RE: t-and-f: Good show by Moroccan B team at XC Worlds

Careful where you throw a stone The U.S. has a few notables that weren't born here and grew up most of their early years elsewhere; like Keflezghi, Abdirahman, and DeReuck. /Brian -Original Message- From: Rich Harrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002

RE: t-and-f: Good show by Moroccan B team at XC Worlds - and Ritz

The first two Americans are also of African origin - as were the top 18 in the Men's long course and the top 19 in the Jr. Men's. Dathan R was the 2nd non-African origin runner - and he's only 19. Last year before outdoor season got rolling, I stated that when you consider XC and track

RE: Pharmaco-economics was: t-and-f: Olympic DQ's

the usage of EPO (and I assume other drugs similar to it) are NOT simple to use effectively (without dying) by any means. Actually not. In pro cycling, the riders bring mobile blood testing equipment with them when they travel, and not unlike a diabetic monitors their blood sugar, the riders

RE: t-and-f: Olympic DQ's

Darbepoietin is very similar to Amgen's product for chemotherapy patients, Procrit. It is supposedly made to address anemia in Kidney dialysis patients rather than cancer patients. How anemia, and stimulating the production of RBC's, in each case differs is beyond me right now. Along the same

RE: t-and-f: what's the better HS relay record?

The formula used to be well-known (but is easy to remember): Imperial Time X (.9941) = Metric Conversion It doesn't take into account any slowing down over the slightly longer distances, but it works for the: 440/400m, 880/800m, 1320/1200m, Mile/1600m, 2-mile/3200m, . . . 5 mile/8000m,

RE: t-and-f: Checkered past?

I read a story on her in USA TODAY, where they did discuss the track suspension (might have been 1992 or 1994). My guess is that she was suspended from track comp for four years (don't know whether her suspension was commuted or not), but it didn't affect her competition in weightlifting (or

RE: t-and-f: USA Cross Country

Mr. Ritzenhein's birthday is 12/30. The same as me and Tiger Woods! :) He was born in '82. So, you are right, it wasn't up to him to run the Junior race or the Senior race. Also, since Kipchumba and Bekele (and several other top African placers from last year) are still just 18 it is likely

RE: t-and-f: Drossin, Keflezighi Try to Repeat at U.S. Cross Country Championships

If Drossin competes in the women's 4-kilometer race on Sunday, it would mark the first major head-to-head race between Drossin and Jacobs since the 2000 US Olympic Trials 5000 meter race in Sacramento, CA., where Drossin pushed Jacobs to an American record time of 14:45.35. Drossin ran a

RE: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

Ummm, they already have this camera. They use it in Euro meets, it's been used for awhile now. These meets can somehow only warrant 1 hour of TV time right now, usually shown in an undesirable time slot like Friday night, or a different night at 1 AM. How is it that HHUUUuuu

RE: t-and-f: NYT - U.S. Athletes Must Guess on Supplements

We have Runner's World featuring a story on the cover to run farther with a banned drug. The best known coffee shop sells tea containing a banned substance. Pipe down. Every grocery, drug and convenience store in the U.S. sells cold remedies with pseudoephedrine in them. Professional

RE: t-and-f: Michigan 3k?

The 3k was a pretty neat race. Originally it had been touted as a match race between Webb, Cheboiyo, Broe and Sullivan. But, Cheboiyo and Webb are injured (slightly). The race lined up with only six guys: Broe, Sullivan, Kyle Baker (13:52 guy) and three Michigan runners (Wisniewski, Brannen,

RE: t-and-f: we have a winner!

Now I remember that when I read that Keino was the first sub-4:00 African ... it was actually the first black African. I'll have to try and stop quoting things from work where my books aren't. /Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday,

RE: t-and-f: First sub-4:00 African (was Keino (was:: Solution for 1500m standard problem))

Little known factoid: Keino was the first African to break 4:00 for the mile. I don't remember the year, but believe that it was mid-60's. This was kind of amazing to me considering how many Americans and Europeans had done it, and how long ago it had been done. Also, it had long since been

RE: t-and-f: RE: Solution for 1500m standard problem?

One potential solution for US 1500m elites who can't get to 3:34... Move to the steeple. I doubt a miler who didn't have a decent shot at 3:34.90 would be good enough to make our team in the Steeplechase, much less make the Olympic Final or win a medal. One of our better Steeplers

RE: t-and-f: what's a world-class sprinter?

