Re: [Talk-ko] Help identifying map

2014-10-05 Thread Max
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paul, this is my first post here. I'm new to Korea but not so new to OSM. I stumbled across your post. In case you haven't identified that screenshot of Seoul yet: it is VWORLD. That is the official governmental map provider in South Korea.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM wins Good Design Award 2014 in Japan

2014-10-05 Thread Hiroshi Miura
Hi Simon, The award is not only for Japanese community. (http://www.g-mark.org/award/describe/41828) Award description said: As Designer: OpenStreetMap Contributors Every contributors are evaluated as Designer! Congrat everyone! :-) Hiroshi On 2014年10月04日 16:58, Simon Poole wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Retired Challenges + Thanks!

2014-10-05 Thread Kay Drangmeister
I just retired 'Ways Needing Smoothing' and 'Crossing Ways' I particularly enjoyed the first one as it got me to discover and map away for minutes to hours. Thanks for that, Martijn et al. Kay ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Johan C
Hi Florian I invite you to make comments on the OpenStreetMap forum ( http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=12) because there's more Dutch mappers active there. Awaiting your input there, I'll already do a short reply to you, or a couple of years i have been to Zeeland in Autumn and as

[OSM-talk-nl] Pijpleidingen

2014-10-05 Thread Pander
Hoi allemaal, Waar kan ik op OSM of andere plaatsen pijpleidingen vinden die in de driehoek Houten-Lunetten-Bunnik lopen? Dank, Pander ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Pijpleidingen

2014-10-05 Thread Martien Scheepens
Hallo Pander, Op de risicokaart van de overheid staan grote buizenleidingen: [1]http://nederland.risicokaart.nl/?ext=132613,446676,147776,45 5506thema=default. Ik weet toevallig ook dat de Gasunie een bodeminformatiekaart beheerd, maar ik weet niet of deze voor particulieren toegankelijk is.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Johan C
Anyway this is not doing anything positive for my feelings on imports. In terms of having data for a routing engine (like OsmAnd) a definition can be that any missing address in a country is an error. The number of missing addresses in the Netherlands is calculated recently: on a total of approx.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Marc Gemis
You'll beat us on numbers, that's true. Maybe the problem that I see is not so much the imports, but the maintenance of all that data (imported or manually added). Who is going to see all those mistakes, changes, etc. when all the data is there ? The one that I saw was a building in a forest.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2014-10-05 20:58, Marc Gemis wrote: You'll beat us on numbers, that's true. Maybe the problem that I see is not so much the imports, but the maintenance of all that data (imported or manually added). Who is going to see all those mistakes, changes, etc. when all the data is there ? The one

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Marc Gemis
For maintenance, the way we do it now doesn't work IMHO. At least not with only a handful of (40-50) mappers in both Belgium and The Netherlands. We can't keep up with the changes. IMHO The amount of work to add new data is approx. the same as verifying and keeping it up to date. I wonder how

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi Johan, On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 04:49:15PM +0200, Johan C wrote: Hi Florian I invite you to make comments on the OpenStreetMap forum ( http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=12) because there's more Dutch mappers active there. Awaiting your input there, I'll already do a short

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 07:49:52PM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: The BAG should contain the correct building outline, since this is Cadastral information, nowadays updated very often. But as any database, the BAG might

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 09:39:31PM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: For maintenance, the way we do it now doesn't work IMHO. At least not with only a handful of (40-50) mappers in both Belgium and The Netherlands. We can't keep up with the changes. IMHO The amount of work to add new data is approx.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Johan C
Marc, I agree with Maarten. Let's hope that our address data helps users appreciate OSM apps more. And that these apps are smart enough to draw more users into mapping. You have a good point on maintenance versus the number of mappers. On the BAG data it's luckily quite simple: thousands of paid

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Frank Steggink
Hi Florian, The quality issues you mentioned about the imported data is due to the rules by which the government has collected this data. For example: the tiny forests from the 3dShapes import (not the AND import) also appear on the topographical maps. I've examined way 74390172 as an

