RE: [SWCollect] Best copy protection?
I can remember two really BAD examples: - Chronoquest -- sorry for the long link, but there is a picture and a description here: http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/gamecenter/GAMECENTER_COM%20-%20Features %20-%20Collector's%20Edition%20PC%20Game%20Collecting%20Tips4.htm - Original versions of Elite, which used a device called a LensLok. This one is actually on par with Chronoquest (maybe worse). It's a clear plastic device that you squint through and try to decode a shape on the screen. I have one, and I actually just read an article on it in retrogamer magazine. I'll have to scan or type that in. Hugh -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Best copy protection? I used to think that the best copy-protection was Rocket Ranger -- the codewheel was an integral part of moving around. Then a fellow MobyGames volunteer wrote me this: "The best copy protection ever would be the game Murder In Venice (Amiga). The game comes with over 40 clues - including ticket stubs, paper clips, pictures, even a film roll (that you have to break open to find a clue inside!!)." I agree, that's really cool. Anyone else have some good copy-protection schemes that they remember as being cool or clever? Here's a few more I can think of: - Future Wars. Copy protection showed a paint-by-numbers (outline) picture and asked you what color the section that was currently flashing was. How could you tell? The picture was in full color on the back cover of the manual. :-) - Star Control. Codewheel was just plain funny. Anyone else have fond memories? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[SWCollect] Best copy protection?
I used to think that the best copy-protection was Rocket Ranger -- the codewheel was an integral part of moving around. Then a fellow MobyGames volunteer wrote me this: "The best copy protection ever would be the game Murder In Venice (Amiga). The game comes with over 40 clues - including ticket stubs, paper clips, pictures, even a film roll (that you have to break open to find a clue inside!!)." I agree, that's really cool. Anyone else have some good copy-protection schemes that they remember as being cool or clever? Here's a few more I can think of: - Future Wars. Copy protection showed a paint-by-numbers (outline) picture and asked you what color the section that was currently flashing was. How could you tell? The picture was in full color on the back cover of the manual. :-) - Star Control. Codewheel was just plain funny. Anyone else have fond memories? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Previously owned games resold by chains
Dan Chisarick wrote: I still troll the used item bin for the very occasional vintage goodie that shows up. Found two yesterday: LucasFilm's Tie Fighter and OOP's Perfect General II. At what store? Those are a decade old. Anyway, Tie Fighter was $3.99. Perfect General II was $14.99. WHAT? I got the helpless shrug from the guy behind the counter "that's what came up in the computer". He's right; that probably was the last recorded price when Softsell or whatever warehouse they use last stocked the game. Ten years ago that was a good price -- they obviously just haven't repriced it since then. nothing the J Leonard blow-dryer technique can't handle (I'm afraid I'll damage the box w/the heat, but I'll give it a shot anyway). I can't take credit for that technique; I believe either Tom or Chris first suggested it to me once 3+ years ago when we were out trolling for oldgames in the northern Illinois region. As for hurting the box, it's difficult to hurt the box doing that. It is easy to hurt 5.25" DISKS doing that, but I have used it to remove large ugly labels from 5.25" disks before. One box even had the original receipt in it, with the buyer's name and address. Maybe I'll drop him a post-card and ask him if he has anything else to sell. THAT technique was first suggested by Chris, no doubt about it ;-) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
The two Cinemaware titles that were not Amiga-first were S.D.I. (released first for the Atari ST) and King of Chicago (Mac). Had Cinemaware remained afloat, this honor would have eventually shifted to PC, which (circa 1990-91) was becoming the lead system for C'ware computer games in development. (Alas, not soon enough to save the company.) PeterJim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Olafson wrote:> Primarily, yes. But King of Chicago was released for the Mac first and > later ported to the Amiga.That contradicts everything I know about Cinemaware, so either you're wrong (not likely) or my knowledge is incomplete (likely). Is there a reference or person I can consult to learn more about this?-- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/--This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed tothe swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect'Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
For a software developer I hope they wouldn't confuse the two
platforms. Still its interesting. I didn't know it existed, but then
my Mac collection is pretty small and to be honest, not too many of the
games I remember for it really grabbed me. Except
I've been looking for "Airborne!" for over 3 years for the Mac. I saw
it on ebay *once* over 2 years ago. I lost the auction. I saw it
again 2 months ago or so bundled w/4 other Silicon Beach games. Box,
disk but no docs. Whole lot? $20. I was floored that it went so low,
but I wasn't complaining. Tonight I'll see if the disk is intact. Its
another "Sabotage" style game (men fall from the sky, shoot them before
they blow up your gun emplacement). It had digitized sound which was
awesome back then ('84). Funny how right on the box it says its a
collector's item.
