RE: Problem with app central

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Joseph,

Wow, I have a left hand.  When did that happen? (smile)

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 10:19 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: Problem with app central

Hi:

I suspect they’ve let the certificate expire.

They are not used to maintaining the GW sites, but, sending a message to 
wesupp...@aisquared.com will probably get it resolved.

They are getting big enough that, sometimes, the left hand doesn’t know what 
the right hand is doing.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:28 PM
To: Donald L. Roberts; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Problem with app central

Hi Donald,

I got the same message when I tried to download Jeff Bishop's app.
I'll send an email to wesupp...@aisquared.com to let them know.

Best,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: June 5, 2017 9:18 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Problem with app central

I certainly hope that someone has had the foresight to download all of the 
scripts from App central. When I attempted to search the site this afternoon, I 
got a message alleging that the sight was not secure, and I was precluded from 
getting in at all to download Window-eyes scripts.  
It is my sincere hope that this is not some thinly disguised effort on the part 
of VFO to tighten the screws on Window-eyes users.


In case anyone has them and is willing to send them to me, I need scripts for 
Ed Sharp and also for the Duxbury braille translator.  The Winamp scripts of 
which I speak are those written by Jeff Bishop, and they are just great.  I 
know of course that the Jaws scripts are fine, but I prefer to continue using 
Window-eyes 9.5.4.


Thanks.


Don Roberts


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RE: app central is being blocked by firefox.

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Yes, sorry for the confusion everyone.  Our web certificate had expired without 
our knowledge.  We have renewed the certificate so all is well again.  The 
warnings and such are all gone and the page is working as it should.

Regards,
Doug

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 1:19 AM
To: via Talk 
Subject: app central is being blocked by firefox.

hi,
i was getting an error for app central that it was a unsecured connection.
if you get this it is because the gwmicro security certificate expired on 6 4
2017
if you  continue the security certificate will open and you can check the 
exception check box to allow it. then you will be able to access the app 
central page.


There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth. 

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JAWS and the web

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

I've seen several questions regarding how you use JAWS on the web.  I just want 
to remind people of the Window-Eyes to JAWS tutorials that Raul developed.  
There are 8 of them and they can be found on the Migrate page at:

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/

The last one is specifically on web browsing.  Also, you may want to spend some 
time on the Surf's Up.  If you practice here, you'll go a long way to 
understanding and learning the various options on the web.  On the JAWS 
Headquarters, this page is found at:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Surfs-Up/_Surfs_Up_Start_Here.htm

Someone asked specifically how you manually turn on and off forms mode in Jaws. 
 That is answered her but specifically that can be found at:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Surfs-Up/Forms.htm

Regards,
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RE: migrating situation

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Orlando,

I have to admit, you make this seem like a no-brainer.  However, there are many 
issues at play that I don't believe you understand.  For example, we currently 
license the Duxbury braille translator, we can't simply give that away.  We 
license several synthesizers, again, we can't give them away.  We have special 
coding to give us access to encrypted PDF documents.  There is no way we can 
simply give that coding away as we have an agreement with Adobe.  We also offer 
the ability to encrypt our Window-Eyes apps.  Would it be fair to release the 
unlocking code for that and allow anyone to see the code of an encrypted 
script.  These are the first to pop off my head, there are many other examples 
of this where we can't just plop the code on the counter and let whoever have 
at it.  I'm just pointing out things aren't always as easy as you are 
portraying.

Regards,
Doug

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:44 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: migrating situation

At 05:11 PM 5/16/2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
 >There is nothing free, someone has to pay for it. You can't expect a company 
 >like GWMicro to provide WE to blind people. free. However a company like 
 >Microsoft could develope a screen reader where all blind people could have 
 >access, the cost could be spread acros millions of Windows user and cost 
 >would minial.

Window-eyes' code is obviously already written. It is working impeccably on 
both my Windows 10 systems and I plan to rely on it for as long as possible. 
Its scripting capabilities are much more robust than any other screen reader; 
plus, sighted programmers used to VBScript, JSCript, Python, Pearl, C++ and a 
host of other COM automation languages could write Window-eyes scripts. But 
with the code locked up, Window-eyes will not be able to keep up with hardware 
and software hangers in Windows .
International copyright law is useful here. Works are copyrighted in order to 
be distributed freely or sold for profit; the copyright makes sure that 
royalties go to the copyright holder. But when copyrights lapse and works are 
put in the public domain, they can be freely distributed and altered.
In Window-eyes' case, since the product is more than currently viable, it can 
obviously still be used. But when it requires updates, release of the code 
would make that possible at no loss or inconvenience to Gwmicro's founders.


Orlando Enrique Fiol

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RE: whole migrating situation

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Orlando,

Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared.  It was a perfect 
match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen reader 
and we didn't have screen enlargement.  The merger worked very well.  Dan and I 
had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or against).  Just 
wanted to make sure that was clear.  You seemed to imply otherwise.

Regards,
Doug

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

 >So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers 
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or MCI, back in the day, 
you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long 
distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the 
accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising 
software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, 
the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to 
take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and 
Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: of...@verizon.net 

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RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Amanda,

Just to be clear, this is not true.  One copy of the Window-Eyes offer for 
users of Microsoft office can be installed on as many machines as you need.

Doug

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:04 PM
To: 'Karen Poulakos' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

You will have to download Window-Eyes for Office as a new installation per each 
computer you use because of how it authorizes per each computer.  I could be 
incorrect though.  I'm sure someone will advise.

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[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
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Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away, 
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I 
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in order 
for it to work. 

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that? 

Karen Poulakos

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RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Karen,

Currently we don't have any plans on removing the Window-Eyes offer for users 
of Microsoft Office.  But if you want to be safe, you can certainly just 
download the 9.5.4 version there now and tuck it away for a rainy day.  It can 
be used on as many machines as you need. 

So yes, just put it on a thumb drive and keep it in a safe place and use it on 
as many machines as you need.

Doug

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away, 
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I 
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in order 
for it to work. 

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that? 

Karen Poulakos

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RE: Window-Eyes users in the UK

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Hello John and others,

I've just been informed that if you are in the U.K. or Australia you may submit 
your request to migrate to JAWS in the same manner as those in the U.S.  
Meaning simply go to:

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/

Read about your options and click on the migrate form or simply go directly 
there with the following:

http://www.gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/migrateform/

Be as detailed as you can about your situation and submit the form.

If you are in other countries you are still being asked to contact your local 
VFO dealer to discuss the migration path details.

Regards,
Doug


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:28 AM
To: Window Eyes talk 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes users in the UK

Hi Steve,

I had forgotten that you were also a Window-Eyes dealer in the UK.

Aaron Smith just pointed out Sight and Sound to me when I asked him who the 
dealer was in the UK.
I can repeat Peter's comment that Toby, in S and S, knows nothing about any 
actions they will be taking yet and wants me to check his web site periodically 
just to see if there are any changes on it!





Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'pete gurney'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: window-eyes users in the UK

Hi Pete,

Worse still, as a dealer of Window-Eyes I have also had absolutely no contact.

So to me, VFO haven't really changed the way Freedom used to do things, they 
are not supporting dealers or customers outside the UK very well at this point.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of pete gurney via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 09:22
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: window-eyes users in the UK

hi all,

having just spoken to the main dealer of Jaws in the UK Sight and Sound they 
have confirmed that they have had no contact from VFO concerning any migration 
offer for window-eyes users in the UK.
 they have asked me to speak to them again next week to give them time to try 
and find out what is happening, but as of this minute it appears as if there is 
no offer for users over here and we could be left high and dry.

pete.

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Matthew,

I wanted to formally address this question.  You can install JAWS on as many 
computers as you need.  We give you 3 keys but will reset and are very 
understanding to this sort of thing. As long as you are not reformatting your 
computers, you should not be losing keys.

As for the work question with a network, we routinely do this also for people 
that need to set up a license server with 1 or 2 keys for their use only.  We 
don't advertise this but something we make available with cost, upon request.

Regards,
Doug

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

My question is:  On how many computers can we install JAWS?  The reason I ask 
is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, 
and a new laptop.  Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing 
requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed.  With the new JAWS, 
that may not be the case.  In that instance, I have issues about migrating.  
Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted 
installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy.  This kind of "too bad, so 
sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will.


Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the 
state.  I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes.  As long 
as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy.  
With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more 
money, a disincentive for hiring us.  
Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes.  It will happily co-exist with 
> Jaws.  Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other 
> whenever you want it.  Don’t know how long app central and the other Web 
> services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the 
> present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it.
>
> I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel 
> an urgency to start using Jaws right away.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support 
> package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
> converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
> an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
> use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if 
> you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team 
> at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
> contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request 
> additional information if necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 
> 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.

RE: WE voices

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Don,

Of course JAWS comes with Eloquence and Vocalizer Expressive.  So those you get 
no matter what.  But any other voices you may have purchased for your copy of 
Window-Eyes will not migrate over.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:17 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: WE voices

If we have purchased the vocalizer and vocalizer express voices for WE Will we 
receive the same voices for JAWS for free?
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

David,

Tandem is a feature that lets one JAWS users remotely assist another JAWS 
users. Window-Eyes had a similar feature.  I'm not sure why they broke up the 
installers with and without Tandem other than to bring the installer size down 
and less to run.   You could always switch later if you felt you needed Tandem 
or you no longer want it.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:34 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Confused.


I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose the 
version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32 64bit. What 
confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit, and then the same 
for something that says non-tandem.


What should I go for, and will that have any impact on the licensing?


Further, it asks me to choose my prefered language. What is the licensing of 
Jaws, when comes to english/non-English versions? Can you freely switch within 
the set of supported languages, or is it the way you download and license one 
given language, and are stuck with that language forever?


Thanks for any pointers.



David

On 5/15/2017 6:50 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have 
> an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be 
> able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
> problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:
>
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>
> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
> To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
> List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> HI Doug,
> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
> how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
> code?
> Regards
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Cussons
> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Don,
>
> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used 
> in a work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The 
> cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
>
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Aaron,
> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS 
> Pro and Home versions?
>
> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in 
> the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support 
> package.
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are 
>> offering
> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing 
> a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free 
> version, if you are intere

RE: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Brenda,

Yikes, I posted the wrong URL for you.  The correct URL is:

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/

Sorry for that.  There is a tutorial specifically talking about the differences 
of how to read the screen and how the JAWS/PC cursor works under JAWS.

Regards,,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:19 PM
To: Doug Geoffray via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

Has anyone found the tutorials doug is talking about?  I looked on the link he 
provided but can't find any tutorials.
thanks
Brenda
On 5/15/2017 2:58 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Brenda,
>
> Unfortunately there is not a Window-Eyes keyboard layout in JAWS.  To help 
> people migrate from Window-Eyes to JAWS, there are 8 tutorials that you can 
> listen to that talk about changes you may notice.  These tutorials are 
> designed for Window-Eyes users switching to JAWS.  You can find the links for 
> the tutorials from the following web page:
>
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:51 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Window-eyes commands using Jaws
>
> Hello List and maybe Doug,
>
>
> In Window-eyes there was a Jaws keyboard.  Is there a Window-eyes keyboard in 
> Jaws?
>
>
> Are there any tutorials specifically on how to do things I did in 
> Window-eyes using Jaws?
>
>
> I have done some of the on-board Jaws tutorials, but I am having 
> trouble figuring out how do to what I used to do with W-e.  for 
> example - using the mouse cursor.  Using Jaws I can't seem to move the 
> mouse cursor around the screen.  In w-E there was CNTRL-SHIFT-B to 
> change where the mouse could go from full screen to focused window to 
> active window.  I don't know how to do that in Jaws OR if it would 
> make the mouse cursor read more.
>
>
> I'm asking here instead of a Jaws list as I'm hoping some dual users 
> who understand Window-eyes will be able to help me.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> brenda
>
>
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RE: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Brenda,

Unfortunately there is not a Window-Eyes keyboard layout in JAWS.  To help 
people migrate from Window-Eyes to JAWS, there are 8 tutorials that you can 
listen to that talk about changes you may notice.  These tutorials are designed 
for Window-Eyes users switching to JAWS.  You can find the links for the 
tutorials from the following web page:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

Hello List and maybe Doug,


In Window-eyes there was a Jaws keyboard.  Is there a Window-eyes keyboard in 
Jaws?


Are there any tutorials specifically on how to do things I did in 
Window-eyes using Jaws?


I have done some of the on-board Jaws tutorials, but I am having trouble 
figuring out how do to what I used to do with W-e.  for example - using 
the mouse cursor.  Using Jaws I can't seem to move the mouse cursor 
around the screen.  In w-E there was CNTRL-SHIFT-B to change where the 
mouse could go from full screen to focused window to active window.  I 
don't know how to do that in Jaws OR if it would make the mouse cursor 
read more.


I'm asking here instead of a Jaws list as I'm hoping some dual users who 
understand Window-eyes will be able to help me.


Thanks,

brenda



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RE: switch to Jaws

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Brenda,

There are no immediate plans on shutting down this list.  However, I would ask 
members to keep the topics related to VFO products in order to keep the list 
going.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Bryan Peterson via Talk 
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

doug and/or Aaron will this list be maintained?It is still very 
valuable.

I wish you the best going forward.


Brian, If you don't believe Aaron or Doug, give VFO a call and see for 
yourself.  Aaron and Doug would not scam us.


