Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

Le 7 décembre 2018 08:24:33 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : >On 07/12/18 16:09, Yves wrote: >> >> Le 6 décembre 2018 23:05:48 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> >a écrit : >>> On 07/12/18 06:49, Mark Wagner wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 17:54:44 +0100 Rory McCann

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

On 07/12/18 16:09, Yves wrote: Le 6 décembre 2018 23:05:48 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : On 07/12/18 06:49, Mark Wagner wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 17:54:44 +0100 Rory McCann wrote: On 06/12/2018 08:38, Mark Wagner wrote: Yellowstone National Park has attracted a fair

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

Le 6 décembre 2018 23:05:48 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : >On 07/12/18 06:49, Mark Wagner wrote: >> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 17:54:44 +0100 >> Rory McCann wrote: >> >>> On 06/12/2018 08:38, Mark Wagner wrote: Yellowstone National Park has attracted a fair few bare

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

7 Dec 2018, 02:13 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > natural=rock and rock=petrified_wood could also work well. I wonder if > there is already a way to classify types of rock formations, eg > limestone, granite, basalt? > material tag? https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=material

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

On 12/7/18, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: >> чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 19:30, Kevin Kenny : >> ... Is it immediately obvious in the field that one thing is a >> 'gorod' and another is a 'gorodskoy posyolok,' while a third is a >> 'perevnya?' If so, what is the difference? ... > > They cannot be put into

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

5 Dec 2018, 11:40 by o...@imagico.de: > We have however many other tags where OSM-Carto recently added or > changed rendering in ways that provide mapping incentives agaist the > established meaning of the tags.  > Can you link issues opened on issue tracker that report this serious problems?

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

6 Dec 2018, 01:45 by s...@smz.it: > > I mean, in a more general way and going back to the pond case, > > >> >> object 1: >> >> >>> >>> >>> natural=water >>> water=pond >>> water:RU=пруд >>> >>> >>> >> >> object 2 >> >> >>> >>> >>> natural=water >>> water=pond >>> water:RU=копанка >>> >>>

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

5 Dec 2018, 07:29 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > Is it necessary to use tourism=attraction as the only tag for certain > features? > No, it is never, ever OK. And JOSM validator complains about such tagging. > Either we need to add an icon or outline, or we can remove this> from the > list

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

sent from a phone > On 6. Dec 2018, at 23:38, Michael Patrick wrote: > > This also leaves room for reconciling it with other classifications - > Japanese style carpentry roles are more or less orthogonal to Western style, you are right that there are dictionaries about this stuff, but you

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

6 Dec 2018, 12:51 by yauge...@gmail.com: > Another solution is to always put category name into "name" field. "Paris" > would become "City of Paris" or "Paris city". > name tag is for name, not for category___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

6. Dec 2018 16:56 by yauge...@gmail.com : > Let's look into some other examples.> Settlements are supposed to be defined > with place=city/town/village/hamlet/isolated_dwelling tags. The value depends > on the size of the settlement.> But in Belarus for example we

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

6. Dec 2018 20:49 by mark+...@carnildo.com : > On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 17:54:44 +0100 > Rory McCann <> r...@technomancy.org > > wrote: > >> On 06/12/2018 08:38, Mark Wagner wrote: >> > Yellowstone National Park has attracted a fair few bare

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

> great you name carpenters, because there were actually some problems in the > past classifying people working with wood. ... Can you explain the > difference between a framer, a carpenter, a cabinet maker, a joiner, a > finish carpenter, a timberman, a ring builder, a jerry man, a binder? >

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 11:58 PM Eugene Podshivalov But in Belarus for example we call our settlements "город" (can be city or > town), "городской посёлок" (can be town or village), > "посёлок"/"деревня"/"хутор" (can be village or hamlet or isolated_dwelling). > When people use the maps created form

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

On 06/12/2018 08:38, Mark Wagner wrote: Yellowstone National Park has attracted a fair few bare "tourism=attraction" objects. How would you tag the following: * Boiling River and Firehole Swimming Area, naturally-heated stretches of river that are popular for swimming. natural=water +

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:38 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > For example I would see the distinction between a hamlet and a village in > a functional criterion, while in Europe it is often clear what is a town > and what is a big village, from looking at the legal situation (history is > usually

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Am Do., 6. Dez. 2018 um 16:58 Uhr schrieb Eugene Podshivalov < yauge...@gmail.com>: > Let's look into some other examples. > Settlements are supposed to be defined with > place=city/town/village/hamlet/isolated_dwelling tags. The value depends on > the size of the settlement. > this is not a

