Re: [Tagging] How to tag a way with several conditional access restrictions

2018-07-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi Paul This is not perfect, but it is how I would tag that service road: vehicle = delivery disabled = yes foot = yes description = "Vehicular access for launching boats only. Vehicles must be returned to the main parking area." Maybe someone else has a better idea. Note that the wiki states

Re: [Tagging] Put the name in sidewalks and cycleways

2018-08-05 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hola On Sun, 5 Aug 2018 at 18:44, yo paseopor wrote: > Why the road is the only item I don't have any doubt to tag it with name= ? > Why the road is more important than the sidewalk or the cycleway? What is > more important : person, car or bike? Because a sidewalk is a part of a road (like a

Re: [Tagging] Put the name in sidewalks and cycleways

2018-08-05 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi Tobias Yes, sidewalk mapped as ways are problematical for routeing. In order to not create islands in (residential) areas without marked crossings, one has to map unmarked crossings. If there are lowered kerbs or if a sidewalk is just interrupted by a perpendicular street, it seems okay to map

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 21:42, marc marc wrote: > In the same way as in osm we defined ";" as being the separator between > several values of the same key (with several exceptions), it would be > useful to define a separator between several lines of the same key. Then why not also use the

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
I suspect that the different punctuation marks on OSM are a consequence of different writing habits in the respective regions, which i recommend to follow. For example, in English-speaking regions and in Switzerland the slash without spaces is used (e.g. Biel/Bienne), unless one of the two names

Re: [Tagging] addr:street=* combined with place=square, name=*

2018-08-13 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi I'd rather use addr:place="Square Name" in that case. In don't agree that addr:place is 'intended for larger objects like "villages, islands, territorial zones"'. I also use addr:place e.g. for settlements (place=neighbourhood) or hamlets, if there is no street with the addresses' name

[Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-16 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hello What is the usual (or sensible) way to tag small canals like mill races (example: [^1]) or small irrigation channels (example: [^2]), i.e. the small equivalent of waterway=canal? [^1]: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:15-19-077,_mingus_creek_-_panoramio.jpg [^2]:

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-17 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 at 18:20, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > On Thursday 16 August 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > The canal definition was changed in March 2018, before it said to use > > canal only for „the largest waterways created for irrigation > > purposes“ > > Yes, that was the

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Maybe a possible solution to get rid of name=* tags containing names in multiple languages would be to add the information about which languages are spoken in a particular region to its boundary relation (e.g. spoken_languages=de;fr to the municipality boundary of Biel/Bienne). However, the

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 20:03, Daniel McCormick wrote: > I propose that only one language is used for the name= tag. This will help to > create a standard for naming that will bring clarity and consistency. If > multiple languages are used in the area, place the most commonly used > language in

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
PS: Or, in case access is granted only to pedestrians: > > foot=destination foot:conditional=yes @ (Oct-Apr 07:00-20:00; May-Sep 07:00-22:30) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Saturday, August 18, 2018, Jmapb wrote: > > > Any particular reason to include the day numbers rather than just using > the month name to indicate the whole month? > The reason is i forgot to remove the day numbers when copy-pasting. :-) You can omit them (but you don't have to).:

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-20 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi I've written an issue request on openstreetmap-carto regarding the too thick canal rendering: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3354 Regards Markus On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 at 18:20, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > On Thursday 16 August 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > >

[Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-17 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, August 17, 2018, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Friday 17 August 2018, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > > Of course we could just use width=*, but it's not always easily > > possible to measure the width (e.g. in a forest) and sometimes it > > changes ofte

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-21 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 19:33, Greg Troxel wrote: > If it's private, then access=yes is arguably not right, as permission is > granted to the public, vs the public having a right of access. > > So I would use > > access=permissive > > instead of yes. But this is a far larger issue than this one

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi On Friday, August 17, 2018, Jmapb wrote: > I've got a pedestrian way behind a large apartment building (leads to a > back entrance) that's restricted to residents only after hours. Or more > precisely, it's signed "Open to the public Oct 1 - Apr 30 7am-8pm, May 1 - > Sep 30 7am-10:30pm." > >