Darrel, times change, and I doubt Doug and Dan and Aaron would have 
merged with AI Squared if they didn't think it would be a good move with 
the screen reader market as it is.  I doubt they knew AI squared would 
merge with VFO.  Nonetheless, this is where we are at, and at least VFO 
is letting us migrate to a usuable screen reader that will be developed.


and List...Window-eyes is still the best screen reader for some 
programs.  I can't seem to access all of Vipre with jaws although with 
Window-eyes I can access Vipre.  And please don't leave this list -there 
are still questions to be helped with and it is good to read everyone's 
posts.


Brenda




On 5/15/2017 11:14 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> I'm not altogether optimistic about the future of Window-Eyes, but at 
> the same time I'm not going to stop using it unless I absolutely have 
> to. As for this supposed offer of free copies of JFW for WE users I'm 
> pretty sure it's a scam. I have a hard time imagining FS giving anyone 
> free copies of JAWS under any circumstances. As for which screen 
> reader I might switch to it probably wouldn't be JAWS, partly because 
> I can't seem to download a demo of the latest version to try before I 
> buy, but also because it's an absolute resource hog. I remember that 
> from the twelve years I used it before switching to WE.
>
>
>
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
> -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:07 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: switch to Jaws
>
> I'm not planning on switching to Jaws any time soon!  We works better
> and takes less overhead!  And, I like the Butch timer app too!
>
>
> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
>
> On 5/14/2017 4:47 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
>> I plan to keep using window-eyes as long as it works.  They're not 
>> going to make it diappear.  If it gets to a point where I must switch 
>> to something else, I'll go with n v d a. I suspect window-eyes will 
>> do much of what I need it to do for some time even if they stop 
>> selling and developping it.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have 
an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be able 
to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a problem, 
just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So how 
do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation code?
Regards
Mark  


Mark Cussons 
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za 
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
> 
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
> 
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> 
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.
> 
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.
> 
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.
> 
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
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> 
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down.  I 
would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and 
if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> >
> >
> > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
> > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended 
> > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States 
> > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We 
> > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product 
> > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue 
> > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased 
> > Window-Eyes or a support package.
> >
> > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use 
> > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> > adequately for your needs.
> >
> > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are 
> > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to 
> > providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes 
> > product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as 
> > follows.
> > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will 
> > be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
> > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue 
> > to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, 
> > if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales 
> > team at 800-444-4443.
> > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> > for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> >
> > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> > simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will 
> > then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request 
> > additional information if necessary.
> >
> > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at
> > 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
> >
> > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office 
> > version is not part of the conversion program.
> >
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a work 
environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs and 
upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro and 
Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. 
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United 
> States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should 
> contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our 
> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance 
> agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users 
> that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
> 
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or 
> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
> your needs.
> 
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® 
> for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a smooth 
> transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software 
> maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will 
> be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue 
> to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you 
> are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 
> 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> 
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web 
> form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with 
> an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if 
> necessary.
> 
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by 
> July 31, 2017.
> 
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not 
> part of the conversion program.
> 
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
> 
> 
> Aaron Smith
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> F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you can 
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need 
to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.  So 
9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. 
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States 
and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their 
local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor 
existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will 
continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased 
Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software 
indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or applications 
change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS(r) 
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth 
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software 
maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an 
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use it. 
While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are interested 
in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end 
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web 
form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an 
authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary.

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by 
July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not 
part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.


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iTunes accessibility

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Hello everyone,

Apple has asked me to post the list of accessibility fixes they put into iTunes 
version 12.5.4.  The current version of iTunes is 12.5.5.  Each release they 
typically fix a few accessibility issues.  The list of fixes to the 12.5.4 
release are:

iTunes 12.5.1 for Windows Fault with column browser
can't interact with each speakers when selected
no longer reads out the name of Airplay speakers
not reading selections from syncing panes
skips Lyrics text area in Up Next and Get Info
Unable to add multiple airplay speakers
Unable to install apps from iTunes > iOS device with iTunes 12.5.1 for Windows
Video listed as static box when played in iTunes Window
Get Info hangs when
does not read out star rating control
does not read volume slider (or any slider) changes
Unable to navigate to check/plus button in Airplay popup
calls out the "+" as "button" instead of "Add to Library button" after 
selecting CMA
calls out "Season" section in TV Shows as "Unknown"
found two hidden items in the LCD labeled as "unknown"
should announce "Pause 'album title' button" when selected album is playing
skips over Artist / Album info in LargeArtwork MP
does not read out the label of the movie ratings (G, PG-13, etc) or the movie 
quality (HD)

I realize this list is cryptic but this does show they are working at it.  If 
you have Window-Eyes or JAWS issues with iTunes, Apple has asked that you write 
up a very detailed description of the problem and email it to:

mailto:accessibil...@apple.com

The more specific you are to your issues the more likely they will be resolved.

Regards,
Doug

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Urgent Notification

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

January 16, 2017:  Urgent Notification

Forthcoming Startup Failures in ZoomText 10.1 and other Ai Squared Software 
Products

Problem

The digital certificate used to certify newer ZoomText and Window-Eyes software 
products has been compromised. As a result, our certificate will be revoked on 
or around January 26th, which will result in startup failures for the following 
Ai Squared products.

Affected Ai Squared Software Products

When attempting to start the following Ai Squared software products, the 
product will fail to launch and display a Windows error message: "A referral 
was returned from the server"

* ZoomText Magnifier v10.1  Build numbers 10.10.8 through 10.11.6
* ZoomText Magnifier/Reader v10.1   Build numbers 10.10.8 through 10.11.6 
* ZoomText Fusion v10.1 Build numbers 10.11.1 through 10.11.5
* ZoomText Keyboard v4  Build numbers 4.0.0 and 4.1.0
* Window-Eyes v9.5  Build numbers 9.5.1 and 9.5.3

When attempting to start the following Ai Squared software products, the 
product may launch even though the certificate has been revoked. Anti-virus 
utilities may detect the invalid certificate and block the software from 
running.  

* ZoomText ImageReader v1.2 Build numbers 1.2.16106
* ZoomText Voices (language packs) v1.0 Build numbers 1.0.1.4693
* Vocalizer Expressive v1.3 (for Windows Eyes)  Build numbers 1.3.0.13329 

Note: Inspection of the certificate will show that the certificate is invalid. 
Inspection and validation of certificates is a process performed by some 
organizations.

Solution (software updates)

For each of the affected products, software updates incorporating a new digital 
signature will be released and available for download prior to January 26th. We 
will send updated information as it becomes available. You can check 
https://www.aisquared.com/certificatefix for updated information.
Software ProductUpdate version
ZoomText Magnifier  v10.1   10.11.7
ZoomText Magnifier/Reader v10.1 10.11.7
ZoomText Fusion v10.1   10.11.7
ZoomText Keyboard v4.1  4.1.1
Window-Eyes v9.59.5.4
ZoomText ImageReader 1.21.3.0
ZoomText Voices v1.01.0.2
Vocalizer Expressive v1.3 (for Windows Eyes)1.3 

Warning When Disabling Security Options

Various websites provide steps for disabling Windows security options with the 
expectation that unsigned software executables will start and run. Disabling 
these security options will not fix these problems for the ZoomText and Windows 
Eyes products and may compromise security and protection from malware. Ai 
Squared strongly recommends against disabling these security options.