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 10:36:23PM +0200, Johan C wrote: Hey Florian That's a building which will be opened this December: http://dagvandebouw.nl/waar/zeeland/nieuwbouw-42-zorgappartementen-svrz-middelburg/ The BAG uses various statuses: the building will be measured after it's finished,

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Johan C
Hi Florian 2014-10-05 22:43 GMT+02:00 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 10:36:23PM +0200, Johan C wrote: Hey Florian That's a building which will be opened this December: http://dagvandebouw.nl/waar/zeeland/nieuwbouw-42-zorgappartementen-svrz-middelburg/ The BAG

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Johan C
Florian, I missed a question: 2014-10-05 22:43 GMT+02:00 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 10:36:23PM +0200, Johan C wrote: Hey Florian That's a building which will be opened this December:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Marc Gemis
After 3.5 years and 34.000 addresses, I have to admit that an import is the only way to get addresses in OSM fast. But is the conclusion that we have to make that a crowed-sourced model for map making failed ? That we have to move to an import of third-party databases model ? One were the source

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org wrote: Regarding the highway = unclassified tag from the AND import: this was before my time, but I believe it was caused by a lack of granularity of the highway types in the original data. No, the issue was an incorrect

[OSM-talk-ie] HOTOSM #MapLesotho Rural Task ~47% done. Need help to reach 50%.

2014-10-05 Thread Colin Broderick
Howdy Folks - We are looking for a bit of support this weekend for MapLesotho. Currently we have 46% of the rural mapping task completed. Just wondering if anyone is free this weekend to give us a dig out? Given the recent political situation in Lesotho and the announcement of early elections

Re: [Talk-de] Vertrauen in OSM-Wochennotiz

2014-10-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 06:34:38AM +0200, Bernd Wurst wrote: Wer heute noch für öffentlich abrufbare Seiten selbstsignierte Zertifikate einsetzt handelt grob fahrlässig, da man die Nutzer so effektiv gegen Warnungen abstumpft. Bei der anzahl der geownten CAs und der kaputten Prozesse der CAs

Re: [Talk-de] Vertrauen in OSM-Wochennotiz

2014-10-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 05:41:06PM +0200, Markus wrote: Uff - da habe ich ja ein grösseres Fass aufgemacht... Wieso will man die Wochennotitz überhaubt verschlüsseln? Je Klartext desto lesbar :-) Je mehr verschlüsselt desto mehr schwimmen die Schlapphüte rum. Am liebsten HTTP zugunsten

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenität (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 08:51:07PM +0200, Stefan Keller wrote: Ok. Aber Tatsache ist m.E., dass es Verbesserungspotential gibt. Und wie es scheint, geht es nicht nur um Neulinge. Auch gestandene Mapper können übersehen, dass es geläufigere und aktuellere Tagging-Schemen gibt. Wenn dem so

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenität (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Stefan Keller
Am 5. Oktober 2014 11:41 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: Das Problem ist das das Wiki leider eine menge Müll enthält. Aus der Natur der Sache kopiert da jeder zeugs hin und her und ändert das . ... Dazu kommen noch jede menge semantische änderungen die alleine durch die Übersetzungen

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenität (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Stefan Keller
Am 5. Oktober 2014 14:05 schrieb ich: Falls ja, dann müsste man wohl an Aktionen wie Wiki-Übersetzungs-Verbesserung und Wiki-Aufräumen denken? Es müsste ja nicht gleich das Ganze Wiki sein, sondern nur Vorschlag 3. ... und man könnte vermehrt Deprecated und Siehe... einfügen. LG, S. Am 5.