I'd suggest one of the reasons the Mac didn't get too many games was
because the things cost so much, but then again Apple II's weren't
exactly free either. That and monochrome graphics for the longest time
didn't help much as well. Still, many fond memories of "Pool of
Radiance" on the classic Macs in college.
On Jun 11, 2004, at 6:28 PM, Freddie Bingham wrote:
Maybe some more light could be shed by emailing this fellow:
http://www.channelzilch.com/doug/resume1.htm
I wasn't even aware that KofC was released for the macintosh. I know
it was
released for the IIGS, unless we are referring to the IIGS when we
mention
Macintosh in this regard.
Lucasarts Museum - http://lucasarts.vintagegaming.org
-Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
Peter Olafson wrote:
Primarily, yes. But King of Chicago was released for the
Mac first and
later ported to the Amiga.
That contradicts everything I know about Cinemaware, so
either you're wrong (not likely) or my knowledge is
incomplete (likely). Is there a reference or person I can
consult to learn more about this?
--
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Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
Awesome, thanks for the reference. Unfortunately, he was responsible for the embarrassment that was Free D.C.! as well ;-) Freddie Bingham wrote: Maybe some more light could be shed by emailing this fellow: http://www.channelzilch.com/doug/resume1.htm -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
Maybe some more light could be shed by emailing this fellow: http://www.channelzilch.com/doug/resume1.htm I wasn't even aware that KofC was released for the macintosh. I know it was released for the IIGS, unless we are referring to the IIGS when we mention Macintosh in this regard. Lucasarts Museum - http://lucasarts.vintagegaming.org > -Original Message- > From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:23 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables? > > Peter Olafson wrote: > > > Primarily, yes. But King of Chicago was released for the > Mac first and > > later ported to the Amiga. > > That contradicts everything I know about Cinemaware, so > either you're wrong (not likely) or my knowledge is > incomplete (likely). Is there a reference or person I can > consult to learn more about this? > -- > Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > http://www.oldskool.org/ > Want to help an ambitious games project? > http://www.mobygames.com/ > Or check out some trippy MindCandy at > http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently > subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, > send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of > 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
Peter Olafson wrote: Primarily, yes. But King of Chicago was released for the Mac first and later ported to the Amiga. That contradicts everything I know about Cinemaware, so either you're wrong (not likely) or my knowledge is incomplete (likely). Is there a reference or person I can consult to learn more about this? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Time to blend topics
Edward Franks wrote: What I find an interesting observation of human nature in action is the fact so many folks that download stuff illegally turn the whole business into some noble moral imperative. But that's a whole 'nother topic. Which can be quite funny sometimes, depending on the mental capacity of the individual. Or it can be very tedious, like the whole Abandonware movement, which I try to distance myself from. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Time to blend topics
On Jun 11, 2004, at 11:02 AM, Jim Leonard wrote: Edward Franks wrote: I have done this for some music -- download music illegally, listen to it, buy the CD. Nowadays I just listen to streaming radio and/or download it for later listening. The golden-goose questions are how many people download illegally/buy later and just what percentage of what they download do they buy honestly buy later? Given the packrat mentality of so many people into pirating I would be surprised if either of those figures was more than 10%. Just look at the usage figures for BitTorrent. I don't think that many people are sharing Linux ISOs. ;-) True. But at least I'm honest about it ;-) Indeed. :-) What I find an interesting observation of human nature in action is the fact so many folks that download stuff illegally turn the whole business into some noble moral imperative. But that's a whole 'nother topic. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
A small aside: Cliff's coming out with a new game later this year: A Fool & his Money. :)Peter Olafson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They were indeed, and most of them then later ported to other platforms. (Don't get me wrong; Mac did have some very strong support from individual game developers.) Stuart Feldhamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What about The Fool's Errand and the other Cliff Johnson games? Those were designed for Mac, weren't they? Stuart
RE: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
They were indeed, and most of them then later ported to other platforms. (Don't get me wrong; Mac did have some very strong support from individual game developers.) Stuart Feldhamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What about The Fool's Errand and the other Cliff Johnson games? Those were designed for Mac, weren't they? Stuart -Original Message-From: Peter Olafson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:25 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables? Oh, sure; there were probably dozens of games that were Mac-first (others include King of Chicago and virtually every game designed by Chris Crawford from 1985 on :) ), but very few wound up Mac-only. Oids, Pax Imperia, Quarterstaff, Pathways into Darkness, Marathon and Marathon Infinity are the ones that come quickly to mind. But compared to the PC and the Amiga, the number was small. In their way, golf and racing sims are just as roster-oriented as those for other sports. They just don't wear it on their sleeves to the same extent. Peter Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Olafson wrote:> The upshot is that, without much encouragement from the top, few game > publishers invested heavily in the Mac market. (To be sure, there are > exceptions, like Bungie, Cassady & Greene, pre-Activision Infocom, early > Cyan, and, later on, companies like GT Interactive's MacSoft). Most I seem to remember a ton of mostly-unique games that originated on Mac (or were at least very popular on the Mac and took advantage of a mouse interface) and were eventually ported to other platforms -- things like Alter Ego (might have been on other platforms first), Dark Castle, Armor Alley, and ICOM adventure games... is my memory just faulty, or weren't there any unique Mac games? (Or there *were* but they didn't sell?)