Re: [Tagging] Difference between "yes" and "designated" in access tags

2024-04-30 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
se that do not, it is obvious that even if you have a mountain-bike that could go over the steps, you really should not drive down steps where you could meet a trainload of passengers. -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstr

[Tagging] capacities for tents, caravans, and motorhomes on tourism=caravan_site

2024-03-20 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
(caravans that are not RV/motorhomes). It is also confusing that we have so many sites tagged with tourism=caravan_site,caravans=no. I guess these should then all have motorhome=designated because caravans=no also means no motorhomes by default?

Re: [Tagging] shops for display

2023-11-21 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 13:01:32 +0100 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > >sent from a phone > >> On 21 Nov 2023, at 12:47, Niels Elgaard Larsen >> wrote: The wiki for Tesla says that Tesla showrooms are tagged >> shop=car A lot of shop=kitchen are really showrooms wh

Re: [Tagging] shops for display

2023-11-21 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:00:53 +0100 (CET) Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: >advertising=display_window works much better than shop=display_only >(as it is not a shop) Yes, if it is a vacant shop. >though maybe there is value with more immediately clear meaning? The wiki for Tesla says th

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for the renderer : One-way "flow" bicycle tracks

2023-09-10 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Tagging@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.o

Re: [Tagging] Streets with gradually increasing widths

2023-08-18 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
.05m width of my car is excluding side mirrors. Including mirrors it is 2.3 m. -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] navigational aid relation

2023-06-15 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 19:08:11 +0200 Florian Lohoff wrote: >> Some of the issues could be handled better by the data consumers. >> I.e., matching names of addresses and roads, routing to gates and >> entrances in parks, routing to terminals in airport

Re: [Tagging] navigational aid relation

2023-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 09:26:43 +0200 Florian Lohoff wrote: > >Hi, > >Management Summary: > In navigation/routing the point the router is routing to is the > nearest point on the routable network from the poi/address we like to > navigate to. The neares

Re: [Tagging] What separator do you use for multiple value

2023-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 11:26:27 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >the semicolon is standard for most cases, for multilingual names >dashes and slashes are in use, for housenumbers periods are an >alternative to semicolons. For turn:lanes both semicolon and pipe (|) are used with semicolon having t

Re: [Tagging] Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive?

2023-04-19 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
, I prefer to tag it: opening_hours=09:00-20:00; Sa-Su off to avoid ambiguity. For tags like cuisine and brewery it does not really make sense to have key:xxx=no values. So the first one should be preferred. Does that make sense? -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___

Re: [Tagging] Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive?

2023-04-19 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
s and fast_food (but not cafes for some reason) in JOSM, you get a combobox where you can select one or more values for "cuisine". I would not assume that if I select indian or sushi that it excludes asian. -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Ta

Re: [Tagging] Combining "locked=yes" with various access tags

2023-02-24 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 18:39:19 -0500 Greg Troxel wrote: >Niels Elgaard Larsen writes: > >> We have to accept that the tagging is never complete. And when >> surveying, it is often easier to tag "locked" than "access" (we can >> se the lock or try t

Re: [Tagging] Combining "locked=yes" with various access tags

2023-02-23 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Please help us resolve the differences ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] caravans en-de inconsistency

2023-01-18 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
or tourism object). 437 examples worldwide combined with "highway" tag where it can be assumed to be an access tag -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] caravans en-de inconsistency

2023-01-18 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
orhome, you would like to know if that means that you cannot stay there. >Thanks > >Graeme > > >On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 09:09, Niels Elgaard Larsen >wrote: > >> In the wiki EN:Key:caravans can mean either a camping trailer >> or a motorhome. >> >> Bu

[Tagging] caravans en-de inconsistency

2023-01-18 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
In the wiki EN:Key:caravans can mean either a camping trailer or a motorhome. But in German, DE:Key:caravans only means a camping trailer (de: wohnwagen) The result is that there are 222 objects tagged with: tourism=caravan_site caravans=no Some even with: tourism=caravan_site capaci

Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

2023-01-05 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 11:00:57 +0100 Anne- Karoline Distel wrote: >I personally found old, yet now maybe offensive names on OpenStreetMap >very useful when I was trying to locate senders' locations of >postcards written by German soldiers in WW1 from the eastern and >western front. But it may not

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a hole in the ground

2023-01-01 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 12:48:30 +0100 Troels Arvin wrote: >Hello, If it can be harmful then https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ahazard%3Dhole >When I was trekking south of Olympos in Tyrkey, I came across some >ruins which were not on OSM. Within the ruins there is a hole in the >ground, a

Re: [Tagging] Hvad stiller vi op med tour de France ruterne?

