Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse-Engineering Maps and Share-Alike Licences

2009-03-07 Thread Andy Allan
On 7 Mar 2009, at 23:56, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Gervase Markham gerv- gm...@gerv.net wrote: b) If people are reverse-engineering our stuff, they need a massive, sustained, continuous Mechanical Turk effort unless they create SVG files that just

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are Produced Works anti-share alike?

2009-03-06 Thread Andy Allan
I don't think we want to provide a bypass for the reverse engineering clause, so much as ensure that it can be an SA produced work plus no reverse engineering combined. Cheers, Andy Who should be out on his bike mapping Dolgellau instead of reading legal-talk on holiday... On 6 Mar

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Andy Allan wrote: 1) Make the plan and the draft public. Ask for feedback. 2) Wait for feedback to be taken into account and expect/hope for a final version of the ODbL 3) See if the OSMF board approves 4) See

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan - minimum-legalese option

2009-03-04 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Or if I might make a slightly different suggestion: keep the CC-BY-SA licence because that's what we have, and it's the standard adopted by Wikipedia and other collections of free content. Not a helpful suggestion. It's been

Re: [OSM-talk] Front page design and SEO

2009-03-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: I keep wanting to scream every time I see it say Mapnik.. as if three of the layers there aren't actually rendered using Mapnik anyway :-) I can't imagine what a newbie will think a Mapnik is. Quite. Can someone

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] images are Produced Works

2009-03-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: My position is that images are Produced Works, not a derived OSM database. Rendered images are a creative work that requires skill and judgement. This is an important use case and ODbL Section 1 Definitions specifically

Re: [OSM-talk] Front page design and SEO

2009-03-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote:  I keep wanting to scream every time I see it say Mapnik.. as if three of the layers there aren't actually rendered using Mapnik

Re: [OSM-talk] Front page design and SEO

2009-03-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Osmarender is the name of the rendering software, ti...@home is the name of the distributed rendering system. I see it as the name

Re: [OSM-talk] It's all too fast...

2009-03-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: The GPLv3 public revision process was 18 months in multiple phases, and it was based on an existing licence. We are trying to analyse a completely new and untested one and get it to a final version in 1 month. We've

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: Do we want to see the slippy-map tileservers becoming a commercial battleground for who can make the most money while imposing the most restrictions, where currently it's a nice easy everything is CC-BY-SA level

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'm surprised that nobody else seems to see a problem in this. Am I perhaps barking up some completely imaginary tree? Nope, not at all, I'm exceptionally concerned about the implications on the cyclemap db. I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] Large OSM globe style images

2009-02-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I would be interested in hearing other techniques for creating similar images with other tools. I'm sure it must be possible with Mapnik but you will have to import the whole planet and it will take ages to render that

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle Map layer

2009-02-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: 2009/2/17 Matt Toups matt...@cloudmade.com: Dave Stubbs wrote: 2009/2/9 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: Where does the Cycle Map get it's coastlines from? I happened to notice that some of the paths I mapped along the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC :left/:right (asymmetrical roadside features)

2009-02-17 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Norbert Hoffmann nhoffm...@spamfence.net wrote: Andy Allan wrote: And every time using :left and :right comes up, we all have a big discussion about it and then nobody pays any attention and it comes up again a few months later. Perhaps this is because

Re: [OSM-talk] News blog link - to blogs.openstreetmap.org?

2009-02-17 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Equally permalink is a fairly standard name for that concept now, even though (originally at least) it clearly wasn't something that most people could be expected to know. I get complaints about the lack of permalink on

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] NHD Dataset

2009-02-17 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: There really is not much other choice, as areas grow larger and the old idea of simply drawing touching polygons relies on a rendering style without a casing around the polygon. Yep, please avoid making one polygon by

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC :left/:right (asymmetrical roadside features)

2009-02-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) andrewc-email-li...@piffle.org wrote: Further to Tobias's raising of :mode, :wet, :direction etc. for pseudovoting, I'd like to raise a general method for tagging properties of the two sides of the road:

Re: [OSM-talk] Matching existing OSM data with third party coordinates

2009-02-13 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com wrote: We have received data from a company that employs a service similar to Google Street View, and they are asking some questions on how to use our data as a base layer. They want to do something like this: they have

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Okay to trace from public-domain USGS DOQs?

