Re: [Tagging] Parking Fees

2018-03-24 Thread Jonathan
Sorry I phrased my question poorly. Does anyone have an example on OSM of parking tagged with parking fees that vary over time? So I can see the tags used. Thanks Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Clifford Snow Sent: 23 March 2018 21:21 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools

[Tagging] Parking Fees

2018-03-23 Thread Jonathan
Can anyone point me in the direction of a car park example with a parking fee that is time dependant, such as first three hours free then next hour £2 .. Thanks Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] furniture maker

2016-03-31 Thread Jonathan
That's right Dave. There are quite a few historical differences between a Carpenter, Joiner or Cabinet Maker Carpenters do the “rough” stuff of putting up timber for house construction, typically “first fix” stuff. Joiners are called in for any complex joints or for making window frames, door

Re: [Tagging] Path with permit required for bikes?

2016-02-09 Thread jonathan
it as Permissive currently. Jonathan bigfatfrog67 From: Richard Fairhurst Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎9‎ ‎February‎ ‎2016 ‎11‎:‎25 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Hi all, An important part of the Pacific Coast Bicycle Route now requires cyclists to get a permit: http

[Tagging] No Entry Signs

2015-12-07 Thread jonathan
thoughts? Thanks Jonathan -- http://bigfatfrog67.me ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] No Entry Signs

2015-12-07 Thread jonathan
Thanks Heiko, I've changed it as per your suggestion, seems the most elegant way of doing it. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 07/12/2015 14:56, Heiko Eckenreiter wrote: Hi Jonathan, A road that part way down has a no entry sign (excepting bicycles), I would have expected the road

Re: [Tagging] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

2015-11-14 Thread jonathan
+1 Frederik http://bigfatfrog67.me On 14/11/2015 18:35, Frederik Ramm wrote: André, OSM is not a place for condolences in note tags. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but sticking to facts is what keeps most conflicts out of OSM - if something is observable on the ground, we map it, and if

Re: [Tagging] life ring or life preserver

2015-08-11 Thread jonathan
Yes Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: John Eldredge Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎11‎ ‎August‎ ‎2015 ‎22‎:‎30 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Some of the Sherlock Holmes stories make reference to a type of weapon called a life preserver, what an American would call

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread jonathan
I agree with Volker. To me designated meant “what it is says on the roadside signage”. Usually seen where there are unique or special circumstances restricting access. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Warin Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎24‎ ‎July‎ ‎2015 ‎13‎:‎50 To: Tag discussion

Re: [Tagging] Highway proposed/planned distinction

2015-07-16 Thread jonathan
I would say it depends if the untouched land is still in its original use or not. If it is then mark it as planned, if it’s cordoned off waiting for the construction to get there then I would mark it as under construction. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: johnw Sent: ‎Thursday‎

Re: [Tagging] Highway proposed/planned distinction

2015-07-14 Thread jonathan
planning discussions and are awaiting construction, which can sometimes be many months or years, but will happen, short of a political change of heart. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Volker Schmidt Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎14‎ ‎July‎ ‎2015 ‎18‎:‎38 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-15 Thread jonathan
+1 Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Martin Koppenhoefer Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎15‎ ‎May‎ ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎41 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 2015-05-15 1:27 GMT+02:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: to me a pub is a shop/building .. sells stuff

Re: [Tagging] New values for entrance=

2015-04-05 Thread jonathan
why would you not just use the access tag to define who can use the entrance? Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: John Willis Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎6‎ ‎April‎ ‎2015 ‎02‎:‎50 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Tl;dr: suggesting: Entrance= student

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-29 Thread jonathan
Jan, That has certainly addressed everyone concerns that I can see. Thank you. Hopefully it fits your requirements and original desires. Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Jan van Bekkum Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎29‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎21‎:‎47 To: Tag discussion

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-27 Thread jonathan
+1 Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Pieren Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎27‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎48 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: We can use tourism=camp_site:non_designated for all cases

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread jonathan
Looks fun, but how did you know you could stay there? Or did you just ask? Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Jan van Bekkum Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎26‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎08‎:‎10 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools To give you a better impression