I'm curious as to what criterion people use before they apply that tag (in any event). ??? Before I read any of the many replies to this post I thought I would put in my definition. A few years ago, I noticed my criteria for world-class seemed to be much looser than others, so I looked it up

RE: t-and-f: European Cross Country Champs

In my interest in the results and the chip-timing I overlooked that these Euro Champs were held in Thun. In addition to having rabid XC fans within short driving distance of Switzerland, Thun has another advantage. They have hosted many international-level cyclocross and mountain bike races

RE: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?

malmo is class of '73, and went to HS in Maryland. Julia Roberts (~Moats) is about 30, making her Class of '89 (roughly). Eric Roberts could be no more than 2 years older or younger than malmo. Making Julia 14 to 18 years younger than her brother Eric, give or take 6 months. If Eric really

RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Coun try Champs)

, Mcewen, Brian T [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rather than have a 5 x 2k multi-loop setup for NCAA's that (in my opinion) turns it into a track race on grass, I don't see why they couldn't have sensors set up at 4k/6k/8k or 3k/6k/9k or something, on a normal course. If the MHSAA can afford

RE: t-and-f: Lydiard's prophecy on marathon record

I don't know what he said in Run to the Top or any other place or time in his life, but in Running the Lydiard Way he states that a low-2:08 is the physiological limit for man on a loop-course without an aiding wind. And this was written in 1978. He is close to correct in a way though. /Brian

RE: t-and-f: Re: Hosting 2004 Olympic Marathon Trials

That's so very sad. What was third and forth choice of the little boys, free sunglasses and bellybutton rings from the Galleria? It looks like I touched off a huge debate on something that IS very simple, and I didn't think it would spark so much controversy and argument. My intent and

RE: t-and-f: young guns blazing in China

Here in the states we have guys running almost as fast at almost as young an age... maybe he's 16... maybe he is on something. Or maybe he is natural and 14... who knows... does it really matter? Yes, it does matter. As long as the powers-that-be are not openly acknowledging that the

RE: t-and-f: Footlocker South - why so fast?

I am posting this for track writer Steve Underwood, who was AT the South Regional at McAlpine last weekend, as well as many other big HS meets in the south and mid-Atlantic the last three XC and track seasons: A couple notes about FL South ... First of all, the wholesale rewriting

RE: t-and-f: Footlocker South - why so fast?

Notwithstanding anything that happened in the FootLocker race, Lockhart is the real deal. He went 4:20 for 1600 as a frosh, and was somewhat overlooked as a real star last season (he had multiple sub-9 3200s) against the backdrop of a 3:53 miler and 13:44 5k kid. I think he went 4:09 as a soph

RE: t-and-f: Footlocker South - why so fast?

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Footlocker South - why so fast? Brian, considering Webb ran 8:4? last year indoors, the indoor 2 mile record is most definitely NOT in the 9:20s From: Mcewen, Brian T

t-and-f: NCAA XC trivia question

What is the best ever 1-2 finish by American-born collegiates on the same team? What is the best ever 1-2-3 finish by American-born collegiates on the same team? I believe Hacker and Easker and Jenkins went 2-4-8 or something in 1982. Maybe it was like 4-6-11. The older I get the better

RE: t-and-f: Best all-time milers by state ?

Georgia: For HS miles it could be Brendan Mahoney ('99) or Ralph King. For fastest post-HS times, it has to be Ralph King. Easy enough to figure these out though. Hoffman's site has all the elite Mile and 2-Mile times for HS'ers. /Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: toby -

RE: RE: t-and-f: Best all-time milers by state ?

Look in the TaFNews book How They Train: Long Distances circa 1981. It has a profile of Wysocki in it. I believe he ran 4:00.xx, and a slightly superior time for 1500m. His PRs (through 1981) are in there though. /Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: Chapman, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

GERALD, You missed the point when it was said that football is not good for aerobic conditioning. Nobody was impugning the toughness of the football player or the sport. Both of these things can be tough. Football practice however, is not an aerobic conditioner. BTW, most of us who never

RE: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

I absolutely agree that this generation is less active, but that really is different than obesity. Obesity is much more endemic among low income groups in which dietary habits have degraded. And the spread in income distribution over the last 20 years in the US had exacerbated this trend.