2009-02-11 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: A co-worker of yours, CloudMade's very own Andy Allan, had this to say about the topic: Just as well that none of us are lawyers then, eh? :-) Cheers, Andy ___ legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg

2009-02-11 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: If future-Potlatch were to become _an_ editor available on the main site rather than _the_ editor, I'd be very happy. Of course, CloudMade might already be working on this - can anyone from CM confirm/otherwise?

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tilesathome] setting up a server for a country

2009-02-04 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:03 PM, D Tucny d...@tucny.com wrote: 2009/2/4 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net ti...@home, while very up-to-date is a very inefficient rendering process and work has been put into enabling mapnik to be as up-to date as t...@h can be. (see up-to-date bookmarklet

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: Among the arguments could be: This or that tag is already used in X number of places in OSM. That kind of crazy idea gets you nowhere against the wiki-fiddlers, c.f. previous discussions regarding crossing= Cheers, Andy

Re: [OSM-talk] Handling of towns with different or alternative names

2009-01-27 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Manfred Podzkiewitz wrote: Hello, i have a question about the handling of unoffical, or ethnic, or historic names of towns and villages. The TIGER import in the USA uses name_1 for alternate

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] 23rd Dec board meeting

2009-01-26 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: Technical - Tile serving, API restrictions Servers I am still not clear that there is a need for API restrictions and what reduction in bandwidth costs would result. What are the predicted costs of continuing the

Re: [OSM-talk] When is a bridge not a bridge?

2009-01-23 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Friday 23 Jan 2009 6:00:08 pm Sven Rautenberg wrote: if the way is layer=0 and the bridge is layer=0 too (the crossing way under is layer=-1, digged) then the bridge has no ramps. Something with negative layer

Re: [OSM-talk] Import populated places from vmap0

2009-01-22 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote: Isn't that the function of openstreetbugs? Perhaps if you don't know the size of a town, it should be marked there as Please correct the place tag, currently set to village. OpenStreetBugs isn't fully integrated with all

Re: [OSM-talk] Anonymous editing

2009-01-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Yay for 0.6 going live in March. Can we take this opportunity to finally disable anonymous editing? I'd certainly like to. If the consensus is that it's nothing to do with 0.6 we can alternatively make it part of

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch again

2009-01-15 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Both of these are going to have to wait for the AS3 rewrite, Wait - who are you, and what have you done with RichardF? Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Readme for Potlatch

2009-01-15 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Following the invitations of many of you to contribute in addition to criticisms to Potlatch I decided to start with the help pages. I have added some readme data section to the Potlatch help page, showing some general

Re: [OSM-talk] ITO Mapper, OSM book (was: OpenStreetMap Trust)

2009-01-15 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: (Yes, we'll describe API 0.6 in the book and not 0.5, hoping that it won't take another year to finish. Mwahahahaha Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch again

2009-01-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: (There's even a case for having z20 as super-thin lines because, by definition, if you're editing at z20 you want precision.) Or super-fat ones, to remind everyone that no matter how carefully you're working,

Re: [OSM-talk] Keep Mapnik relevant

2009-01-08 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Andreas Fritsche andreas.frits...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get it. Really? It's pretty straightforward. You still know it's a railway, a highway, a building, ... . Reading more tags will unveil the name, the operator, the source and so on. There is no

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam] Re: Invisible coastline errors in Potlatch

2009-01-05 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: By the way, who maintains the coastline checker See http://trac.openstreetmap.org/log/applications/utils/coastcheck to see who the committers are. and how does one talk to the people who maintain the code? Emails

Re: [OSM-talk] Invisible coastline errors in Potlatch

2009-01-05 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: http://openstreetmap.org/browse/way/22359503/history looks like it is a 2 node way. Seems that there is a bug in Potlatch, causing it to not show the coastline here. But the way contains the

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-19 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: ok, not that likely, but I wouldn't use a tag with a different meaning when we can just add another specific one; Is that really so different ?

Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables

2008-12-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: I assure you public transport timetables are very complex and one most certainly can't implement it as tags to the OSM model. Given that we have * Unlimited numbers of key/value pairs per object * Recursivable

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for various reasons. There is not however a problem as far as I know in people

Re: [Talk-GB] Data from Foia request

2008-12-17 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Kærast kaer...@newscloud.com wrote: Hi, I received a response to a freedom of information request today with a list of CCTV cameras owned by my local council http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cctv_coverage_and_information_4 The exact locations aren't

Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?

2008-12-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Ed Loach wrote: I think Potlatch has the advantage that you can switch from map view to edit mode easily for the area you are viewing, but once you've done that I still need to have an extra tab open for the wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Most of POTLATCH problems are clearly caused by: - not understanding POTLATCH and how it works - Not understanding OSM at all. Most of the Potlatch complaints are clearly caused by: Cheers, Andy

Re: [OSM-talk] mkgmap makes routable garmin maps

2008-12-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Robert Vollmert rvollmert-li...@gmx.net wrote: Hi all, there seem to be a few Garmin users around here. If you'd like to give routable OSM-derived maps a try, there's some instructions on the wiki at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap/routing . The

Re: [OSM-talk] mkgmap makes routable garmin maps

2008-12-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Robert Vollmert rvollmert-li...@gmx.net wrote: Also, when I was putting it together yesterday I saw osm2mp.pl suggesting it was dealing with turn restrictions (although on reading the code, it's not exactly sophisticated logic!). But when I was playing with it

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed

2008-12-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: For some time we (at ITO) have being planning to do a thematic mapping view of these un-loved places by combining the census data and OSM data. Each census output area covers about 100 households so there must be

Re: [OSM-talk] Unification of OpenStreetBugs an Trac

2008-12-04 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Christoph Böhme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the moment I am trying to figure out if bug reports reports can be stored directly in the osm database using standard nodes and tags. Please, please don't take or advocate this approach. The OSM core tables should,

Re: [OSM-talk] Properly tagging is_in of roads

2008-12-02 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Olav Einervoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi To get proper searching of roads and stuff is this the correct way to do it? For the village: name: John's Village place: village is_in: Municipality, County, Country and then for every road example: highway:

Re: [OSM-talk] Coordinate in wiki page

2008-12-01 Thread Andy Allan
I've no idea where that template comes from - is it a wikipedia thing? Very few wikipedia templates have been also copied onto the openstreetmap wiki. In answer to your second question, yep, most links are hardcoded simple urls, but you might want to consider either embedding a map (see

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki map features

2008-11-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Pieren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The feature smoothness has been enabled and disabled 12 times in the past 7 days from the wiki Map Features page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Map_Features:smoothness We should stop the game now. All the people

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki map features

2008-11-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Sebastian Hohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it has been voted on and should thus stay on Map Features. Therein lies the problem, in my opinion, specifically with the thus. Things could be voted on, but not put onto the Map Features page, perhaps - otherwise

Re: [OSM-talk] UK bike map standard: Cheltenham pattern becoming more objective

2008-11-21 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do people think of the latest iteration of http://www.cyclenation.org.uk/resources/mapping.php (formerly http://www.cyclecheltenham.org.uk/map_standard.html )? We should probably get our oar in

Re: [OSM-talk] Ordnance Survey tries to reinforce its stranglehold over derived geographic data in the UK

2008-11-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Donald Allwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, the current tagging doesn't seem to have enough granularity here. The highway=path, highway=footway, foot=yes, horse=designated etc. tags doesn't seem to include a way of actually saying if a path is a public

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Update to the OSM wiki page for the Foundation

2008-11-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OSM wiki doesn't seem to do references, hence the crude versions I have used. Is this possible? Yep, it's just a case of adding the correct templates to make it work, and that's pretty easy. I've added 'wikipedia'

