Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

Hi, Thanks everyone for your remarks According to http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform=722-06-05 Switching exchange = Telephone exchange = Central office Could someone confirm that point to point or GPON fibre networks are connected to a telephone exchange building too? Can

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

On 12/06/18 08:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 8. Jun 2018, at 17:32, Kevin Kenny wrote: Is there 'correct' tagging for these areas, which are widespread in the areas that I map and are important to the public? there are 2 competing tags, leisure=nature_reserve and

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

sent from a phone > On 9. Jun 2018, at 15:53, Paul Allen wrote: > > Landuse=forest could mean a group of trees which are not > consistently used by a single organization for anything (and often called > "Xyz Forest" interesting, can you give a real world example where a group of trees has

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

sent from a phone > On 8. Jun 2018, at 17:32, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > Is there 'correct' tagging for these areas, which are widespread in the areas > that I map and are important to the public? there are 2 competing tags, leisure=nature_reserve and boundary protected area for this kind of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

On 12 June 2018 at 00:21, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On 11 June 2018 14:58:59 BST, Kevin Kenny > wrote: > > >> For example my town has a largeish building, > > > >They're not necessarily 'small' buildings, the way the Wiki suggests: > > I agree they are not small, the one in my small town is

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 11 June 2018 at 17:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11/06/18 15:39, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: > > *From:* Andrew Harvey > > *Sent:* Monday, 11 June 2018 15:31 > *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

sent from a phone On 11. Jun 2018, at 23:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 10. Jun 2018, at 13:28, Paul Allen wrote: >> >> If proposed as amenity=waiting_room I'd vote for it. If proposed as >> amenity=lounge I'd vote against it. > > > +1 taking it back, sorry. We could probably

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

sent from a phone > On 10. Jun 2018, at 14:53, > wrote: > > In the context of an airport, a waiting room (or rather, waiting area) is > something like this: > > > indeed, this is a waiting _area_ , both terms are about space dedicated to waste time waiting, but they have distinct

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 11 June 2018 at 15:31, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > Also, water_rescue_station is probably identical to lifeguard_base > > > Agree based on the description given at https://wiki.openstreetmap. > org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dwater_rescue_station it sounds like > lifeguard_base. > Had a look at

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

sent from a phone > On 10. Jun 2018, at 13:28, Paul Allen wrote: > > If proposed as amenity=waiting_room I'd vote for it. If proposed as > amenity=lounge I'd vote against it. +1 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018, 23:43 Bryan Housel wrote: > The only way I’ll be able to support lane transitions would be as a > relation that has similar semantics to turn restrictions.. from/via/to. > Keep it simple (no multi via ways please). This is already an understood > way of tagging things that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 03:12:49PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On 10 June 2018 14:26:06 BST, ael wrote: > >> I am firmly, solidly and unswervingly opposed to "lounge" for this > >proposal. > > > >+1 > > > >In British English, a lounge first and foremost is a room in a private > >dwelling.

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

11. Jun 2018 19:17 by matkoni...@tutanota.com : > Note that JOSM issue was not closed as WONTFIX (yet?). And now it got closed as wontfix. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

On 11.06.2018 19:28, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki wrote: Number eight sounds like it would fit in this ”experience”, so we should probably add that one. Is there a western spelling for that? The romanization reads Jjimjilbang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jjimjilbang

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

> On Jun 11, 2018, at 1:17 PM, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > 11. Jun 2018 13:09 by bhou...@gmail.com : > But for right now, can we get that page taken down so people stop tagging it, > and have a proper proposal put up and accepted? > I added >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

On 11.06.2018 12:17, Max wrote: > Great idea to make the sauna key more useful. But it should be looked at > in more detail and with less of a Finnish bias. :) > > Some questions that the tag should address: > > 1. How to tag a place which has several individual saunas? > 1b. What about other

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

11. Jun 2018 13:09 by bhou...@gmail.com : > But for right now, can we get that page taken down so people stop tagging it, > and have a proper proposal put up and accepted? I added

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

Just an FYI, pet/service animal "relief areas" are now required in US airports of a certain size. That's probably why the four places tagged amenity=pet_relief_area are in US airports. See http://petfriendlytravel.com/airports On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:08 AM, José G Moya Y. wrote: > Thank you!