RE: t-and-f: X-C Districts and Nationals - was name change

]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:04 PM To: 'Mcewen, Brian T'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: X-C Districts and Nationals - was name change Just as a matter of curiosity, what Footlocker Championship are we talking about? I certainly hope it is not the Foot Locker Cross title. Ritz

RE: t-and-f: X-C Districts and Nationals - was name change

How do people think he will do at Districts and Nationals? He should be within the top-5 (at NCAAs). There are some good reasons for him to be anywhere from 1st, 2nd, third, and so on, up to about 6th, as long as he has a good day. There are a lot of guys with proven DISTANCE ability in the

RE: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Alan Webb Has Learned to Go the Distance

Now, some people think a time closer to 3:48 or even 3:47 is not beyond reason. [snip] Could Webb start to approach these times as soon as next summer AS much as I think Alan Webb is great and doing everything right ... I would give all takers 10:1 odds on him NOT RUNNING 3:47.XX for 1 mile

RE: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: Alan Webb Has Learned to Go the Distance

What odds would you have given a year ago that he would improve from 4:03 to 3:53 in his senior year in High School? 5:1 ... and it would have been a good bet. Considering only 1 US high-schooler had ever run under 3:59 and that one was 35 years earlier ... Nobody expected a 3:53. Not even

RE: t-and-f: X-C Districts and Nationals - was name change

It is unreasonable to expect him to DOMINATE the field (i.e. win by two or three minutes) Ummm ... What? Yeah, safe to say THAT would be unreasonable. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: t-and-f: X-C Districts and Nationals - was name change

For what it is worth ... I haven't heard anyone say he isn't that good at Cross ... And you are certainly right ... a 3:53/Footlocker Champ would normally be heralded as the next Bob Kennedy. But, maybe the problem is that everyone is already counting on him to be better than Steve Scott, Bob

RE: t-and-f: Caffeine eaters at Kansas

Not sure if he (or you) meant this or not ... but ingesting caffeine the night before an event WOULD NOT help at all ... in sprints or distances. I am guessing that he took a caffeine tablet, which the night before would wreck you. When you said on the eve of major events perhaps your meaning

RE: t-and-f: new men's and women's marathon world junior records at Beijing

7 Li Zhuhong22.10.83 Gansu 2:10:46 WJR (3rd Marathon, earlier PB 2:15:07 Beijing 15 Oct 2000, earlier WJR 2:12:49 Negash Dube ETH 1987 Tesfaye Dadi ETH 1988) Who is the youngest bona fide 2:10 marathoner? I.E. Someone who you might be able to dig up

RE: t-and-f: Athletes fighting their own battle on drugs

Bicycle road racers actually take caffeine in strong doses all the time ... been happening for 40 year (at least). It helps them a lot. You will see many of the riders hanging out in cafe's, drinking espresso and coffees before European races. They take it early in the race and they take it

RE: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

If Armstrong's '99 TdF win made it that high on the list ... I was thinking the same thing about Zatopek's feat. Additionally Lasse Viren's '72 or '76 Olympic performances should make the list, but not in the top-twenty. Ditto for Yifter's 1980 double. Two of those were weakened Olympic fields

RE: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARRASSING!!

Interesting ... as it means that he is likely running 10-12 times a week, not 3X a day that is often rumored as the reason that the world's best are so good. 10-12 runs/week X 20 km/run = 200-240 km per week -Original Message- From: B. Kunnath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

RE: t-and-f: no top-end U.S. marathoners

For one indication of why U.S. men aren't making much of an impact on the international marathon scene, I posit that it's because the teams we're sending are people who don't have sufficient track background. I've noticed that the people we are sending in the distance events

RE: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!

If we had 100 runners running an average of 140-50 a week with flirtations with 200 how many sub 2:20s would we have. Apparently the Japanese already have this answer. I also doubt they took 10 years to build up to near 200 mpw levels. There is a guy most of us know and love ... He ran at

RE: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARRASSING!!

