When the high-enders get their own copies of given titles
will they leave those alone in next time appearings or do they
gather everything they can get, even multiple times?
I think once the high rollers are out of the way the prices will come down.
Depends on the bidders though... I know
In any case though, I propose we start an investigation, and over time,
formulate a ever-growing list of these people and black list them so
That's a bad idea. Many of them simply collect this way, or do so
intentionally so that they can raise money to buy the software they've
always
Man am I glad work was busy today and I missed this one. Christ. B-)
Since this thread's died down as of about 6:00 today I won't help jump-start
it again, except to say I'm glad to hear people find my ratings of my sale
items accurate and useful. I've always tried to err toward F(S) rather
Most people on this list are probably collecting for reasons other than
financial gain (though nothing wrong with collecting to sell for profit
or a mix, especially if the profit goes to buying more games). While
I'm no economic theorist, I think prices will settle down after a bit.
Why? As
Hmmm...
If I had to summarize:
Most people are unhappy that the prices are going ridiculously high.
There is a big argument about whether it should be MS or M(S).
Nobody sees the connection between these two threads?
Stuart
Stuart Feldhamer schrieb:
Hmmm...
If I had to summarize:
Most people are unhappy that the prices are going ridiculously high.
There is a big argument about whether it should be MS or M(S).
Nobody sees the connection between these two threads?
Yeah, we don't have real problems ;-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Yup, remember Jim, when we were discussing the Moby scale (long time
ago, at my storage locker I believe)
You guys went to school/college together?
Marco
--
This message was sent to you because
Freddie Bingham schrieb:
You could stick me on that list. If I see something with a buy-it-now of $5
(that I don't need) and I know I can relist it and sell it for $60, I'll do
it. Just another way to fund this ludicrous obsession of cardboard box
collecting.
There is nothing wrong with
Alexander Zöller schrieb:
I know what you're saying. You crack the wrap, the game is still stone
mint, but it will only grade NM.
There's a good reason to this however. Only with the factory wrap can a
game be graded mint, because once opened, it's no longer as it comes from
the factory.
Stuart Feldhamer wrote:
Hmmm...
If I had to summarize:
Most people are unhappy that the prices are going ridiculously high.
There is a big argument about whether it should be MS or M(S).
Nobody sees the connection between these two threads?
I don't, actually...?
--
Jim Leonard ([EMAIL
At the most superficial level, both of these are signs that the hobby is on
its way to becoming more commercialized.
Stuart
-Original Message-
From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch and I Don't
Ok, generally I keep out of the grading discussions because I toss
shrinkwrap on games like I would on sandwiches (in contrast to the
death-threat below). Question: How do you handle funk? Basement funk
(game stored in a damp cellar), smoker's house, cat used the space 10
away as a
Stuart Feldhamer wrote:
At the most superficial level, both of these are signs that the hobby is on
its way to becoming more commercialized.
A bit of a stretch, but I see your point. Maybe commercialization is a
necessary step toward getting our hobby more recognized? More
recognition means
Surely hope this will fade away back to normal soon.
Any predictions what will happen?
Is this temporary or will the prices continue to go
even more insane or stay where they are?
Why would you hope it fades back to normal? I think it's great - if I
thought that 50 years from now all the
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4130364298
from the auction:
Note: Brand new with all the original manuals/disks/box, etc. Only came
out of the shrink wrap to be photographed. According to the box it works on
any Apple II or III.
Doh! Not the sharpest tool in the shed...
Aaargh... yes, that always makes me whince.
There was an eBay auction way back in 2001 for a shrinked Kilrathi Saga,
M(S). Apparently the seller was contacted by a guy urging him to check if
the wrap was authentic and the game truly unopened. Not knowing what to
look for, this poor chap cracked
In a message dated 05/10/2004 8:21:32 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4130364298
from the auction:
" Note: Brand new with all the original manuals/disks/box, etc. Only came
out of the shrink wrap to be photographed. According
Sorry to be anal, but that's one of my specialties :-) --
Mint sealed is MS not M(S).
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Zöller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:34 AM
To: BL; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Aaargh... yes, that always makes me
I respectfully disagree. ;)
Sealed is a flag, much like IM, MMC and so on. And surely you don't write
FMMC for a Fine copy with MMC? Or perhaps NMSTC? That'd make it a lot more
cryptic than necessary, imho.
- Peo
-Original Message-
From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: den 10
Would MS indicate not only the box and contents, but also the wrap is in
flawless condition?
