Re: [Tagging] route=foot

2015-03-03 Thread Steve Bennett
Huh. And here in Australia (well, at least amongst the people I know) the difference between a hike and any other form of walking is strictly whether it's more than one day. A daywalk is, well, a day or less, and a hike is two or more days. But that doesn't cause me any concerns using

Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

2014-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: And tags for other mine entrance types? Would it not be better to have man_made=mine_entrance type=adit etc I'm a native speaker of English and I only came across the word adit relatively recently. To me it seems obscure

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:24 PM, bulwersator bulwersa...@zoho.com wrote: With mountain ranges there would be a major problem where node should be placed. Carpathian Mountains cover 190 000 km² - good luck with edit wars where node should be placed. It'd be a way, not a node. And maybe there

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: the question should be: how to map a mountain range, as it seems we can't represent these kind of features (very big, blurry borders, not mappable in high zoom levels) well in our data model. That's the main

Re: [Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:26:55 Steve Bennett wrote:Yes please! I just added some hiking trails and had a named spur[1] that I wanted to record. I used place=locality, but it seems wrong for the same reasons you give

[Tagging] Topographic place names

2013-12-10 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, My cycletouring map, http://cycletour.org, has been slowly morphing into a general topographic map[1]. One thing that's missing, though, is names for topographic features like mountain ranges, spurs, and general areas. Looking at

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:09 AM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways. At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the existence of some. You are allowed to push your bike on every footway/pedestrian plus

Re: [Tagging] Ranger Station Tag Update (too anglo-centric)?

2013-08-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.dewrote: I didn't read the documentation for the ranger station tag, but from my understanding of language (which is often in fact used for tagging in the real osm world) a ranger station does not have to be a visitor

Re: [Tagging] Ranger Station Tag Update (too anglo-centric)?

2013-08-26 Thread Steve Bennett
Could this have been less anglo-centric with amenity=official_park_police_museum_information_permit_center or amenity=official_park_visitor_services building=yes rather than amenity=ranger_station building=yes Hmm, amenity=ranger_station is kind of gross - it's so specific

Re: [Tagging] Bridleway/hiking trail/bike track tags

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Bennett
Primarily a horse trail (not so good for cycling or walking): highway=bridleway Primarily a hiking trail: highway=path Primarily a mountain biking trail: highway=path, mtb=yes (maybe foot=no) Primarily a normal bike path: highway=cycleway, foot=yes (And one hundred other opinions. :)) Adding

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on operational_status (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: This leads to a situation where a mapper is expected to, as he or she walks the streets, update every object in the database with yep, this is still there, I walked past it right now. Because just as a toilet could fall

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on operational_status (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: A telephone that is already tagged as functional would not normally be re-tagged as functional just to say yes, it still is. This means that the operational_status:date tag is superfluous, since it will always be the date

Re: [Tagging] Bad tag: demolished=date: move to a) modify, b) strongly discourage

2013-06-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Andrew Chadwick (lists) a.t.chadwick+li...@gmail.com wrote: iii. We should not in general be mapping features which are no longer physically relevant. Demolished items by their very nature are not relevant, and are potentially not verifiable. OSM a map of the

Re: [Tagging] Bridges redux

2013-05-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Christopher Hoess caho...@gmail.com wrote: conflict-prevention measure. Demoting cantilever into that key, for instance, makes it impossible to express both cantilever and truss simultaneously, which presents a problem. Now, I've realized that bridge=covered is

Re: [Tagging] Bridges redux

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I don't think non-programmers realise how easy it actually is to cope with tag variations, especially now that our tools are so sophisticated. For renderers, the standard is osm2pgsql+Mapnik/Tilemill: Carto makes it

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-05-12 Thread Steve Bennett
Belatedly following up. I've updated the wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Railway_stations) with my understanding. Further changes of course welcome. Steve On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: All of these exist in taginfo, and have at least 10 hits

Re: [Tagging] railway=abandoned + highway=cycleway (was: [OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways)

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Disadvantages - tag clashes, particularly name= - is this the name of the bike path, or of the former train line? Use relations! (did I really say that?) Well, yeah, use relations

Re: [Tagging] railway=abandoned + highway=cycleway (was: [OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways)

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:19 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: a) If the trail meanders a little from side to side (where the old railway would have just gone straight), I match the way to the trail and trust that the semantics of this used to be a railway remain intact.