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread jonathan
other than as a car park or layby using existing tags. Wildcamping is a very specific activity and shouldn’t made official. Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Jan van Bekkum Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎26‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎56 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread jonathan
” about it. All of these examples can be covered by existing tags. Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Jan van Bekkum Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎26‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎12‎:‎36 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Non-designated is not necessarily

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread jonathan
Examples of Wildcamping: https://www.flickr.com/groups/487310@N25/pool/ Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Jonathan H Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎26‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎13‎:‎17 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools If it's there for years

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread jonathan
Those look fantastic, would you want to tag those as Wildcamping? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Jan van Bekkum Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎26‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎14‎:‎11 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Fortunately we had those as well: https://plus.google.com/photos

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-24 Thread jonathan
of something. Stick to defining organised campsites, do not try to bring order to something that by it's very nature is disk-organised. Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Jan van Bekkum Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎24‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎07‎:‎39 To: Tag discussion, strategy

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-18 Thread jonathan
=official? Where’s the problem you're trying to fix? Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Janko Mihelić Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎18‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎11‎:‎30 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 2015-03-18 12:15 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-18 Thread jonathan
What Forum? Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Andreas Goss Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎18‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎20‎:‎19 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools It is amazing to see how few people participate in this discussion and vote compared to the number

Re: [Tagging] Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-17 Thread jonathan
Not sure what you mean by “Private Objects”, anything in the DB is capable of being displayed, depending on whether the Renderer wants to. Nothing is Private in OSM. Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: John F. Eldredge Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎17‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Re: Deleting private objects in private spaces

2015-03-17 Thread jonathan
in OSM is visible to all Renderer's to display or not display aas they choose. The OSM database is not the place for private individuals or organisations to store private data. Hope this helps to clarify things. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: John F. Eldredge Sent: ‎Tuesday‎

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-17 Thread jonathan
+1 Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Kotya Karapetyan Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎17‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎14‎:‎04 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Dear all, I think we deviated from the original question quite a bit. The point was that the current number of votes proposed

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=storage

2015-03-14 Thread jonathan
I disagree, it's perfectly possible to make a decision on a vote by reading other people’s comments/concerns and if not properly address then vote against. Likewise, you can vote for a proposal even without being party to the discussion. Jonathan --- http

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-13 Thread jonathan
officially designated campsites, mainly privately run, should be mapped, I feel. Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Dave Swarthout Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎13‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎14‎:‎47 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools There is no mention of one very common

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-01-24 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Scene 7. Ext. Prehistoric Planet FORD: You don’t seem to understand… MAN IN CROWD: No, no, no I just - MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT: It’s a simple matter! It’s a procedural matter! That’s the point! CAPTAIN: Alright, alright, alright, alright! CHAIRMAN: I’d like to call this meeting to some sort of

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 23/01/2015 20:53, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: +1 to all of that ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-13 Thread jonathan
But how can a tag that tells you to follow official designation signs be meaningless unless what you mean is that such a definition is implicit on all ways? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 13/04/2014 12:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 11/apr/2014 um 19:02 schrieb Matthijs Melissen i

Re: [Tagging] access=designated - what do we think it means?

2014-04-11 Thread jonathan
+1 http://bigfatfrog67.me On 11/04/2014 18:07, Tod Fitch wrote: On Apr 11, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 17:28 +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: Currently, there are 41,000 things tagged access=designated (1). I can understand what =designated means for a specifc

Re: [Tagging] leisure=events

2014-03-09 Thread jonathan
I definitely think there is a need for this, I can think of many places around the UK this could apply to. landuse=events is better than leisure=* Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 09/03/2014 21:31, Tod Fitch wrote: It seems to me that landuse=events is reasonable. Most of the places

Re: [Tagging] tag covered questions

2014-01-24 Thread Jonathan
:-) Touché http://bigfatfrog67.me On 24/01/2014 10:30, Simone Saviolo wrote: 2014/1/24 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com Am 24/gen/2014 um 07:46 schrieb Kytömaa Lauri lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi mailto:lauri.kyto...@aalto.fi: It's then

Re: [Tagging] Unsuitable?

