Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Jim Leonard wrote: Chris Newman wrote: What's the story? Is MS abusing its relationship with NBC? Where'd you hear the rumors? Yes, I'm very interested in that. Gates is part snake oil salesman, part gangster, and all opportunist. Rumor has it that Microsoft offered to 1. ignore existing

Re: [SWCollect] Killer App revisited

2001-11-16 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Chris Newman wrote: Wizardry, circa 1982 Doom, circa 1994 1984 (maybe AppleII was earlier) for Wizardry and 1993 for Doom, actually. Defender of the Crown The first crop of Sierra 256VGA/SB games Oh yes, visually speaking, KQ5 (wasn't it the first) was tremendously impressive for its days.

[SWCollect] Chinese PC games

2001-11-16 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Anyone spotted this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1297245902 Well-known PC games... in chinese version. I had never seen anything like these. Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] So long, and thanks for all the fish

Re: [SWCollect] Chinese PC games

2001-11-16 Thread Alexander Zoller
Anyone spotted this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1297245902 Well-known PC games... in chinese version. I had never seen anything like these. These are Chinese releases distributed in Taiwan and Hong Kong. They must be common in that area, but there aren't enough

RE: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Hugh Falk
I'm not thrilled with everything about Windows; however, as a gamer...I don't see how you can't think Windows 95 and later made life MUCH better. Once Win 95 was adopted by game developers, and games were written (well) under it, gaming became so much easier. I still remember the bad old days of

RE: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Pedro Quaresma
EA, MacDonalds, and now Windows... you're scaring me, Hugh! ;) I'm not thrilled with everything about Windows; however, as a gamer...I don't see how you can't think Windows 95 and later made life MUCH better. No, it hasn't. As a gamer, I'd rather have one of the old OSes that wouldn't crash.

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Chris Newman
QEMM was better at optimizing memory usage than DOS 6.22. There were several games that needed QEMM to run on my machine, because DOS' MemMaker wouldn't cut it. Pedro Quaresma wrote: EA, MacDonalds, and now Windows... you're scaring me, Hugh! ;) I'm not thrilled with everything about

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Karl Kuras
From: Pedro Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Memmaker was not optimal. I could get better results by configuring config.sys autoexec.bat myself, usually involving, IIRC, shadowing/unshadowing memory and other interesting tricks. I remember I used to get more than 600k base memory even with sound

RE: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Pedro Quaresma
If your game crashes...you have a complaint with the game, not the operating system (usually). Not really. So many games work on machine A,B C, but not in D, but others only seem to work on C D but not on A B... Poorly written/tested games will crash (or at least not work properly) under

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Well but that's the point of this string... you had to configure the crap yourself! I've never had to do any such thing under windows! You never had to configure anything in Windows? Reduce a bit your sound card acceleration? Tweak around with your gfx card settings? In DOS I only had to

RE: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Hugh Falk
It's up to the game developer to test it on different hardware configurations. The same problem exists with Linux. The problem is that there is less that 5% the number of systems running Linux (for example) that Windows. Apple of course doesn't have the problem with proprietary hardware. If

RE: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Pedro Quaresma
Who knows where we would be if Windows never existed? We could be using for example AmigaOS, which handled multitasking better than most other OSes. Or MacOS which is even easier to use than Windows. Or Linux, BeOS, BSD, VAX (god forbid! ;) ) Anyway, Windows has serious issues, and we're now

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games

2001-11-16 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Pedro Quaresma boldly stated: I have never had to reset any of my system configurations (with the exception of 16 bit or 32 bit color... hate when a game won't accept 32bit color... anyone know what the problem is with that from a coding stand point?) No idea, but there are programs out there

RE: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Hugh Falk
It's pretty much a given that if Windows never existed we'd all have Apples right now. MS basically backstabbed Apple and released Windows...otherwise they would have been on the Apple bandwagon. Commodore and Atari would never have been able to compete with a solidly entrenched Apple/Microsoft

RE: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Pedro Quaresma
2) I RARELY crash. I'm using Windows Me. Worst OS ever :) Going through normal use (Outlook, Word, Excel, FrontPage, various shareware utilities, and a bunch of games) I might have a crash once every couple of weeks. This is acceptable to me. This may sound strange for regular Windows

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games

2001-11-16 Thread Pedro Quaresma
I know I have downloaded one because Pirates! Gold for Windows only works with 256 colors too... wait, lemme check... OK, here it is: http://www.berend.com/qres.html It's calleed QRes and lets you choose a resolution for a specific program you run. Not sure on which Windows versions it works