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:58 AM Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > Let's look into some other examples. > Settlements are supposed to be defined with > place=city/town/village/hamlet/isolated_dwelling tags. The value depends on > the size of the settlement. > But in Belarus for example we call our

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Let's look into some other examples. Settlements are supposed to be defined with place=city/town/village/hamlet/isolated_dwelling tags. The value depends on the size of the settlement. But in Belarus for example we call our settlements "город" (can be city or town), "городской посёлок" (can be

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

On Thu, Dec 06, 2018 at 04:44:43PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: btw, just saw that roofer is defined as: "A workplace or office of a tradesman who is specialized in roof construction.", IMHO this should be more specific (if I am not misguided) by pointing out it isn't about the structure

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Am Do., 6. Dez. 2018 um 15:52 Uhr schrieb Kevin Kenny < kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com>: > > Right. But please don't resort to local-language words for terms that do > have a satisfactory UK-English equivalent. Don't use craft=menuiscier in > French when 'carpenter' is a serviceable English word. And

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Totally agreed! Thanks! Now, do you see anything wrong in an attempt of being "/cross-cultuarlly correct/" and, _just as an example_,  tag a feature as: shop=deli shop:it=salumeria ? That, I think, would have value added for both "/an American in Rome/", trying to find a place where

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:31 AM Sergio Manzi wrote: > That's what I'm often hearing, and not only from you, but have a look at > wiki page about the *craft *key [1 > ], as in there I can read: > > "*You are free to use values that match your needs as

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

That's what I'm often hearing, and not only from you, but have a look at wiki page about the /craft /key [1 ], as in there I can read: "/You are *free *to use *values *that match your needs as a mapper and your local or country environment,

Re: [Tagging] Salumeria(it) / charcuterie(fr) / Wurstwaren (de) WAS Re: Can OSM become a geospacial database?

I understand this is not a discussion between you and me, but as you cited me, I felt obliged to explain you why I'm not (/much/) interested in the specific, just as an act of courtesy toward you (/but //apperently you misunderstood.../) take care, Sergio On 2018-12-06 14:02, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:39 PM Sergio Manzi wrote: > Eugene, those are "*proper names*" and as such they are untranslatable, > and that's exactly why to put a category name within a proper name is "*a > very bad idea (tm)*". But if a proper name happens to have a category has > part of its

Re: [Tagging] Salumeria(it) / charcuterie(fr) / Wurstwaren (de) WAS Re: Can OSM become a geospacial database?

sent from a phone > On 6. Dec 2018, at 13:39, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > Martin, > > I see you have "spawned" my comment from another thread into this thread. > > I take for granted your good willingness in doing that, but you'll forgive me > if I will not partecipate to this specific

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

sent from a phone > On 6. Dec 2018, at 13:30, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > And how would you translate into French such American waterway=stream's as > “Bull Run”, “Walker Creek”, “Johnson’s Brook”, etc. we do not translate anything, we do add names in different languages, but these

Re: [Tagging] Salumeria(it) / charcuterie(fr) / Wurstwaren (de) WAS Re: Can OSM become a geospacial database?

OK, sorry, a lot of typos... it's all salumeria (singular) and salumerie (plural)! On 2018-12-06 13:39, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > Martin, > > I see you have "/spawned/" my comment from another thread into this thread. > > I take for granted your good willingness in doing that, but you'll forgive

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Eugene, those are "/proper names/" and as such they are untranslatable, and that's exactly why to put a category name within a proper name is "/a very bad idea (tm)/". But if a proper name happens to have a category has part of its proper name, just leave it alone... no problem... Cheers!

Re: [Tagging] Salumeria(it) / charcuterie(fr) / Wurstwaren (de) WAS Re: Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Martin, I see you have "/spawned/" my comment from another thread into this thread. I take for granted your good willingness in doing that, but you'll forgive me if I will not partecipate to this specific discussion. My original intention was not to find an acceptable English name for a

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

sent from a phone > On 6. Dec 2018, at 13:17, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > I am pursonally not in favour of the solution with category names in the > "name" but have mentioned it because it is currently used in every country > for highway=residential ways. there is no way we could/would

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

And how would you translate into French such American waterway=stream's as “Bull Run”, “Walker Creek”, “Johnson’s Brook”, etc. чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 15:25, Eugene Podshivalov : > Sergio, >> >> how would you make up the name for one of yours пруд or копанка in >> English? > > Let me please answer

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Sergio, > > how would you make up the name for one of yours пруд or копанка in English > ? Let me please answer your question with a question How to you translate your French highway=residential's into in English like "Cité Pasteur", "Rue André Bru", "Voie des Roses" etc? чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