2014-01-08 Thread Jonathan
Very important that we can mark roads that are officially designated as unsuitable for certain vehicles. Don't see a problem with this use of this tag? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 08/01/2014 17:44, Philip Barnes wrote: These examples are not far from home so I can get some copyright

[Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin

2013-12-08 Thread Jonathan
=gate etc, however, could be elsewhere on the site, particularly in the example of a Foreman's Office or Site Office in the construction industry. Any thoughts, is it worth a wiki page or subpage of building? Jonathan -- http://bigfatfrog67.me

Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin

2013-12-08 Thread Jonathan
Wikipedia suggests a gatehouse as a medieval construction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatehouse building=gatehouse has been used 19 times, but in what context I don't know. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 08/12/2013 15:39, Philip Barnes wrote: On Sun, 2013-12-08 at 15:28 +, Jonathan

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden

2013-12-06 Thread Jonathan
:-) http://bigfatfrog67.me On 06/12/2013 12:32, nounours wrote: I think we should tag private backyards with surveillance=yes, even if surveillance is executed by a satellite et not a surveillance camera. :-) nounours77 Am 05.12.2013 um 18:46 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2013/12/5

Re: [Tagging] How to tag babycare?

2013-12-03 Thread Jonathan
+1 http://bigfatfrog67.me On 03/12/2013 10:56, Pieren wrote: So I would prefer amenity=changing_table as an isolated feature or changing_table=yes when attached to something else (like amenity=toilets). Something similar is proposed here:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-02 Thread Jonathan
, not what they do. Walkers cross lawns wherever they want if that's a shortcut and rules against that aren't enforced strictly, but we don't map any possible shortcut. regards Peter Am 01.12.2013 22:47, schrieb Jonathan: :-) This whole discussion assumes cyclists obey traffic rules! In the UK

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-02 Thread Jonathan
Thankfully I don't live in Germany :-) http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 22:58, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: Am 01.12.2013 um 22:47 schrieb Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com: :-) This whole discussion assumes cyclists obey traffic rules! In the UK cyclists ride where they like

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Jonathan
Yes! http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 14:28, Peter Wendorff wrote: 2) I would use url instead of contact, if it should refer to where the webcams output can be seen, whcih would lead to webcam:url=* ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Jonathan
I would agree, the contact key has not taken off and may fit for phone or fax (although the old way is still more popular) the use for webcam is back to front. Was the original intention to cover video calls like skype? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 17:11, Peter Wendorff

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Jonathan
be grateful there is just one way of spotting them on a map. Jonathan p.s. Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean that they're not out to get you! ;-) http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 02:07, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 11/30/2013 11:22 AM, Jonathan wrote: I don't care if it's

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Jonathan
Or this is how you contact someone via webcam such as with skype (BTW I realise that's not a webcam is but some people call it that) http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 21:39, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 12/01/2013 03:33 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: I think, contact should be restricted to ways

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Jonathan
:-) This whole discussion assumes cyclists obey traffic rules! In the UK cyclists ride where they like! :-) http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 21:38, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 1 December 2013 10:04, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I mean that bicycle=no bans

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-30 Thread Jonathan
of URL. Let's not re-invent the wheel just because we need a bigger cart. A camera recording a public space is performing surveillance over that space, be it a webcam, police cam, traffic cam or nature cam. It's a camera. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 29/11/2013 22:54, nounours wrote

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-30 Thread Jonathan
I don't care if it's publicly available or not. Even if it is for the personal and private use of some person somewhere (makes it even more creepy). Surveillance is surveillance, doesn't matter why, where it goes and who has it. It should be tagged accordingly. Jonathan http

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-30 Thread Jonathan
of that effects the question of webcams. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 30/11/2013 11:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: what is the logics behind this? We use man_made for technical installations/facilities/structures/devices, a camera is a technical device, restaurants aren't (maybe the kitchen would

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-30 Thread Jonathan
I agree, contact doesn't make sense. webcam:url=http://... is better Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 30/11/2013 23:44, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: Am 30.11.2013 um 18:40 schrieb Egil Hjelmeland pri...@egil-hjelmeland.no: contact:webcam=url is fine, that tell we have a webcam. Do we