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Karl Kuras
From: Hugh Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apple would be #1, DOS would be where Apple is today (Maybe with GEM or Geoworks as the shell), and Atari/Commodore (sadly) would be where they are today. I don't know if Commodore would be where it is now had it not been for Windows... granted they were

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: I'm not entirely sure I'd call Gates a gangster or snake-oil salesman -- that's Balmer's job and always has been. :-) Even before he became CEO? What did he do before? Biz guy. It's always been his job to wheel and deal. My only real lament with the rise of

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: I'm not thrilled with everything about Windows; however, as a gamer...I don't see how you can't think Windows 95 and later made life MUCH better. Once Win 95 was adopted by game developers, and games were written (well) under it, gaming became so much easier. I still

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games(wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: Memmaker was not optimal. I could get better results by configuring config.sys autoexec.bat myself, usually involving, IIRC, shadowing/unshadowing memory and other interesting tricks. I remember I used to get more than 600k base memory even with sound card and CD-ROM

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Jim Leonard
Karl Kuras wrote: never had to reset any of my system configurations (with the exception of 16 bit or 32 bit color... hate when a game won't accept 32bit color... anyone know what the problem is with that from a coding stand point?) for a windows program... it just runs. Laziness or

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games(wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: But this wasn't not a DOS vs Windows issue. If Windows had never existed we would be much better with other stable OSes out there. And we'd still have games. Be careful in your advocacy -- Linux has only recently earned the stable moniker. SVGAlib used to bring your

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games(wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: You never had to configure anything in Windows? Reduce a bit your sound card acceleration? Tweak around with your gfx card settings? What the heck is reducing sound card accleration? I only tweak GFX if I'm trying to overclock and get better performance :) But to

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games(wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: Who knows where we would be if Windows never existed? We could be using for example AmigaOS, which handled multitasking better than most other OSes. Or At the time, it was the only mainstream multitasking OS so I'm not sure what you're comparing it with. Hopefully not

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games(wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Jim Leonard
Pedro Quaresma wrote: 2) I RARELY crash. I'm using Windows Me. Worst OS ever :) Going through normal use (Outlook, Word, Excel, FrontPage, various shareware utilities, and a bunch of games) I might have a crash once every couple of weeks. This is acceptable to me. This may sound

RE: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Hugh Falk
But the Mac wouldn't have been a failing system with Microsoft as an ally (instead of competition). The Apple was on its way to being HUGE when it was undercut by Microsoft. Maybe OS/2 would have had a chance without Windows though. Don't get me wrong...I was one of the BIGGEST Commodore and

RE: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (wasshock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Hugh Falk
No...a patch for our PS2 games was never discussed as an option. If something disastrous were to happen, we would have to recall I'm sure...it would have been horrible. Our QA effort was tremendous, and it is certainly possible to create bug free (or acceptable bug-only) games even with today's

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Karl Kuras
From: Hugh Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the late 80's hard drives were common on STs and Amigas (I had two). They may have been common here in the states, but over in Europe (where the bulk of Amiga users and games were) barely anyone had them. Most of the kids I went to high school with had

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer

2001-11-16 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: - Dot-matrix printer drivers would simulate higher resolution by overprinting (printing once, then half a pixel over, then half a pixel down, then half a pixel down and over) -- could simulate ~300 DPI on a 9-pin dot matrix printer Sounds very slow. Was it? -- Lee

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer Games (was shock))))

2001-11-16 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: By the late 80's hard drives were common on STs and Amigas (I had two). The problem with games is that the copy protection often kept you from installing them on a hard drive (on all platforms). That's why code wheels, page numbers, etc. became so popular. I hated them,

Re: OT Gates (was: [SWCollect] Rogue (was Killer Games (was Soccer

2001-11-16 Thread Jim Leonard
Lee K. Seitz wrote: Jim Leonard boldly stated: - Dot-matrix printer drivers would simulate higher resolution by overprinting (printing once, then half a pixel over, then half a pixel down, then half a pixel down and over) -- could simulate ~300 DPI on a 9-pin dot matrix printer Sounds

[SWCollect] 1983 IBM educational titles

2001-11-16 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Well I had an interesting lunch today. A friend had spotted a message in a thread in the local newsgroup (yes, my city has it's own Usenet newsgroup) about some place full of surplus computers. So today, three of us went to check it out. As I said, it was very interesting. After we finally