Conclusion

We apologize for the inconvenience this issue has caused you, but assure you we 
are doing everything possible to rectify this matter as soon as possible. To 
minimize downtime, we encourage you to update your software as soon as possible.
If you have questions or require assistance resolving this problem, contact the 
Ai Squared support team at (727) 803-8600 option 2 or 
mailto:supp...@aisquared.com.


As some of you may have already noticed, we just released English Window-Eyes 
9.5.4 this morning (January 18th).  Other languages will soon follow.  It is 
very important if you are using Window-Eyes 9.5.1 or 9.5.2 or 9.5.3 that you 
upgrade to 9.5.4 before the digital certificate described above is revoked.

There are 3 changes from version 9.5.3 to 9.5.4:

1)  Support has been added for the HumanWare BrailleNote Touch braille display.
2) An issue where multiple hooking errors would occur in the latest testing 
builds (insider build) of Windows 10 has been fixed.
3) An updated digital certificate has been used to sign all executables. (as 
per the description above)

Again, it is critical you upgrade your copy of Window-Eyes 9.5.1 or 9.5.2 or 
9.5.3 to 9.5.4 immediately.  Once the certificate is revoke these copies of 
Window-Eyes will no longer launch leaving you without speech and/or braille.

Regards,
Doug


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Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Thanks Kevin,

I was thinking it was one of the Alva displays but I wasn't sure and 
even if it was, exactly what model.

Doug

On 10/19/2016 12:39 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> Hi Doug:
>
> I think the braille display that you are talking about is the Alva
> 640.  As far as I recall, the Alva 640 alows for contracted braille
> input.
>
> Kevin Huber
>
>
> On 10/18/16, Doug Geoffray via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> Hello Roger,
>>
>> Wow, it has been a long time.  I was not aware of your health issues but
>> applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do
>> with their odds (smile)!
>>
>> Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input.  This is
>> something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I
>> thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage
>> of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain.
>> Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer,
>> I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with
>> Window-Eyes.  I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core
>> but have never gotten to it.  It is still on the wish list.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug
>>
>> On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote:
>>> Hi Doug,
>>>
>>> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and
>>> Window-eyes 9.53.
>>>
>>> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with
>>> Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of
>>> Window-eyes.
>>>
>>> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a
>>> Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille
>>> input
>>> from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all
>>> computer Braille only.
>>>
>>> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too.
>>>
>>> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display.
>>>
>>> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago?
>>>
>>> Is this something that can be included in  future releases of
>>> Window-eyes?
>>>
>>> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style
>>> keyboard on a Braille display.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your time!
>>>
>>> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1%
>>> diagnoses
>>> that I would live and I beat that!  But now I am fighting cancer of the
>>> Prostate, Dam!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Roger a. Behm, President
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
>>> We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled
>>>
>>> Roger A. Behm, President
>>> 1611 Clover Lane
>>> Janesville WI 53545-1388
>>> Fax: 608-758-7898
>>> Voice: 608-758-0933
>>> Email: aist...@ameritech.net
>>> Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>>>
>>> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>>>
>>> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
>>> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
>>> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
>>> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
>>> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
>>> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
>>> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
>>> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
>>> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times
>>> (smile).
>>>
>>> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
>>> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
>>> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
>>> officially closed November 1989.  I had star

Re: history of window eyes

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Dennis and all,

I've been getting this question a lot lately.  Here is how I've been and 
continue responding until I know more:

We are still early in the merger between Ai Squared and VFO so it is a 
bit early to know how all this will ultimately play out.  But please 
rest assured no matter what happens, we will make sure that Window-Eyes 
users will not be left behind.  As we continue we will certainly make 
clear what our plans are moving forward and how this may or may not 
impact you.  But again, we will not take your years of loyalty for granted.

Regards,
Doug

On 10/18/2016 2:14 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
> Doug is there any word if window Eyes will be staying around?
> - Original Message - From: "Doug Geoffray via Talk" 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 AM
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
>
>> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>>
>> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
>> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
>> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
>> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
>> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
>> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
>> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
>> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
>> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times 
>> (smile).
>>
>> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
>> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
>> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
>> officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
>> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
>> an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
>> hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
>> Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
>> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
>> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
>> it was around 1994 or 95.
>>
>> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
>> October 1995.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
>>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
>>> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
>>> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
>>> sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally. Bill Grimm
>>> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
>>> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
>>> Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen
>>> reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that.
>>> Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
>>> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
>>> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>>>> I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
>>>> of the story.
>>>> In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
>>>> Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers.
>>>> They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS
>>>> called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and
>>>> used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program,
>>>> and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray
>>>> was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the
>>>> Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the
>>>> SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did
>>>> major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
>>>> Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
>>>> new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
>>>> The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
>>>> 

Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Hello Roger,

Wow, it has been a long time.  I was not aware of your health issues but 
applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do 
with their odds (smile)!

Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input.  This is 
something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I 
thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage 
of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain.  
Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, 
I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with 
Window-Eyes.  I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core 
but have never gotten to it.  It is still on the wish list.

Regards,
Doug

On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and
> Window-eyes 9.53.
>
> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with
> Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of
> Window-eyes.
>
> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a
> Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input
> from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all
> computer Braille only.
>
> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too.
>
> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display.
>
> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago?
>
> Is this something that can be included in  future releases of Window-eyes?
>
> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style
> keyboard on a Braille display.
>
> Thank you for your time!
>
> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses
> that I would live and I beat that!  But now I am fighting cancer of the
> Prostate, Dam!
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger a. Behm, President
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> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>
> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).
>
> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
> officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
> an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
> hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
> Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
> it was around 1994 or 95.
>
> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
> October 1995.
>
> Doug
>
> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
>> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
>> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
>> sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm
>> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
>> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
>> Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey 

Re: history of window eyes

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).

Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked 
with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but 
Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with 
Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as 
Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and 
File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and 
several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding 
Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk 
portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).

In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely 
different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when 
Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which 
officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids 
in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as 
an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the 
hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW 
Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing 
Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did 
die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but 
it was around 1994 or 95.

We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in 
October 1995.