On the other side of the coin, sideshow, you could tell the HUNDREDS of American men who have run 2:15 or faster ... yet never run longer than a 3 hour tour, a 3-ho-ur-tour. And very rarely longer than 2:15-2:30. Certainly the extreme levels of training can work (for some people and physical

t-and-f: Slow year in 2001

Overall, I thought this was a great year for track. Some disappointments/negatives (light season by Maurice Greene, retirement for Johnson, drug positive for Ali Saidi-Seif), along with some major highlights: * Dragila's nearly single-handedly making the W-PV a marquee event. *

t-and-f: US distance? Go Broe!

Top distance runner in U.S. this year? Goucher had a nice 7:34, 7:41, and several 13:20's, made the WC final... Keflezghi had the great 27:13 AR, and made WC team... Culpepper had the 27:33 and made WC team ... McMullen went 1:45/3:33 and made the WC final ... Kennedy had a resurgent year, but

RE: t-and-f: Goodwill 5000 results

Actually, that strategy has begun dominating velodrome racing so much that the races themselves have become ridiculous. Match races are the only velodrome races that are conducted that way, and that is the way they were meant to be raced. They are won by whoever makes the best,

RE: t-and-f: Goodwill 5000 results

Farce?! I'd pay good money to see a race like this any day of the week. Come to my local track, any weeknight. My friends and I will be glad to provide a thrilling 7-man duel over 12.5 laps. We will be happy to run 2.5 minutes off our PR's, with an ungodly-fast last lap, and a winner who

RE: t-and-f: Goodwill 5000 results

What makes this funny to me is that this was a very high-class field. Perhaps the best field of any event at the GWG. This group contains a world champ, Oly champ, indoor 2M record holder, and a bunch of general bad-asses. Perhaps the tiny field and unusual parity led to nobody taking any risk.

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

I'm skating without data here, but I think the following folks were under 25 when they set their WRs: Viren, Rono, Aouita, ElG, Morcelli, Cram, Coe, Geb, Komen (he was 21 I believe!), Kimombwa. Fair enough Rich. But for those who think that naming names of WR holders who did so under 25,

RE: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

Mike Contopoulos says: There is not one solid reason why getting your son out there running at an early age is any worse than having him play any other sport at an early age. Because distance running IS NOT any other sport. Last time I checked it was more stressful than golf and baseball,

RE: RE: t-and-f: SI article about most overrated and underrated

Ed Koch asked: The more interesting question this thread raises to me is not how to characterize Pre but what he would have done if he had lived. Who was it who put on the list an interesting scenario a while back? Some questions: 1. Would he have medaled in Montreal? In my opinion: not in

RE: t-and-f: Results - Berlin 5K (screaming! fast)

if Yegorova is dirty and Radlciffe is screaming bloody murder up and down what does it say for those who almost broke the world record as well... that's part of the problem with accusing others is it sheds speculation on you when you run fast or do what you said or implied couldn't be done

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

Also, Shorter was 24 when he won Olympic Gold in the marathon correct (and was 5th in the Olympic 10,000m)? He arguably improved little if any after that time (though he did dominate the sport for years at his peak). Well ... nobody can argue with that ... that proves it. Distance runners

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

Stephen Cherono (date of birth 15Oct82) set a world junior record in the 3000 steeple of 7:58.66 at Van Damme meet last Friday. Digging a little deeper, I checked the All-Time list for Juniors that I had in my file, printed off for 4/01/2000 and saw this: #1 8:07.69 Paul Kosgei

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

Who's to say that these Kenyans are actually 16-19? Right. I know this. Supposedly Moses Kiptanui is 30 right now ... but he hasn't been near his best in years ... that is because he is NOT 30. Ditto for Kirui and Haile Gebrselassie. The same goes for most of the African who were World

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

This is all well and good, but makes me wonder how the Kenyans and Ethiops can dominate the Senior ranks without first having good Juniors. What magical process do they undergo after they leave their teen years that turns them into ass-kicking machines? OF COURSE they have good juniors (as in

RE: RE: t-and-f: SI article about most overrated and underrated

In a message dated 8/24/2001 7:31:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Big fish in a fairly small pond. Even in the US distance Golden Age, holding a bunch of US NRs is admirable, but not that big a deal in the overall picture. It's kind of like holding all the basketball national scoring and