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenit ät (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Holger Jeromin
Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com Wrote in message: Am 5. Oktober 2014 14:05 schrieb ich: Falls ja, dann müsste man wohl an Aktionen wie Wiki-Übersetzungs-Verbesserung und Wiki-Aufräumen denken? Es müsste ja nicht gleich das Ganze Wiki sein, sondern nur Vorschlag 3. ... und man könnte

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenit ät (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Stefan Keller
Hallo Holger Am 5. Oktober 2014 19:45 schriebst du: ... Und alternative Bezeichnungen (Dom, Kirche, Kapelle, Gebethaus,...) in allen Sprachen pflegen, damit die Suche immer/häufig trifft. Also händisch alle Seiten angucken und alle Synonyme die einem einfallen (und zum Tag passen)

Re: [Talk-de] Vertrauen in OSM-Wochennotiz

2014-10-05 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Dass auf die Frage warum passt das SSL-Zertifikat bei den Wochennotzizen nicht die Antwort zu bekommen das ganze CA-System ist sowieso broken by design und ausserdem zu teuer und man könne ja eine Ausnahmeregel setzen: Das kommt mir so vor als ob der Restaurantgast der ein kaltes, versalzenes

Re: [Talk-de] Vertrauen in OSM-Wochennotiz

2014-10-05 Thread Hakuch
nein, find ich nicht, denn warum dieser CA-Mafia unnötig Geld in den Rachen schmeissen? Ok, ja es gibt noch kostenlose aber auch umständliche Möglichkeiten die evtl. auch einen Warndialog erzeugen. Statt *Entweder richtig machen oder sein lassen!* würd ich eher sagen *hauptsache verschlüsselt*

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenität (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Hakuch
Und da ja auch niemand sagt Die Englische version der Seite ist die führende ist am Ende das Wiki ein Oktopus mit 250 Armen. eigentlich wird das schon gesagt, wo genau find ich allerdings auch nicht auf die schnelle :) On 05.10.2014 11:41, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenität (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Hakuch
On 05.10.2014 18:54, Stefan Keller wrote: Am 5. Oktober 2014 14:05 schrieb ich: Falls ja, dann müsste man wohl an Aktionen wie Wiki-Übersetzungs-Verbesserung und Wiki-Aufräumen denken? Es müsste ja nicht gleich das Ganze Wiki sein, sondern nur Vorschlag 3. ... und man könnte vermehrt

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenität (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Stefan Keller
Am 5. Oktober 2014 21:22 schrieb Hakuch hak...@posteo.de: ich bin auch sehr dafür deprecated öfter und deutlicher einzusetzen, ich weiß garnicht ob es da schon eine entsprechende Formatvorlage für gibt? Es gibt diese englische Wiki-Seite: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Deprecated_features

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenität (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 02:05:35PM +0200, Stefan Keller wrote: Am 5. Oktober 2014 11:41 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: Das Problem ist das das Wiki leider eine menge Müll enthält. Aus der Natur der Sache kopiert da jeder zeugs hin und her und ändert das . ... Dazu kommen noch jede

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenität (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hola, On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 09:20:41PM +0200, Hakuch wrote: Und da ja auch niemand sagt Die Englische version der Seite ist die führende ist am Ende das Wiki ein Oktopus mit 250 Armen. eigentlich wird das schon gesagt, wo genau find ich allerdings auch nicht auf die schnelle :) Das ist

Re: [Talk-de] Vertrauen in OSM-Wochennotiz

2014-10-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 08:49:10PM +0200, Johann H. Addicks wrote: TLDR Oder um mich den Vorrednern anzuschießen: *Entweder richtig machen oder sein lassen!* Es gibt hier kein Richtig. Man kann Geld dafür ausgeben das ein Warning unterdrückt wird d.h. die Browser und CA Mafia supporten, oder

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenität (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread christian.pietz...@googlemail.com
Was mir auch immer öfter auffällt ist, es von tag zu tag verschiedenen Schmata gibt. Gutes Beispiel sind proposed Dinge. Bei Highway und Railway hat man sich ganz gut auf highway/railay=proposed; proposed/primary( geeinigt (scheint zu mindestens laut Taginfo so) Bei Gebäuden jedoch nutzt man

Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserung der attributiven Heterogenität (War: Was gibt es für unterschiedliche Tagging-Schemen?)

2014-10-05 Thread Hakuch
halo, klar, fänd ich eigentlich auch logischer, eine klare Definition und festlegung die halt durch mehrere Prozesse und Instanzen abgeändert werden kann. So hatte ich es auch erwartet als ich zu OSM kam und fands schwierig mich daran zu gewöhnen dass es ganz anders ist - undd och funktioniert.