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-30 Thread Jonathan
You mean the cycle lane is only oneway and so bicycle=no on the road stops bikes both way? http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 00:15, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: Am 30.11.2013 um 21:25 schrieb Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: Cyclists shall be required to use the track if the

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Jonathan
who is watching just that if they're watching with a camera then it's surveillance. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 29/11/2013 08:15, Martin Vonwald wrote: Have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:Surveillance man_made=surveillance surveillance=webcam

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Jonathan
+1 http://bigfatfrog67.me On 29/11/2013 13:18, Zecke wrote: Am 29.11.2013 13:03, schrieb Egil Hjelmeland: I think we live in different universes. This is the kind of stuff I am interested in: http://webcam.svorka.net/bollen/ http://webcam.sollia.net/image.jpg A webcam is a webcam. This

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Jonathan
there is no control on who sees it and what they use it for, so you can't say it isn't surveillance because that's what it is. This is in keeping with current usage and allows current renderers to capture any newly added webcams without recoding. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 29/11/2013 13:24

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours off closed

2013-11-28 Thread Jonathan
+1 http://bigfatfrog67.me On 28/11/2013 15:32, nounours wrote: Dear André, Also being new to OSM and new to the tagging mailing list, I completely understand your frustration. And I also believe that a lot of people left OSM because even if they try hard, the don't get it right. On the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-03 Thread Jonathan
Wow, a very well documented RFC! Thanks in advance for your time and effort on this. Will read it and comment where appropriate. http://bigfatfrog67.me On 03/11/2013 12:10, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Dear all, Based on your input during the pre-proposal phase, I have come up with a feature

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Primary or Trunk? PITA?

2013-11-03 Thread Jonathan
to these lists. If anybody wants to see OSM flourish and bring in new participants from other walks of life and grow to be a well respected global organisation then think again, some may need to leave before others feel they may want to join. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 03/11/2013 19:55

[Tagging] Primary or Trunk?

2013-11-02 Thread Jonathan
country lanes, they are definitely not high performance and I don't feel they should be Trunk roads, I feel they should be Primary roads. Where do we draw the line? (No pun intended) Thoughts? Jonathan -- http://bigfatfrog67.me ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-24 Thread Jonathan
but minus the padding or cafe. The tage of indoor_play needs to be the umbrella tag. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 24/10/2013 12:13, Dominic Hosler wrote: Thanks, I feel a bit silly now, I didn't look hard enough. New page is at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 23/10/2013 12:27, pmsg wrote: Generally, I think it is a good idea to map access restrictions related to dresscode. Similar kinds of access restrictions are: No knife, no camera, no backpack, no cellphone, no food/drinks etc. What about not being allowed in a bikeshed unless you have a

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 23/10/2013 12:55, Matthijs Melissen wrote: I think the proposal would benefit from a more precise definition. Or you could just tag the ones you find using this perfectly sensible tag and not worry about it. In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 22/10/2013 16:43, Dominic Hosler wrote: I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. Looks absolutely fine. There are times when I'd use it on a node when the soft play is just one part of a larger building, but that's pretty much standard OSM practice anyway. Don't worry

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Dress Code proposal

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
I agree http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:00, John F. Eldredge wrote: I think a better approach is to have a tag that links to the venue's web site, which we already have tags defined for. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
Gives you a good idea what they are: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=softplayclient=firefox-ahs=U7Prls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialsource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=CSBoUpT_B4S57AbYy4Aoved=0CAkQ_AUoAQbiw=1366bih=589 Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Jonathan
Sorry Dan, but bicycle=no means no cycling, pushing a bike is OK. We don't have any way of saying you cannot push a bike except by banning pedestrians as well. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 16/10/2013 10:29, Dan S wrote: Martin, your statement here is the same as the one which fly used

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-14 Thread Jonathan
Stephen for the heads up on such tough restrictions on bike users in the UK, have never seen anything so extreme. But then I've not been to Oxford for about 20 years! Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 14/10/2013 13:23, Stephen Gower wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:53:04AM +0100, Robert

