Do you really think that we would benefit from deprecation proposal?
(general opinion seems clear to me, but I can confirm that if you really
want...)
Oct 10, 2022, 09:57 by 61sundow...@gmail.com:
> I oppose depreciation of the tag.
>
>
> I would support depreciation of all non-decorative
I oppose depreciation of the tag.
I would support depreciation of all non-decorative 'fountains'.
On 10/10/22 07:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
For now I
1) notified people who used added this tag more than once
(currently mapped man_made=drinking_fountain are counted)
See
For now I
1) notified people who used added this tag more than once
(currently mapped man_made=drinking_fountain are counted)
See notification list at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain#Deprecation
2) added section "Problems" at
On Sat, Oct 08, 2022 at 03:01:57PM -0700, Minh Nguyen wrote:
> > But I was just trying to feed in that calling these things fountains is
> > not natural in everyday British English. Feel free to ignore.
> > The one term which is natural, drinking_fountain, I gather at least
> > one person wants to
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 16:04, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for the pipe ... does it have a tap, or does it flow constantly? Bore
> water? Spring water?
>
Sorry, forgot about this one.
One camping ground that I'm thinking of, that we visit frequently, water is
pumped from the creek
Wondering if one solution for continually running "fountain" vs a start /
stop tap, would be a simple ?
Thanks
Graeme
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Vào lúc 04:22 2022-10-08, ael via Tagging đã viết:
On Sat, Oct 08, 2022 at 09:52:46AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
sent from a phone
On 8 Oct 2022, at 07:55, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
Example Tom Bass Wall Fountain, Sydney, Australia 1963. Nicknamed "The Urinal"
for obvious
On Sat, Oct 08, 2022 at 09:52:46AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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> sent from a phone
>
> > On 8 Oct 2022, at 07:55, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Example Tom Bass Wall Fountain, Sydney, Australia 1963. Nicknamed "The
> > Urinal" for obvious reasons!
>
>
> according to a
sent from a phone
> On 8 Oct 2022, at 07:55, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Example Tom Bass Wall Fountain, Sydney, Australia 1963. Nicknamed "The
> Urinal" for obvious reasons!
according to a british mapper, this is not a fountain but a water feature 路♂️
On 7/10/22 09:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Davidoskky via Tagging
wrote:
With all these tags, there is still no way to properly describe a
place
with a pipe that provides water which is not drinkable and not
decorative.
Throwing another
On 7/10/22 23:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Am Fr., 7. Okt. 2022 um 13:46 Uhr schrieb ael :
Maybe. I guess that if I was starting from scratch, I might have a
general tag of water_feature and find choose suitable values to
describe
these things.
then I am happy we do not
On 4/10/22 23:48, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
I am not entirely how to solve various issues surrounding drinking
water terminology
(help highly welcomed!) but it is now really clear to me that
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain
Wiki page established
Am Fr., 7. Okt. 2022 um 13:46 Uhr schrieb ael :
> Maybe. I guess that if I was starting from scratch, I might have a
> general tag of water_feature and find choose suitable values to describe
> these things.
then I am happy we do not start from scratch :)
There are so many different kind of
On Fri, Oct 07, 2022 at 01:07:56PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> so basically you call a "fountain" what we call in German a "Fontaine", or
> "Springbrunnen", and what could be more specifically called a "waterspout
> fountain" in English, i.e. a structure where water is blasted into the
Thank you, I will close this long thread.
It makes no sense to keep talking about all these things here when the
purpose was just the deprecation of man_made=drinking_fountain.
I'll open a new thread in which I'll try to write my ideas about all
this in more detail in order to have a more in
so basically you call a "fountain" what we call in German a "Fontaine", or
"Springbrunnen", and what could be more specifically called a "waterspout
fountain" in English, i.e. a structure where water is blasted into the air,
and have no word for all the sculptural fountains that don't jet water in
On Fri, Oct 07, 2022 at 11:56:43AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> I would be interested to learn how you would call them, if "fountain" is
> not the correct term. Also I would like to add another example and ask
> whether that's a fountain for you:
>
I would be interested to learn how you would call them, if "fountain" is
not the correct term. Also I would like to add another example and ask
whether that's a fountain for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevi_Fountain
(don't let the name irritate you, just by looking at the thing).
Cheers,
On Oct 7, 2022, at 12:22 AM, Davidoskky via Tagging
wrote:
>> But I am very dubious about deprecation of amenity=drinking_water, even
>> if technically possible.
