Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?

2019-08-09 Thread marc marc
Le 09.08.19 à 15:32, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > I'm trying to figure out what this means it mean the contributeur doesn't understand changeset set or understand it but find it more convenient to use tags on changeset and stamps if it's not reliable > doesn't have a wiki page. add a redirect

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc

2019-08-08 Thread marc marc
Le 07.08.19 à 21:36, Morten Lange via Tagging a écrit : > I wonder how I should tag bicycle shops that are not shops in the > traditional "buy our products" sense. one area for the community center one node inside this area for the shop > community_centre=bicycle_maintenance this only make

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-06 Thread marc marc
Le 06.08.19 à 15:49, Tod Fitch a écrit : > ZIP code for an address is desirable to provide completeness. But making it a > requirement? No. I agree. where is the zip code an requirement ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-07-31 Thread marc marc
Le 31.07.19 à 10:50, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > when should a new value should be added to the wiki page "Map Features". imho when the key is : - documented - well used/supported - not controversial ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Once more: the village_green - increase in misuse.

2019-07-18 Thread marc marc
The only way to have a chance to get away with it is to depreciate this tag (at least outside uk but maybe also in uk) in favor of a tag by meaning instead of having a multi-meaning tag - green area: maybe landcover=greenery could be appropriate, but if there is no rendering on osm-carto, let's

Re: [Tagging] maxstay=0

2019-07-15 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 15.07.19 à 13:33, joost schouppe a écrit : > The most common value for maxstay=* is 0. we had this discussion a few weeks ago. I have retained 3 different usecases: - there is no panel: unsigned=maxstay - it is forbidden to stay, only stop : maxstay=load-unload - it is permitted to

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-10 Thread marc marc
Le 07.07.19 à 10:31, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > the difference between "de facto" and "in use" > is unclear at the moment. approved : a proposal was made and approved during the vote. no proposal has in the meantime depreciated this tag. de facto: a not-voted tag but whose important use and

[Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread marc marc
Hello, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwindow https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwindows "deprecated. The recommended replacement is: tag:craft=window_construction" but howto tag a shop that sell windows build/made elsewhere ? iho craft is only for the place where

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread marc marc
Le 09.07.19 à 15:04, MARLIN LUKE a écrit : > I've read in the wiki (and on this list) that it's best to avoid loosing > history. the usecase is when a poi change his name : don't delete+create an new the poi, but update the name > -Remove the tag and keep a blank point? no. > -Remove the

Re: [Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-06 Thread marc marc
Le 06.07.19 à 15:17, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > provide after-school additional instruction why it isn't still a school with another min_age/max_age or any additional tag ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] JOSM's "suspicious" path data warnings

2019-07-06 Thread marc marc
Le 06.07.19 à 14:59, Dave F via Tagging a écrit : > > use highway=path" > This is incorrect <...> on a shared path Funny to say that a shared PATH mapped with highway=PATH is incorrect. we already have this discussion several times on talk-fr, it's often the same scenario: - a cyclist considers

Re: [Tagging] New sections added to "Good Practice" page?

2019-07-06 Thread marc marc
Le 06.07.19 à 14:52, bkil a écrit : > We would need something like: housed_in=vehicle location=vehicle ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-05 Thread marc marc
Le 03.07.19 à 17:17, Jmapb via Tagging a écrit : > bbq:grills=yes/no/1+ or device=* (already approved tag do describe the number of same devices) ? > bbq:bring_own=yes/no or equiped=yes/no : the bbq is always there or it's an allowed but not-equiped area and you need to bring your own ?

Re: [Tagging] Reservation= or booking= for campsites etc? and train

2019-07-05 Thread marc marc
The other major use booking=* with *!=booking.com concerns trains in or passing through France, I talked about it on talk-fr and transport (the French-speaking transit mailing). no one has so far opposed to move those in reservation=*, but I will wait a few more days before modifying these

Re: [Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-05 Thread marc marc
Le 05.07.19 à 10:53, 石野貴之 a écrit : > My proposal is the following: > 1. Use a well-documented tag for the main tag. I think > office=educational_institution would be the best, but office=* is for office related stuff the place where the staff do "office activities" can get an office=* But i