Doug

On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near 
> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader 
> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally 
> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially 
> sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm 
> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when 
> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen 
> Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen 
> reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that. 
> Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by 
> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you 
> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>
> Dave
>
> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>> I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little 
>> of the story.
>> In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids 
>> Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers. 
>> They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS 
>> called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and 
>> used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program, 
>> and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray 
>> was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the 
>> Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the 
>> SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did 
>> major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
>> Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the 
>> new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
>> The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the 
>> summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and 
>> JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995. 
>> It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already 
>> out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first. 
>> Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to support Windows 95, and 
>> came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
>> The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, going 
>> way back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.
>>
>>
>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>> -Original Message- From: Drew Clark via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: history of window eyes
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it
>> and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
>> interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
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Re: Window-Eyes and fractions

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Sky,

Sure, just bring up the WE control panel and open up the screen node.  
Get to punctuation and change the Miscellaneous setting from off to on.  
It will magically start speaking when the line is voiced.

Doug

On 7/21/2016 12:22 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Hi list. Sky here. Yesterday, I was teaching a client of mine how to use
> Zoomtext Fusion, the product which bundles Window-Eyes in a single package
> with Zoomtext.  However, While we were teaching this client how to use MS
> word 2007 with Fusion, We ran into a problem. When navigating around the
> document with fractions, Window-Eyes would not say ¼ when reading line by
> line, but it would say ¼ when reading word by word, or letter by letter. Is
> their a way we can set Fusion and Window-Eyes up so that it will read
> fractions? Thanks, Sky.
>
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VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell 
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific 
and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad 
thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great 
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There 
are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to 
everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this 
point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to 
take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them 
together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or 
so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this 
point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.  
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed 
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the 
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about 
it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.  
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate. 
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a 
certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely 
different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different 
CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great 
leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and 
available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to 
have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision 
and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and 
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is 
still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we 
have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all 
they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, 
this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there 
will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into 
this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
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Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Dave,

As per my previous email where I said exactly what I set it to, you want 
to set it to "Character Before", not "Prior Character After" as you just 
stated you are doing.  This means before handing the right arrow to the 
underlying application, first read the current Character.  Then allow 
the right arrow to go through to actually move to the character to the 
right.  Bottom line, this speaks the character you left, not the 
character you are moving to.  So please change the right arrow to 
"Character Before" as I believe this will resolve your problem.

I didn't verify but I do seem to remember that Prior character after 
isn't fully implemented with some applications.  But that doesn't matter 
in your case as Character Before gives you the same thing but works.

Doug

On 3/9/2016 9:12 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
> I didn't add a new key, I just changed the existing right arrow 
> definition  to read prior character after the right arrow command was 
> executed.  At least I think that's what I was doing as the labels on 
> the various definitions have been changed somewhat.
>
> At 03:47 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote:
>> does it do this with every program you run?
>> i duplicated the problem. but this only applies to the program you 
>> are running.
>> go to the cursor/keys to the left arrow. now click on show program. 
>> then  go back to the list of keys. if the left arrow key is there and 
>> defined undefine it.
>> when i did add the left arrow to the list and set it to character 
>> before and saved the set file it did exactly what you get. even 
>> though if you go back to the left arrow in the global menu list it 
>> will still show it is set to character after. the keys in the program 
>> list will over write what it says it is set to in the global menu.
>> but this would only apply to the program you are running.
>> so i would check each program that is affected and check the 
>> programmed keys list.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 2:01 PM
>> To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>>
>> Myh right arrow is set to character after and has been since the
>> invention of mud.
>>
>> Chris Grabowski via Talk  wrote:
>>
>>> Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same 
>>> result as Steve.
>>> The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>>  On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
>>> To: 'Dave Basden' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>>> 
>>> Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW 
>>> spoke the
>>> character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
>>> Which application are you using when you try this?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>>>
>>> Hi GW Staff and List
>>>
>>> I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
>>> since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
>>> Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
>>> before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
>>> various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
>>> "execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
>>> left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
>>> return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
>>> redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
>>> landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
>>> programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
>>> with version 9.
>>>
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>>>
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Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Dave,

I am also not having a problem.  Setting the right arrow to "character 
before" causes it to speak the character left instead of the character 
going to.  Also, I went back in and had no problem changing my right 
arrow back to "character after" which is our default.  Meaning I did not 
have to reload the factory sets.  So Dave, I didn't have to go back to 
8, my 9.4 works fine (smile). Either I'm not understanding the problem, 
or steps are being left out or maybe you are not setting up the keys 
properly.

Regards,
Doug

On 3/9/2016 3:10 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
> Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same result as 
> Steve.
> The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
> Chris
>
> Chris
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
> To: 'Dave Basden' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> 
> Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>
> Dave,
>
> I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
> character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
> Which application are you using when you try this?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>
> Hi GW Staff and List  
>
> I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
> since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
> Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
> before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
> various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
> "execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
> left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
> return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
> redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
> landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
> programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
> with version 9.
>
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>
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Re: set files gone

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Microsoft no longer supports Office 2003 and just like we dropped 
Windows XP support when Microsoft dropped support for that, we have 
dropped 2003 support.  This is a product over 12 years old.  We can't 
maintain testing for such an outdated application.

Doug

On 12/17/2015 6:36 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> The set files for Office 2003 have been removed.  Have to ask WHY.
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Fwd: Re: 64 bit speech synthesizers.

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Curtis,

Could it be because you aren't looking in the correct place in Window-Eyes?  On 
my Windows 10 there are 2 SAPI 5 voices which I do see under Window-Eyes when I 
select SAPI.  So exactly, please be specific, which voices are you saying 
Windows 10 shows but Window-Eyes doesn't?  For me, everything 10 shows me, 
Window-Eyes does as well assuming you select the correct synth type within 
Window-Eyes.

Doug

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: 64 bit speech synthesizers.
Date:   Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:46:16 -0700
From:   Curtis Delzer via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.commailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Reply-To:   Curtis Delzer 
curtis1...@verizon.netmailto:curtis1...@verizon.net, Window-Eyes Discussion 
List talk@lists.window-eyes.commailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: Steve Clower sclo...@aisquared.commailto:sclo...@aisquared.com, 
Window-Eyes Discussion List 
talk@lists.window-eyes.commailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com



It is an issue Steve, since none of these synthesizers shows up in
window-eyes, but do in windows 10 control panel.
--
Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.netmailto:curtis1...@verizon.net

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:45:33 +
Steve Clower via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.commailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 Right. As long as we're talking about software speech, and the interface 
 conforms to the SAPI spec, then it doesn't matter how the synthesizer works 
 internally. So again, examples of 64-bit SAPI voices which don't work with 
 Window-Eyes when their 32-bit counterparts do are welcome, otherwise I'll 
 consider this a non-issue.

 Thanks,
 Steve



 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Grabowski
 Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:39 AM
 To: Steve Clower sclo...@aisquared.commailto:sclo...@aisquared.com; 
 Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.commailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: RE: 64 bit speech synthesizers.