RE: t-and-f: Aouit and 3000mSC

P.F.Talbot wrote: Said Aouita at one time or another led the WORLD in every distance from 800m to 10,000m with the exception of the steeple which he never ran (the 3000m wasn't ranked back then but he certainly would have been #1). NOT TRUE. Said Aouita has a PR of 8:21.92 at the 3000mSC

RE: t-and-f: Boulami says he can top his world record

Allowing for the fact that these quotes come from Arabic athletes speaking English, they sound exactly like something Prefontaine would have said. Maybe the Pre idolators have found in Boulami a new god to add to the pantheon. Kurt Bray When I called the quote inflammatory, I meant it in

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

Stephen Cherono (date of birth 15Oct82) set a world junior record in the 3000 steeple of 7:58.66 at Van Damme meet last Friday. I thought Raymond Yator's 2000 WJR of 8:03 for the Steeple would last a long, long time. But, they found a new faster junior in Kenya. I believe that

RE: t-and-f: Montgomery comes to the fore

Conway wrote: Off the top of my less pointy head I would say Greene in 97 .. Who was as fast and WON the WCs .. But Fredericks won the major Grand Prix races .. Or Fredericks in 96 .. Who was very fast and won during the Grand Prix season but LOST the Olympics to Bailey's WR while running a

RE: t-and-f: Montgomery comes to the fore

Kebba wrote: What about Boldon in 97 and Fredericks in 96. Ashford in '88, Lewis in '88 (I'm a Lewis fan so I understand Ben was dq'ed.. but it fits into the same mold). Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = Men's and Women's Jumps Multis Coach Syracuse University Track Field

RE: t-and-f: Suzy's thoughts about Edmonton and the rest of the season

Cripes Randall, isn't it a bit arrogant to imply that North Americans are typically arrogant? Couldn't you just have asked for clarification? David Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Randall has made it clear many times before that Americans are: Cell phone talking ... fast food eatin' ... arrogant

t-and-f: Montgomery comes to the fore

This is all off the top of my pointy head ... so forgive any errors. Reading the August TaFnews over the weekend and checking Zurich results online (almost at the same time), I noticed that Tim Montgomery had completed something close to this: Modesto?9.96? win other

t-and-f: RE: t-and-f: El G's pace in Zürich

Amazing consistency indeed! good post. I guess since the WR was set with a 2:46+ at 1200m split ... then if you are 2:46-high at 1200m it is not hyperbole for the announcer to state that he's on WR pace ... Additionally, since nobody has probably EVER run 2:45+ at 1200m and still carried on to

RE: altitude (was: t-and-f: Let the USA bashing begin!

You can partially compensate for this by flooding the system with oxygen (i.e. breathing pure O2 through a mask), but overall the problem is not one of availability of oxygen per se, but of getting it into the blood with any efficiency. Completely off the subject: About 10 years ago I

RE: t-and-f: Re: Yegorova - the only enormous improver?

On that note, let me ask some questions that I have been asking myself regarding the drug situation in track and field .. Why are we testing ?? A: Too protect people from themselves and too make the sport fair for those who don't want to resort to drug use ... so they can theoretically

RE: t-and-f: Drug cheats aren't funny Garry.

Aren't we mixing eras? As I read Paul's question, it applies to the 50's and 60's, not the spotty testing during the East German machine of the 70's and 80's. Dan Yes Dan, obviously Ms. Kratochvilova competed after the 50's/60's period mentioned. However, when you look at her impressive

t-and-f: Zurich 1500m

If El G, Ali S-S and Ngeny all run the 1500 tomorrow, it would be a rare race pitting the (very loosely) past, present and future of the event against each other. The WR holder and multi-time World champ vs. the Olympic champ (and #2 all-time in the Mile) vs. who most have dubbed the heir

t-and-f: Weltklasse

Is Zurich still scheduled to be shown ... Aug 18 1:00-2:00 amESPN2Eastern time I will be in Wisconsin and want to program the VCR to tape it.

RE: t-and-f: re: Edwards thoughts on Yegorova

Someone correct me if they know differently, but there WAS a problem with the testing protocol - they didn't do a blood test. The IAAF procedure is to do a blood test first, which can detect EPO usage up to 4-6 weeks prior, followed by a follow-up urine test. This is all correct, except for

RE: t-and-f: Drug cheats aren't funny Garry.