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-05 Thread marc marc
Le 03.07.19 à 03:10, brad a écrit : > Thoughts? 4) use smoothness if it suits your needs better without changing the meaning of a tag used elsewhere in your region ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-05 Thread marc marc
Le 03.07.19 à 03:10, brad a écrit : > Thoughts? 4) use smoothness if it suits your needs better without changing the meaning of a tag used elsewhere in your region ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] one feature one element

2019-07-04 Thread marc marc
Le 04.07.19 à 18:26, Jmapb a écrit : > As far as I know, amenity=school is the *only* accepted landuse-esque > tagging for school grounds. it's the perfect example of confusion between two different things. if a school is located on the ground floor of an apartment, office, or commercial

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=power_supply

2019-07-03 Thread marc marc
I think you were badly inspired when you listened to the supporters of the mega proposals that fail to pass the vote (see history of police=* diaper=* and many other). I think the first version of your proposal was good, just focus on a new tag, without including the unfinished debate on a

Re: [Tagging] Maxtents= or capacity:tents= for campsites?

2019-07-03 Thread marc marc
all maxtents=yes are in a "small" area in the north of the USA. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/KrR I have send a changeset comment to ask the meaning. despite that, maxtents= are indeed a bad idea. capacity:tents is a more common schema but I don't really see any advantage with tents=yes +

Re: [Tagging] extend unsigned to describe "no info on the ground" for a key

2019-07-03 Thread marc marc
Le 03.07.19 à 17:36, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 16:16, marc marc wrote: > Le 03.07.19 à 16:55, Paul Allen a écrit : >>> What "unsigned" doesn't do is identify how the mapper came >>> to any conclusion about the weight >>

Re: [Tagging] extend unsigned to describe "no info on the ground" for a key

2019-07-03 Thread marc marc
Le 03.07.19 à 16:55, Paul Allen a écrit : > What "unsigned" doesn't do is identify how the mapper came to any > conclusion about the weight > limit or how other mappers may verify it. unsigned just said "no info on the ground" the panel may have fallen, stolen or not yet installed, the unsigned

[Tagging] extend unsigned to describe "no info on the ground" for a key

2019-07-03 Thread marc marc
Le 13.06.19 à 15:15, Tobias Zwick a écrit : > it semantically refers to the <...> key it is a problem common to many keys but there is no overall coherence. extend unsigned used for name with unsigned= is easy to make a link betweeen the key and "no info on the ground". it avoids: - using funny

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-02 Thread marc marc
Le 02.07.19 à 13:38, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > The similar feature tag is amenity=bbq > > Is there a reason to pick one of these two tags over the other? I like having the same string between the main tag for the device and the key for the caracteristic of a site having this device. so imho

Re: [Tagging] Reservation= or booking= for campsites etc?

2019-07-02 Thread marc marc
Le 02.07.19 à 13:34, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > "booking=*" is recommended to be used with tourism=camp_site, but the > similar tag "reservation=*" has been used booking=* already has 14 conflicts with the url of the site. it seems preferable to migrate the

Re: [Tagging] New sections added to "Good Practice" page?

2019-07-01 Thread marc marc
Le 01.07.19 à 12:36, Tobias Zwick a écrit : > Maybe mobile-but-usually-stationary (or with a fixed schedule) amenities and > shops could get an extra tag somes mapper use street_vendor=yes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Approved - Tag:tourism=camp_pitch

2019-06-29 Thread marc marc
> Re: "slab=yes/no to show whether there is a slab on the pitch" > Is this different than surface=concrete? or surface=paved? > > A bit different, yes. > Have a look at https://images.app.goo.gl/2qBV3P3R2wc7wmV27 surface=concrete;grass ? > Re: "off-ground only" for fires I think

Re: [Tagging] New sections added to "Good Practice" page?