2022-10-15 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
ed in any way. If roads are changed, I.e, an intersection changed to a roundabout, how would that affect the "route"?. If you want to document the 2022 route, which could be useful, a GPX file would be the solution. Il giorno sab 15 ott 2022 alle ore 18:13 Niels Elgaard Lars

[Tagging] Hvad stiller vi op med tour de France ruterne?

2022-10-15 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
et med bicycle=no -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Literal translation of street names

2022-09-19 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
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Re: [Tagging] Default access for service=driveway?

2020-12-22 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
På Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:14:39 +0100 Frederik Ramm skrev: >Hi, > >1. Should a routing engine automatically assume that something tagged a >"driveway" is not suitable for through traffic? We must have millions of intersections between driveways and cycle paths and sidewalks along roads. Certainly

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-20 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
m/> Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Drawing/painting schools

2020-12-09 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-05 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
ing is not signposted for cyclists. Around here I think that is reasonable because it is usually when a road is crossed by a small unpaved path, that is used by cyclists. If it is a real cycle path it would have a yield sign for cyclists. -- Niels Elgaard Larsen _

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-04 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Brian M. Sperlongano: Niels, thanks for the list. I found another Danish hazard Crossing golfers: https://hopcycling.pl/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/L9720954.jpg -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-11-27 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
På Thu, 26 Nov 2020 09:11:25 -0500 I am missing values for: horse riding: https://www.retsinformation.dk/image.aspx?id=196668&img=CX316_8_47.png hazard:animal=horse should only be for wild horses Crossing bicyclists: https://www.retsinformation.dk/image.aspx?id=196668&img=CX316_8_45.png Slippe

Re: [Tagging] RFC: vaccination / COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-25 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
På Wed, 25 Nov 2020 13:34:24 + Andy Townsend skrev: >As an aside, it's probably worth explaining why people sometimes say >that OSM isn't a place for one-off temporary things I mostly use OsmAnd. I update it every month, but that is of course mostly because i want to my own edits. I have

Re: [Tagging] COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-18 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
På Wed, 18 Nov 2020 22:14:35 +0100 Francesco Ansanelli skrev: >Hello, >Covid19 have been used as suffix, so how about: > >healthcare:speciality=vaccination >vaccination:covid19=yes You are right. That is better. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openst

Re: [Tagging] COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-18 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
nstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity=*

2020-11-05 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging> _______ T

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
nity=mourning_room acceptable amenity=viewing_arrangements unfavourable amenity=deceased_viewing acceptable -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] User deleting many roads in Brazil

2020-10-24 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
set/92345676>92610958 <http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=92610958> ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Niels Elgaard Larsen __

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-19 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
ts as airline hostesses. The world is changing and OSM should adapt to these changes if there is enough interest from the OSM community. As I mentioned in another email, we do use terms such as midwife. -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing l

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-19 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
g <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Face and license blurring (GDPR territories)

2020-10-07 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Simon Poole: Am 07.10.2020 um 01:13 schrieb Niels Elgaard Larsen: ... You will probably have to let users add and remove blurs. That is what Mapillary do. They do not, they stopped providing that facility literally years ago, and they've gone as far as no longer storing unblurred images

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-02 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
k:Proposed_features/shop%3Ddirect_marketing > >   > > Tanks! > >   > > Wieland > >   > >   > > > _______ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tag

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

2020-09-16 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
one somewhere to tag just about everything. For example, if you want to buy a house you would want to see where the plot is. This is not about needs, but about privacy, and maybe data quality. -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@op

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

2020-09-16 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
one somewhere to tag just about everything. For example, if you want to buy a house you would want to see where the plot is. This is not about needs, but about privacy, and maybe data quality. -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@op

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for board games themed pubs

2020-09-11 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
o play. > > Though it may make sense to somehow > distinguish pub with dominos and darts > from pub that has 100+ different board  > games and "going there to play games" > is actually typical. could we have something like board_games=yes/no/permitted/designated ? --

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] maps/navigation data source

2020-09-05 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
tic monuments are covered, few countries have > good coverage in the country side, but there’s a lot to do everywhere, it may > also depend on the kind of data ;-) > > For example housenumbers are incomplete even in the most active countries, House numbers are complete in Denmark.