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Saturday, August 18, 2018, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > foot=destination > foot:conditional=yes @ (Oct 1-Apr 30 07:00-20:00, May 1-Sep 30 07:00-22:30) > Sorry, i've made a mistake: there should be a semicolon instead of a comma: foot:conditional=yes @ (Oct 1-Apr 30 07:00-20:00;

Re: [Tagging] landcover=asphalt ; landuse=highway

2018-07-15 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 15:38, Leo Gaspard wrote: > These tags has already been put forth in the landcover proposal [1], but > I was just pointed to [2] where a user complained (rightfully) that the > shape of the road on OSM mismatched the shape of the actual road. > [2]

[Tagging] Transport mode on platforms? (Was: Re: Documentation issues of PT tagging schemes)

2018-07-25 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi It seems that the only problem with PTv2 that remains is the rendering of public_transport=platform, i.e. whether public_transport=platform (and maybe public_transport=station too) should get the transport mode tag(s) (bus=yes/tram=yes/...). Note that the PTv2 proposal suggested to map the

Re: [Tagging] Properties of swimming pools

2018-08-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:13 dktue, wrote: > I would like to tag information about the water-temperature and the > depth of the separate pools in the outdoor-swimming pool [1]. Are there > any suggested tag-names or should I just go with "depth" and "temperature"? > In case the pool depth varies,

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 02:38, Paul Johnson wrote: > I'm thinking, perhaps, a new access tag value: smv (slow moving vehicle). > Then you could (using my previous I 82 through the Cabbage Patch climb) do > something like smv:lanes:access=no|yes|designated. This seems like a good idea to me --

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-09 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 at 12:15, Philip Barnes wrote: > The only signage on autoroute with voie pour vehicules lents is the start of > a new crawler lane in English and a sign indicating 'vehicules lents'. There > is no indication of a maximum speed for that lane, beyond at 130 you may come > up

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 11:17, Dave Swarthout wrote: > I'm still not convinced the lanes:smv tagging scenario is the best solution > but were I to change my mind, how would I tag my turnouts? Here is another > screen shot of the particular section of highway with a turnout on both sides > of

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
he lanes technique. > > Thanks to all, > > Dave > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 6:51 PM SelfishSeahorse > wrote: > >> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 11:17, Dave Swarthout >> wrote: >> > I'm still not convinced the lanes:smv tagging scenario is the best >> soluti

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
t; the Sterling Highway, I'm going to leave them unmapped. Life is too >>> >> short and there is a lot of other mapping yet to do in Alaska. >>> >> >>> >> Although these lanes are not physically separated by a barrier other >>> >> than a

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 17:24, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 14:45, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > > To solve the contradiction we need to get rid of one of the two > > > definitions. > > > > they could be combine

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 19:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > I think it's better to stick to either a common or a technical > > definition. > > > it doesn’t have to be the British definition of terms, has it? It would already be helpful if there actually were a common definition to distinguish

[Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-05 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, October 5, 2018, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > I don't know how many of the 3500 worldwide are actually > communications_towers bu that definition, but I'd guess not more than a > dozen or 2? > There are already more than a dozen in the small country of Switzerland. > I'd like to

Re: [Tagging] Ignore roundabout flare in counting

2018-10-05 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, October 5, 2018, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > Is there tagging to let announcements ignore that flare? > I think that if the driveway is tagged highway=service, this should be enough information for the routeing engine to ignore it. Besides there might be people that don't want the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 18:08, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > - way with natural=water and name="Small Pond" > - way with natural=water and name="Big Pond" > - relation grouping this ways with name="Groble" and proper type > > But how relation should be tagged? > > Tagging it natural=water seems

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 13:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > A very similar problem are parts of lakes by the way, e.g. look at this map > of the lake of Constance, showing names for parts of the lake: > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodensee#/media/File:Bodensee_satellit%2Btext.png > (or maybe