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-11 Thread Jonathan
No, we don't map what is there, we map the implications of what is there. We don't map every speed limit sign or no-entry sign, we map the result of those signs. The signs are there for humans in the real world, we are representing the real world to computers. http://bigfatfrog67.me On

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-11 Thread Jonathan
http://img.ct24.cz/multimedia/videos/image/646/medium/193542.jpg This example, is clearly a legal statement, however, if you wish to map that then modify the access tag for each section that cycling is not allowed. Although, in this case I can't see how that works, as a pedestrian how do you

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-11 Thread Jonathan
+1 Totally agree, thanks Robert for a sensible summary. http://bigfatfrog67.me On 11/10/2013 11:53, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: On 10 October 2013 15:28, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: +1 for a separate tag and deprecating bicycle=dismount To make the case for this clearer,

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-10 Thread Jonathan
where a bicycle can't even be pushed, which I'm unaware of in the UK, then the access tag needs to be extended to include a no pushed bicycles option. In those circumstances can you push a wheelchair or pram or a luggage trolley but not push a bike? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 10/10

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-10 Thread Jonathan
for safety reasons. This is already covered by existing tags and methods. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 10/10/2013 19:03, Mike N wrote: On 10/10/2013 1:55 PM, Jonathan wrote: The only way to tag the effect that the sign has is to change the access tag to exclude bicycles. What about

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-10 Thread Jonathan
If you can't cycle on a way then it isn't a cycleway! http://bigfatfrog67.me On 10/10/2013 19:10, SomeoneElse wrote: Jonathan wrote: I don't see any point in the bicycle=dismount tag, when there is a change in speed limit we don't tag car=slowdown! The only way to tag the effect

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-10 Thread Jonathan
Nope, the only difference is a way changes from a way that can contain cycles to a route that can't, it's an access issue. http://bigfatfrog67.me On 10/10/2013 19:18, Mike N wrote: On 10/10/2013 2:13 PM, fly wrote: What about hints to the router that it's OK to send cyclists on this route

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-10 Thread Jonathan
the Netherlands, is understandable). Again: this really is not what bicycle=dismount is about. - Original Message - From: Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-10 Thread Jonathan
On 10.10.2013 20:10, SomeoneElse wrote: Jonathan wrote: I don't see any point in the bicycle=dismount tag, when there is a change in speed limit we don't tag car=slowdown! The only way to tag the effect that the sign has is to change the access tag to exclude bicycles. As I see it it's that simple

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

2013-09-18 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 18/09/2013 18:15, Lukas Hornby wrote: HI, Having studied all of the comments, we seem to agree that a tag is needed, that it is worth tagging. However the ambiguity over plot (which was the word I used in my proposal and lot (which has been read into plot) seems to be a sticking point.

Re: [Tagging] railway=abandoned + highway=cycleway

2013-04-18 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 18/04/2013 16:22, Steve Bennett wrote: Disadvantages - tag clashes, particularly name= - is this the name of the bike path, or of the former train line? The bike path, as per On The Ground. The path is a *former* railway line, so it no longer has the railway as its *current* name.

Re: [Tagging] tower vs mast vs antenna

2013-02-07 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 07/02/2013 11:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: but: there are antennas where the whole structure acts as antenna (mast=antenna). Maybe this is an example: Yes, but unless you can explain, unambiguously how you identify those vs. other types of mask, you're going to hit a verifiability problem.

Re: [Tagging] Disused/historic railway stations

2013-02-06 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 06/02/2013 00:50, Greg Troxel wrote: (I am also curious if a British railroad geek could explain if the OSM terms seem right to the railfan community.) There was this discussion on talk-gb recently: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2013-January/014376.html

Re: [Tagging] non-trivial color schemes

2012-12-20 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 20/12/2012 12:10, Stephen Gower wrote: blazon=barry gules and argent Barry Gules and Argent? Didn't they split up in 1974? runs away ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Fishing allowed?