[Tagging] wall and block that aren't a barrier

On 09.06.2018 23:13, marc marc wrote: > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Rehbrunnen_04.jpg/800px-Rehbrunnen_04.jpg Based on this picture, the current mapping is clearly incorrect. This basin doesn't qualify as a barrier=retaining_wall even if we allow for a very generous

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

From: Simon Poole Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2018 01:44 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes You are seriously telling me that if you have two ways that share a node, you are unable to figure out what that node is without having it explicitly

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

Am 11.06.2018 um 17:19 schrieb osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au: > > *From:*Bryan Housel > *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 June 2018 01:12 > *To:* osm-tagging > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes > >   > > I’ve already written plenty of code to deal with turn restrictions. >  There

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

From: Bryan Housel Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2018 01:12 To: osm-tagging Subject: Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes Two issues here. First, the tag is not “transit:lanes” the tag is “transit” and it can be used with the generalized “:lanes” suffix. There are general rules

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

> You are seriously telling me that if you have two ways that share a node, you > are unable to figure out what that node is without having it explicitly > listed as a totally redundant member of the relation? Yes - do you think the via node in a turn restriction is also redundant? It helps

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

From: Bryan Housel Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2018 01:12 To: osm-tagging Subject: Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes I’ve already written plenty of code to deal with turn restrictions. There are lots of rules for splitting and joining things to other things depending on where the

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

Well, I’ve often seen their location marked on emergency plans. I agree that they aren’t something that should normally be rendered at most of the usual zoom levels used for OSM, but once you get into detailed indoor mapping, I think they are something that’s worthwhile mapping. From: Paul

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

> Two issues here. > First, the tag is not “transit:lanes” the tag is “transit” and it can be used > with the generalized “:lanes” suffix. > There are general rules for the :lanes suffix which can be added to pretty > much any tag you would have on a highway were the value could be different >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

At petrol stations they are typically high up, not placed for general use. Phil (trigpoint) On 11 June 2018 16:00:23 BST, Paul Allen wrote: >On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:50 PM, >wrote: > >> And many other places, yes… that’s why I was surprised to see that >> emergency=stop_button has only been

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:50 PM, wrote: > And many other places, yes… that’s why I was surprised to see that > emergency=stop_button has only been used a single time worldwide and there > don’t seem to be any other similar values in the emergency key. > The thing about emergency stop buttons is

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm , emergency=stop_button

Le 11. 06. 18 à 16:53, Bryan Housel a écrit : > `emergency=fire_alarm`   (for both indoor pull and outdoor box types, > invent a sub tag if needed to distinguish) indoor=yes or location=outdoor<>indoor ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm , emergency=stop_button

Ok cool So we have `emergency=fire_alarm` (for both indoor pull and outdoor box types, invent a sub tag if needed to distinguish) and `emergency=stop_button` Who wants to add these pages? I’ll add presets for iD this week if we can just move this forward and wrap up the discussion. Thanks,

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

And many other places, yes… that’s why I was surprised to see that emergency=stop_button has only been used a single time worldwide and there don’t seem to be any other similar values in the emergency key. From: Philip Barnes Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2018 00:26 To: Tag discussion, strategy

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

Stop buttons are also found on escalators. Phil (trigpoint) On 11 June 2018 15:16:59 BST, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: >From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> >Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 17:34 >To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box > > > >On

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

On 11 June 2018 14:58:59 BST, Kevin Kenny wrote: >On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 9:13 AM Philip Barnes >wrote: > >> >As OSM main language is British English, I would use central office. >> >Furthermore, telephone exchange sounds to be focused on telephone >> >service >> >> Office to my British ears

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 17:34 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box On 11/06/18 15:29, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: On a remotely related note, while looking

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 9:13 AM Philip Barnes wrote: > >As OSM main language is British English, I would use central office. > >Furthermore, telephone exchange sounds to be focused on telephone > >service > > Office to my British ears sounds American, in British English we refer to > a telephone

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

Fire alarms, often a hand operated bell, are a common feature on campsites. Phil (trigpoint) On 11 June 2018 05:28:43 BST, Bryan Housel wrote: >I was looking at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:emergency > today. > >Someone just made

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions. I realised I might have bitten a bit too much with this tag, trying to cover bare-bones waiting area and lounges under one key, At this stage I am not expanding the tag to waiting rooms at offices/institutions, rather focusing on the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

On 10 June 2018 23:42:07 BST, "François Lacombe" wrote: >2018-06-11 0:14 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick : > >> Thanks for that, but I'm afraid that the continual OSM worldwide >> translation problem is raising it's ugly head yet again. >> >> In Australia at least, "telephone exchange" refers to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