[osm-ve] Fwd: OSM-Latam 1ra Reunión! - Resumen

2014-10-05 Thread Marco Antonio
Hola, Comparto la minuta que Fernando redacto cuando nos reunimos en México con algunas comunidades de OpenStreetMap presentes en la conferencia AbreLatam + ConDatos. Charlamos de ideas para potenciar la participación de los contribuidores OSM en toda América Latina. Ya existe la lista

[Talk-it] Sovrapposizioni in Auditorium della musica, Roma

2014-10-05 Thread Germano Massullo
Sto migliorando la mappatura dell'Auditorium della musica di Roma. Mi servono consigli su come mappare la scalinata che in JOSM andrebbe a sovrapporsi all'edificio presente alle spalle. Si vede bene nella seguente foto: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fsimages/7256064012/ Le coordinate sono

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Birmingham Bike Hire pods

2014-10-05 Thread Andy Robinson
Brian, Do you mean the Brompton Dock? Its not a Borris bike btw. There is also a dock due in at New Street. Cheers Andy From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] Sent: 05 October 2014 11:52 To: OSM Group WM Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Birmingham Bike Hire pods Hi

[Talk-ec] Fwd: OSM-Latam 1ra Reunión! - Resumen

2014-10-05 Thread Marco Antonio
Hola, Comparto la minuta que Fernando redacto cuando nos reunimos en México con algunas comunidades de OpenStreetMap presentes en la conferencia AbreLatam + ConDatos. Charlamos de ideas para potenciar la participación de los contribuidores OSM en toda América Latina. Ya existe la lista

[Talk-at] Fragen zu Straßennamen

2014-10-05 Thread Johannes Obermueller
Hi, ich hab ein paar Fragen zu Straßennamen, da ich da gerade auf ein paar Dinge gestoßen bin die mir unklar sind. Konkret geht's darum, dass ich in meiner Heimatgemeinde (St. Valentin) Adressen und Straßennamen von basemap.at übernehme (nicht ohne etwas Hausverstand klarerweise). Dabei ist's

Re: [Talk-at] Fragen zu Straßennamen

2014-10-05 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 05.10.2014 16:38, Johannes Obermueller wrote: Dabei ist's vor allem im ländlichen Gebiet so, dass basemap.at oft für viele Straßen in einem Gebiet (z.B. Endholz) den Namen des Gebiets anzeigt. Das macht insofern Sinn als die Häuser in der Gegend in der Adresse alle Endholz als Straße stehen

Re: [Talk-at] Fragen zu Straßennamen

2014-10-05 Thread Norbert Wenzel
On 10/05/2014 05:39 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 05.10.2014 16:38, Johannes Obermueller wrote: Mich interessiert das deshalb ganz besonders, weil ich festgestellt habe, dass Adressen auf osm.org scheinbar nur gefunden werden wenn eine Straße mit dem Namen der in addr:street vorkommt in der

Re: [Talk-at] Fragen zu Straßennamen

2014-10-05 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 05.10.2014 18:21, Norbert Wenzel wrote: Nein, ist es nicht. Zumindest findet Nominatim mit Oppenberg 229 den Alpengasthof Grobbauer der mit addr:place getagged ist. Ohne addr:place findet er es nicht. addr:place ist ein Humbug, weil place kein Bestandteil einer Adresse ist. Also eine

Re: [Talk-at] Fragen zu Straßennamen

2014-10-05 Thread Norbert Wenzel
On 10/05/2014 06:51 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 05.10.2014 18:21, Norbert Wenzel wrote: Nein, ist es nicht. Zumindest findet Nominatim mit Oppenberg 229 den Alpengasthof Grobbauer der mit addr:place getagged ist. Ohne addr:place findet er es nicht. addr:place ist ein Humbug, weil

Re: [Talk-at] Fragen zu Straßennamen

2014-10-05 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 05.10.2014 19:27, Norbert Wenzel wrote: Also ich versteh net wirklich was das Problem ist. Wir definieren ein Feld mit einem beliebigen Namen in eine Adresse. Mir ist nicht klar warum man einen Glaubenskrieg führen muss, ob das jetzt place oder hamlet heißt und was ein echtes Adresstag ist,