When drug use was widespread and open in the 1960's (at least as far as steroids were concerned), the sport was popular and no one looks back on the pre-testing era with disgust do they? I do. I look at a picture of Kratochvilova churning home in 1:53 ... looking every bit like a stocky Czech

RE: t-and-f: Most 3200/2M ever under 9:00?

A possible answer to my own question about most sub-9:00 2-miles (courtesy of Steve Underwood). ... Here's a rough chrono list with no conversions for Dathan Ritzenhein: 1999 9:01.?y FLO 2000 8:54.8mi CMU indoor 8:52.94y Nike Indoor 8:41.10m Roosevelt 8:58.85m MITCA team 9:00.63m

RE: t-and-f: MJ BAD for the sport- JD on the other hand...

Regarding the comments on televising distance races: CBC showed the entire 10k ... YES, the ENTIRE 10k ... save a break for two commercials. They also showed about 5 minutes before the race, and 5 minutes after. I think it aired just after midnight EDT, so it was being shown live (I think, but

RE: t-and-f: Jabe's exact quote...

He started as a music major who had never sang or played any musical instruments. Now he has switched to math, which seems an odd choice to the outside observer (It's difficult, objective and unforgiving). He seems like someone who should NOT be a math major, but I have to say, that is NOT my

RE: t-and-f: Tonight's TV Coverage - 5K?? Steeple??

I agree about the distance events, but I don't think the field events are really getting that much more coverage. It doesn't change any of the things you two are saying ... but on CBC they REALLY showed some rarely-shown events on Saturday. We saw about 20 min. of the M 20k W and saw dozens

RE: t-and-f: CJ Hunter

World shot put champion C.J. Hunter begged officials to conceal four positive drugs tests last year in order not to upset his wife Marion Jones, Last year when CJ opted out of the Sydney Games, and a U.S. middle-distance runner opted out three weeks before her race (allegedly she had a virus

RE: t-and-f: This week's Sports Illustrated.

I was in the 30's in my prime and Kim Jones saw 25-27 regularly during her peak years. This discussion reminded me of a story I heard way back in 1980 or '81. Herb Lindsay used to come visit East Lansing (town of his alma mater) fro the local 10k or once a year fro an indoor 2-mile. Once,

RE: t-and-f: This week's Sports Illustrated.

I am 49 today and had a HR of 46 this morning, so I guess it might have some genetic basis. There is some genetic basis for whether you do or do not have low resting HR. It also probably plays little role in determining how far you can go in endurance sports. Jim Ryun was known to have a

RE: t-and-f: EPO Question/steroids

Division I NCAA track and field athletes are subject to year-round random testing for anabolic agents, diuretics, peptide hormones and analogues, and urine manipulators. This is true ... they are SUBJECT to it ... but ask them how many times they actually GET TESTED. The athletes that lived

RE: t-and-f: EPO Question

How about steriods in college? Yes ... how about steroids ... they would be as easily detected as they are on the world-elite scene (i.e. lots of get with it). Only difference would be that a typical NCAA-elite runner would face testing at NCAA's only ... at least until they ran US Nationals

RE: t-and-f: EPO Question

one reason would be the dehydration they would likely experience when climbing it could kill you. Another is that the drug has to be injected three-times-a-week to keep boosting. They have enough problems up there without carrying needles and dope. Doesn't the total trip take about 2-3

RE: t-and-f: WCs: CBC vs CBS and Exclusive Rights Contracts

Regarding this CBS/CBC issue: Does anyone have a CBC TV schedule for the WC's? I have always loved the CBC telecasts of all track and XC competitions... they have a slight Canadian slant ... but very slight ... nothing like American TV. They actually realize that the 5k/10k are real track

RE: t-and-f: Track Size Tolerances

Wayne Armbrust may explain this thoroughly but a track (with a curb installed) actually has an inner-lane line circumference of ... 398.12 m This is arrived at by calculating circumference with ... 2*pi*R=C ... and taking into account that the lane line is positioned 30 cm inside

RE: t-and-f: Correction on new WAVA name

40-50 year olds don't need viagra ... /Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: Dan Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Correction on new WAVA name If the reason for changing the name was to attract

RE: t-and-f: TV summer

I agree with Ed. Friday night at the track, kinda like friday night at the fights. Now if Gillette will only sponsor. I was in Wisconsin on Friday night ... when the Paris meet should have been on ESPN. I had a TV Guide for Wisconsin and everything, so I know that Paris was planned to have