Re: [Tagging] railway=abandoned + highway=cycleway

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: I would tend to keep it separate. Ideally, once it is a cycleway, it is a cycleway, and no longer an abandoned rail line. However I have learned that the abandoned rail lines should not be removed - they magically regrow, so I

Re: [Tagging] railway=abandoned + highway=cycleway (was: [OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways)

2013-04-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:33 AM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: From OSM-talk-be, with best regards. I put the questions before the replies ;-) On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:31 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-04-13 23:02, Marc Gemis wrote : ... [

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, My view (I'll try to be concise). Being able to map both abstractions (like a schematic route) and physical details is a real problem. We need to be able to do both. The problem is not unique to rail. Use cases I've thought of: - roads (the road network, vs the individual bits of tarmac) -

Re: [Tagging] Historic huts

2013-04-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: We all know don't tag for the renderer mantra, repeating it is pointless. Or at least repeat it with the appropriate nuances: Don't use semantically incorrect tags to achieve a short term goal based on the current

Re: [Tagging] informal helipads for emergency use

2013-04-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i'm thinking both areas and nodes, with tagging that looks something like this: aeroway=helipad name=Fred's LZ access=no emergency=yes surface=grass does this seem reasonable? Seems reasonable to me, and

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 42, Issue 26 Historic huts

2013-03-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:14 AM, St Niklaas st.nikl...@live.nl wrote: Since the hut is situated in Australia, why name it Alpine hut ? I always thought the Alps to be a European mountain range. In rural uninhabited areas there will be shelters like it all over the world. Yeah, that's a bit

Re: [Tagging] Historic huts

2013-03-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:59 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: looking at the tags maybe historic=wilderness_hut would be better (according to a proposal and the current wiki state, tourism=alpine_hut is for places where you can get food and accomodation, while

[Tagging] Historic huts

2013-03-26 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, Just wondering how best to tag the historic alpine huts we have in the mountains of southeast Australia. Some basic properties: - usually fully enclosed (4 walls and a roof) although not necessarily weatherproof - usually have fireplaces - sometimes in good enough condition to sleep in

Re: [Tagging] Footway as painted lane in highway

2013-03-26 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Dave, It sounds essentially like a sidewalk - the only distinction being that it's not raised above the road surface. So why not just use footway=sidewalk? The footway=lane tag sounds nice, but it sounds like such a rare occurrence that it will never get much rendering/routing support. Maybe

Re: [Tagging] Public transport zones

2013-03-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: Let me try to clarify this. In case there are 2 companies stopping at a particular station, they both might have different properties for that stop: e.g. the names, reference numbers and zones. So the zone might depend

Re: [Tagging] Public transport zones

2013-03-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com wrote: Fortunately there is no such thing as regional trams :) I learned very early on that there is no such thing as 'no such thing' in OSM. There are quite a few regional trams here in Germany alone: ... in

Re: [Tagging] Public transport zones

2013-03-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If you would prefer to use something generic referring to public transport it would be better to use something like public_transport_zone=* instead of just zone (but I'd prefer the approach proposed by Steve and

Re: [Tagging] Public transport zones

2013-03-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: Why is zone ambiguous on a bus_stop ? Or any more ambiguous than name ? The latter is also used for so many different things. These are deep semantic philosophy questions :) I'd point out that renderers can naively render

