Re: [talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

2010-03-11 Thread maning sambale
Hi, One week to go for the Marikina Mapping Party. For those interested, please confirm here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_Party/Marikina or here http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=325986027476#!/event.php?eid=325986027476ref=ts I need a list of

[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

2010-03-11 Thread Andre Marcelo-Tanner
Ah very nice page design. Does OSM not have some kind of standard pamphlet for an intro to OSM and mapping using JOSM or potchlatch? I might go if I'm available that day and maybe we can get our docs agreed upon and signed there. Will bring car and Blackberry GPS+Laptop if ever :) Andre

[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

2010-03-11 Thread Andre Marcelo-Tanner
- Will we be needing walking papers? Is anyone going to print them all, should we bring a printer perhaps or print them beforehand :) - If we print walking papers will someone have a scanner? :) Or do we use a digicam haha - Will there be banners for the cars, and information sheets incase

[talk-ph] MapZen POI Collector

2010-03-11 Thread Andre Marcelo-Tanner
Does anyone here use MapZen by CloudMade for mapping or has tried the IPhone POI Collector? My wife has a IPhone 2G so I'm gonna try it out and hope it works without GPS :) http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector Would be cool if we could use that to collect POI info during the

[OSM-talk-be] New project

2010-03-11 Thread Ben Abelshausen
Hi all, I may have the opportunity to contribute to OSM in a pretty extensive way but i'm not sure if it is doable or usefull. We are a delivery company and we have distribution rounds but they are stricly abstract; no mapping is involved, just lists of streets. We want to import these round

Re: [OSM-talk-be] New project

2010-03-11 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote: - How is the map evolving (specifically in the area of flanders). Are there lots of mappers? How accurate are the maps already? I'm not very knowledgeable, being from the Netherlands myself, but I would say:

Re: [OSM-talk-be] New project

2010-03-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Ben Abelshausen wrote: - How is the map evolving (specifically in the area of flanders). Are there lots of mappers? How accurate are the maps already? Depends of course. Some cities like Antwerp are almost complete, but if you look to neighbouring municipalities it's not difficult to find

[OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
All, Dirk (the current JOSM maintainer) has just announced on josm-dev that JOSM will move to Java6 around the end of this month. This means that anyone who does not have Java6 may continue to work with the current JOSM release but will not be able to use the new builds from April on.

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
For one of OSM GSoC'10 projects I would like to suggest unofficial guide for mapping. We all know that there is a little haos in tagging (some says it's good, some says it bad), but so far biggest confusion comes from not how to tag things, but how to tag complex situations or how to even map

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
That is a great idea. What about making video as well, on how to use OSM/JOSM/Potlatch how to get started. Video Screencasts? mike On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.comwrote: For one of OSM GSoC'10 projects I would like to suggest unofficial guide for mapping. We

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: If you are in the unfortunate situation of having willfully chained yourself to one Hardware/OS supplier and that supplier is unwilling to release Java6 for your platform, it may be time to finally ditch ...JOSM in anticipation of imminent Potlatch 2 wondrousness.

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Thursday 11 Mar 2010 3:42:47 pm jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: That is a great idea. What about making video as well, on how to use OSM/JOSM/Potlatch how to get started. Video Screencasts? actually Gsoc is meant for developing the application as such (as in writing code), not

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The world doesn't require Potlatch 2 wondrousness. The world would already sigh with relief if Potlatch could be made to not break relation ordering when a way is split ;-) Has the world lodged a trac ticket? I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently

Re: [OSM-talk] Contributing to PL2 (was: Re: Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back)

2010-03-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Bennett wrote: Sweet. How hard can ActionScript be, really? (I've done plenty of C, Delphi, Java etc in the distant past, usually the difficulty is not the language, it's learning the codebase.) Exactly. If you know Java then you shouldn't find AS3 much of a stretch at all - think of

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The world doesn't require Potlatch 2 wondrousness. The world would already sigh with relief if Potlatch could be made to not break relation ordering when a way is split ;-) Has the world

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently waiting for Potlatch 2 to be released and will *then* complain about everything that *still* doesn't work. (My info comes from several mentions on, you guessed it, talk-de.) Oh, I'd guessed that much. No-one outside

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Thursday 11 Mar 2010 4:02:22 pm you wrote: actually Gsoc is meant for developing the application as such (as in writing code), not working on end user documentation and tools. Not only, I know several projects where user manuals and documentation where created during GSoC. There was one

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
GSoc student pool is a very talented one - it would be good to use them for more critical things. Of course, OSM unlike other projects is basically a collection of tools maintained by various people, so difficult to achieve a consensus. Having one place of knowhow of mapping is quite

[OSM-talk] OSM for walkers / hikers - getting it going!

2010-03-11 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hello everyone, Thanks for the responses on this. What I would like to do this year is really try to bring together everyone on the list who is interested in developing OSM software (both web and mobile) for walkers (hikers) so that we can make a good go of exchanging ideas and developing

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
lets put it in a different perspective : Make the documentation as part of the program! I would like to see for example a help system that is integrated to the wiki, Click on a tag, have it pull up the wiki entry, be able to add new unknown tags or rename them. We could even have an OWL Ontology

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Student Project Ideas?