Re: [Talk-at] Fragen zu Straßennamen

2014-10-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Friedrich Volkmann wrote: addr:* ist eine Adresse, eine Anschrift. Wenn du auf einen Brief den Empfänger schreibst, dann schreibst du nicht Stadt=Wien oder Dorf=Laxenburg, sondern du hast eine Ebene (Zeile) für die Gemeinde, und das bilden wir mit addr:city ab. In der Zeile drunter kann auf

[Talk-pe] Fwd: OSM-Latam 1ra Reunión! - Resumen

2014-10-05 Thread Marco Antonio
Hola, Comparto la minuta que Fernando redacto cuando nos reunimos en México con algunas comunidades de OpenStreetMap presentes en la conferencia AbreLatam + ConDatos. Charlamos de ideas para potenciar la participación de los contribuidores OSM en toda América Latina. Ya existe la lista

[OSM-talk-fr] Création d'interdiction de faire demi-tour à l'entrée d'un rond-point avec iD ?

2014-10-05 Thread JB
Celle-là est bonne : Une relation turn-restriction no_u_turn au point d'entrée à un rond-point. Contributeur d'il y a deux mois, éditeur… iD. Là, ça commence à me questionner : https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4051321 Foncièrement, c'est pas faux… et encore (si on mappe les voies d'accès

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création d'interdiction de faire demi-tour à l'entrée d'un rond-point avec iD ?

2014-10-05 Thread Francescu GAROBY
Si, c'est faux : vu que pour prendre la voie dans l'autre sens, il faut forcément tourner sur sa gauche et donc prendre le rond-point à contre-sens sur quelques mètres (le rayon de braquage du véhicule). Par contre, j'ai déjà vu OSRM me proposer de sortir d'un rond-point pour y re-rentrer

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création d'interdiction de faire demi-tour à l'entrée d'un rond-point avec iD ?

2014-10-05 Thread Sylvain Maillard
en fait c'est comme une autre relation voisine qu'il a fait : https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4051320 techniquement c'est pas faux, on a pas le droit de tourner à gauche sur un rond-point, mais d'un point de vue modélisation du rond point dans OSM c'est une erreur car le sens unique est une

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création d'interdiction de faire demi-tour à l'entrée d'un rond-point avec iD ?

2014-10-05 Thread Philippe Verdy
On peut éventuellement mettre juste une restriction de tourner à gauche uniquement sur le point d'extrémité du triangle d'accès au rond-point (joignant les deux segments en sens unique pour empêcher d'y revenir) mais c'est totalement inutile sur un noeud de l'anneau. Cependant je ne pense pas que

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création d'interdiction de faire demi-tour à l'entrée d'un rond-point avec iD ?

2014-10-05 Thread Philippe Verdy
Le 5 octobre 2014 18:58, Sylvain Maillard sylvain.maill...@gmail.com a écrit : en fait c'est comme une autre relation voisine qu'il a fait : https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4051320 techniquement c'est pas faux, on a pas le droit de tourner à gauche sur un rond-point, mais d'un point de

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Liste des voies OSM et codes FANTOIR par commune

2014-10-05 Thread Vincent de Château-Thierry
Bonsoir, Le 04/10/2014 22:00, Yves Pratter a écrit : Le 4 oct. 2014 à 17:44, Vincent de Château-Thierry osm.v...@free.fr mailto:osm.v...@free.fr a écrit : C'est une limite des listes proposées : elles s'appuient sur la table des adresses de BANO. Pour qu'un code Fantoir soit connu dans cette

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Liste des voies OSM et codes FANTOIR par commune

2014-10-05 Thread Jérôme Seigneuret
Salut, J'ai toujour un problème de correspondance inexistante sur ACH ANCIEN CHEMIN DE LIRAC Ancien Chemin de Lirac qui dispose d'adresse dans BANO mais pas dans OSM (j'ai pas fait de terrain encore là-bas)

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Liste des voies OSM et codes FANTOIR par commune