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 14:39, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > That is, we have two contradictory definitions on the wiki: the > engineering definition according to which a tower is freestanding and > mast guyed, and the other definition according to which 'a tower is > accessib

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-11 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 21:16, Tod Fitch wrote: > > I had not noticed the existence of the group relation before. Seems to me > that it and the controversial site relation have some overlap. For the > examples I can think of where I think the site relation works it seems like > the group

Re: [Tagging] Dispensing vs vending (Was: Combined waste/recycling bins)

2018-10-12 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 11:28, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > no, I would remove only those from "vending", which are not about vending. > E.g. parcels and excrement bags. Those that are about dispensers could get a > dispensing tag, those that offer completely different services like parcel >

Re: [Tagging] opening_hours value question

2018-10-12 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi! On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 13:33, John Willis wrote: > > - Can someone type me the necessary tag value for such a monthly calendar > dependant item? "Open on the 3rd Saturday from 10am-1pm" The n-th weekday of the month can be written by appending the number (1 for 1st, 2 for 2nd, ..., -1 for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-14 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Thank you, Joseph and Warin, for your feedback! On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 04:02, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > However, I'm not sure that "governmental" is the best value for the landuse > key. I think there would be a risk of mappers finding this tag in the editors > and using it for all

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-14 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi! On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 17:16, marc marc wrote: > > > But dividing land used for governing would complicate mapping too much > > why not ? school/education and military already exist. Because at least offices of the public administration and the executive body are often located in the same

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 20:35, Tom Hardy wrote: > > Just to throw a couple more your way: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/622149574 > landuse=garages is a staging area for city public works and county truck > repair, and > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/448672572 > amenity=recycling is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi, Martin! On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 01:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > So police stations are out? The ministry of defense is in, but the > subordinate units of it are out (because military)? Courts are in? Prisons? > Storage (e.g. >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 22:32, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > However, the problem of how to call the sub-tag(s) for public administration, > executive, parliament and courts were exactly the same as without > landuse=institutional + sub-tags. PS: The only benefit i see of landuse=i

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-14 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 17:42, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > Because at least offices of the public administration and the > executive body are often located in the same building. PS: Public administration is actually considered being a part of the executive. Do you or anyone else have ano

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-13 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hello everyone! I am proposing a new tag, landuse=governmental, for marking land that is used for governing: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dgovernmental Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Dispensing vs vending (Was: Combined waste/recycling bins)

2018-10-13 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 at 17:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > amenity=parcel_station > > parcel_station:send=yes/no > > parcel_station:receive=yes/no > > > +1, would be fine for me. > or amenity=parcel_machine? I'm indifferent to the tag name. Other possibilities are parcel locker or parcel

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-24 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 16:07, Greg Troxel wrote: > > The guy wires or not is made into the main thing here, but it's really a > detail. Obviously, from a certain height, tall cylindrical structures like masts need guy-wires for stabilisation. Otherwise, they need a larger diameter or a conical

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 01:58, Greg Troxel wrote: > > This reliance on guys does not align with engineering reality. guys are > needed depending on forces/loading, and there can be unguyed masts, that > are exactly like guyed masts but a bit shorter. I agree. > > A tower is a tall, slim

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 08:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On the other hand, speaking about “numbers”, those are probably facts and not > protectable by copyright If i'm not mistaken, numbers aren't protected by copyright, but a compilation of numbers (i.e. a database) can be protected; if

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 12:37, marc marc wrote: > > Le 26. 10. 18 à 09:28, SelfishSeahorse a écrit : > > What about tagging the presence or absence of traffic signals with a > > subkey, e.g. crossing:traffic_signals=yes/no? > > it is indeed always possible to take out all t

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 16:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > in Switzerland? In Italy they aren’t called zebra crossings (despite the > markings), they’re called traffic lights with pedestrian crossing. A zebra > crossing here means there aren’t traffic lights. Yes, the (yellow) zebra

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 16:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > > On 26. Oct 2018, at 14:57, SelfishSeahorse > > wrote: > > > > And what about the absence of road markings? crossing_ref=unmarked? > > > we generally do not m