I am pursonally not in favour of the solution with category names in the "name" but have mentioned it because it is currently used in every country for highway=residential ways. чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 15:08, Sergio Manzi : > That's (*quite obviously I would say...*) not a solution: all it does is

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

That's (/quite obviously I would say.../) not a solution: all it does is to move the problem from one place to another: how would you make up the name for one of yoursпруд or копанка in English? On 2018-12-06 12:51, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > Another solution is to always put category name

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

> Another solution is to always put category name into "name" field. "Paris" > would become "City of Paris" or "Paris city". > And the renderers will need to decide how to cut the category word from some > names in order not to display then on the map or another ready-to-use tag > will need to

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Another solution is to always put category name into "name" field. "Paris" would become "City of Paris" or "Paris city". And the renderers will need to decide how to cut the category word from some names in order not to display then on the map or another ready-to-use tag will need to be inroduce

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

W dniu 06.12.2018 o 10:47, Christoph Hormann pisze: > On Thursday 06 December 2018, Yves wrote: >> tourism=attraction can be added to a lot of features indeed, that's >> why I think the label rendering in OSM-carto is a good idea because >> you will probably never find a common rendering to

Re: [Tagging] Salumeria(it) / charcuterie(fr) / Wurstwaren (de) WAS Re: Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Am Do., 6. Dez. 2018 um 11:30 Uhr schrieb Johnparis : > In hindsight, it might have been better to use shop=meat instead of > shop=butcher for a store that sells meat. But that was decided long ago. > I am not sure about the British situation, but a German butcher is typically a place that

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Just to inject a bit of OT here - the EN name of the Vierwaldstättersee is Lake Lucerne - the literal translation is "lake of the four forest settlements" (only loosely related to the notion of cantons) In both cases naming the lake  "Lucerne" or "Vierwaldstätten" would obviously be nonsense.

Re: [Tagging] Salumeria(it) / charcuterie(fr) / Wurstwaren (de) WAS Re: Can OSM become a geospacial database?

To add to Dave's comment, what an American thinks of as a deli (or a New Yorker anyway) is quite different from what the tag shop=deli is for, according to the wiki. To its credit, the wiki makes that clear. To a New Yorker, there are two kinds of deli. The first, like the Broadway Deli or the

Re: [Tagging] Salumeria(it) / charcuterie(fr) / Wurstwaren (de) WAS Re: Can OSM become a geospacial database?

I have no idea how to tag a shop selling *salumeri* but I do know that shop=butcher and butcher=pork is totally wrong for a shop that sells cold cuts. Johnparis is quite right that a butcher is someone who slices and packages raw meat. In American English, the closest approximation for a shop

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

description - is used for other purposes already - it lets you describe an object in free manner which can be several sentances long. чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 12:50, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 06/12/18 20:25, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > Let me clarify the meaning of those Russian words >

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

On 06/12/18 20:25, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: Let me clarify the meaning of those Russian words "пруд" - is usually a natural but modified by a man body of water which is smaller than lake. this is usually translated as "pond" "копанка" - is a very small body of water, escavated by an individual

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

On Thursday 06 December 2018, Yves wrote: > tourism=attraction can be added to a lot of features indeed, that's > why I think the label rendering in OSM-carto is a good idea because > you will probably never find a common rendering to encompass this > variety. Your desire for this is somewhat

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

tourism=attraction can be added to a lot of features indeed, that's why I think the label rendering in OSM-carto is a good idea because you will probably never find a common rendering to encompass this variety. But on another topic, where does the idea of 'primary' and 'secondary' tags I read

Re: [Tagging] Salumeria(it) / charcuterie(fr) / Wurstwaren (de) WAS Re: Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Cold cut, in American English anyway, is any sliced meat that is packaged and sold chilled. Often pork based (ham and sausages like bologna are popular) but also other meats like turkey. shop=butcher + butcher=pork is what the wiki suggests. I personally think of a butcher as someone who slices

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Let me clarify the meaning of those Russian words "пруд" - is usually a natural but modified by a man body of water which is smaller than lake. this is usually translated as "pond" "копанка" - is a very small body of water, escavated by an individual family for private fishing, usually of a square

[Tagging] Salumeria(it) / charcuterie(fr) / Wurstwaren (de) WAS Re: Can OSM become a geospacial database?

sent from a phone > On 5. Dec 2018, at 22:08, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > P.S.: ... but if I want my salumeria to show up on the map, I have to "lie > for the rendering" and tag it as a shop=deli: but'I'm not happy at all... no you don’t have to, it will rather be counterproductive, because if