Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:10:36PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > it is already linked spatially. What you have to do is map the campsite as > area and map the reception within this area. Similarly for the parkings. > Routing software should solve this contextually. If I am walking I want to

[Tagging] Indoor highway=steps+repeat_on=*

2020-01-10 Thread Jeremiah Rose
I've been tagging some indoor routes in buildings already mapped with Simple Indoor Tagging, using highway=footway+indoor=yes, but am having a problem with flights of stairs. With most elements that are repeated between floors (and would thus have identical lat/longs), such as elevator or

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 18:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Am Fr., 10. Jan. 2020 um 08:58 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis < > marc.ge...@gmail.com>: > >> > amenity=reverse_vending_machine >> > reverse_vending=bottle_return >> > >> > Machines may take more than one type of item. Some here take bottles

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 09:34:32AM -0500, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 04:22, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > > nearer to Road B. So you get navigated to the wrong spot on the road > > network. This view is

[Tagging] Addition of amenity=conference_center to Map Features page

2020-01-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Another wiki user recently added amenity=conference_center to the list of Map Features, with the description "A large building that is designed to hold a convention". The linked wiki page, made in January 2015, says "A conference centre (convention center - American English) is a large building

[Tagging] Rare route values route=inline_skates and route=running

2020-01-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag route=inline_skates was added to Map features, but it has only been added a few times in the past 4 years. Are there actually signed, verifiable inline skate routes? Should a rare tag like this be in Map Features? Similar questions about route=running - are there real, signed running

[Tagging] Rare route=* values - route=power

2020-01-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Who is using route=power? It has no documentation except for a rather confusing Proposal page (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_routing_proposal/Tagging_similar_to_Transportation_routes) but it's used 15,000 times. Is this feature actually useful and verifiable? -

Re: [Tagging] Rare route values route=inline_skates and route=running

2020-01-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 15:23, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Similar questions about route=running - are there real, signed running > routes which are separate from walking or hiking routes? > Sort of, perhaps? :-) Have a look at:

Re: [Tagging] Rare route=* values - route=power

2020-01-10 Thread Warin
On 11/1/20 4:19 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Who is using route=power? It has no documentation except for a rather confusing Proposal page (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_routing_proposal/Tagging_similar_to_Transportation_routes) but it's used 15,000 times. Only

Re: [Tagging] Rare route values route=inline_skates and route=running

2020-01-10 Thread Peter Elderson
For Nederland: yes and yes. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op za 11 jan. 2020 om 06:23 schreef Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > The tag route=inline_skates was added to Map features, but it has > only been added a few times in the past 4 years. > > Are there actually signed, verifiable

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 18:04, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 09:34:32AM -0500, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 04:22, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > > > nearer to Road B. So you get

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-01-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 22:04 Dave F via Tagging, wrote: > On 09/01/2020 20:17, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > oneway=yes|no needs indeed be applicable to vehicles only, > > That tag on footways would apply only to walkers. > > DaveF > ... and what about all the roads that either have no separate

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-10 Thread Jake Edmonds via Tagging
Is the different between recycling and reusing important for the average consumer who a) wants to claim their deposit and b) doesn’t want to put the item into landfill? Even schemes designed to reused containers have a limit on the number of reuses, the container I return might be on it’s

Re: [Tagging] Rare route values route=inline_skates and route=running

2020-01-10 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 02:21:50PM +0900, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The tag route=inline_skates was added to Map features, but it has > only been added a few times in the past 4 years. > > Are there actually signed, verifiable inline skate routes? Yes, Switzerland has a whole network of those.

[Tagging] Correct use of height with kerb

2020-01-10 Thread Alessandro Sarretta
Dear all, I'm doing some work cleaning the edits we've done around Padova for the local plan for the elimination of architectural barriers (some references here: https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.3370704). The height of kerbs, in this context defined as the nodes at the intersection between

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:48:02AM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: > > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > > nearer to Road B. So you get navigated to the wrong spot on the road > > network. > > I don't understand what this has to do with addresses on buildings vs.

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
For big buildings/POIs mapped as areas, I would expect the routing engine to bring me to the main entrance, or if not available, any entrance. I also have seen similar problems, for example with the biggest airport in Rome: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=fco Routing starts about 8

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
> > > > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > nearer to Road B. So you get navigated to the wrong spot on the road > network. > I don't understand what this has to do with addresses on buildings vs. nodes. I would expect that an address is converted to

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:11:10PM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: > > Footways are not part of the by car routeable network. And > > access=no/access=private or highway=track and neither. > This depends on the router, AFAIK Magic Earth navigates over private > roads. It even combines it with

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 11:58 AM Florian Lohoff wrote: > > Footways are not part of the by car routeable network. And > access=no/access=private or highway=track and neither. > This depends on the router, AFAIK Magic Earth navigates over private roads. It even combines it with

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:37:21PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > For big buildings/POIs mapped as areas, I would expect the routing engine > to bring me to the main entrance, or if not available, any entrance. I also It doesnt. It generates a centroid of the area, searches for the nearest

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 04:22, Florian Lohoff wrote: > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > nearer to Road B. So you get navigated to the wrong spot on the road > network. This view is generated with the OSRM Car profile and mapping > all addr:* objects with

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 10. Jan. 2020 um 13:57 Uhr schrieb Florian Lohoff : > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:37:21PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > For big buildings/POIs mapped as areas, I would expect the routing engine > > to bring me to the main entrance, or if not available, any entrance. > > It

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-10 Thread Warin
A 'tourist' route would usually target scenery, history the occasional eatery. It should be 'interesting' to the visitor. The surface, smoothness is of concern to the sports car driver or the road racing bicycle rider where they want a good road. For different reasons the tourist in a 4WD or MTB

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 10. Jan. 2020 um 09:09 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > A 'tourist' route would usually target scenery, history the occasional eatery. > It should be 'interesting' to the visitor. > > Yes, a tourist route may sometimes be identified unambiguously, for example if it is a

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-10 Thread Peter Elderson
Andy Townsend : > Peter Elderson wrote: > > Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven > > > >> I think; > >> Those who bicycle know why there needs to be these classes. > >> Those who don't ride a bicycle regularly see no need for these classes. > > I wonder which of these groups you

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 10. Jan. 2020 um 08:58 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis : > > amenity=reverse_vending_machine > > reverse_vending=bottle_return > > > > Machines may take more than one type of item. Some here take bottles and > bottle creates. Some take metal cans. > > > > Reverse vending machines are not the only

[Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 11:04:21PM +, marc marc wrote: > Le 06.01.20 à 08:47, Florian Lohoff a écrit : > > If you have HUGE Buildings i use a node with an address. > > it's amazing the difference in usage. > I find that addr nodes are very problematic for hudge buildings like > shopping malls

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 07:04:20AM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: > Perhaps I was not clear, what was pointed out is that it is sufficient > to have the address on the building, there is no need to repeat it on > the POI (besides the parts that are different such as unit_nr or > floor). > Although I now