> The sports-game market seems to have a different ethic. In another >! ! genre, NBA Live 97 might be considered collectible; as a sports game, > it's just old. I suspect sports gamers are so geared to playing with the > current rosters that they don't look back as much as, say, adventure gamers.I had forgotten about the roster aspect. However, this doesn't explain non-roster games like golfing, racing, etc.-- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])World's largest electronic gaming project: http://www.MobyGames.com/A delicious slice of the demoscene: http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/--This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed tothe swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect'Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
Primarily, yes. But King of Chicago was released for the Mac first and later ported to the Amiga. Peter Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Olafson wrote:> Oh, sure; there were probably dozens of games that were Mac-first > (others include King of Chicago and virtually every game designed by Wait, King of Chicago, the Cinemaware game? All Cinemawares were primarily Amiga and then ported to other platforms.-- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])World's largest electronic gaming project: http://www.MobyGames.com/A delicious slice of the demoscene: http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/--This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed tothe swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect'Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
What about The Fool's Errand and the other Cliff Johnson games? Those were designed for Mac, weren't they? Stuart -Original Message-From: Peter Olafson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:25 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables? Oh, sure; there were probably dozens of games that were Mac-first (others include King of Chicago and virtually every game designed by Chris Crawford from 1985 on :) ), but very few wound up Mac-only. Oids, Pax Imperia, Quarterstaff, Pathways into Darkness, Marathon and Marathon Infinity are the ones that come quickly to mind. But compared to the PC and the Amiga, the number was small. In their way, golf and racing sims are just as roster-oriented as those for other sports. They just don't wear it on their sleeves to the same extent. Peter Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Olafson wrote:> The upshot is that, without much encouragement from the top, few game > publishers invested heavily in the Mac market. (To be sure, there are > exceptions, like Bungie, Cassady & Greene, pre-Activision Infocom, early > Cyan, and, later on, companies like GT Interactive's MacSoft). Most I seem to remember a ton of mostly-unique games that originated on Mac (or were at least very popular on the Mac and took advantage of a mouse interface) and were eventually ported to other platforms -- things like Alter Ego (might have been on other platforms first), Dark Castle, Armor Alley, and ICOM adventure games... is my memory just faulty, or weren't there any unique Mac games? (Or there *were* but they didn't sell?)> The sports-game market seems to have a different ethic. In another >! genre, NBA Live 97 might be considered collectible; as a sports game, > it's just old. I suspect sports gamers are so geared to playing with the > current rosters that they don't look back as much as, say, adventure gamers.I had forgotten about the roster aspect. However, this doesn't explain non-roster games like golfing, racing, etc.-- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])World's largest electronic gaming project: http://www.MobyGames.com/A delicious slice of the demoscene: http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/--This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed tothe swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect'Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
Peter Olafson wrote: Oh, sure; there were probably dozens of games that were Mac-first (others include King of Chicago and virtually every game designed by Wait, King of Chicago, the Cinemaware game? All Cinemawares were primarily Amiga and then ported to other platforms. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