RE: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN

Hey Grotey Baby, I've a freshman walker here in Ireland who can run 4:12 mile. Sean Tell him to quit walking, and try to be the next Eamonn Coghlan. That is, unless he is setting World-age records in walking also. A 15-year old runner who can run 4:12, has a great chance at being an

RE: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN

something really right, or these 15 year olds are developing horribly. /Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: Michael Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:08 AM To: 'Mcewen, Brian T' Cc: 'TF Listserve' Subject: RE: t-and-f: Top NJ HS Milers...WALK or RUN He's

RE: t-and-f: Golden Gala Results

As of right now, these are a few of the guys who ARE (or will be soon) training in Ann Arbor (with PR estimates): Sullivan3:31 McMullen 3:37? Webb 1:47/3:38 Brannen 1:46/3:43? Broe8:14/13:24 Not too many said it before, but the two HS studs are on their way to a great

RE: t-and-f: theoretical match-race amongst young gods

Ritz. Saw him 5-6 times this year and every time I thought it was more impressive than Webb's 8:45yi race. Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: theoretical

RE: t-and-f: Competing at NATS- was a huge loss to the sport

Why would he go after the wr while he was running for free? Uhhh ... there are lots of reasons. Some of them, you and perhaps Maurice have lost sight of. I didn't realize that WR's were only personally satisfying when you get a big payday after setting one. Here are a couple reasons to

RE: t-and-f: Competing at NATS- was a huge loss to the sport

Simple solution, have him come, do luncheons, a clinic or 2, and some autograph time. People would come in flocks still. The track fan is going to be at the meet regardless, but that person, kid that wants the opportunity to meet Maurice, Michael, Marion, Stacy, Gail will jump at the

RE: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport

I think I suggested this a couple of years ago- Perhaps some of the best ticket sales USATF has ever had for a non-Olympic year national champs would be to have it during that July break, but have it in a place like Zurich. Cool. This would ensure that the 23-year-old 13:50 5k guy living on

RE: t-and-f: a huge loss to the sport

If the average fan thinks that the athletes in track are greedy like the rest of the athletic world then we are truly doomed. Would the average fan be wrong in any defensible way to have this perception? There are savvy ways to state disagreement with an athletes decision but not leave

RE: t-and-f: Gabe got his wish

I've actually felt all along (since the summer before they started college) that Jennings should have been in the distance events and Riley in the mid-distances. It would be interesting to see how Jennings responds to mileage (not that I'm a believer in it) and Riley to fast stuff. Jennings

RE: t-and-f: Gabe's and Lassiters form?

Gabes form efficient or not? My take was that it was pretty efficient. he never wastes motion, obviously never overstrides, doesnt seem to sit when he strikes. what do you think of Lassiters? Gabe: efficient enough to run 3:35.15 in college. Lassiter: efficient enough to run

RE: t-and-f: 1600 to mile conversion...GH wrong ??

h either the Big Green Book ? has totally changed the conversions or GH has misquoted. in my big Red Book ( a few years old) tf used 1.08 for 1500m to 1 mile and 1.0058 for 1600 to 1 mile so what is 1.0737 I have no BRB, BGB, or BFD ... But, the conversion I have always

RE: t-and-f: Byron Dyce first African-American under 4:00 ?

From a Dixon bio: In 1973, the day before Rod's epic 8m 29s national record steeplechase debut at Oslo, Dixon ran another very important race. JEEZUZ, Totally off this subject, but I didn't know Dixon had ever steepled. He was world-class in the 1500/mile. Had some near WR-level 2 miles

RE: t-and-f: Webb and Hall at Nationals

Ryan Hall 3:42.70 qualified Christopher Bennett 0.00 not qualified Paul McMullen 0.00 not qualified I was at a meet at Hillsdale College two weeks ago that was set up specifically to qualify distance runners for Nationals ... In the 1500m, Paul McMullen ran (from my watch) a 3:42.7

RE: t-and-f: Hey, Buddy, Can You Spare a Mill?

Should anyone know of a track field philanthropist out there who might like to have his/her name associated with the most famous track in America, I suspect the naming rights for the East Grandstands might be available for $1.3 million... I know why Phil Knight won't do it ... But what

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