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 12:53, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki wrote: > > On 26.10.2018 10.44, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > There are some marked non-zebra crossings in Switzerland: > > > > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/zMqUsiFYNMiJ3_kA4ODHSQ > > https://www.mapillary.com

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 12:46, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > Why should we invent a new subtagging scheme when we already have one with > crossing=* + crossing_ref=* ? Because there are countries where pedestrian crossings with traffic signals also have zebra markings and it's not obvious that

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-28 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 02:05, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > US law does not apply everywhere. Yes, it doesn't. Besides the USA don't recognise database right; apparently it's mainly used in the EU. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-28 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 02:07, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I would actually call them tanks rather than basins Doesn't a tank need to be closed? > When you look at storage_tanks > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstorage_tank, there are > actually sub-tags for >

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-28 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 08:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > landuse for tagging features is not a good fit, I prefer man_made for these, > as it fits better with the general scheme of tags I agree. This is why i proposed man_made=basin|tank in a later message. Regards Markus

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-28 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 14:23, François Lacombe wrote: > > structure={lattice,guyed, tube...} would be better than tower:construction. > 15k uses vs 150k. > Lattice is the structure and have nothing to do with actual construction. > This tag should be avoided. Seems sensible. > telecom=antenna

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-28 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi Lionel Thanks for this helpful clarification! I'd suggest to use them on OSM. Regards Markus On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 11:30, Lionel Giard wrote: > > At my work (a telecom company in Belgium), i see these types of mobile > structure construction : > - Self-supported pylons (the "tower",

Re: [Tagging] Area with restaurants, hotels, cinemas - is it landuse=commercial?

2018-10-29 Thread SelfishSeahorse
I'm not very happy with our definition of landuse=commercial as it isn't self-explanatory: it is mainly used for offices and warehouses, while retail, although belonging to commerce, has its own landuse=* value. In my opinion, it would make more sense either to tag retail as landuse=commercial +

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-31 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > WRT to Joseph's comment about "municipal, statal and federal", I would > welcome adding a property for the level (if a generic level is chosen for > landuse), maybe "admin_level" would suit best? This seems like a good idea. > How

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-11-01 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 09:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > I haven't seen anyone (recently) who supports your original proposal of > > keeping amenity=embassy and adding amenity=consulate. So I believe your > > first summary is inaccurate. > > I do. For me this is most consistent with the

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 15:29, Bryan Housel wrote: > > `crossing=marked` and `crossing=unmarked` are not new. They’ve been in use > for years. > > They solve the problem in that they are unambiguous and beginner-friendly. Unfortunately crossing=marked doesn't make a difference compared to

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 17:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 26. Oct 2018, at 16:39, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > > > Yes, the (yellow) zebra crossings are called 'zebra stripes' > > (Zebrastreifen) -- or officially 'pedestrian stripes' > > (Fussgä

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 17:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 26. Oct 2018, at 16:39, SelfishSeahorse > > wrote: > > > > Because road markings at crossings tell pedestrians if they have right > > of way or not. > > it depends on the jurisdi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-31 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 04:02, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > However, I'm not sure that "governmental" is the best value for the landuse > key. I think there would be a risk of mappers finding this tag in the editors > and using it for all governnment-owned land, not just for administrative >

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-27 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 19:23, Clifford Snow wrote: > > For tagging, I'd to suggest the two tags. > man_made=clarifier (used 28 times) > man_made=digester (anaerobic used 3 times, including one misspelling) Another idea i see is to extend the current tagging scheme with landuse=basin (+

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-27 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 15:06, Paul Allen wrote: > > It has the disadvantage that it doesn't make sense. At least not to me, as a > native speaker of > British English (which is the normal language for defining OSM tags) and as > somebody who > doesn't work in sanitation. Maybe a British