Re: [OSM-talk] nicer wiki URLs

2008-11-14 Thread Andy Allan
I think you entirely missed the point. Redirecting a nicer url to a nasty one is the wrong way round! Cheers, Andy On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Making_Overview redirects to the correct page. On 14 Nov 2008,

Re: [OSM-talk] UK Industrial Estate Roads

2008-11-08 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The purpose of the service road is to service an industrial area - therefore it is not simply unclassified. Unclassified is only appropriate - in my opinion - when the road has no identified other use. Why bother with

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: relation type=way_affected (on the beginning of the street)

2008-11-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Stanislav Brabec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo. Just on the beginning of the private way is one of the common places for barriers. Its mapping makes an apparent clash between reality and mapping schematic - there is no way to mark this fact exactly.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-04 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Johnny Rose Carlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there a description of highway=path on Map Features page? Ahahahahahahaha. So what? Are you saying Map Features is useless? No, it's not useless. But there's no point

[Talk-GB] Reminder - upcoming API development events

2008-11-04 Thread Andy Allan
Hi All, Seeing Ivan's new icon for dev events on the wiki prompted me to send out a quick reminder of the two upcoming development events over the next few days: Wednesday evening - APIzza 0.6. Come along and get familiar with the code that powers the OSM API - and have some pizzas too! Perfect

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations#Proposed_uses_of_Relations has a large number of proposed uses of relations, but there never seems to be any forward movement on these. However flawed the voting

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest concentrating on documenting the ones that are in use, such as multipolygons, cycle route relations. Even better is to concentrate on the ones that are in the db and widely consumed by e.g. a renderer), Is

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM, David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a complete tangent to this conversation... I was curious about the area Richard mentioned, so looked it up: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.98283lon=-1.99189zoom=15layers=B000FTF And was amazed that someone has

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Sven Rautenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you cannot complete this task until Mapnik gets some software fixes. I'd suggest tagging your lake correctly and try to get Mapnik fixed, instead of trying to find a workaround tagging that works in Mapnik and

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the license note ffs guys, legal-talk-general i believe, http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-general It's an entire mailing list set up so this un-resolvable (to a large extent) discussion can be kept away from

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Igor Brejc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we constantly reiterating the fact that tagging is democratic? I think democratic is the wrong word. You can do what you like. There's no tyranny of the masses, for a start - minorities and majorities are both on equal

Re: [OSM-talk] I've added some amenity values to Map Features based on tag usage

2008-10-31 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: grammar-fascist The apostrophe is not correct anyway. It denotes a missed letter, in this word-position it would be 'doctor is', as opposed to the non-apostrophe version meaning 'belong to the the doctor' or plural doctors.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Understanding the new license - room for negotiation?

2008-10-31 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El Viernes, 31 de Octubre de 2008, Sunburned Surveyor escribió: [...] Does the new license ever require my company to release the land use polygon data in the above scenario? No. :-) I think however a useful

[Talk-GB] APIzza 0.6

2008-10-30 Thread Andy Allan
You can all blame Matt Amos for the terrible wordplay. We're having a pizzas-and-coding event next Wednesday (5th November), in lieu of any London pub meetup and as a warm-up to the upcoming API 0.6 Hack weekend. It gives everyone a chance to get up to speed on the recent work on the API, get set

Re: [OSM-talk] Recent changes to slippymap Mapnik rendering

2008-10-29 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM, David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the appearance of this map layer has a large impact on the public face of OSM, I think it's important to have lots of people discuss their views on this. It's helpful up to a point, but there's a certain amount of art

Re: [OSM-talk] waypoints.ph now using openstreetmap

2008-10-29 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:59 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, waypoints.ph the premiere volunteer driven travel site of the Philippines what's-a-nice-place-and-how-to-get-there Now uses openstreetmap for some of their destinations. Example waypoint narrative:

Re: [OSM-talk] Color Problems with new Mapnik Style

2008-10-27 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Michael Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, look at this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.73083lon=9.02887zoom=16layers=B000FTF What is the cause of this problem? I see that it's on a tile boundary, therefore I reckon [1] it's due to colour

Re: [OSM-talk] SEO

2008-10-27 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Xav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be fantastic is urls of this kind : http://www.openstreetmap.org/london/ ...for a lot of medium and big cities. The reason is to encourage people to use these URLs for their own use on their pages. With the current URLs

[OSM-legal-talk] Requiring free of charge for db redistribution on Internet

2008-10-27 Thread Andy Allan
Hi All, I was recently, umm, persuaded to join this ML - clearly I did something wrong in a previous life :-) Forgive me if the following is inappropriate or has been discussed already, so far I've only been subjected to vast torrents of PD discussions so I'm not sure what goes on at other times!

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging for landuse and landcover

2008-10-24 Thread Andy Allan
No! :-) The layer tag is for things that are vertically separated - like bridges going over rivers and so on. Cheers, Andy On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:31 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should I use the tag layer? like natural:forest landuse:tourism layer:X On Fri, Oct 24,

[OSM-talk] Xybot

2008-10-24 Thread Andy Allan
Hi All, I see that someone is running a bot across the entire planet, and I don't see any discussion of it on the mailing lists. The bot is called xybot and the user is apparently xylome http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/xylome - I believe this is the same person who Frederik was referring to on

Re: [OSM-talk] Xybot

2008-10-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Frank Sautter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello andy, Andy Allan schrieb: I see that someone is running a bot across the entire planet, europe I'm asking now for this person to publicly justify to all the contributors to OpenStreetMap why he or she knows

Re: [OSM-talk] Xybot

2008-10-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:10 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the nature of OSM, anyone can edit anything without asking for permission. There's no black and white here. I agree that it would have been best to have had some form of discussion about this script, but there's

Re: [OSM-talk] IEEE paper on OSM

2008-10-23 Thread Andy Allan
The last quote is by far the best :-) Cheers, Andy On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:14 AM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't see anyone post this so http://povesham.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/openstreetmap-user-generated-street-maps-ieee-pervasive-computing-paper/ with the usual choice

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-21 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:44 PM, vegard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:27:27PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 09:43 +0200, vegard wrote: I see it like this: What could be very useful to have, is a mapping between tiger data (old set) and OSM data. It

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS routing using OpenStreetMap data?

2008-10-21 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you actually have that working? I use mkgmap-r659 a Garmin Vista (HCx) and I see no routing - it insists on using the base map. I did see a mention of this some time back, but assumed it was 'coming' - it certainly

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap questions

2008-10-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Ryszard Mikke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should I ask them here or is there some other list/forum? There's no list or forum devoted to OpenCycleMap - but feel free to ask your questions here. Cheers, Andy ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, sergio sevillano wrote: the key:barrier has been approved and thus the highway=gate now belongs to barrier *barrier=gate * shall we run a script to do this? No, because this would break existing rendering. First

Re: [OSM-talk] Recommendations for a new GPS Device?

2008-10-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Williams wrote: I've been using my old N95 for a while now to get my GPS traces, but unfortunatly it's decided to finally give up. So, i'm in the market for a new GPS device. I'd preferebly like a standalone

Re: [OSM-talk] Yet another street number scheme

2008-10-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:28 AM, Karl Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to reiterate my perspective, the Karlsruhe schema is fine for what it is, but it's not sufficient for all uses. Perhaps not natively, but I don't see why it can't be converted into interpolated-on-street during

Re: [OSM-talk] Databases?

2008-10-15 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I've been taking a look at the software stack and (especially with the intermediate XML formats) I can't help but feel that we could represent the map data in a much more efficient format - eg a quadtree. OSM data

Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style

2008-10-15 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not so shure about the rendering of roads (primary,secondary) at Zoom layers 10-11-12. Looking here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.8354lon=1.1434zoom=13 the roads to the south of the image seem to use a different

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-13 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is much simpler to parse maxspeed:mph=30 than to parse maxspeed=30mph. It's much simpler to parse maxspeed=30mph than it is to work out which one is correct when there's multiple maxspeed:[kph|mph]=30 tags, I'd say.