[Tagging] Public transport zones

2013-03-02 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, I don't see any wiki documentation on public transport zones: that is, how to tag that station X is in zone 3, station Y is in zone 2, for systems where the price of a ticket depends on the zones travelled. For example, in Melbourne, there are two zones. Some train stations are in zone

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Tag operator:wikidata=Q38076 much better than operator=McDonalds ?! Are you all so disconnected from real contributors ? In addition to, not instead of. operator:wikidata=* is computable. Martin wrote: What is the relation

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposition for a classification of path

2013-02-27 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Balaitous, I think trying to classify paths using a type or grade is the wrong approach. The problem you're trying to solve is a real one: trying to distinguish important trails from less important ones. So why not just use that terminology: importance=5 (most important trails, probably a GR

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues

2013-02-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: But where's the border? In the following examples let all these facilities serve food and drinks. - an event location that has daily concerts and opens only for these events. - an event location that has daily

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: I feel dirty every time I do that, they are usually tagged as surface=mud.. :-) Basically I map them if there really is a path there and it seems usefull, even though it's clearly not a designated path. There

Re: [Tagging] Re : As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: It happens often on mountain hiking routes. You have a signpost with the red-white sign of the Alpine Club that indicates the direction that you have to take across a meadow, for example. On the other side you have to

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:29 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Footpath, not footpad. A footpad is a type of robber. If I saw a path marked as highway=footpad, it would suggest that the path is through a high-crime area, and you are likely to be mugged. Hmm, it must be a

Re: [Tagging] As the crow flies

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Jo, On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: pad is Dutch for path. (It also means toad in Dutch, but that is, of course, unrelated) In English I only knew pad as something to jot on. Like a notepad. Maybe you should add those other meanings to Wiktionary.org, Good

Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways

2013-02-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I have had a quick look around Melbourne's motorway entrances on streetview and all I have looked at have a sign like this http://goo.gl/maps/0hC6c. Please can you point out one that does allow cyclists? Western

Re: [Tagging] bicycle-no on motorways

2013-02-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Around my area in the UK a user is presently adding bicycle=no to all motorways. There was a discussion a while back whether it that tag was implied for motorways. If I remember, it was claimed there were some places (not

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: There was this discussion on talk-gb recently: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2013-January/014376.html Yeah, that's actually what prompted this discussion - I was pointed there by Andy Allan when I

[Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-05 Thread Steve Bennett
All of these exist in taginfo, and have at least 10 hits: railway:historic=station_site (376) railway:historic=station (188) historic:railway=station (230) historic=station (10) historic=railway_station (37) historic=station_site (65) disused:railway=station (223) disused=station (64) (And of

Re: [Tagging] Resorts

2013-02-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Дмитрий Киселев dmitry.v.kise...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't like leisure=resort because in such case we will have leisure inside leisure in case of swimmingpools or pitch inside resort. IMHO, that is of absolutely no concern. There's no rule against key=tag1

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-02-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: By consumer, we all think about renderer (which is in my knowledge the only consumer looking for bridges in OSM atm). If you keep the bridge tag on the multiple highways, it is duplicating the information. And you don't fix the

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-01-31 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, A few problems with the current approach: 1) When several things pass over the same bridge (eg, highway=secondary, highway=cycleway and highway=footway; or even just two independent lanes), renderers currently draw multiple bridges. 2) In areas where structures (buildings, paved areas, piers,

Re: [Tagging] cycleway Tagging and Wiki-Page

2013-01-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Balgofil balgo...@gmx.net wrote: So one solution that was pointed out in the thread is to tag the Schutzstreifen with cycleway=shared_lane because of the description in the wiki. I then pointed out, that in the UK there is a similar situation, but no solution

Re: [Tagging] POIs

2012-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: How would you connect POIs that have no address? Janko Logically, you would make the connection through some kind of permanent ID - not literally an address. I believe there have been various discussions about