For me M(S) means the box is perfect and shrinked, while it does leave some
variability for the condition of the wrap, which even if free of tears may
be in lesser shape at times (store stickers, grime
While I'm appreciative of the fact that my collection is increasing in
value, I don't see high prices as a good thing. I know I don't collect
for money... I wonder how many of us share your perspective? I'd much
rather be able to add new items to my collection for reasonable prices.
If the
I agree. There are already quite a few people on eBay who
sweep up as many bargains as they can, only to list them a week or two later for
a much higher price. Kind of destroys the hobby, methinks.
- Peo
From: Stephane Racle
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 10 maj 2004
18:28To: [EMAIL
Well, you can certainly disagree with the scale, but you can't disagree that
MS is the way it is currently published in the scale:
http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/conditions.htm
The purpose of the scale is so we could all start using common terminology
as our hobby matures. If you don't
BL wrote:
Why would you hope it fades back to normal? I think it's great - if I
thought that 50 years from now all the games I've collected were going to be
worth the same amount of money, I wouldn't feel any urgency to collect.
I have never collected purely as an investment. I collect titles
For me, the scale is rather useless at any rate. We buy a lot of stuff on
eBay and the scale has no use there, we are lucky to be able to get a half
way decent condition from the seller without offending them in some way by
asking detailed questions. When trading amongst ourselves I find people
I understand your point Steph completely - but
that's the nature of collecting, isn't it? I'm not sure what you percieve
my perspective to be, but I started collecting just because I thought it would
be really cool to have sealed copies of all the games I played growing up.
I still only
Per-Olof Karlsson wrote:
I agree. There are already quite a few people on eBay who sweep up as
many bargains as they can, only to list them a week or two later for a
much higher price. Kind of destroys the hobby, methinks.
There will always be people who want to make some money; I don't have a
Oh no, not the M/S conversation again.. hehe, I've learned to just drop this
one - yes, there's an anomoly in the scale, and no it won't be corrected. :)
Brad
- Original Message -
From: Hugh Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: RE:
BL wrote:
In any case though, I propose we start an investigation, and over time,
formulate a ever-growing list of these people and black list them so
That's a bad idea. Many of them simply collect this way, or do so
intentionally so that they can raise money to buy the software they've
Basically, MS means factory fresh.
Right. So would you agree that both box and wrap need to be immaculate to
score a MS rating? IMO the MobyScale doesn't imply this though: No
noticable defects *and* sealed in original factory or store shrinkwrap or
sticker.
Sounds to me as if the box needs to
You could stick me on that list. If I see something with a buy-it-now of $5
(that I don't need) and I know I can relist it and sell it for $60, I'll do
it. Just another way to fund this ludicrous obsession of cardboard box
collecting.
Lucasarts Museum - http://lucasarts.vintagegaming.org
BL wrote:
Oh no, not the M/S conversation again.. hehe, I've learned to just drop this
one - yes, there's an anomoly in the scale, and no it won't be corrected. :)
Mint means as it comes from the factory. I don't think this fact is
in dispute. Since coming from the factory also means factory
Oh, indeed! I didn't mean it that way. What I meant (but between the lines I
realize now) is that it kind of kills the market at times. In the end all
the bargains are gone, and all we're stuck with is some resellers who are
only in it for a huge lift-up. That is what I dislike. As long as we have
Alexander Zöller wrote:
Right. So would you agree that both box and wrap need to be immaculate to
score a MS rating? IMO the MobyScale doesn't imply this though: No
noticable defects *and* sealed in original factory or store shrinkwrap or
sticker.
You are correct. Not immaculate, just still
In a message dated 05/10/2004 12:17:17 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You could stick me on that list If I see something with a buy-it-now of $5
(that I don't need) and I know I can relist it and sell it for $60, I'll do
it. Just another way to fund this ludicrous obsession
Jim, we've been over this a few times before.
Say I have 2 wrapped boxes, and rip the wrap off one, then rip the wrap
off the other a year later - the first one's box is still in Near Mint,
while
you are telling me that the one I just ripped the wrap off is should be
considered the same, since
Great, we seem to be in agreement on most issues ;)
You are not wrong. Wrap, of any binding nature, implies that the
contents of the box are complete and intact. If you have wrap but it is
not binding (ie falling off and you can open the box around it) then it
can't be considered MS because
To me, "mint" means simply no blemishes or defects in the packaging or media.
In fact, I'd argue that a shrinked game can't be verified as "mint" because you can't inspect the contents without breaking the shrinkwrap, and hence can't know whether (for example) the slider on one of the disk
BL wrote:
Jim, we've been over this a few times before.