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-11-04 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hello! I've made following additions to the proposal: * Addition of the new tag governmental=legislature/executive/judiciary for specifying the governmental branch. * Reuse of the existing tag admin_level=* for indicating the administrative level (country, state, municipal etc.). Are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-11-04 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi Mateusz, Thank you for your feedback! > "for marking government premises" sounds like replacement of office=* tag I've changed the definition (back) to 'land used by government bodies / for governing'. > Current definitions "This excludes: (...) Land ''owned'' by the government" > means

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-02 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, November 2, 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Frequently you can't get this right. You will often have just one > carriageway (i.e. one highway way) and you will usually have 2 ways for the > tram tracks (if you draw each of them). > Although less precise, i would have only drawn

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-02 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Anyway, i'm wondering why tram tracks that are embedded in a street are mapped with separate ways instead of reusing the street way? Separating them seems topologically wrong. For example at this pedestrian crossing [1] one doesn't first cross tram tracks, then the street and then again tram

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 00:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I agree that in areas where marked pedestrian crossings aren’t marked as > zebra crossings, the tag could create problems or could not apply (I do not > know about such places but someone wrote it in the wiki). There are some marked

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 01:19, Bryan Housel wrote: > > Oh! I don’t like `crossing=zebra` either. Not sure whether you caught the > end of that issue #4788, but anyway I've decided I'm tired of hearing people > complain about `crossing=zebra` so going forward iD will support these 2 > presets:

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 23:40, marc marc wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a big issue with crossing=zebra. > it prevent to fill in the other value for crossing like > crossing=traffic_signals crossing=uncontrolled > the wiki [1] said that crossing=zebra is a shortchut for > crossing=uncontrolled +

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 11:30, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Tagging way crossing=traffic_island and nodes crossing=traffic_signals is > deeply not obvious. +1. That's too complicated. Furthermore it doesn't work on one-carriageway roads like e.g. here:

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 11:12, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Yes. For example in Poland there are crossing markings that look > very similar and have the same name with different legal > implications. Is there more than one marked crossings type w/o traffic signals in Poland? That is, one where

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-29 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 23:30, marc marc wrote: > > man_made=tank + usage=clarifier or usage=digester +1 Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-27 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 21:24, bkil wrote: > > crossing=uncontrolled had just this meaning - not controlled or > arranged by any device but instead always negotiated in situ between > traffic participants. [...] > > It should definitely not be understood as a synonym for "unmarked". > I'll try to

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-25 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 00:04, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Do we also need a RFC / vote to amend the wiki page, or can I just amend it & > clear up the bad reference photo's? > > I'd be looking at combining the mentioned engineering definition with the > popular opinion expressed here to

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-25 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 07:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > A lot of the big ones will be listed somewhere on the internet - the really > big ones have their heights listed on that wiki page I mentioned earlier Just note that Wikipedia (and other websites) isn't a legal source for OSM because

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-07 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 03:45, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Putting the centerline of the rails somewhere other than the middle of the > tracks is arguably worse, particularly for use cases that depend on this > (creating a train simulator, or pedestrian navigation, for example). As far as pedestrian

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 23:17, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Moot point, sidewalks should be mapped as separate ways for the same reason. I don't want to start another sidewalk discussion, but please note that sidewalks as separate ways don't solve all problems. Especially in residential areas without

Re: [Tagging] Add some tag to identify disputed borders

2018-11-14 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 01:52, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > My thinking on this is we should re-purpose the relation roles for this sort > of tagging. Right now we just copy the roles from type=multipolygon relations > (inner, outer) when we should be using something like the following: > >

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-29 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 00:29, Michael Booth wrote: > > The Wiki definition is: "a huge tower for transmitting radio applications > It is often made from concrete and usually a far visible landmark." > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man%20made=communications%20tower > > Looking

[Tagging] Dispensing vs vending (Was: Combined waste/recycling bins)

2018-10-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 00:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 9. Oct 2018, at 21:19, bkil wrote: > > > > amenity=waste_basket > > waste=dog_excrement > > vending=excrement_bags > > > > I've also seen waste_basket:excrement_bags=yes and fee=no, but I don't > > see much value in these at this

