Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Körner
Am 25.08.2010 01:12, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/8/24 Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de: - Is heating_engineer really different from hvac? heating_engineer is not a craft but an engineer. The craft is hvac or plumper. A company that installs AC is not necessary equipped with an

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Körner
Am 25.08.2010 01:14, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/8/24 Élisée Reclusfe-nospam-2009-03...@arcor.de: Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft Are artists,

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Körner
Am 25.08.2010 01:34, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Maybe you wanted to express handicraft (de:Kunsthandwerk)? Most of the values were copied from the german proposal page and have thus not been written or reviewed from native speakers. I exchanged art with handicraft in the examples list.

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Körner
Am 25.08.2010 03:53, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/8/25 John F. Eldredgej...@jfeldredge.com: Food delivery and meals on wheels both imply that the food is brought to the customers. I am talking about an establishment in a fixed location, having a kitchen but little or no provision for

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-25 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: service=engineer_agency engineer=heating looking again at this I don't really like it, because we already have service for highways (service=alley/parking_aisle/driveway, ...) I'd prefer office=heating_engineer or maybe office=engineer(ing)

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-25 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:41 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I'd prefer office=heating_engineer +1 Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Körner
Am 25.08.2010 15:32, schrieb John F. Eldredge: Most examples of an establishment having a kitchen, but no provision for customers to eat on the premises, would fall under the fast-food category, but not all. This is highly dependent on how you define fast-food. For example.. I'd regard this

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-25 Thread John F. Eldredge
to be ready. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal From :mailto:osm-li...@mazdermind.de Date :Wed Aug 25 08:41:22 America/Chicago 2010 Am 25.08.2010 15:32, schrieb John F. Eldredge: Most examples of an establishment having a kitchen, but no provision for customers

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-25 Thread John F. Eldredge
This was in reaction to a statement made, earlier in the discussion, that said (more or less) that an establishment that cooked and sold food had to have customer seating in order to be classified as a restaurant. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal From

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Körner
Am 25.08.2010 17:40, schrieb John F. Eldredge: This was in reaction to a statement made, earlier in the discussion, that said (more or less) that an establishment that cooked and sold food had to have customer seating in order to be classified as a restaurant. I think this has been prooved

[Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Hi some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft It has grown over time and I got some questions to move it over to map features. I'd love to do so

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-08-24 01:08, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_K=F6rner?= wrote: some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft My observations: - plummer should be plumber - Is heating_engineer really different from hvac? - I would

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 10:27, schrieb Tom Chance: You are of course welcome to begin the proposal process, follow these instructions here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_a_proposal Okay, I'll do so. You will need to create this as a proper proposal page, invite some more discussion and

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft Are artists, computer experts, fashion designers, funeral directors and photographers really craftsmen? There could also be a

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 10:28, schrieb Alan Mintz: At 2010-08-24 01:08, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_K=F6rner?= wrote: some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft My observations: - plummer should be plumber - Is

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: Hi some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft It has grown over time and I got some questions to move

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-08-24 01:43, Peter Körner wrote: Am 24.08.2010 10:28, schrieb Alan Mintz: At 2010-08-24 01:08, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_K=F6rner?= wrote: some months ago I started a craft= proposal in my wiki user space: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft My observations: -

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Liz
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Peter Körner wrote: Am 24.08.2010 10:43, schrieb Élisée Reclus: Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft Are artists, computer experts,

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something temporary and not required to have beauty in its form What, there is no beauty in my rump steak? I cant accept that, it's not true!!!1eleven11! ;) Just kidding. Peter

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 13:24, schrieb Peter Körner: What, there is no beauty in my rump steak? I cant accept that, it's not true!!!1eleven11! ;) Is there? http://bfox.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/tommaso_ausili_slaughterhouse01.jpg?w=347h=521 Rly? ___

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 8/24/10, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something temporary and not required to have beauty in its form What, there is no beauty in my rump steak? I cant accept that, it's not

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 24 August 2010 12:24, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something temporary and not required to have beauty in its form What, there is no beauty in my rump steak? I cant accept

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 13:38, schrieb Elena of Valhalla: On 8/24/10, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something temporary and not required to have beauty in its form What, there is no beauty in

