[Tagging] What access key for cargo bike ?

2019-12-19 Thread Florimond Berthoux
of those bicycle type not just a part of them. Taginfo doesn't help me here. Tags would be : amenity=bicycle_parking [english for freight bicycle]=designated The access key could be use also for other features like ramp, barrier, elevator... -- Florimond Berthoux

Re: [Tagging] What access key for cargo bike ?

2019-12-20 Thread Florimond Berthoux
and > other bikes. What about France? > > Cheers Martin > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Florimond Berthoux __

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Florimond Berthoux
; unsurveyed surface=asphalt tags to many roads in the UK which I find > quite irritating. > > ael > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-25 Thread Florimond Berthoux
t; the crossing nodes would carry the attributes. > > Well, I have given my thoughts, good luck with the proposal! > > Best, Peter Elderson > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-06 Thread Florimond Berthoux
ental or otherwise). It's not a spring. > > -- > Paul > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

2020-02-03 Thread Florimond Berthoux
provided_lock,* > > > ??? > Useless I think, bicycle_parking is good enough for that. -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-25 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Le sam. 25 janv. 2020 à 15:19, Peter Elderson a écrit : > Florimond Berthoux : > >> With a table the pedestrians have to cross the road, it is the opposite >> for the continuous sidewalk that's why I'm in favor to add a new value >> > traffic_calming=continuous_sidewal

[Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-23 Thread Florimond Berthoux
or ways of a feature. Helpful comments are welcome. -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-24 Thread Florimond Berthoux
t; > > > > > Best, Peter Elderson > > > ___ > > > Tagging mailing list > > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-28 Thread Florimond Berthoux
faik) 2) cycleway > -> blue 3) combined foot-cycleway (as sidewalk) > -> light blue 4) segregated foot-cycleway (as sidewalk; with separate lanes for > pedestrians and bicycles) > -> blue + one outline in green > Volker > check ht

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

2020-02-01 Thread Florimond Berthoux
___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Florimond Berthoux
quite confusing for travelers who > generally expect a "taxi" to be 4-wheeled motorcar capable of carrying > 4 people and luggage. So a different tag is proposed to avoid > confusion and more precisely tag these features. > > - Joseph Eisenberg > &

Re: [Tagging] Tagging venues which give away free condoms?

2020-02-21 Thread Florimond Berthoux
; > > -- > Rory > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?=<88cad950-d9cc-3c2e-9015-a54d7206a...@gmx.com>

2020-02-11 Thread Florimond Berthoux
> > When I look at it what I'm hearing is whoosh: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/20333 > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?=<88cad950-d9cc-3c2e-9015-a54d7206a...@gmx.com>

2020-02-10 Thread Florimond Berthoux
very frequent in some >> countries. So it's there. I would not deprecate other tagging practices >> though. >> >> _______ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards

2020-02-16 Thread Florimond Berthoux
e a good > counter-value for "removable". > > Hauke > > [0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bollard > [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=bollard#values > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards

2020-02-16 Thread Florimond Berthoux
So I guess you'll be against mapping roads also ? 1.35 millions deaths, that something to consider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate Le dim. 16 févr. 2020 à 22:52, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : > On 16/2/20 10:29 pm, Florimond Berth

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-21 Thread Florimond Berthoux
congested cities and rural > areas with narrow roads and paths. Motorcar taxicabs with 4 wheels in > 2 tracks cannot access {{tag|highway|path}} features and narrow roads, > but motorcycles may be permitted and feasible due to their narrow > width and single track. > > So a different tag is propos

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-13 Thread Florimond Berthoux
learly what it is from > the satellite imagery (like surface=grass). > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-09 Thread Florimond Berthoux
another optional tag for route relations might be useful, perhaps just function=recreational/practical or something. > > -- > Joost Schouppe -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-11 Thread Florimond Berthoux
though I guess that'd be rare. For other relations I don't know, I don't map or use them much. However I guess that road relation can have a road:type=* tag also. What do you think ? -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-15 Thread Florimond Berthoux
> Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-15 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Project progressive web app powered by OpenStreetMap, > Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons data can be found : > https://europeanwaterproject.org > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/li

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-15 Thread Florimond Berthoux
er Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> a écrit : >> >> 5. Re: Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant >> (Florimond Berthoux) >> >>>> Hello Florimond, While I don't necessarily feel the solution you propose is preferable, I do share your love of KISS thoug

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-18 Thread Florimond Berthoux
t would seem to make sense to explain why they believe their set of tags is the best. > > I hope this can help expedite the process. > > Best regards, > > Stuart -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-19 Thread Florimond Berthoux
and restaurants willing to participate in the refill > revolution. And that the bottle precision might only be necessary for those > refusing bottles and insisting on serving a glass of water. I agree. -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing lis

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-16 Thread Florimond Berthoux
n be optional though we can use drinking_water:fee. drinking_water in a cafe can be assumed to not be self_service by default. -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-21 Thread Florimond Berthoux
>> Cheers Martin >> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-21 Thread Florimond Berthoux
t;=> drinking_water:fee=free_for_customers -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-09 Thread Florimond Berthoux
e significant mapping of these purposes. > > Best, Peter Elderson > > > Op do 9 jan. 2020 om 15:08 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > >> Am Do., 9. Jan. 2020 um 10:41 Uhr schrieb Florimond Berthoux < >> florimond.berth...@gmail.com&g

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-09 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Le jeu. 9 janv. 2020 à 22:05, Peter Elderson a écrit : > > Florimond Berthoux het volgende geschreven: >  > Ok, you need examples : > this Eurovelo 3 is for tourism > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9351172#map=12/48.8454/2.4130=C > this REVe Nord-Sud is for comm