2014-10-05 Thread Vincent de Château-Thierry
Le 05/10/2014 23:38, Jérôme Seigneuret a écrit : Salut, J'ai toujour un problème de correspondance inexistante sur ACH ANCIEN CHEMIN DE LIRAC Ancien Chemin de Lirac qui dispose d'adresse dans BANO mais pas dans OSM (j'ai pas fait de terrain encore là-bas)

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/10/14 09:49, Lester Caine wrote: there should be a block on the deleted element being removed until the 'damage' is repaired. Something that JOSM at least tries to help with, but iD ignores? Where the damage is the breaking of a relation, iD is not ignoring it, it is actively but

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-05 Thread Andy Street
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 00:35:20 +0100 David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: I think iD has taken totally the wrong approach. If the concept is too difficult for the target audience, it should have refused the operation, rather than hidden the problem. Simply refusing to delete seems

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread Spike
On 05/10/2014 10:47, David Woolley wrote: A classic example is NaPTAN stop data, where the rule for one that has gone away is to invalidate the bus stop tag and add physically_present=no, but leave the node present. I think I've seen cases where a stop being moved has triggered an delete/add

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/10/14 11:27, Spike wrote: On 05/10/2014 10:47, David Woolley wrote: A classic example is NaPTAN stop data, where the rule for one that has gone away is to invalidate the bus stop tag and add physically_present=no, but leave the node present. I think I've seen cases where a stop being

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread Dan S
2014-10-05 12:11 GMT+01:00 David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk: On 05/10/14 11:27, Spike wrote: On 05/10/2014 10:47, David Woolley wrote: A classic example is NaPTAN stop data, where the rule for one that has gone away is to invalidate the bus stop tag and add physically_present=no,

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread Ian Caldwell
On 5 October 2014 12:11, David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: Could I ask please the logic behind retaining references to a stop that does not exist? In rural area there are places that buses stop but no physical stop. And in Malvern there are examples of where this only a physical

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/10/14 11:25, Andy Street wrote: Simply refusing to delete seems rather unhelpful. I'd much prefer the user to be presented with a dialog box that explains the problem in simple terms before allowing them to either continue with the delete or seek assistance. If the user requires assistance

Re: [Talk-GB] Vandalism in London

2014-10-05 Thread Lester Caine
On 05/10/14 11:25, Andy Street wrote: I think iD has taken totally the wrong approach. If the concept is too difficult for the target audience, it should have refused the operation, rather than hidden the problem. Simply refusing to delete seems rather unhelpful. I'd much prefer the user

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-05 Thread Andy Street
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 12:47:29 +0100 David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: Newbies will tend to do what is necessary to suppress the error message, without thinking what they are doing. Alternatively, they will reject the editor as one of the big problem with creating dumbed down

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-05 Thread Antje (OpenStreetMap)
I am trying to think how to reduce incidents that would cause alarm to users like me, but there is no point in flagging new editors because it won’t help them integrate into OSM. I am not an expert in iD since I moved on from Potlatch, but Potlatch at least denotes relations on ways, while iD

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread Stuart Reynolds
This is digressing somewhat into a discussion about NaPTAN but before I get into that point, if I can just pick up on the comment about leaving things in because it shows a history of what the data looked like. Sorry, but OSM IS a dynamic data set and doesn't AFAIK have the facility to keep a

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread Stuart Reynolds
That should have been DfT in my last sentence. Curse autocorrect! Sent from my iPhone On 5 Oct 2014, at 18:00, Stuart Reynolds stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.ukmailto:stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk wrote: This is digressing somewhat into a discussion about NaPTAN but before I get into that

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/10/14 17:58, Stuart Reynolds wrote: On NaPTAN, deleted stops are those that have been removed and should correspondingly be removed from OSM If that is the new policy, you should change

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/10/14 18:20, David Woolley wrote: On 05/10/14 17:58, Stuart Reynolds wrote: On NaPTAN, deleted stops are those that have been removed and should correspondingly be removed from OSM If that is the new policy, you should change