From: Stephen Doerr Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 21:18 To: Tag discussion strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges My experience may be different from yours, but no one I know talks about a 'waiting room' in an airport. The general waiting area is quite

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Stephen Doerr wrote: My experience may be different from yours, but no one I know talks about a > 'waiting room' in an airport. The general waiting area is quite often > referred to as the 'departure lounge', in fact > Yeah, you're right. However, for general

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

From: Jo Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 17:47 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes Name should indeed be changed, but I'd go for lanes:transition, so it groups with the other lanes related tags. Not sure if that is a good type

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

On 10 June 2018, at 17:05, Paul Allen wrote: > > >On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Yves wrote: > >I doubt you'll find an airport that doesn't have a waiting room/area >somewhere.  Probably also a bar or cafe. > >Lounges are the expensive places catering to the rich customer >(executive-class

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

On 10 June 2018, at 16:53, François Lacombe wrote: >A telephone exchange is a particular device inside a central office. Eh? No it's not. It's a building containing all manner of equipment for routing telephone calls in a town or other district and also,in former times, rows of women

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

Amazing, but I’m not surprised that the JOSM devs figured this out years ago :) OK, so we should probably have a conversation about how a tag like this can continue to exist for years with - not just no support but - literally everyone who writes software speaking out against it. But for right

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

Great idea to make the sauna key more useful. But it should be looked at in more detail and with less of a Finnish bias. :) Some questions that the tag should address: 1. How to tag a place which has several individual saunas? 1b. What about other sauna related amenities like cold pools (how

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

Thank you! Regards, José El lun., 11 de junio de 2018 7:59, escribió: > There is already: > > > > amenity=waste_basket + waste=dog_excrement > > > > often co-located with a: > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:vending%3Dexcrement_bags > > > > Tagging of collection bags and bins

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

Just as Bryan does, I can see supporting special casing transit relations (as we already have to do the same for turn restrictions). I am -very- reluctant to support one-off tag semantics that require special code to handle them. Note with respect to the parallel discussion on tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

I suggest to distinguish the key for the operation mode (hot, steam etc) from those for the expected user group and dress code. On 11.06.2018 09:29, Rory McCann wrote: I suggest adding `sauna=gay`, for a gay bathhouse. "gay" is a simplification since many men who have sex with men visit them

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

Name should indeed be changed, but I'd go for lanes:transition, so it groups with the other lanes related tags. Not sure if that is a good type for the relation though. There is no need to bother the user, in case there is an adjacent way with this tag. Then it's obvious which part of the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

In Belgium, we often call them "Local EXchange (LEX)", that's a simple name change from the "telephone exchange" that at least indicate that it is not only telephone in it ! The name vary but it always refer to the same "central office or telephone exchange" and the difference is probably only

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

On 11/06/18 15:29, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: I noticed there are also 24 uses of emergency=fire_callbox, which I assume is something similar. And, surprising, just 1 uses of a more generic fire_alarm. I’m not sure if there really is an important enough distinction between a

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

On 11/06/18 15:36, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: Just because something “can be found just about anywhere” isn’t really a valid argument for not mapping it. Roads can be found just about anywhere. We map those. If someone is doing detailed indoor mapping of building and wants to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

I suggest adding `sauna=gay`, for a gay bathhouse. "gay" is a simplification since many men who have sex with men visit them (not just gay men). `sauna=msm` sounds clinical and might be not obvious to data users. In some countries (like Germany) saunas are always naked, in others (e.g. Ireland)

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 11/06/18 15:39, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: *From:*Andrew Harvey *Sent:* Monday, 11 June 2018 15:31 *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard > Also, water_rescue_station is probably identical to lifeguard_base Agree

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

Hi all Le lun. 11 juin 2018 à 01:29, Paul Allen a écrit : > It also states that in the UK, the switchgear is a telephone exchange and > the building the switches > are housed in is called a telephone exchange (we Brits aren't very > inventive where terminology is concerned). > Then we do have

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

For JOSM see https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/11054 11. Jun 2018 06:42 by bhou...@gmail.com : > I’m not going to add a special rule in iD to warn people if they are > splitting a way with a lane transition tag.  I don’t

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

There is already: amenity=waste_basket + waste=dog_excrement often co-located with a: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:vending%3Dexcrement_bags Tagging of collection bags and bins should probably make use of existing tags for such features instead of adding new ones.