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-12 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Le sam. 11 janv. 2020 à 21:20, marc marc a écrit : > > Le 11.01.20 à 21:05, Florimond Berthoux a écrit : > > What do you think ? > > avoid the word "type" in a key as it as no additional meaning. > type can be everything (type of operator, difficulty, use,

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-12 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Le sam. 11 janv. 2020 à 22:22, Peter Elderson a écrit : > > Florimond Berthoux : >> >> So I propose to use for bicycle route >> bicycle:type=trekking/road_bike/commute/mtb >> > > I don't think commute is a type of bicycle? Trekking maybe, but here in N

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-12 Thread Florimond Berthoux
se users (like routing applications) can look at > other Openstreetmap data, like surface=* tags on ways, and external > data like elevation models, to determine if a route is a difficult > single-track trail through the hills versus a fla

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Florimond Berthoux
would depend on the other access keys, I think the wiki is clear https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated "The value designated is not meant to imply that OpenStreetMap access=* permissions have been automatically "designated" only to that transport mod

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Florimond Berthoux
ady implemented the > prefect tagging scheme somewhere. > > Volker > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-07 Thread Florimond Berthoux
nal law here but only if there is a traffic sign saying this obligation. mandatory=yes ? -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-07 Thread Florimond Berthoux
motor_vehicle=designated you know that a motorcycle and a > motorcar are both permitted on the way. > IIRR the thread about cargo bicycle parking went dead without providing > answers about implications or legalities, that’s why I was asking again. > > Cheers Martin -- Florimond Berthoux __

Re: [Tagging] Footways where pedestrians may only walk in one direction: oneway:foot=yes or foot:backward=no?

2020-04-16 Thread Florimond Berthoux
gt;> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.or

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-06 Thread Florimond Berthoux
guess it provides a way to say it's a mountain biking track but without > knowing or wanting to make a determination of the exact mtb:scale. Also > mtb:scale on a highway=track is still a track so it provides some way to > say whats a mountain biking track. Some people here have been very vo

Re: [Tagging] Tagging and rendering places without a name

2020-04-20 Thread Florimond Berthoux
dge. > > The tough question is when some place is considered a 'place' and may be > mapped when the name is unknown. > > I am curious about further reactions on this topic. > > Kind regards, > *Hidde Wieringa* > ___ > Tagging maili

Re: [Tagging] Tagging and rendering places without a name

2020-04-21 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Le mar. 21 avr. 2020 à 06:03, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : > On 21/4/20 5:31 am, Florimond Berthoux wrote: > > Hi Hidde, welcome, > > The wiki definition is « Used to indicate that a particular location is > known by a particular name, to indicate what sort o

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-02 Thread Florimond Berthoux
______ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-04 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Le sam. 4 avr. 2020 à 10:18, Snusmumriken a écrit : > On Fri, 2020-04-03 at 20:53 +0200, Florimond Berthoux wrote: > > For this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7wbi4wGbsg (Andrew's > > example) > > We're on the edge of tags definition : this a path limited cyclist, >

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-05 Thread Florimond Berthoux
a more precise > value -> mtb:scale=yes ? > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-03 Thread Florimond Berthoux
I think the leisure=track approach could work, bu let's look around a bit > first. > I am not familiar with the tagging, but I have seen in the US designated > areas and tracks for 4wd vehicles, how are those tagged? Maybe that could > be a model. > > Volker > > -- Flo

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-01 Thread Florimond Berthoux
h. And for example in Poland >> some >> sport pitch may be used for an occasional event, festival of various >> types. >> >> Note: I am unfamiliar with on-the-ground situation in Africa >> ___ >> Tagging mailing li

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-09 Thread Florimond Berthoux
t; > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 1:34 PM Florimond Berthoux < > florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > 5) As a French I have to give you again the universal answer : > amenity=taxi + motorcycle=yes + whateveryourvehicle=yes|designated :) > >

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-10 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Le dim. 10 mai 2020 à 01:25, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > On 9. May 2020, at 22:50, Florimond Berthoux > wrote: > > Yeah, that's the point... > > Keep it simple. > You know taxi key ? You know motorcycle key ? Yeah, you can contribute > without checking y

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

2020-05-06 Thread Florimond Berthoux
_ Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-08 Thread Florimond Berthoux
n the West? > > -- Joseph Eisenberg > _______ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

2020-05-03 Thread Florimond Berthoux
ve cycleway:lane:width cycleway:lane:color etc. ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Change of wiki page Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Florimond Berthoux
pt bicycles" under various traffic signs (on average in last years - > about one added every month), > in some cases it was simpler than inventing fitting tagging scheme for > really absurd cases. > ___ > Tagging mailing li

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-28 Thread Florimond Berthoux
cally > like roads, then also context becomes irrelevant when separating footway > and cycleway from path. > > /Daniel > > _______ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-28 Thread Florimond Berthoux
its page, value definition on the its page or on the key page if there is no need for special page. Keep definition as simple as possible. -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Florimond Berthoux
; > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Florimond Berthoux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Is it bicycle_parking=stands?

2020-07-05 Thread Florimond Berthoux
e, but rather in O shape > > > https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ABicycle_parking_-_stand_in_ring_form.jpg > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Florimond Berthoux
;> >> or >> traffic_calming=mini_bumps ? >> >> when they come up with something smaller that could still be micro_bumps >> ;-) >> >> >> Cheers Martin >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-16 Thread Florimond Berthoux
n't willing to accept the > outcome of the community decision-making process? > There are no such things as "democratic process" or "community consensus" in tagging in OSM. So please, we must be tolerant with others' freedom to express their