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/24 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Am 24.08.2010 13:38, schrieb Elena of Valhalla: On 8/24/10, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de  wrote: Am 24.08.2010 12:17, schrieb Liz: the butcher and baker are working with raw materials, producing something temporary and not required to

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Élisée Reclus
Am 24.08.2010 14:28, schrieb Simone Saviolo: 2010/8/24 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: I'd like Élisée Reclus proposal better: if it sells something to end customers is a shop and not a craft. A sculptor (and an art gallery, often) ultimately hopes to sell his artwork. By that

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 14:37, schrieb Élisée Reclus: Am 24.08.2010 14:28, schrieb Simone Saviolo: 2010/8/24 Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de: I'd like Élisée Reclus proposal better: if it sells something to end customers is a shop and not a craft. A sculptor (and an art gallery, often) ultimately

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread André Riedel
2010/8/24 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Why does the list of proposed values for craft= then contain butcher and bakery? I don't see them as a craft but I hesitate to remove them just because of a feeling that's not based on a well formed definition. Probably because some bakeries or

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.dewrote: Why does the list of proposed values for craft= then contain butcher and bakery? Remove the obvious shop entries like bakery and butcher and keep the obvious craft like carpenter or plumber. If some entries are

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Körner
Am 24.08.2010 15:07, schrieb Pieren: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de mailto:osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Why does the list of proposed values for craft= then contain butcher and bakery? Remove the obvious shop entries like bakery and butcher I

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 02:28:53PM +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: A sculptor (and an art gallery, often) ultimately hopes to sell his artwork. By that criterion, nothing would be cratfsmanship. Heh, well, that probably goes for very many sculptors (and art galleries), although it is possible that

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: - Is heating_engineer really different from hvac? I'm not a native speaker so I'll take your hints as they come. Regarding the difference between heating_engineer and hvac I'm not sure, too, but I know crafts that only installs air conditioner

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Élisée Reclus fe-nospam-2009-03...@arcor.de: Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft Are artists, computer experts, fashion designers, funeral directors

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: We need a better definition. A baker or a restaurant could also belong to that category but I still prefer 'shop' for baker and 'amenity' for restaurant.. I think we need both: shop=bakery and craft=bakery. The latter is producing, the first only selling

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: I'd like Élisée Reclus proposal better: if it sells something to end customers is a shop and not a craft. What do you think about that? +1 that if it sells it is a shop -1 that it cannot be a craft at the same time. cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/24 Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 02:28:53PM +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: A sculptor (and an art gallery, often) ultimately hopes to sell his artwork. By that criterion, nothing would be cratfsmanship. Heh, well, that probably goes for very many sculptors (and

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
that has tables and seating for customers, and it is a converted building that used to be one of a different restaurant chain. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Tue Aug 24 18:21:16 America/Chicago 2010 2010/8/24 Pieren

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
blurry. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Tue Aug 24 18:34:22 America/Chicago 2010 2010/8/24 Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 02:28:53PM +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: A sculptor (and an art gallery

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
Oh, I forgot to say that a fair where craftsmen sell their handicrafts is termed a craft fair. The largest such craft fair here in Nashville is put on annually by the Tennessee Association of Craft Artists. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal From :mailto:j

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: How would you tag a restaurant that sells food for take-away, but doesn't have any tables for customers to sit and eat on the premises?  For example, there is a chain of barbecue restaurants here in Nashville, TN, USA, that generally does

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:  The borderline between the more beautiful craft objects and fine art is sometimes a bit blurry. yes, sure. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
for customers to use. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Tue Aug 24 19:48:05 America/Chicago 2010 2010/8/25 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: How would you tag a restaurant that sells food for take-away, but doesn't have any

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Klaus Hartl
-produced. The borderline between the more beautiful craft objects and fine art is sometimes a bit blurry. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal From :mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Date :Tue Aug 24 18:34:22 America/Chicago 2010 2010/8/24 Simon Wardsi...@bleah.co.uk

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/24/10 8:48 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/8/25 John F. Eldredgej...@jfeldredge.com: How would you tag a restaurant that sells food for take-away, but doesn't have any tables for customers to sit and eat on the premises? For example, there is a chain of barbecue restaurants here in

Re: [Tagging] craft= Proposal

2010-08-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/25 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: Food delivery and meals on wheels both imply that the food is brought to the customers.  I am talking about an establishment in a fixed location, having a kitchen but little or no provision for customers to eat on the premises.  The customers