 Ivona, Cepstral and cereproc all have 64 bit voices and they work with the 
 SAPI driver.
 Chris


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Clower via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:18 AM
 To: Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.netmailto:curtis1...@verizon.net; 
 Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.commailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: Re: 64 bit speech synthesizers.

 Curtis,

 The only 64-bit synthesizer I know of in popular use is the iOS edition of 
 the Appletalk Alex voice. Point us to synthesizers that are 64-bit and which 
 don't work with WE, and we can investigate.


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  On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:49 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk 
  talk@lists.window-eyes.commailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 
  More and more, 64 bit synthesizers are becoming available. When will
  Window-Eyes support them?
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Re: previous link

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Brice,

This is a function of the browser.  No matter how you get to a page, 
Window-Eyes will start at the focused element.  Most times when you hit 
enter on a link and then go back to the page with that link the browser 
will focus the link...sighted people want this as well. But, I've seen 
IE get into a state where it won't focus the previous link.  Even 
without Window-Eyes I've seen this.  I was never able to figure out what 
specific setting was causing IE to stop doing this...or maybe there was 
some sort of corruption.  But I believe I fixed it by going to IE's 
Internet Options dialog, selecting the Advanced tab, tabbing to the 
Reset button and resetting all of IE's defaults.  Once I did this and 
restarted IE, it started focusing the link when I went back...both with 
and without Window-Eyes.  So I would give that a try.

Doug

On 8/5/2015 1:39 PM, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
 Okay, I must have confused some of you. I have no problem going to the 
 previous page. The problem is, once back on the previous page, I don't 
 land on the link that I last click on! I'm placed back at the top of 
 the page, have to hit tab key until I hear a click, then I have to hit 
 H or L until I get back to the link I had click on. This has been 
 going on for the last 2 major upgrades. My personal opinion is web 
 access and functionality has digressed. I'd like to know how you all 
 get beyond that last link instead of going through links you've 
 already passed over?
 - Original Message - From: via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 8:59 AM
 Subject: RE: previous link


 Bey, Bryce.

 I found out accidentally that the backspace key will also take you to 
 the
 previous page. Try that, and, try using the WE redraw hot key, and, 
 the F5
 refresh key. Sometimes I have to resort to opening the history dialog 
 and
 finding my way back that way.

 hth,
 Lou N.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Brice Mijares via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 8:22 AM
 To: talk window eyes
 Subject: previous link

 When hitting enter on a link and going to that page,how do you get 
 back to
 the previous link? Hitting alt left arrow hasn't work the way it use 
 to for
 a long time. I had a work around by copying the link to the clipboard 
 then
 hit enter on the link. When I wanted to go back to the previous link, 
 I'd
 hit alt left arrow, once I was back at the previous page, I'd hit shift
 control F and paste the link from the  clipboard and hit enter and 
 I'd be
 back at the previous link. This hasn't worked in the last 2 versions of
 wineyes. Using current version of FX and wineyes. Vista home.

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Re: downloading windows 10

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Tom,

Window-Eyes will work well enough to get you to the 9.2 upgrade. 
Window-Eyes is using the off screen model less and less as time goes 
on.  But just go to the WE help menu and check for updates and run the 
9.2 installer from there.  Pretty simple...

Doug

On 7/31/2015 3:19 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
 Just so I understand this completely, I know when you upgrade from 
 Windows 7 to Windows 10, Window-Eyes 9.2 must be reinstalled. To do 
 this, you would probably need to use Narrator to find your WE 9.2 
 installation file. I assume It would be where it was when you were in 
 Windows 7. . Alternatively, does Window-Eyes work well enough so you 
 could get the update from the Window-Eyes Control Panel and turn 
 Narrator off before you update this way?..

 -Original Message- From: Steve Clower via Talk
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 11:58 AM
 To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Christopher-Mark 
 Gilland
 Subject: RE: downloading windows 10

 Pam,

 That is correct. If you have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed prior to 
 running the Windows 10 upgrade, then Window-Eyes will be available 
 once the upgrade completes. If you are updating from Windows 7 you 
 will need to re-apply the 9.2 upgrade after Windows 10 is installed so 
 that the correct video driver is copied over. If using Windows 8 or 
 newer then there isn't anything else you need to do.

 I hope this helps.
 Steve


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
 Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 12:53 PM
 To: Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes 
 Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

 I think they said they are rolling it out little by little.  Now, I'd 
 like to clarify something.  Several days ago, people at AI squared 
 said you can start the upgrade to windows ten with window eyes 
 running.  Then, there will be two things that won't speak, then window 
 eyes will speak again.  This doesn't sound like you have to uninstall 
 window eyes at all.  So please, straighten us out on this.  Pam.

 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:55 AM
 To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

 So, how do you go about starting the update?  I haven't got an e-mail 
 stating it's ready for me to install, and yes, I did reserve a copy 
 back in the days.

 The icon says I'll be notified, in the system tray, but I see links 
 like get started, let's go, reboot now, continue, etc.

 Is it just that they are rolling it out little by little, or by now, 
 should I have access to it?

 If so, then someone needs to give me the exact steps to start it 
 installing.
 I know the whole thing about removing W E first, etc.  That's no 
 issue.  I have NVDA as a backup, as well as jaws, so it's not the end 
 of the world for me.  Plus, there's always Narrator, so I'm not in a 
 pickle.

 I'm quite savvy with my technology, so if you can just give me the 
 steps, I know beyond a doubt I can figure it out.

 Chris.

 - Original Message -
 From: Curtis Delzer via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:12 AM
 Subject: downloading windows 10


 At 12:01 local Pacific time I began the update to Windows 10.

 Easy, peezy.
 -- 
 Curtis Delzer curtis1...@verizon.net

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Re: installing Windows 10

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Richard,

As mentioned, there are a couple screens that come up that do not have 
Window-Eyes running.  These couple screens will require you to run 
Narrator.  But all other places the upgrade process will allow 
Window-Eyes to run and be used.

Doug

On 7/27/2015 12:57 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) wrote:
 So if I understand right when I put 9.2 on my windows 8.1 machine I can 
 install windows 10 using windoweyes and it will talk or do I have to use 
 narrator?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
 Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:39 PM
 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: Re: installing Windows 10

 Don,

 There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes.
 Let me address each.

 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed

 You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer.  Windows 10 will block
 the installation of any version less than 9.2.

 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system

 Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this
 point.  Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself
 is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you
 with the Windows 10 installation.  Windows Narrator can be launched with
 Windows-Enter.

 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10

 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before
 the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue.  I have not seen the
 final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday
 so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds
 I've been testing I've seen the following.  I had Windows 9.2 installed
 and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10
 upgrade.  Everything was working well and speaking perfectly.  However,
 there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes
 unloaded and require you to launch Narrator.  After those two screens
 the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be
 working under Windows 10.

 However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes
 accessibility driver.  The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver
 which Window-Eyes has.  But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not
 support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the
 driver causing there to be no off screen model.  In most cases you don't
 even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve
 this.  The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes
 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10.  So after Window 10 has been
 installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it.  This
 will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a
 full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10.