Re: [Tagging] on-call bicycle ferry service

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
It sounds more like a water taxi. I'm not sure if that's a widely used term in Europe, but they exist on some rivers here - you call up, it comes and gets you. Not normally for bikes, but that still. Steve On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: I

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.comwrote: I think 'state school' is more common. I don't think any English speaker would say 'government school'. https://www.google.com/search?q=government+school+site%3A.au I think the most neutral terms here (Australia)

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - age groups in schools

2012-11-25 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, With the exception of pre-schools, aren't most schools defined by the year group, rather than age? Around a here, a primary school is Prep to Grade 6, and high school is Year 7 to Year 12. The actual ranges of kids varies a bit - some skip years, some repeat. I can't see much use for coding

Re: [Tagging] piste:type=nordic but without underlying track

2012-11-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Michael S mich...@elfu.de wrote: I think tagging areas with piste:type is more for downhill piste. Interesting - according to the wiki (key:piste:type): piste:type=nordic (way only, not area) A nordic/cross country ski trail (also see #Style or kind of

Re: [Tagging] piste:type=nordic but without underlying track

2012-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Michael S mich...@elfu.de wrote: I wonder if it is the right way to tag this trail with higway=track, because a user which wants to use the map for non-skiing purposes may think there is a track where one can walk on, which is not the case. Sounds a lot like

Re: [Tagging] sports_centre

2012-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'd like to hear from others - is sports_centre the usual tag for such establishments and if so, should we maybe downgrade the rendering to z16? I use leisure=sports_centre for things like bowls clubs, cricket clubs,

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Bad example. power=station is a mess because we have one tag with different interpretations/meanings. Here, it's the opposite : we have several tags for the same meaning. Consolidate the wiki, the presets and the database makes

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: The language of OSM should be precise. If it's not then people start inventing tags that have similar, but imprecise meanings, which is exactly what has happened here. There's nothing more precise about 'potable'

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-07-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: As I understand it, NE2 was looking for a tagging scheme that would allow for searches to find trails on a railway grade. Searching for rail trails The use case is literally to find flattish bike paths? Searching for rail

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-07-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Masi Master masi-mas...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Some month ago I tried to start a proposal for rail-trails: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/rail_trail I startet it with 'rail_trail=yes', but on talk-page some are against this, because

Re: [Tagging] That stupid 'quarter' tag has been approved

2012-05-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: So? The wiki is the place for documenting how YOU map, not how other people SHOULD map. The only thing you SHOULDN'T do in the wiki is change the description of how other people map. C'mon. Clearly that's not true. The

Re: [Tagging] The wiki (was Re: That stupid 'quarter' tag has been approved)

2012-05-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:27 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Well, it's to document standards, not to create them.  If that's what you meant by establish then +1 to you too. The biggest problem the wiki has is that in some quarters editing it seems to have become an end in

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: That's exactly what I was thinking about. Any chance this will find its way into JOSM any time soon? Potlatch2 and JOSM are completely separate codebases, written in different languages (Flex/ActionScript vs Java). So,

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I am not aware of a plugin, but you can draw a way with 2 nodes (diameter) and hit SHIFT+O, this will create a circle (you can set the default node amount for the circle in advanced preferences). You'd then tag

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-08 Thread Steve Bennett
The problems with this tag are the same with most tags. The history goes something like: 1) The original creator has a very specific real-world object in mind: painted roundabout patterns on intersections in their local area 2) Other people in the local area recognise this real-world concept and

Re: [Tagging] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling

2012-04-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: One regional mapper uses cycleway=shoulder for this, but I see that as sub-optimal, since it's primarily a shoulder, not a cycleway. It would be like putting cycleway=sidewalk whenever there's a smooth paved sidewalk.