Say I have 2 wrapped boxes, and rip the wrap off one, then rip the wrap
off the other a year later - the first one's box is still in Near Mint,
while
you are telling me that the one I just ripped the wrap off is should be
considered the
I know what you're saying. You crack the wrap, the game is still stone
mint, but it will only grade NM.
There's a good reason to this however. Only with the factory wrap can a
game be graded mint, because once opened, it's no longer as it comes from
the factory. So I'm with Jim on this one.
Like I said; I gave up on this - there's an anomoly with the scale, and it's
not going to change ;)
Brad
- Original Message -
From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
BL wrote:
Jim, we've been over
Alexander Zöller wrote:
I presume you are saying VG (S) is also wrong because as per
the scale, the game would grade MS regardless of how dirty the wrap is,
No, that is not what I am saying. VG (S) means a box that has a few
defects (usually crushing, a dent, etc.) but still has the shrinkwrap.
Peter Olafson wrote:
To me, mint means simply no blemishes or defects in the packaging or
media.
That has been a traditional definition in many hobbies, yes. However,
most examples of that usage in other hobbies were for hobbies for which
there was no shrinkwrap. In numismatics (coin
Jim Leonard wrote:
No, that is not what I am saying. VG (S) means a box that has a few
defects (usually crushing, a dent, etc.) but still has the shrinkwrap.
[and]
Well, G (S) to describe the WRAP would be incorrect usage of the Scale.
Acknowledged. No downgrading of a game when only the
Holger Bachert wrote:
In my opinion the whole shrinkwrap issue is way overrated - especially
when every dodo can reshrink whatever he wants (and that happens all the
time).
just my 2 ct of course.
Very true. I'm only making a fuss about this because of what the actual
factory wrap means to
Holger Bachert wrote:
To me, mint means simply no blemishes or defects in the packaging
or media.
especially when
every dodo can reshrink whatever he wants (and that happens all the time).
Yes, which is why I am working (slowly) on a FAQ/web page of how to
determine what wrap is original and
Alexander Zöller wrote:
Good idea! I've never seen that usage before, but (wrap: G) makes
perfect sense and is valid. If you agree, I can add it to the FAQ
section of the MobyScale -- let me know.
That would be nice! It would really help for the few cases in which one may
want to also describe
Jim Leonard wrote:
Excellent. I've added it to the MobyScale, which now inches up to
revision 1.03. The full permanent location of the MobyScale, as always,
is http://www.mobygames.com/info/MobyScale;.
Very many thanks. Back to more important topics we go ;-)
Alexander
I still maintain the guide is confusing since you have one situation where a
grade and modifier can not be used together.
The highest level should simply be Mint and if sealed it gets the (S). If
you insist on the Mint Sealed rating then it should be moved out of the
same category as NM, F, VG,
Jim, please just use the GOTCHA main page: http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/
since that has the menu to get you to the CURIOUS pages.
And my apologies to those new readers who didn't know about the Pandora's box I was
opening with my little comment about MS :-)
Hugh
-Original
That's been my exact gripe with the scale since the first day I discovered
it.
Brad
- Original Message -
From: Freddie Bingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
I still maintain the guide is confusing since you
In a message dated 05/10/2004 4:29:02 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe there is confusion over why the term Mint was chosen? Because
"mint condition" implies, in numismatics anyway, "freshly minted" or "in
the same condition as it was created in the mint". The pinnacle
Fred, I think we're talking about pieces here that arn't ASSUMED to be
re-shrinkwrapped.
Someone can fake a whole box release if the wanted to, including components
and stuff, but
it doesn't mean the other grades are invalid.
- Original Message -
From: Freddie Bingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If a game is re-shrinked, it is not MS. I can tell a reshrink job 99% of the time
(having worked at EB myself). However, if I'm unsure, I'll make a note that the
shrink may not be original (in that case, the buyer/trader is aware) or just open it
myself. There is always the chance that
What is with the sudden surge outrageous prices on Sierra stuff???
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=8103599251category=4
315sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AITrd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=8103019861category=4
315sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AITrd=1
I mean
Yeah this is crazy. And concerning.
First the prices doubled and now there's been over
500% rise _from that_ in many titles recently.
Is it perhaps something to do with the Drash-appearings?
Anyways public awareness of these games and collecting urge
has rised significantly lately for some
At 16:38 09/05/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Heh, just realized, God I hope it's in English. B-)
I'm almost certain it's a French version. Games are now always translated
here, at least PC games, since about 1996. One of the first games for which
I was forced to buy the translated version was King's
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