>>
>> Yes, I agree with Mateusz: I would find deprecation of
>> amenity=drinking_water to be highly problematic. It is a very
>>
But I am very dubious about deprecation of amenity=drinking_water, even
if technically possible.
Yes, I agree with Mateusz: I would find deprecation of amenity=drinking_water
to be highly problematic. It is a very long-established tag.
I also agree with this, I don't think it
everybody can write everything in the wiki, but man_made=drinking_fountain is a
low usage tag and drinking_fountain=yes is virtually unused (10 times
globally), whoever wrote this didn’t research actual usage. Where is it written?
It is written here:
sent from a phone
> On 7 Oct 2022, at 01:09, Davidoskky via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> For example, man_made=water_tap cannot coexist with
> man_made=drinking_fountain thus, in the wiki it currently advises to tag a
> water fountain that has a tap as man_made=water_tap drinking_fountain=yes.
Yes, I agree with Mateusz: I would find deprecation of amenity=drinking_water
to be highly problematic. It is a very long-established tag.
On Oct 6, 2022, at 10:06 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> But I am very dubious about deprecation of amenity=drinking_water, even
> if
Oct 7, 2022, 01:05 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:
>> these are 2 completely different things, one is a feature and one is a
>> property.
>>
>> both can be used, but typical applications will be different.
>>
>
> Yes, I meant that there is no need for such feature since it overlaps with
>
these are 2 completely different things, one is a feature and one is a property.
both can be used, but typical applications will be different.
Yes, I meant that there is no need for such feature since it overlaps
with other features and could very well be described as a property of
one of
On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Davidoskky via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> With all these tags, there is still no way to properly describe a place
> with a pipe that provides water which is not drinkable and not decorative.
>
Throwing another one into the mix - taps in camp
On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 05:56:03PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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>
> sent from a phone
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> > On 6 Oct 2022, at 11:41, ael via Tagging wrote:
> >
> > Definitely not a fountain.
> >
> > These all in British English.
>
>
> these all fountains in German and Italian, basically any
sent from a phone
> On 6 Oct 2022, at 14:00, Davidoskky via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> For example a public tap where you can wash clothes, which I guess you could
> tag as amenity=fountain, drinking_water=no but that does not differentiate it
> from a decorative fountain.
>
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> On 6 Oct 2022, at 14:00, Davidoskky via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> I feel that man_made=water_tap is quite useless in this regard and might very
> well be substituted for a tap=yes secondary value.
these are 2 completely different things, one is a feature and one is a
sent from a phone
> On 6 Oct 2022, at 11:41, ael via Tagging wrote:
>
> Definitely not a fountain.
>
> These all in British English.
these all fountains in German and Italian, basically any sculpture with water
around it or emerging from it is a fountain, particularly if the water is in
I think the above should depreciate amenity=drinking_water as it is
more generic.
I do like this approach, however it forces people to actually describe
several features when entering data in the database rather than just
writing "here you can drink".
While I might like this, I think this is
On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 01:41:21AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 5 Oct 2022, at 15:26, Jass Kurn wrote:
> >
> > The tag amenity=fountain was created to map the entity/object known in
> > English as fountains, and is documented in the OSM wiki with several
On 5/10/22 22:44, Illia Marchenko wrote:
Alternative to the sport=soccer is sport=british_football because
"football" is context specific, and "American football", "Australian
football", "Canadian football", "Gaelic football" exists.
In parts of Britain 'football' is rugby ...
For some
On 6/10/22 10:44, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
sent from a phone
On 5 Oct 2022, at 15:26, Jass Kurn wrote:
When it should be, as a suggestion, drinking_water:type=bubbler, or
drinking_water:type=bottle_refill.
these tags are misleading, you are not describing drinking water, hence it is
Vào lúc 03:04 2022-10-05, Warin đã viết:
On 5/10/22 08:25, Minh Nguyen wrote:
Vào lúc 11:54 2022-10-04, Jass Kurn đã viết:
I've just noticed there is a bubbler tag being promoted? Which
appears to be an American English term for a British English drinking
fountain. Why promote another term,
sent from a phone
> On 5 Oct 2022, at 15:26, Jass Kurn wrote:
>
> When it should be, as a suggestion, drinking_water:type=bubbler, or
> drinking_water:type=bottle_refill.
these tags are misleading, you are not describing drinking water, hence it is
not a suitable approach IMHO.
sent from a phone
> On 5 Oct 2022, at 15:26, Jass Kurn wrote:
>
> The tag amenity=fountain was created to map the entity/object known in
> English as fountains, and is documented in the OSM wiki with several pictures
> of fountains. eg
>
sent from a phone
> On 5 Oct 2022, at 13:48, ael via Tagging wrote:
>
> As a native British English speaker I had never heard of a "bubbler".