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-25 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
ent. > I also think it would be a good idea to tag the physical obstructions, like > width=, > length=, slope=, arm_rests=, spikes=, skatestoppers=, etc, as others have > mentioned. -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Aerialway stations

2020-08-12 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
tion > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Apparent conflicting/redundant access tags

2020-08-06 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 17:12:48 +1000 Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >OK, now you've all got me confused! > >I always thought that access=yes means that it is open to the general >public, while access=no means that it's not open to the public? The issue is that it becomes the default for all other trans

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-07-30 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
ly enforceable > and the European Court is above the national courts. > > Cheers Martin > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Niels Elga

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-08 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
to end existence > of Internet Archive with Wayback > Machine and Open Lending Library > (where the trouble started). > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Niels Elgaard Larsen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-08 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
suited for the legal-talk@ mailing list. OSM's position on sources is to be whiter-than-white, and not to use any third-party sources for which we do not have explicit permission. Please direct any further follow-ups to legal-talk@. Thanks --Ri

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-08 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Martin Koppenhoefer: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:04, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: >> >> €20 espressos in Venice should quality. But I am not so sure about the >> specialty. I see that I made a typo. I meant "should qualify&qu

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-08 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
__ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ___________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > htt

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-08 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
in the same way > microbrewery=yes is used for pubs. > > Existing information: > European Coffee Trip has 1893 cafe’s serving specialty coffee in Europe. > https://europeancoffeetrip.com/city-guides/ > > > > ___ > Ta

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-02 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 20:55:07 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >sent from a phone > >> On 1. Jul 2020, at 04:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Highly likely these are errors. However it is not impossible that a >> number could be used as a house name. > > >can you give an example? >

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
on erasing them.  There is a chain of transport cafes in > the UK which describes them as "roadside restaurants."  Over the issue > of seating versus food speed, I appear to be alone. > > -- > Paul > > > _________

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-29 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
is just for McDonalds. Here in Copenhagen there are some Pizza joints that have a couple of small tables, and sometimes a few more outside in the summer. They have no service, cutlery, napkings or anything and are mostly used by customers waiting to pick up a pizza. Put once in a while you see peo

Re: [Tagging] Are rowboats covered by "boat=*" or "canoe=*"?

2020-06-23 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
have different piers for rowboats and kayaks. I would say that we could have both "canoe" and "rowboat" and that both canoe and rowboat are also boat, just as e.g., hgv is also motor_vehicle. rowboats should not be canoes. In particular canoe=portage and canoe=put_in is wrong for

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 19:35:43 +0100 Paul Allen wrote: >On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 19:24, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> I agree with this, maybe we can make the description even more >> explicit to underline that these are specific features with a >> specific temporal and cultural background and

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 20:16:52 +0100 Philip Barnes wrote: >On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 15:42 +0200, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: >> >> And we already have plenty of those: >> >> Piste >> Gabion >> Kindergarten >> chicane >> kneipp_water_cure &

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
h English > name (which may or may not have been derived from the local name) to tag > them. > > -- > Paul > > > ___________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Niel

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:12:49 -0400 Kevin Kenny wrote: >What do you mean by 'just unused?' Waiting to be demolished. >If I'm in the field, looking at the alleged powerline, and finding >nothing, why would I not simply make them go away (with a lifecycle >prefix to protect against someone else

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:20:56 +0100 Paul Allen wrote: > >That is where the was: lifecycle prefix and notes are useful: to >prevent armchair mappers resurrecting something from imagery on the >internet. Yes. And I would not delete, e.g., power lines that are visible on aerials. Also because I wou

[Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Martin Koppenhoefer: == there aren't only written/drawn sources by the way. Oral tradition can also be relevant. Your grandpa told your dad and your dad told you, why not? == That is what the history is for. Also it does not scale to more than one change. The road where I live have been changed

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:09:10 +0100 Paul Allen wrote: >On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 14:02, Niels Elgaard Larsen >wrote: > >> >> I have deleted some powerlines tagged >> as removed. >> > >Are they still visible in any of the aerial imagery available to >m

[Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Martin Koppenhoefer: == Warin, can you give an example for something historic that is not there any more in reality and should be removed from OpenStreetMap? Through all the years I have never encountered anything like this mapped in OpenStreetMap. == I have deleted some powerlines tagged as remo