2019-06-29 Thread marc marc
Le 30.06.19 à 00:57, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > What is an "important object?" > 2) "Don't map insignificant, perishable and mobile object" > "Please do not map objects that are insignificant (like small plants), I find this "important" very subjective, it varies according to the contributor's

Re: [Tagging] systematical mapping of waterways

2019-06-28 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 28.06.19 à 10:52, Ulrich Lamm a écrit : > disappoval of the systematical mapping of waterways. your message does not contain any questions but if you want to know what others think about the systematic use of riverbank, wiki said :

Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm

2019-06-25 Thread marc marc
Le 25.06.19 à 10:16, Ulrich Lamm a écrit : > the ban is totally injust. add injust=maybe or find a better place to talk about not-related-to-tags stuff ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

2019-06-22 Thread marc marc
Le 22.06.19 à 10:31, bkil a écrit : > I wonder why nobody has created a gateway > to merge all discussions nabble.com/ do the job (but you can only merge ml/forum only ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Idea for a new tag: amenity=power_supply

2019-06-21 Thread marc marc
> waiting areas often have specific locations > to charge electronic devices. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aamenity%3Ddevice_charging_station > amenity=charging_station <> amenity=power_supply some normal electrical outlets allow cars to be charged and some charging terminals use

Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

2019-06-20 Thread marc marc
Le 20.06.19 à 11:58, Frederik Ramm a écrit : > suggest to get in touch with "us" and/or other mappers through imho the list is too long. by drowning users with everything that exists, they often end up not knowing what to choose. for example, it seems difficult to me to say that Twitter is a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

2019-06-20 Thread marc marc
Le 20.06.19 à 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : >> Should this number be the total number of nurses employed >> at the facility or the total who are working each day? > actually both may be interesting staff:nurses:capacity <> staff:nurses:count (or :avg)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Feature Name)

2019-06-19 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 19.06.19 à 22:17, Mhairi O'Hara a écrit : > Hello Tagging Mailing List, imho you request too many comment in one email, the thread 'll soon become unmanageable > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:doctors >

Re: [Tagging] product of a landuse=vineyard

2019-06-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.06.19 à 17:50, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > Am Mi., 19. Juni 2019 um 16:48 Uhr schrieb marc marc : >> The question that arises is the tag to link the vineyard to the wine. >> I'm thinking about a tag like for:product=* set on a landuse=vineyard > > Can you

[Tagging] product of a landuse=vineyard

2019-06-19 Thread marc marc
Hello, a contributor on talk-fr would like to provide more information about a vineyard. The question that arises is the tag to link the vineyard to the wine. Let's avoid a site relation, it was quickly very complicated given the cross-links between many actors. I'm thinking about a tag like

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread marc marc
Le 18.06.19 à 22:07, Markus a écrit : > If you want to use a new tag for special wheelchairs the example has little to do with wheelchairs, a paraplegic, a blind person, a patient could just as easily go for a walk the itinerary seems to describe + the activity of an association or group of

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread marc marc
Le 18.06.19 à 16:28, Andreas Lattmann a écrit : > mountain trails for disabled people map the mountain trails as usual (way and/or relation) and add wheelchair=yes on it (or wheelchair=limited if ppl need help to use it) ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability of geometry

2019-06-17 Thread marc marc
Le 17.06.19 à 03:53, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > we don't label Paris as the geographic center of Ile-de-France. You confuse the two the Paris label is actually not based on the geography of Ile de France since these are 2 unrelated things except that one is admin_center of the other >

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation howto [was: Deprecation of non-approved values for diplomatic=?]

2019-06-15 Thread marc marc
Hello Frederik, Le 15.06.19 à 12:28, Frederik Ramm a écrit : > On 6/14/19 5:49 PM, marc marc wrote: >> I think the proposals for a new tag should clearly say: >> - add such tag >> - edit the old tag description to point the new tag >> - write to editors to adapt prese

Re: [Tagging] Marking legal BBQ locations

2019-06-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.06.19 à 13:09, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > How to mark locations where grilling is legal, > but one needs bring own grill? bbq=limited > bbq=designated as designated is often "yes and build for this usage", I find it unsuitable ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of non-approved values for diplomatic=?

2019-06-14 Thread marc marc
Le 14.06.19 à 21:26, Lionel Giard a écrit : > we need an human review I wonder what the added value to make a human review for changing diplomatic=honorary_consulate into diplomatic=consulate + consulate=honorary_consulate of course, some may be wrong, but this has nothing to do with the tag

Re: [Tagging] shop=cannabis including medical cannabis

2019-06-14 Thread marc marc
Le 14.06.19 à 18:26, Jmapb a écrit : > the subtags cannabis:medical and cannabis:recreational are proposed or usage=medical|recreational ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] extend unsigned key to describe "no info on the ground" for a key

2019-06-14 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 13.06.19 à 15:15, Tobias Zwick a écrit : > it semantically refers to the <...> key it is a problem common to many keys but there is no overall coherence. extend unsigned used for name with unsigned= is easy to make a link betweeen the key and "no info on the ground". it avoids: -

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of non-approved values for diplomatic=?