Oh, sure; there were probably dozens of games that were Mac-first (others include King of Chicago and virtually every game designed by Chris Crawford from 1985 on :) ), but very few wound up Mac-only. Oids, Pax Imperia, Quarterstaff, Pathways into Darkness, Marathon and Marathon Infinity are the ones that come quickly to mind. But compared to the PC and the Amiga, the number was small. In their way, golf and racing sims are just as roster-oriented as those for other sports. They just don't wear it on their sleeves to the same extent. Peter Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Olafson wrote:> The upshot is that, without much encouragement from the top, few game > publishers invested heavily in the Mac market. (To be sure, there are > exceptions, like Bungie, Cassady & Greene, pre-Activision Infocom, early > Cyan, and, later on, companies like GT Interactive's MacSoft). Most I seem to remember a ton of mostly-unique games that originated on Mac (or were at least very popular on the Mac and took advantage of a mouse interface) and were eventually ported to other platforms -- things like Alter Ego (might have been on other platforms first), Dark Castle, Armor Alley, and ICOM adventure games... is my memory just faulty, or weren't there any unique Mac games? (Or there *were* but they didn't sell?)> The sports-game market seems to have a different ethic. In another >! genre, NBA Live 97 might be considered collectible; as a sports game, > it's just old. I suspect sports gamers are so geared to playing with the > current rosters that they don't look back as much as, say, adventure gamers.I had forgotten about the roster aspect. However, this doesn't explain non-roster games like golfing, racing, etc.-- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])World's largest electronic gaming project: http://www.MobyGames.com/A delicious slice of the demoscene: http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/--This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed tothe swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect'Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
Why is there no market for sports games collectables? My opinion is because sports games just replace one another with each successive release. It's not like they're different games (ie, a new sport). Sure, once in a while I get nostalgic for "Great Baseball" on the SMS, or "Bases Loaded" or "Tecmo Bowl" on the NES. Heck, I even sometimes think of "Superbowl Sunday" for the C64. But there's not the same factors involved in collecting these games as there are for adventures or RPGs. Why would I want to play Superbowl Sunday when I could play Madden 2007 which is (theoretically) much better? OK, maybe it's not much better, and there's the nostalgia factor like I said before, but it's not the same as it is with adventures and RPGs where theoretically every game is different. If someone has never played Hardball or One on One, they'd probably have no interest to do so except as a matter of curiosity. However, they might very well want to go and play King's Quest 1, especially if they've played King's Quest 7 or whatever. Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 12:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables? I was just amazed by this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51333&item=5703687968 One bid, six games in good condition, $8? I have two questions based on this occurance: 1. Is there just no market for Macintosh software collectables? Why the hell not? 2. Along those lines, how come there's no market for Sports game collectables (any platform)? Normally I'd rack up #2 as the "if it's not an adventure, it's not collectable" mentality that 95% of the software collecting scene shares, but that doesn't explain #1. I'm very confused...! -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
Peter Olafson wrote: The upshot is that, without much encouragement from the top, few game publishers invested heavily in the Mac market. (To be sure, there are exceptions, like Bungie, Cassady & Greene, pre-Activision Infocom, early Cyan, and, later on, companies like GT Interactive's MacSoft). Most I seem to remember a ton of mostly-unique games that originated on Mac (or were at least very popular on the Mac and took advantage of a mouse interface) and were eventually ported to other platforms -- things like Alter Ego (might have been on other platforms first), Dark Castle, Armor Alley, and ICOM adventure games... is my memory just faulty, or weren't there any unique Mac games? (Or there *were* but they didn't sell?) The sports-game market seems to have a different ethic. In another genre, NBA Live 97 might be considered collectible; as a sports game, it's just old. I suspect sports gamers are so geared to playing with the current rosters that they don't look back as much as, say, adventure gamers. I had forgotten about the roster aspect. However, this doesn't explain non-roster games like golfing, racing, etc. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
There are a fair number of collectible Mac games, but, overall, the Mac market has never held much interest for collectors. I suspect this can be traced back to Apple's lack of interest in the Mac games market for much of the machine's early history. Initially, it looked down its nose at games. While the Mac II was in fact a potentially excellent games machine, Apple never tried to sell it as one. The upshot is that, without much encouragement from the top, few game publishers invested heavily in the Mac market. (To be sure, there are exceptions, like Bungie, Cassady & Greene, pre-Activision Infocom, early Cyan, and, later on, companies like GT Interactive's MacSoft). Most publishers poked a toe in the water for a game or three, found it freezing cold and spent rest of the afternoon lying on their towel. :) Another upshot is that most of the people who bought Macs weren't gamers ... or weren't gamers first. They were artists, writers, video production people and so on ... or just people with an interest in computing and money to burn. (Until the appearance of the iMac, the Mac was also too expensive to be embraced by the mass market, which also helped kill off its the gaming potential.) I think Apple created a self-fulfilling prophecy: It acted as if the Mac wasn't a games machine and, eventually, it wasn't. By the time Apple did an about-face in the mid to late '90s, it was too late to make up for a decade of neglect, and the philosophy it adopted was (I think) misguided. When it finally embraced games (under John Scully, I think), Apple was all about encouraging ports of PC titles and not Mac-specific or Mac-first games (which have almost vanished; the only recent one I can think of is Alida). It's as if Apple willingly accepted second-class status in the games market, and was happy to have even that. The sports-game market seems to have a different ethic. In another genre, NBA Live 97 might be considered collectible; as a sports game, it's just old. I suspect sports gamers are so geared to playing with the current rosters that they don't look back as much as, say, adventure gamers. Peter Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was just amazed by this:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51333&item=5703687968One bid, six games in good condition, $8? I have two questions based on this occurance:1. Is there just no market for Macintosh software collectables? Why the hell not?2. Along those lines, how come there's no market for Sports game collectables (any platform)?Normally I'd rack up #2 as the "if it's not an adventure, it's not collectable" mentality that 95% of the software collecting scene shares, but that doesn't explain #1. I'm very confused...!-- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])World's largest electronic gaming project: http://www.MobyGames.com/A delicious slice of the demoscene: http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/--This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed tothe swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect'Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
I think its more likely because it was a 3-day auction which didnt run over a weekend - I mean come on, thats just plain stupidity if you actually want to sell something for a reasonable price.. Freddie Bingham wrote: > > As far as Lucasarts games go, the Macintosh versions get no respect > WHATSOEVER so I wouldn't be surprised if the same mentality is at play here. > > Freddie > > Lucasarts Museum - http://lucasarts.vintagegaming.org > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:17 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables? > > > > I was just amazed by this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51333&i > tem=5703687968 > > > > One bid, six games in good condition, $8? I have two > > questions based on this > > occurance: > > > > 1. Is there just no market for Macintosh software > > collectables? Why the hell not? > > 2. Along those lines, how come there's no market for Sports > > game collectables (any platform)? > > > > Normally I'd rack up #2 as the "if it's not an adventure, > > it's not collectable" > > mentality that 95% of the software collecting scene shares, > > but that doesn't explain #1. I'm very confused...! > > -- > > Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > World's largest electronic gaming project: > > http://www.MobyGames.com/ > > A delicious slice of the demoscene: > > http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ > > Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: > > http://www.oldskool.org/ > > > > > > > > -- > > This message was sent to you because you are currently > > subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, > > send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of > > 'unsubscribe swcollect' > > Archives are available at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > > > > > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- --- Howard Feldman, Ph.D. Manager, Structural Bioinformatics The Blueprint Initiative 522 University Avenue, 9th Floor Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5G 1W7 www.bind.ca -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
As far as Lucasarts games go, the Macintosh versions get no respect WHATSOEVER so I wouldn't be surprised if the same mentality is at play here. Freddie Lucasarts Museum - http://lucasarts.vintagegaming.org > -Original Message- > From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:17 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables? > > I was just amazed by this: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51333&i tem=5703687968 > > One bid, six games in good condition, $8? I have two > questions based on this > occurance: > > 1. Is there just no market for Macintosh software > collectables? Why the hell not? > 2. Along those lines, how come there's no market for Sports > game collectables (any platform)? > > Normally I'd rack up #2 as the "if it's not an adventure, > it's not collectable" > mentality that 95% of the software collecting scene shares, > but that doesn't explain #1. I'm very confused...! > -- > Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > World's largest electronic gaming project: > http://www.MobyGames.com/ > A delicious slice of the demoscene: > http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ > Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: > http://www.oldskool.org/ > > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently > subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, > send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of > 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[SWCollect] No market for Macintosh collectables?
I was just amazed by this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51333&item=5703687968 One bid, six games in good condition, $8? I have two questions based on this occurance: 1. Is there just no market for Macintosh software collectables? Why the hell not? 2. Along those lines, how come there's no market for Sports game collectables (any platform)? Normally I'd rack up #2 as the "if it's not an adventure, it's not collectable" mentality that 95% of the software collecting scene shares, but that doesn't explain #1. I'm very confused...! -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Time to blend topics
Edward Franks wrote: I have done this for some music -- download music illegally, listen to it, buy the CD. Nowadays I just listen to streaming radio and/or download it for later listening. The golden-goose questions are how many people download illegally/buy later and just what percentage of what they download do they buy honestly buy later? Given the packrat mentality of so many people into pirating I would be surprised if either of those figures was more than 10%. Just look at the usage figures for BitTorrent. I don't think that many people are sharing Linux ISOs. ;-) True. But at least I'm honest about it ;-) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
