would MS indicate not only the box and contents, but also the wrap is in
flawless condition?
For me M(S) means the box is perfect and shrinked, while it does leave some
variability for the condition of the wrap, which even if free of tears may
be in lesser shape at times (s
t from being MS.
For example, you could put NM (S) or F (S).
Hugh
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From: Per-Olof Karlsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:44 AM
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Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
I respectfully disagree. ;)
"Sealed" is a flag, much li
that has settled into
the wrap, age discoloration, etc.).
Alexander
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From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 5:27 PM
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Sorry to be anal, but that's one of my specialties :-) --
Mint seal
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Sorry to be anal, but that's one of my specialties :-) --
Mint sealed is "MS" not M(S).
Hugh
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From: Alexander Zöller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday,
Sorry to be anal, but that's one of my specialties :-) --
Mint sealed is "MS" not M(S).
Hugh
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From: Alexander Zöller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:34 AM
To: BL; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Aaargh... yes, th
In a message dated 05/10/2004 8:21:32 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4130364298
from the auction:
" Note: Brand new with all the original manuals/disks/box, etc. Only came
out of the shrink wrap to be photographed. According
the wrap and happily added a note to his
listing that, yes, everything inside was in mint condition.
Alexander
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From: BL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SWCollect] Ouch
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4130364298
from the auction:
" Note: Brand new with all the original manuals/disks/box, etc. Only came
out of the shrink wrap to be photographed. According to the box it works on
any Apple II or III. "
Doh! Not the sharpest tool in the shed...
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