2019-06-14 Thread marc marc
Le 14.06.19 à 15:10, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > we should be very reluctant to mark tags as deprecated (i.e. it > should happen after their usage significantly dropped in French we say "c'est le chat qui se mord la queue" tag use changes little as long as presets do not change. presets

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:tourism=camp_pitch

2019-06-14 Thread marc marc
Le 14.06.19 à 16:34, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > The proposal for the feature tag tourism=camp_pitch is now open for voting. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_pitch I hope that the size of the proposal and its ambiguity will not harm it (it is presented

Re: [Tagging] Mismatched tag status

2019-06-13 Thread marc marc
Le 11.06.19 à 09:31, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : >> On 11. Jun 2019, at 01:41, Paul Allen wrote: >> >> I'd be inclined to leave "in use" as a German synonym for "de facto" unless >> people who have German as a first language say that "de facto" would be >> acceptable. > maybe there are

Re: [Tagging] refugee camp

2019-06-13 Thread marc marc
Le 11.06.19 à 22:06, Violaine_Do a écrit : > boundary=refugee see > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Refugee_Camp_Boundaries I agree with a boundary= because boundary=administrative is wrong when it'sn't a administrative boundary but it's the same issue with admin_level,

Re: [Tagging] Mismatched tag status

2019-06-13 Thread marc marc
Le 11.06.19 à 01:19, Yuri Astrakhan a écrit : > There is currently 267 key & tags on OSM wiki with mismatching STATUS > field, as seen in http://tinyurl.com/y62j5m5e I have fixed some of them in the key page but items doesn't have a auto-update :) so it's hard to follow the status with the

Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key

2019-06-12 Thread marc marc
t; you can find the conversion table at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table > > I promised to create such a table and I am not one who breaks his > promises > > On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 14:41 +, marc marc wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Le 12.06.1

Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key

2019-06-12 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit : > "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" I had proposed that a conversion table be added, this would have avoided reopening the thread :) imho the best thing to do, in order: - create the wiki page(s) for the new key(s) and values

Re: [Tagging] landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2019-06-11 Thread marc marc
Le 11.06.19 à 11:14, Tomas Straupis a écrit : >What do you think? I find very strange that reservoir is a landuse by itself it would be a bit like putting landuse=rest on a bench or landuse=stop on a parking lot. landuse should be what the place is for. reservoir is the function of the

Re: [Tagging] New description of waterway=pressurised

2019-06-10 Thread marc marc
Le 09.06.19 à 01:12, Richard a écrit : > The water level drops a few inches and > suddenly the "pipe" is no longer water filled intermittent=yes/no some industrial installations (I am thinking of an waterway between retention basins at the Grande-Dixence Dam, part of which is natural) have

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:golf=cartpath

2019-06-08 Thread marc marc
thanks for your previous reply but sorry I fail to understand how that answers my question, so I ask again more simply: if I want all the path in a park, I create a propal with park=path ? then forest=path ? and so on with all "this object is inside this one" you tell yourself that the

Re: [Tagging] Splitting places and hosted devices in mapping

2019-06-07 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 07.06.19 à 19:08, François Lacombe a écrit : > a need to distinguish sites and devices in our tagging. making a difference between a characteristic of a site and the device providing that characteristic is already what we do for many objects. below are some examples. I find it quite

Re: [Tagging] refugee camp

2019-06-07 Thread marc marc
Le 07.06.19 à 15:56, Jan S a écrit : > What's decisive is the vocation of the facility and even before that, is there a facility at all ? because there is a big difference between 1) people who fled the war and stopped "elsewhere", then sometimes helped by ngo to survive and 2) a

[Tagging] refugee camp

2019-06-06 Thread marc marc
Hello, in our operation to fix campsite errors, there are several cases of refugee camps. some have temporarily abused tourism=camp_site to get a rendering and be able to use standard applications (I can understand, lives are impacted), but after a few years after the first use, we should find