2012-09-10 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 10/09/2012 12:36, te...@free.fr wrote: I would like to store information about the legality of fishing a lake, a river, etc. Is there already any tag with such a meaning? fishing=yes/no ? -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] sports_centre

2012-07-16 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 16/07/2012 10:01, Frederik Ramm wrote: I find that surprising because it seems that sports_centre is even more ambiguous or misunderstood - at least if someone tells me he's going to the gym I know what they mean. It isn't to a British person (probably). Most towns of any size have a

Re: [Tagging] dispute about center island in a turning circle

2012-03-13 Thread Jonathan Bennett
to turn in. Were you to map that as highway=turning_circle width=10m (say), a 7.5m truck, which would be able to turn in a 10m unobstructed turning circle (eventually), would get stuck trying to make it around that loop. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett

Re: [Tagging] dispute about center island in a turning circle

2012-03-13 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 13/03/2012 11:57, Nathan Edgars II wrote: The same is true for overhanging branches and such. You can't rely on tags to know if an oversize vehicle can turn around. Overhanging branches are not a physical property of the road in the same way the central island is. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett paving_stones

2012-02-20 Thread Jonathan Bennett
or cobblestones, perhaps over 50cm. In summary: I believe the three classes to be separate and non-overlapping. So I disagree with the wiki edit made, but do think surface=sett is a sensible, verifiable tag. Jonathan. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-29 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 29/06/2011 14:19, Mike N wrote: I don't see these edits as out of line or unusual. It's not so different from the dozens of other projects to create more unified tags so that data consumers have a chance of using the right tag. I suspect the tags you're talking about in other projects

Re: [Tagging] Greenery adjacent to roads

2010-07-13 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 13/07/2010 07:37, char...@cferrero.net wrote: How might I go about tagging the often quite extensive green stretches of land to the side of larger roads here in Abu Dhabi (and indeed in many parts of the world)? Sometimes this is just grass (in which case landuse=grass kind of makes

Re: [Tagging] Greenery adjacent to roads

2010-07-13 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 13/07/2010 11:32, John Smith wrote: On 13 July 2010 20:28, Jonathan Bennettopenstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: gardens (and landuse=grass is just wrong. You're using the land *for* grass? What does that mean?) Turf farm? landuse=agriculture crop=grass or crop=turf Nice try, though

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Garden specification)

2010-05-19 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 18/05/2010 21:56, Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: maybe even landuse=allotments if anyone wants to tag each property separately. Nope. That would be allotment=plot or something. Each plot is not a separate garden, but just the parcel of land allocated to a tenant. -- Jonathan (allotment

Re: [Tagging] A shop selling fish and seafood

2010-05-05 Thread Jonathan Bennett
it sells... To be consistent, your example above should really be: what is it... a shop what sort of shop... food shop... what sort of food... -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] A shop selling fish and seafood

2010-04-30 Thread Jonathan Bennett
or not it sells any one particular kind of water-borne animal. It's certainly the generic term for such a shop in the UK. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] A shop selling fish and seafood

2010-04-30 Thread Jonathan Bennett
a slight advantage in that it translates into French as Poissionerie, German as Fischhändler, Italian as Pescivendolo, and so on. Also, we have shop=butcher, not shop=meat. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] playground tag proposal (antony.king)

2010-04-20 Thread Jonathan Le Masurier
Excellent work. For most of the recorded playgrounds in my area I have recorded the information of what equipment exists in order to save a re-visit. Hopefully with this that data will actually be worthwhile. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for more detail on leisure=playground

2010-03-25 Thread Jonathan Bennett
did know it was going to break something, I would indeed let people know before I did it. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging an old bus route

2009-12-24 Thread Jonathan Bennett
to. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging an old bus route

2009-12-24 Thread Jonathan Bennett
... -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging an old bus route

2009-12-24 Thread Jonathan Bennett
removed from the current OSM dataset. For a bus route (or any feature replaced by an equivalent), something like superseded_by=* with a reference to the new route would probably be more succinct. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] A first step towards bringing the wiki and tool support closer together

2009-12-09 Thread Jonathan Bennett
running that renderer to add support for it. Jonathan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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