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

2018-10-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 16:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > A village a few miles from me (but in a different county) recently got one of > these combined litter/recycling bins: > https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2241627292737699=1632021387031629&__tn__=C-R > > How to tag? What about

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

2018-10-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 19:46, Paul Allen wrote: > > If I do it as one node or a single area, that is about the best that can be > done with existing > tags. The problem is it will get the icon for a waste bin, with no > indication it's also for > recycling. Fine if you use the query tool, but

Re: [Tagging] simply documenting tags WAS Re: hydrants

2018-10-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Map feature pages are for the documentation of established tags, I hope we > can agree on this? > > IMHO we should clarify that documenting ad hoc tags in the wiki (link above) > means either putting this documentation in your user

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 14:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > To solve the contradiction we need to get rid of one of the two definitions. > > they could be combined: if it is intended to be accessed by people (not only > for maintenance) and is not guyed it is a tower, otherwise it would be a

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 03:13, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dmast says that > > "In structural engineering, mast is a vertical structure, supported by > external guys and anchors. > > This is the only existing definite feature that could be used

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

2018-10-03 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 11:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I have tried to fix the picture and found, that there are now 2 distinct > traffic signs, one is for all 2-tracked motor vehicles, including cars: >

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

2018-10-03 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 at 17:58, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Thank you, I have now reverted the change wrt to motorcar. I've also reverted the change on the page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motorcar and tried to make the different meanings of that tag when either used as permission or

Re: [Tagging] Ignore roundabout flare in counting

2018-10-06 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 09:12, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 10:46:08PM +0200, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > On Friday, October 5, 2018, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > > Is there tagging to let announcements ignore that flare? > > > > I think that

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 13:55, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 13:13, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > A very similar problem are parts of lakes by the way, e.g. look at this map > > of the lake of Constance, showing names for parts of the lake: &

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-10-01 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hello everyone! I haven't forgotten the landuse=civic_admin proposal, but I'm uncertain about two points and would like to know your opinion: * Isn't 'civic administration' limited to the administration of a town or city (compared to the administration of the state, county etc.)? Maybe it would

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

2018-09-03 Thread SelfishSeahorse
The meaning of the motorcar key has been discussed some time ago with the conclusion that motorcar=no means 'no entry for any power driven vehicle except two-wheeled motor cycles without side-car', while motorcar=yes only means that motorcars are allowed. (Unfortunately i couldn't find the

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

2018-09-03 Thread SelfishSeahorse
I remember it has been discussed, but maybe not on this list. The problem was that different wiki pages had different definitions of landuse=meadow (used to tag land used for hay and for grazing animals), natural=grassland (mainly used to tag natural grassland/meadows) and landuse=farmland (used

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

2018-09-03 Thread SelfishSeahorse
/2017-November/thread.html#34194 ) On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 09:36 SelfishSeahorse, wrote: > The meaning of the motorcar key has been discussed some time ago with the > conclusion that motorcar=no means 'no entry for any power driven vehicle > except two-wheeled motor cycles without side-ca

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-04 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi! I'd propose to tag the section of the road with the turnout (or alternatively just a node) turnout:=yes. I would neither use a lane key nor a separate highway=service way, because slow vehicle turnouts aren't lanes for moving traffic and because a separate highway way would give the wrong

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread SelfishSeahorse
I couldn't agree more. Still sure that you don't want to resurrect the proposal? :-) I will never be able to express my thoughts that well ... On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 15:46, John Willis wrote: > > > > > On Sep 20, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > > > But this discussion is about land

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 10:40, Colin Smale wrote: > Maybe it's just me, but I really can't understand why landuse for government > functions needs its own tagging. The buildings are often indistinguishable > from commercial properties - what is different is that the occupier is some > statutory

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 11:20, egil wrote: > I tend to agree with Colins arguments below, because in Sweden gov. agencies > are very mixed into the central spaces of cities but often not clustered > together in large complexes or whole areas. Just because a tag would have no use in a specific

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