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling

2012-04-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: It implies that the shoulder is an official cycleway, when in reality it may be full of debris (or worse: http://flbikelaw.org/2012/03/paved-shoulder/ ). You think it implies that because it's a cycleway=* tag? I

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett paving_stones

2012-04-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: surface=rounded_cobblestone I'd prefer to focus on the shape and therefore rounded_cobblestone, because other aspects like historic can be expressed with additional tags. Also not all true cobblestones are

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett paving_stones

2012-04-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: not so sure about this. Currently there is really a lot of values in surface but (as far as I know) none of them gets subtagged. Instead of subtagging we could also keep cobblestone for sett and invent another

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett paving_stones

2012-04-11 Thread Steve Bennett
Clearly the change that was made was disruptive and changes the meaning of the 80,000 or so surface=cobblestone tags already in existence. I have thus changed the definition back and commented out surface=sett for the moment. Now, some issues with introducing sett: 1) No one knows what sett

Re: [Tagging] reference_point and landmark for addresses

2012-03-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I ask because this sort of description is used everywhere. One might say at the end of the road, past Sand Lake Elementary School rather than 8249 Buena Vista Woods Boulevard, but that doesn't make the former any kind

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trail blaze

2012-03-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: He is asking because a local community is maintaining such marks and would like to locate them in OSM in addition to the route itself. Our current proposal is to use a node tagged with: tourism=information

Re: [Tagging] Mapping as two ways or one, u-turns

2012-03-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com wrote: There was a proposal like that https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Divider that has been abandoned. Not sure of the reason. I also created one:

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-02-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Feb 26, 2012 7:42 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 02/25/12 01:23, Richard Welty wrote: how do you tag a never-completed railway which has significant important landmark value in the current landscape? I think that what you are seeing is not a railway at all. I

Re: [Tagging] Building tag, building typology vs current function

2012-02-26 Thread Steve Bennett
2012/2/27 Кирилл Zkir Бондаренко z...@zkir.ru: Could you please express your opinion on the issue. Building=* is one of the most used tags, and it would be nice to understand it in the same way, in the whole OSM, even in different countries. Interesting one. I note there is both

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-02-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: you could use abandoned_date (like start_date) and have the before/after completion part in another tag. Multiple things (date and status) for one key should possibly be avoided. +1 Keep things simple for the

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-02-24 Thread Steve Bennett
any thoughts or suggestions? IMHO there is not much difference between a almost completed then abandoned and completed then abandoned railway, from the perspective of OSM. Either way, it's not a present day railway, yet there are some physical features that history buffs may be interested in

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: No. It implies some official status that leads people to remove other tags, sometimes with mass edits. IMHO that doesn't follow at all. If people are doing unwanted mass edits, then we should find a way to discourage them.

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Before we vote, shouldn't we try to clean up the proposal? E.g. there is this sentence: Hint: If the waterway starts as a stream and becomes larger, then use the tag of the largest waterway (e.g. river). Well,

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: I do not agree with the whole basis of this thread. There are no such things as approved tags, tagging is open and people are free to use *any* tags they like. ... Advertise your ideas and encourage acceptance. Show how

Re: [Tagging] Explain sport=multi

2011-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: I would use it for sports facilities not dedicated to specific sports. So, to play devil's advocate: why bother with a sports=* tag at all in that case? What's the difference between: leisure=sports_centre and

Re: [Tagging] proposed routes, state-tag

2011-12-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Now looking at routes the preferred tagging suggested in the wiki is different: it is suggested to tag all routes the same way, regardless if they are signposted, existing or simply proposed, and then

Re: [Tagging] Light rail station

2011-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: A light rail stop, would that be a railway=tram_stop or a railway=station? Sounds like a third option is required. Here (Melbourne, Australia) tram stops vary from just a sign on a telephone pole to super stops (raised

[Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?