 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10

 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before
 the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue.  Like Windows 7 there
 are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you
 will need Narrator.  After that Window-Eyes will come up and your
 Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2.  There is
 nothing extra you need to do.  Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an
 accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the
 upgrade.

 Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to
 Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting:

 http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/

 Regards,
 Doug

 On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:
 When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted
 help?  Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10?
 Thanks
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Re: Window-eyes 9.2 under Windows 10 Insider Preview

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Bob,

Glad to hear you are enjoying the responsiveness.  As for Edge, 
Microsoft just dropped the ball on this regarding accessibility.  No 
screen reader supports Edge at this time.  I have full confidence this 
will ultimately get resolved but until then, Internet Explorer or 
Firefox or Chrome can be used.

Rob Sinclair (Microsoft's chief accessibility officer) put out the 
following blog you may find interesting:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/accessibility/archive/2015/07/03/windows-10-upgrade-considerations-for-screen-reader-and-magnifier-users.aspx

Doug

On 7/27/2015 10:59 AM, bob jutzi via Talk wrote:
 It's been a while since I've used Window-eyes and so far, I am beyond 
 impressed.  The responsiveness is snappy whether using IE, 
 Thunderbird, or Outlook 365.
 Any idea as to why Edge wasn't accessible from the getgo?

 Bob

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Re: installing Windows 10

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Don,

There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes.  
Let me address each.

1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed

You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer.  Windows 10 will block 
the installation of any version less than 9.2.

2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system

Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this 
point.  Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself 
is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you 
with the Windows 10 installation.  Windows Narrator can be launched with 
Windows-Enter.

3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10

You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before 
the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue.  I have not seen the 
final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday 
so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds 
I've been testing I've seen the following.  I had Windows 9.2 installed 
and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10 
upgrade.  Everything was working well and speaking perfectly.  However, 
there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes 
unloaded and require you to launch Narrator.  After those two screens 
the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be 
working under Windows 10.

However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes 
accessibility driver.  The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver 
which Window-Eyes has.  But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not 
support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the 
driver causing there to be no off screen model.  In most cases you don't 
even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve 
this.  The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes 
9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10.  So after Window 10 has been 
installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it.  This 
will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a 
full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10.

4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10

You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before 
the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue.  Like Windows 7 there 
are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you 
will need Narrator.  After that Window-Eyes will come up and your 
Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2.  There is 
nothing extra you need to do.  Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an 
accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the 
upgrade.

Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to 
Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting:

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/

Regards,
Doug

On 7/27/2015 10:44 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:
 When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted 
 help?  Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10?
 Thanks
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Re: installing Windows 10

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Kevin,

Oh, there is no problem at all if you just stay with Windows 7.  The 
upgrade always contains the mirror driver when being installed under 
Windows Vista and Windows 7 and the accessibility driver when being 
installed under Windows 8.x and Windows 10.  It just figures out your 
environment and installs the correct one.  The issue is only when you 
upgrade from Windows 7 to 10 because the driver itself never got 
switched from mirror to accessibility.  But since all Window-Eyes 
upgrade installers have everything, this is why I suggested just running 
it after going to 10 as it will realize you are in 10 and install the 
accessibility driver.

Doug

On 7/27/2015 4:02 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
 Hi Doug:

 Thanks for pointing out the problem with the mirror drivers in Windows 7.
 Now suppose I have Windows 7 and want to stay with it, but I have
 downloaded Windows 9.2.
 How will the lack of a mirror driver affect me?  Will there be any
 applications which will become unusable for me?
 Kevin Huber


 On 7/27/15, Doug Geoffray via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 Don,

 There are four scenarios when it comes to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes.
 Let me address each.

 1) You get a new computer and it already has Windows 10 installed

 You must have the full Window-Eyes 9.2 installer.  Windows 10 will block
 the installation of any version less than 9.2.

 2) You manually install Windows 10 on a system

 Windows 10 is no different than any other operating system at this
 point.  Window-Eyes itself can not be installed until Windows 10 itself
 is fully installed so you would need to use Windows Narrator to help you
 with the Windows 10 installation.  Windows Narrator can be launched with
 Windows-Enter.

 3) You are upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10

 You must have Window-Eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 7 system before
 the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue.  I have not seen the
 final Windows 10 upgrade which will start being pushed out on Wednesday
 so I can't say specifically what will happen but on the internal builds
 I've been testing I've seen the following.  I had Windows 9.2 installed
 and running on my Windows 7 system when I started the Windows 10
 upgrade.  Everything was working well and speaking perfectly.  However,
 there are eventually two back to back screens which have Window-Eyes
 unloaded and require you to launch Narrator.  After those two screens
 the upgrade will continue and Window-Eyes will eventually launch and be
 working under Windows 10.

 However, under Windows 7 only there is a problem with the Window-Eyes
 accessibility driver.  The issue is Windows 7 requires a mirror driver
 which Window-Eyes has.  But after the upgrade, Windows 10 does not
 support mirror drivers so it blocks them leaving Window-Eyes without the
 driver causing there to be no off screen model.  In most cases you don't
 even need an off screen model but it is still important to resolve
 this.  The easiest way to resolve this is to simply run your Window-Eyes
 9.2 upgrade on itself under Windows 10.  So after Window 10 has been
 installed just download your Window-Eyes 9.2 upgrade and run it.  This
 will install the necessary accessibility driver causing you to have a
 full 9.2 working copy under Windows 10.

 4) You are upgrading from Windows 8.x to Windows 10

 You must have Window-eyes 9.2 installed on your Windows 8 system before
 the Windows 10 upgrade will allow you to continue.  Like Windows 7 there
 are a couple screens that come up without Window-Eyes running so you
 will need Narrator.  After that Window-Eyes will come up and your
 Windows 10 will be running perfectly with Window-Eyes 9.2.  There is
 nothing extra you need to do.  Windows 8 and Windows 10 both use an
 accessibility driver, not a mirror driver, so life is good after the
 upgrade.

 Regarding how Microsoft is going to upgrading a billion devices to
 Windows 10, there is an interesting blog post you may find interesting:

 http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/07/02/windows-10-preparing-to-upgrade-one-billion-devices/

 Regards,
 Doug

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 When Windows 10 becomes available can it be installed without sighted
 help?  Will WE 9.2 have to be reinstalled after installing Win 10?
 Thanks
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Re: Wikipedia

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Nick,

The URL you gave below appears to be in Russian.  I'm not sure if it is 
Russian but it certainly is not English.  Window-Eyes is sending the 
text to your English synthesizer but it doesn't know how to speak it so 
it simply ignores it.  So I do not consider this a Window-Eyes issue.  
If you are interested in supporting pages with this language you would 
need to get the appropriate synthesizer.