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread Stuart Reynolds
That's my view as someone who is closely involved with NaPTAN. I don't know what official OSM policy is-I'm just saying what it ought to be Regards Stuart Sent from my iPhone On 5 Oct 2014, at 18:20, David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: On 05/10/14 17:58, Stuart Reynolds wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread Lester Caine
On 05/10/14 17:58, Stuart Reynolds wrote: This is digressing somewhat into a discussion about NaPTAN but before I get into that point, if I can just pick up on the comment about leaving things in because it shows a history of what the data looked like. Sorry, but OSM IS a dynamic data set and

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/10/14 21:00, Lester Caine wrote: and historic material would have an end date set which the renderers would also respect. A view of the data with any out of scope material suppressed is easy to implement, but at present we still don't have a reliable method of archiving material even if

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-05 Thread David Woolley
On 05/10/14 14:11, Lester Caine wrote: Which sort of ties in with my constraints on relations. If an edit is breaking something it's easy enough to say unable to proceed because ... but ideally the API should be able to find a new missing bit and add it into the relation? Only blocking

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors

2014-10-05 Thread Lester Caine
On 05/10/14 21:43, David Woolley wrote: On 05/10/14 14:11, Lester Caine wrote: Which sort of ties in with my constraints on relations. If an edit is breaking something it's easy enough to say unable to proceed because ... but ideally the API should be able to find a new missing bit and add

Re: [Talk-GB] Deletions and newbie editors (was: Vandalism in London)

2014-10-05 Thread SomeoneElse
With new editors though I sometimes think we forget how hard it is for someone to start editing now in e.g. the centre of London compared to when we experienced mappers started. Here, for example (courtesy of Martijn Van Exel's OSM Then and Now) is what the area I started mapping in looked

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 03/ott/2014, alle ore 21:23, Randal Hale rjh...@northrivergeographic.com ha scritto: It has nothing to do with being on the OSM US Board. I was on it for two years..we discussed editing, Neither of which had any bearing on that candidates experience with editing.

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-05 Thread Randal Hale
Of Course! The entire priest example could fix many problems...but that is a longer discussion over drinks. The US is a huge place and OSM is still this thing people hear about and don't understand. I've taught two (by tomorrow) classes to GIS people on what OSM is and what it isn't. It's a

Re: [Talk-us] Outreach Program for Women

2014-10-05 Thread alyssa wright
By we I mean Mapzen! We are happy to be able to support this internship and follow the examples of many organizations in the open source geo space doing awesome work to increase diversity and respectful dialogue. Thanks, Alyssa. On Oct 4, 2014, at 7:49 AM, alyssa wright

Re: [Talk-us] Outreach Program for Women

2014-10-05 Thread Eric Brelsford
This is awesome! I believe the first link should be: https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2014/DecemberMarch Right? eric On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: By we I mean Mapzen! We are happy to be able to support this internship and

Re: [Talk-us] Outreach Program for Women

2014-10-05 Thread Alex Barth
Great! On Saturday, October 4, 2014, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all! I am pleased to announce that we are providing funding for an internship with HOT through the GNOME Outreach Program for Women. This is an incredible organizations with proven success in bringing more

Re: [Talk-us] Outreach Program for Women

2014-10-05 Thread alyssa wright
Yes. Thanks! On Oct 5, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Eric Brelsford ebrelsf...@gmail.com wrote: This is awesome! I believe the first link should be: https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2014/DecemberMarch Right? eric On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM, alyssa wright

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-05 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Alan, The number of edits a user names is a data point. For some people, it's an important data point, for others it may not be, but it's an interesting piece of information. By analogy, if this were a cyclist organization, I would hope that a board member had experience as a cyclist. The number

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-05 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/5/2014 6:26 PM, Alan McConchie wrote: All of the candidates have made more than zero edits While true that all candidates have edited OSM at some point in the past, two of them have zero edits in the last year, and one of those has no US edits ever.[1] While a candidate may have other

Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits

2014-10-05 Thread Randal Hale
I will make an assumption (and forgive me if I'm wrong) that both candidates with 0 edits are female. I am basing this only on names and a rudimentary internet search. I think before both candidates answer that question - you need to define why they have a complete lack of OpenStreetMap