> As others have said, I would have called that a drinking_fountian.
> I really don't understand why some people object to that term, but then
> I
Le 05.10.22 à 15:21, Jass Kurn a écrit :
it should be, as a suggestion, drinking_water:type=bubbler, or
drinking_water:type=bottle_refill.
:type is a meaningless suffix
type of what ? big/small ? private/public ? nice/ugly ?
so our suggestion could be drinking_water=bubbler, or
On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 12:48, ael via Tagging
wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 05, 2022 at 10:46:39AM +, martianfreeloader wrote:
>
> As a native British English speaker I had never heard of a "bubbler".
> As others have said, I would have called that a drinking_fountian.
> I really don't understand why
On Wed, Oct 05, 2022 at 10:46:39AM +, martianfreeloader wrote:
> There is a broad consensus that the language for OSM tags is British
> English. Using a non-BE word for a tag because it is used in Australia while
> a synonymous BE word exists, would be the same using a Xhosa, Portuguese or
>
Alternative to the sport=soccer is sport=british_football because
"football" is context specific, and "American football", "Australian
football", "Canadian football", "Gaelic football" exists.
ср, 5 окт. 2022 г., 13:52 martianfreeloader :
> There is a broad consensus that the language for OSM
There is a broad consensus that the language for OSM tags is British
English. Using a non-BE word for a tag because it is used in Australia
while a synonymous BE word exists, would be the same using a Xhosa,
Portuguese or Korean word, just because it exists.
I know there are a few exceptions
On 5/10/22 08:25, Minh Nguyen wrote:
Vào lúc 11:54 2022-10-04, Jass Kurn đã viết:
I've just noticed there is a bubbler tag being promoted? Which
appears to be an American English term for a British English drinking
fountain. Why promote another term, and use an American English term.
What
On Tue, 4 Oct 2022 at 22:51, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> Can we mark it as deprecated and recommend not using it?
>
Yep, I'd be happy with that.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 at 04:59, Jass Kurn wrote:
>
> I've just noticed there is a bubbler tag being promoted?
I have introduced the bubbler tag because internet search suggested it was
a suitable term, and it works well in the sense that you can imagine what
it is about just by looking at the tag "fountain=bubbler".
In general, I suggest you take out your phone and make a picture of the
drinking fountains
Am Di., 4. Okt. 2022 um 17:14 Uhr schrieb Davidoskky via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org>:
>
> *Bubbler with tap *
>
>- amenity=fountain
>- fountain=bubbler
>- drinking_water=yes
>- man_made=water_tap
>
>
they are not usually mapped as "amenity=fountain", typical tagging is:
Vào lúc 11:54 2022-10-04, Jass Kurn đã viết:
I've just noticed there is a bubbler tag being promoted? Which appears
to be an American English term for a British English drinking fountain.
Why promote another term, and use an American English term. What was
wrong with calling a drinking
Oct 4, 2022, 20:54 by jassk...@gmail.com:
> I can not agree with deleting this tag while the rest of the tagging for
> drinking water is such a mess. It feels as if you're concentrating on an ant
> in the corner of the room while ignoring the dancing elephant in the middle
> of the room.
>
I
in my experience, small steps are more likely to succeed and are a
good thing, especially when they go in a consistent long-term direction
I agree with Marc, man_made=drinking_fountain appears to be completely
useless and redundant.
I see no reason against deprecating it.
If other things
Le 04.10.22 à 20:54, Jass Kurn a écrit :
I can not agree with deleting this tag while the rest of the tagging for
drinking water is such a mess
it depend if this one is a good idea, despite the dancing elephant :)
or if it's not a good idea
in my experience, small steps are more likely to
I can not agree with deleting this tag while the rest of the tagging for
drinking water is such a mess. It feels as if you're concentrating on an
ant in the corner of the room while ignoring the dancing elephant in the
middle of the room.
Do feel it should eventually be deleted, but as part of
With replacement of man_made=water_tap where applicable > which is
likely for all cases or almost all cases.
and for other amenity=fountain + drinking_water=yes ?
I agree, man_made=drinking_fountain has no reason to exist.
*Bubbler with tap
*
* amenity=fountain
* fountain=bubbler
*
Le 04.10.22 à 14:48, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit :
Can we mark it as deprecated and recommend not using it?
yes
With replacement of man_made=water_tap where applicable > which is likely for
all cases or almost all cases.
and for other amenity=fountain + drinking_water=yes ?
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