Doug

On 6/2/2015 2:52 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
 Not sure if this is a WE problem, a Wikipedia problem, or neither, but when I 
 go to http://www.wikipedia.org and search for, in this case, “list of the 
 mary tyler moore show episodes,” I don’t get the layout I’m suppose to get.  
 In fact, there’s no article for me to read, only a bunch of links and 
 buttons, most of which are not read by WE (other than to say link).  However, 
 if I go to Google first, and type in Wikipedia plus what I wrote before, it 
 will take me to the Wikipedia page I want,and it’ll be the way I want it to 
 be.  Anyone else experience this?

 http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=list+of+the+mary+tyler+moore+show+episodesgo=Go
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Re: Wikipedia

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Nick,

yes, somehow you got redirected.  But if you take that same URL you 
provided but replace the bg. part with en. it goes right where you 
want.  meaning go with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Mary_Tyler_Moore_Show_episodes

Doug

On 6/2/2015 1:23 PM, Nick Sarames wrote:
 Interesting Doug, thanks.  Somehow, I am being redirected there I guess.

 -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 12:48 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Wikipedia

 Nick,

 The URL you gave below appears to be in Russian.  I'm not sure if it is
 Russian but it certainly is not English.  Window-Eyes is sending the
 text to your English synthesizer but it doesn't know how to speak it so
 it simply ignores it.  So I do not consider this a Window-Eyes issue.
 If you are interested in supporting pages with this language you would
 need to get the appropriate synthesizer.

 Doug

 On 6/2/2015 2:52 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
 Not sure if this is a WE problem, a Wikipedia problem, or neither, 
 but when I go to http://www.wikipedia.org and search for, in this 
 case, “list of the mary tyler moore show episodes,” I don’t get the 
 layout I’m suppose to get.  In fact, there’s no article for me to 
 read, only a bunch of links and buttons, most of which are not read 
 by WE (other than to say link). However, if I go to Google first, and 
 type in Wikipedia plus what I wrote before, it will take me to the 
 Wikipedia page I want,and it’ll be the way I want it to be.  Anyone 
 else experience this?

 http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=list+of+the+mary+tyler+moore+show+episodesgo=Go
  

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Re: keyboard interuptability turns itself off.

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

I'm not following how you believe this problem is related to a memory 
leak.  My guess is you have some app which is temporarily turning off 
the keyboard voice for whatever reason and isn't always restoring it in 
all cases.

If you can duplicate this somewhat on demand I suggest running with all 
apps off for a bit and see if the problem goes away.

Doug

On 3/9/2015 2:30 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
 i have had this problem too. this is some kind of memory leak.
 what i am talking about is keyboard interuptibility which i have 
 turned on to all keys. turns itself off. when the keys stop stopping 
 speech i can go to the keyboard and interuptibility and it will be 
 turned off. once i turn it back to all keys speech can be stopped. but 
 it is faster to just reload w e and everything goes back to normal 
 until the next time.

 -Original Message- From: Bud Schwab via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 8:56 PM
 To: windoweyes
 Subject: Re: keyboard interuptability turns itself off.

 I've had similar problems with windoweyes just starting to talk every
 few minutes.  It usually is reading the last email or something else
 and then stops and does it again every few minutes.  I am still
 running windows 7 64 bit and wineyes 9.1 .

 Wonder if anybody has figured out a simple solution.

 Bud



 At 06:10 PM 3/8/2015, you wrote:
 have you had problems with w e 9.1, not being able to stop it from 
 talking about every 5 minutes with windows 8.1?
 i have had this happen before with w e 8.0 to 4 but it did not happen 
 very often.
 i habve told gw and now i squared about this twice before and got no 
 responce.
 when it does this, what is happening is keyboard interuptability 
 turns itself off without makeing any set file changes. i can reload w 
 e 9.1 and interuptability is back on again.
 i have been able to get to the keyboard menu to varify this. once i 
 turn it back on everything returns to normal.
 but now it turns itself off when a web page says i need the flash 
 player for the content on the page and i have to reload w e 9.1 every 
 time.
 i did not download the flash player. this might of been a bogus 
 malware notice. i already have the flash player installed.
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Re: app web site down?

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Don,

I tried the GW toolkit and it downloaded fine.  I launched IE and went 
to appcentral, searched for the toolkit and clicked the download now 
link. But I have not details from you so I can't test what you did.

Doug


On 3/7/2015 12:34 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
 Just tried to download a app from app central and it said it wasn't 
 available.  Anyone else see this issue today?
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Re: Grate Job AI Squared!!!

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Dennis,

We are continuing to work with Google as most of the Chrome issues we 
know about need to be resolved on the Chrome side itself.  We have great 
communication with Google and they are very eager to resolve the 
issues.  So this is certainly a work in progress.  The issues that we 
have found and reported are not unique to Window-Eyes.

Doug


On 3/6/2015 4:18 AM, Dennis via Talk wrote:
 Hi, I just wanted to thank the AI Squared staff for a grate job. I 
 would love to see continued Chrome Support and that Thunder Bird Bug I 
 reported fixed.  That being said this is by far one of the best 
 versions you have created Chrome support just gives us another option 
 for browsing the web which is absolutely fantastic!!  Thanks for all 
 you do.
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Re: Copy text with formatting disabled in firefox

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Sky,

Firefox and Chrome do not export the functionality to allow us to copy 
formatting without creating some sort of add-in which has other issues.  
IE allows us to do it without all that.

Doug

On 3/6/2015 11:54 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
 Hello list, this is Sky. I just got the Window-Eyes 9.1 upgrade and I love
 it a lot. In recent days I have had to switch to firefox as whenever I go to
 internet explorer on google I get a certificate error dialog, with a yes/no
 response. This started happening a few days ago. Anyways, when using
 firefox, and I hit f8 to select the text, and f8 to select at the end, I get
 a copy dialog, but no copy with formatting. How come there is a copy with
 formatting with IE, but not in firefox? I'm just curious. Thanks, Sky.

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Re: New Features for Thunderbird in WE 9.1

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Margaret,

There are several Thunderbird fixes as well.  The entire 9.1 readme file 
can be found at:

http://www.gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/Version_History/index.php?details=9.1.0.0

In fact, you can go to:

http://www.gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/Version_History/

for a list of all readme files starting with Window-Eyes 1.0 (smile).

Doug


On 3/5/2015 12:39 PM, Margaret Thomas via Talk wrote:
 Good Morning:

 I noticed new features/bug fixes for Outlook and WLM in the 
 announcement that WE 9.1 is available, but didn't see anything about 
 Thunderbird and the link for latest features at
 www.gwmicro.com/upgrade

 only seems to go up to 9.0.  Is there some place to see if there is 
 anything new in 9.1 for Thunderbird without having to download the 
 upgrade?

 Thank you,

 Margaret
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