2011-08-08 Thread Steve Bennett
There are two pedestrian/bicycle bridges in my area that were destroyed by a storm earlier in the year. What's the best way to tag them? Ideally, a renderer should be able to use the information to draw a big red X or something - there's quite a difference IMHO between absence of bridge and there

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Charging station

2011-08-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:43 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Presumably, by the same location having both fuel pumps and a charging station for electric vehicles. As separate nodes? Is there not a way they could be combined on one node? Steve

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a sports club with a closed way

2011-08-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: This is a general query that could apply to many organisations, but as an example I'm going to use a tennis club to illustrate. This club has on it's site a car park, clubhouse, a garden a few tennis pitches. These I can

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Charging station

2011-08-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Mario mar...@festival-animals.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Charging_station It lists amenity=fuel as a combination. How would you combine amenity=charging_station and amenity=fuel? Steve

Re: [Tagging] unless someone objects: amenity=truck_rental

2011-07-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: Maybe this: amenity=car_rental rental:truck=yes rental:car=no equipment that's too expensive for most home owners to just buy. a subcategory for that under amenity=car_rental seems peculiar. I wasn't proposing

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: You can reuse the existing entrance tags. According to the Richard Fairhurst duck test, if it looks like a ship, is floating like a ship, it's a ship... not a building magically floating on the water ;-) By the same test, a

Re: [Tagging] Named gates

2011-07-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I just don't know any gates with names, exept city gates like the Menin gate in Ypres, but they can't be closed and I should not tag it as barrier=gate but rather as a building. I never heard of gates that can

Re: [Tagging] shop=farm shop=greengrocer

2011-07-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: I'm interested in propsing an icon for shop=farm, for highlighting roadside farm stands (this is a fun travel activity, as such farm stands are often not listed in the Yellow pages or conventional maps). My first

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-20 Thread Steve Bennett
Sounds good to me. I'd rather a clearly defined, unambiguous, possibly American term like splash pad than a less clear, but more British term like water play area. Steve On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Matt matt.ryan.willi...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Zsolt Bertalan herrber...@gmail.com wrote: Is Themed Walk better than Tourism Movement or you just accept that it's a thing coming from the Eastern Block and adopt the term for it? Heh...no one will ever understand what tourism_movement is meant to mean. Let's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Zsolt Bertalan herrber...@gmail.com wrote: That's why we can NOT call the THING a route, trail, walk, etc. THIS would be confusing. trail gets used in this metaphorical way, and it's not that confusing. Here's an example:

[Tagging] highway=path, path=hiking

2011-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, I just came across this tag in taginfo, but there's no description in any wiki. Anyone know the story? Is this a good way to describe hiking paths, and to distinguish well-constructed walking paths from rough, narrow hiking trails? Steve ___

Re: [Tagging] highway=path, path=hiking

2011-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:51 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: highway=path, path=hiking doesn't say any more to me than highway=footway on its own would. The distinction is well constructed versus rough, minimal maintenance. highway=path, path=hiking:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:14 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: what about introducing a kerb:height ? Implying heights from values like yes, raised, normal will probably not be very reliable or stable as this might vary from country to country and also in different

Re: [Tagging] suitable tag for garden and forest machinery shop

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Mihkel Rämmel r...@hot.ee wrote: If i'm not wrong then there seems to be no tag for shop that is specialised in selling (and repairing) garden and forest machinery (lawnmovers, chainsaws, trimming machines, etc.) and lightweight garden/forest tools like saws,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: All feedback is welcome. One problem I see with these kinds of proposals is that they map very well to a particular jurisdiction or standard, but will be very hard to apply elsewhere. Perhaps the distinction of 3cm, =3cm, 3cm is

Re: [Tagging] Missing only_u_turn?

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get it. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1630619/history is the only one you've added - can you really not continue east on Google Streetview wasn't very enlightening either - looks like a

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:23 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: glad that this seems agreed (so far). How shall we deal with this change in practical? Simply change the wiki page? Do we need a vote for this? Maybe ask on the local lists? Are there any objections to simply

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:58 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: I wonder why many people try to force the approval of a tag by fast votes on the wiki. A tag gets approved by uses in the data and software handling it. I find it remarkable that after however many years of OSM's existence,

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