Re: [Tagging] Irrigation: ditches, canals and drains

2019-06-03 Thread marc marc
having 2 key with the same meaning is not a good thing. I'm in favor of deprecing service=irrigation in favor of usage=irrigation, more consistent with other usage=* values used on other waterways. Le 03.06.19 à 22:19, François Lacombe a écrit : > Hi all > > Regarding the particular situation

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

2019-06-03 Thread marc marc
Le 03.06.19 à 11:11, Peter Elderson a écrit : > in favour of moving to the forum it's a totally personal choice. some prefer emails because it is easier to apply the criteria of your choice (read everything, or filter according to flexible criteria). if you prefer a forum/web interface, why

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

2019-06-02 Thread marc marc
Le 02.06.19 à 10:47, Simon Poole a écrit : > I would suggest that we all, starting now, voluntarily submit to: I will add the suggestion of a useful quoting. a 4-sheet reply where you have to find in it the only line that is not a quote, it's indigestible, a waste of time and clarity Le 02.06.19

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-06-01 Thread marc marc
Le 01.06.19 à 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : > It's not much use knowing that there's one in the museum, > if you then have no idea where! EDIT: fix a wrong word in some places it is still very useful information to know that a POI has an changing table, it will be enough to ask it for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-06-01 Thread marc marc
Le 01.06.19 à 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : > It's not much use knowing that there's one in the museum, > if you then have no idea where! in some places it is still very useful information to know that a POI has an establishment, it will be enough to ask it for its location. it is always

Re: [Tagging] New description of waterway=pressurised

2019-05-31 Thread marc marc
I don't understand the logic of changing the meaning of a tag recently validated by a proposal without prior consultation. a natural siphon was before your modification a waterway=pressurised, now no more. the fact that the approved proposal did not want to go into the details of speologies is

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Connectivity

2019-05-29 Thread marc marc
Hello, in the rational, you said "there are many cases where turn:lanes=* can't provide that information." could you add a case where turn:lanes are included that more clearly shows what the connectivity=* adds ? ideally 2 examples that would have the same turn:lanes value for the "from" way and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:golf=cartpath - correction

2019-05-27 Thread marc marc
Le 28.05.19 à 00:48, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > > is there highway=* with golf_cart=designated but outside > a leisure=golf_course ? > > Yes. As mentioned above, some towns in the southeast and southwest USA > have networks of paved paths that are intended for golf carts. maybe i misspoke

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:golf=cartpath

2019-05-27 Thread marc marc
Le 27.05.19 à 12:57, Markus a écrit : > Is it allowed to walk on golf cart paths? it probably varies according to the country and it probably doesn't matter since the legislation is not tagged in osm. it therefore seems more logical to me to put access tags if there are signs for it and to use a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:golf=cartpath - correction

2019-05-27 Thread marc marc
Le 27.05.19 à 01:44, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > I've created a complete proposal page for golf=cartpath: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:golf%3Dcartpath I fail to understand how to map. the description clearly states that this is implicit for highways

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-05-23 Thread marc marc
Le 23.05.19 à 23:05, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : >> no main tag/value at all ? that avoid any bad tag/value :) > Well, yes! What are they likely to be confused with? tagging a camp_pitch without any additional tag 'll be a polygon with no tag, that's a little light :) at least one tag is

Re: [Tagging] solving iD conflict

2019-05-23 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 23.05.19 à 21:58, Nick Bolten a écrit : > My experience with this mailing list: the current situation have several issues, indeed but I think you should confuse this mailing with somewhere else, because I don't recognize the majority of abstract examples you're talking about. >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging buildings that people work in

2019-05-23 Thread marc marc
Le 23.05.19 à 18:57, ET Commands a écrit : > building=occupied building=* is about what the building look like a industrial-look building with a residential use, is still a industrial-look and is mapped with : building=industrial building:use=residential following that, building=yes

Re: [Tagging] ID is not a king and final arbiter of OSM

2019-05-23 Thread marc marc
Le 23.05.19 à 18:32, Tobias Zwick a écrit : > what would it take to reverse this? what may help in to keep some thread here on topic and make a summary at the end of a long thread... or maybe always made a summary like subject : [solved] previous subject a short summary I am even someone who

Re: [Tagging] iD adding highway=footway to all railway/public_transport=platform ways and relations