Re: [OSM-talk] Pedestrians on cycleways

2008-10-13 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:53 AM, sylvain letuffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems to reflect the situation in Germany. However, in Belgium and The Netherlands, the default is that pedestrians are allowed on cycle tracks. I think that what you need is not a cycleway anymore, because

Re: [OSM-talk] Border of Ukraine

2008-10-08 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Claudius Henrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lars Aronsson: In the current discussion of the Russian navy base at Sevastopol, it would be useful to have a free map showing the Black Sea and the land border between Russia and Ukraine, from Belarus to the Black

Re: [OSM-talk] Tags created by presets - railway station

2008-10-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ryszard Mikke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, I was using Potlatch. So far I couldn't make to get some sensible background i JOSM or Merkaator... I thought it is defined in OSM itself, not editor dependent. It's completely editor dependent, so in this case

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering or tagging issue?

2008-10-06 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan asked: Is this a problem in mapnik or is it a problem with the OSM data? If the latter, how can I fix it? It looks like the data is OK. All three are cities, and each is tagged as such. I suspect that the lowzoom

Re: [Talk-GB] Cycle lane in one direction only

2008-10-01 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Loach wrote: What is it we are trying to address here exactly? I'm assuming it is cyclelanes that are part of the road/way as This is with reference to

Re: [OSM-talk] YOURS now supports route using only cycleroutes -Update

2008-09-30 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing from a routing application point of view it is better to add a rule to handle oneway=true, even though the Map Features page only defines yes/no or -1 as valid values (and hence maplint highlights =true as an

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Adam Schreiber wrote: Not if you consider that roads are to be marked down their center line and typically the parking area ends to the outside of the center line of the road demarking their boundary. An argument

Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing

2008-09-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM, 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a distinction that will be lost on most casual mappers. Its complicated enough for them already. You are arguing for a scheme where seemingly arbitrary combinations of tags can or cannot be combined on one osm-object.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mapnik not displaying

2008-09-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:59 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...more OSM coming soon is a tile served in response to a request, isn't it? I often get them when the server takes too long. So the problem must be server side. Not necessarily. The 404.png is fetched by the JS API when

Re: [OSM-talk] clean gpx tracks

2008-09-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Karl Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GPX tracks are intended to show the basis for the ways and other data that is in the database, so I think one motivation for timestamps hearkens back to a desire to show your work to defend the source of OSM data

Re: [OSM-talk] Missing tiles?

2008-09-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Lukasz Szybalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I want to render the whole planet and I want to have a tile for every mile of it, will ./generate_tiles.py work or I have to specify some additional parameters? As Dave said, you will need to edit the file, and read

Re: [Talk-GB] Oneway assumes cars?

2008-09-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, But generally the question is should oneway to cars be tagged as oneway=yes? Because it paints a big oneway arrow on the map which will confuse everyone except car-drivers. Even if you're a cyclist or other user

Re: [Talk-GB] Oneway assumes cars?

2008-09-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy wrote: Actually they aren't - what they are doing is making one end of the road no access to motorised vehicles. So the road itself is no longer technically oneway, so it shouldn't need cycleway=opposite... So

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed feature for noname

2008-09-23 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since then the map has been expanded to cover everywhere (thanks to CloudMade), which is useful because the tracing problem exists in many other places. But it's also completely irrelevant in some areas. And frankly, if

Re: [OSM-talk] OS Trumped

2008-09-14 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway the OS are one the of the primary (platinum?!) sponsors of the RGS (along with Land Rover and Rolex from memory). So the map of the venue, and how to get to it, prominantly displayed on the back cover of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Four cheers for OSM

2008-09-14 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Richard Weait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Cycle Map with hill shading, and a shiny new award. Well done! I've updated each of these in my slides and anticipate a wonderful response from the attendees. Thank you, OSM developers, for these exciting

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