2019-05-23 Thread marc marc
Le 23.05.19 à 18:26, Nick Bolten a écrit : > I'd like to know how, as a data consumer, I should reliably interpret > existing platforms without the tag added by iD. without explicit value, it is impossible to say whether the platforms is a public path, a public footway, or none of them.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - rejected - camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-05-23 Thread marc marc
Le 23.05.19 à 12:22, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >> tourism=camp_pitch (not because I like this, but because fixing one issue >> (avoid conflit with tourism=camp_site + >> camp_site=basic/standard/serviced/deluxe) is better than fixing none of them. > Please do not retag features to an

Re: [Tagging] iD update [was: iD adding highway=footway to all railway/public_transport=platform ways and relations]

2019-05-23 Thread marc marc
Le 23.05.19 à 11:46, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 09:46, marc marc wrote: > > previous updates were announced by email > I missed this one and/or no announcement for this one. > > Maybe your browser works differently to mine. it isn't my nor your

Re: [Tagging] iD update [was: iD adding highway=footway to all railway/public_transport=platform ways and relations]

2019-05-23 Thread marc marc
> > > > On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 09:10, marc marc <mailto:marc_marc_...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > > I may have missed the last iD update announcement announcing this, > what this transparent or discovered by chance? > > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-23 Thread marc marc
Le 23.05.19 à 01:03, Warin a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table > 'self referencing description' > So what is a better description for OSM use? > "an aid to replacing human, usually babies, nappies/diaper" someone in the profession pointed out that

Re: [Tagging] Definition of Sport

2019-05-22 Thread marc marc
Le 23.05.19 à 01:26, Warin a écrit : > A) A physical competition played according to rules. > > B) As for A) but includes practising for the sport > > c) as for B) but includes non competitive physical activity. > > Thoughts? i like C but without the "with rules" included via A :) there is no

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-05-22 Thread marc marc
sumary : imho, this thread is trying to solve all issues in one shoot, and this nearly always fail. it seems better to cut this into several parts from the simplest to the most complicated (retag camp_site=* objects that have already a more suitable tags such as toilets, depreciated one by one

Re: [Tagging] iD adding highway=footway to all railway/public_transport=platform ways and relations

2019-05-22 Thread marc marc
Le 23.05.19 à 00:23, Michael Reichert a écrit : > What is your opinion on this issue? Thanks for the so documented message. I didn't read all numbers but indeed, some plateform aren't a footway some are a path some of indoor feature (more like a room=corridor) it could be a good idea to improve

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-22 Thread marc marc
and the hallway (German > "Flur") is meant, not the floor. > > Am Dienstag, 21. Mai 2019, 03:11:32 MESZ hat marc marc > Folgendes geschrieben: > > > Hello, > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/c

Re: [Tagging] Navaid relation?

2019-05-22 Thread marc marc
Le 22.05.19 à 12:06, Florian Lohoff a écrit : >> you mean https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/273023376 ? >> it's a good example of missing datas. >> no entrance, no way between the entrance and the public network. >> I feel that the relation type=navaids should be called type=missingway > > Again

Re: [Tagging] Navaid relation?

2019-05-22 Thread marc marc
Le 22.05.19 à 09:43, Florian Lohoff a écrit : >> Can you give example of residential building with fully mapped roads, >> footways and obstacles where well written router will fail? > > - Baumstraße 43a, Gütersloh, Germany you mean https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/273023376 ? it's a good

Re: [Tagging] Navaid relation?

2019-05-22 Thread marc marc
Le 22.05.19 à 10:36, Florian Lohoff a écrit : > type navaid > source (Multiple ones sharing the same transport > destination) > car > bicyle > foot this info, for well mapped objet, already exist polygon have several nodes with entrance=yes and car/bicyle/foot=designated

[Tagging] tag linking [was: Feature Proposal - Voting - camp_site=camp_pitch]

2019-05-21 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 21.05.19 à 03:25, Tod Fitch a écrit : > If there is someplace I can read up on this “logic of tag linking”? this logic is massively used and yet I had a hard time finding a link whose content is limited to a line and an example

Re: [Tagging] Navaid relation?

2019-05-21 Thread marc marc
Le 22.05.19 à 00:16, Florian Lohoff a écrit : > > Hi marc, > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:02:53PM +0000, marc marc wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Le 21.05.19 à 23:46, Florian Lohoff a écrit : >>> Currently all Routing/Navigation application try hard to find >>

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

2019-05-21 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 21.05.19 à 21:34, Pablo a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot I you think that juggling is a sport, sport tag exist, just add sport=juggling but we miss a main tag for sport that does not take place on a delimited sports field, the same issue

Re: [Tagging] Navaid relation?

2019-05-21 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 21.05.19 à 23:46, Florian Lohoff a écrit : > Currently all Routing/Navigation application try hard to find > the nearest or best point on the routeable network for a given > destination lat/lon or object. with best, you mean : only one ? that look like wrong a destination can have

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table

2019-05-20 Thread marc marc
Hello, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table questions / minor suggestions : in changing_table:location=room what's the usecase of : "or the floor to the toilets" ? maybe just drop it. if someone wants to put their child on the floor, I don't see how we could

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-05-20 Thread marc marc
Le 21.05.19 à 00:58, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > I don’t feel enthusiastic about creating a 4th competing tagging > standard to go along with camp_site=pitch, camp_site=camp_pitch > and tourism=camp_pitch it's an argument that makes sense. perhaps in this case, should we start by proposing to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-05-20 Thread marc marc
Le 20.05.19 à 17:36, Jan S a écrit : > I find camp_site:part=* somewhat complicated, too. Also, it wouldn't be > consistent with the use of camp_site=* to describe the type of camping > site, either. tourism=camp_site + camp_site=basic/standard/serviced/deluxe and if you cut the site in

Re: [Tagging] Wiki changes for police tag

2019-05-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.05.19 à 11:29, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > 1. differentiation of building and user (distinct objects also when the whole > building is occupied by one user) indeed but putting the tag not on the building currently lost the info "this poi use the whole building" adding a polygone with

Re: [Tagging] Apps of delivery

2019-05-14 Thread marc marc
Le 14.05.19 à 23:17, santamariense a écrit : >> or use the name of the poi in the delivery:operator value : >> delivery:operator=deliveroo; >> so you 'll never have a clash between the "fake" value and >> the name of a company > > Possibly there'll be more than 1 POI within the same name on the

Re: [Tagging] Apps of delivery

2019-05-13 Thread marc marc
Le 13.05.19 à 18:35, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : >> there's no obvious way to indicate that the restaurant also does >> deliveries itself > > Right, maybe we should introduce a code for this to be added along the > delivery partners, something like “self”? (naturally this would break if > a

Re: [Tagging] tracktype=*;*;*

2019-05-09 Thread marc marc
Le 09.05.19 à 21:37, brad a écrit : > I'm seeing some tracks with multiple tracktype's like this: > > Way 364707088 [highway=track,  name=FR 514, tracktype=grade2;grade1;grade3] > > Is this generally accepted practice? > If so, why? I see 2 "usecases" : - someone merge several way with

Re: [Tagging] what todo if the status of a propal isn't set to Voting ?

2019-05-08 Thread marc marc
Le 08.05.19 à 22:45, Michael Reichert a écrit : > Hi, > > Am 08.05.19 um 22:14 schrieb marc marc: >> Some use the status to check propal with the status=Voting >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Proposals_with_%22Voting%22_status >> but some propal fail to

[Tagging] what todo if the status of a propal isn't set to Voting ?

2019-05-08 Thread marc marc
Hello, Some use the status to check propal with the status=Voting https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Proposals_with_%22Voting%22_status but some propal fail to have it, currently https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch what todo in this case ? only fix the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

2019-05-08 Thread marc marc
Le 08.05.19 à 20:05, wiki_openstreetmap_org.5.k...@spamgourmet.com a écrit : > As said please quote in an usefull way :) you could say the same thing with a little more consideration, such as "I don't have time to read the mailing list regularly because my PERSONAL preference is the wiki, do

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - crossing=marked

2019-05-08 Thread marc marc
Le 08.05.19 à 19:37, yo paseopor a écrit : > zebra is marked but uncontrolled (if it is controlled you can use other > value) but if you see a zebra with satellite image, you often have no idea if a the crossing have a traffic light or not in a lot of country (like in

Re: [Tagging] Marking temporary traffic organisation change

2019-05-08 Thread marc marc
Le 08.05.19 à 17:00, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > sometimes change is applied for months > How one may mark that such change is temporary? > > It would be useful for at least two reasons: > - it would easier to catch roads for retagging after road recontruction > completes use

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