2010-03-11 Thread Kai Krueger
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Ian Dees wrote: ... I think a more useful criticism would include some specific ideas... Well, if we are throwing around random ideas, I might as well chime in too... To state it upfront, I am not involved in any of the parts suggested, so I can neither fully judge

Re: [OSM-talk] Contributing to PL2 (was: Re: Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back)

2010-03-11 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: How hard can ActionScript be, really? If I can do it, anyone can. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 09:30, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Java6 has been around for more than three years now (and other OSM software, e.g. Osmosis, already depends on it) so if you are still using an older version it might be time to upgrade. (If you are in the unfortunate

Re: [OSM-talk] Contributing to PL2 (was: Re: Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back)

2010-03-11 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:38, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Sweet. How hard can ActionScript be, really? (I've done plenty of C, Delphi, Java etc in the distant past, usually the difficulty is not the language, it's learning the codebase.) Exactly. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Contributing to PL2 (was: Re: Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back)

2010-03-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Is it worse or better than the PL1 codebase ?:) Do you want a serious answer to that? :) The codebase is a lot more proper: there's packages and private/protected variables and all of that. You could probably write unit tests for it if you like that sort of

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Student Project Ideas?

2010-03-11 Thread Lars Francke
I suggest that API 0.8 would specify that any values in the database be stored in some appropriate canonical form, with a flag to say if it is naturally imperial or naturally metric. So heights and widths would be stored (say) in integer millimetres or integer inches with a one-bit flag to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Student Project Ideas?

2010-03-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Lars Francke lars.fran...@gmail.comwrote: I suggest that API 0.8 would specify that any values in the database be stored in some appropriate canonical form, with a flag to say if it is naturally imperial or naturally metric. So heights and widths would be

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El día Thursday 11 March 2010 11:40:56, Frederik Ramm dijo: I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently waiting for Potlatch 2 to be released and will *then* complain about everything that *still* doesn't work. The world is trying to *preemptively* ban potlatch 2 :-P -- Iván Sánchez

[OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-11 Thread Nic Roets
(since we got rid of the segments) From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-11 Thread Grant Slater
On 11 March 2010 15:50, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: (since we got rid of the segments) From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ Interesting... There has been a change to the dumping script since the previous week: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20396 But more

Re: [OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-11 Thread SteveC
lots of dupe node removal? On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Nic Roets wrote: (since we got rid of the segments) From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-11 Thread Lars Francke
No. From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ planet-091007.osm.bz2 09-Oct-2009 03:37 7.4G planet-091014.osm.bz2 14-Oct-2009 20:35 7.2G And I'm sure it has happened before. What exactly were you trying to tell us? :)

Re: [OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-11 Thread Grant Slater
On 11 March 2010 16:03, Lars Francke lars.fran...@gmail.com wrote: planet-091007.osm.bz2                     09-Oct-2009 03:37  7.4G planet-091014.osm.bz2                     14-Oct-2009 20:35  7.2G I tweaked the bz2 compression block size around then, which would account for that size

[OSM-talk] FOSSGIS: Devserver - Aktuelle Projekte/Zuk ünftige Entwicklung

2010-03-11 Thread Lars Francke
Halloechen! Das ganze hier gehoert noch zu den FOSSGIS-Nachwehen und ist für Leute, die nicht dabei waren vielleicht nicht so interessant bzw. verständlich. Ich habe eben mal kurz die Seite der Strato-Server im Wiki[1] erweitert um zu sehen welche Projekte welche Resourcen nutzen. Ich bin mir

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Seventy 7
grin :D Any clues or teasers as to what this might contain? - Original Message - From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:23:00 -0800 (PST) Frederik Ramm wrote: If you

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
Richard Fairhurst wrote: multiple snips ...JOSM in anticipation of imminent Potlatch 2 wondrousness. How can potlatch be respectable if it is based on non-free software? (non-free flash, and you can't touch their source code!) You can run JOSM using only libre and/or open source software. Not

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Łukasz Jernaś
2010/3/11 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: El día Thursday 11 March 2010 11:40:56, Frederik Ramm dijo: I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently waiting for Potlatch 2 to be released and will *then* complain about everything that *still* doesn't work. The world is trying

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: How can potlatch be respectable if it is based on non-free software? (non-free flash, and you can't touch their source code!) You can run JOSM using only libre and/or open source software. Not only JOSM, there's much more software that can be run on fully free

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread Graham Jones
Hi, I agree that improving documentation would be a really useful contribution to OSM, but Google are quite explicit that this is outside of the scope of GSoC ( http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#doc_proposals ). A project along the lines of 'context

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Description : Integration of the java swoop ontology editor into JOSM. A JOSM ontology plugin. Work : 1. create a live mapping from OSM into RDF , so that the swoop can access the data in OSM without conversion. 2. be able to have the changes in the rdf be reflected back into the OSM. 4.

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread Graham Jones
Mike, I have not the faintest idea what that means, but it sounds impressive! Please add it to the list, but it would be nice to define some of the terms and abbreviations to help the ignorant like me! Thanks Graham. On 11 March 2010 22:39, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Will to tomorrow, chk out swoop http://www.mindswap.org/2004/SWOOP/ On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Graham Jones grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: Mike, I have not the faintest idea what that means, but it sounds impressive! Please add it to the list, but it would be nice to define some

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread Karl Guggisberg
Hi, 4. conversion of the wiki into OWL, so that the rules and relations of the OSM are documented formally. see also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Machine-readable_Map_Feature_list/OWL_Semantic_Wiki_and_more http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Machine-readable_Map_Feature_list an

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread Tom Hughes
On 11/03/10 22:50, Graham Jones wrote: I have not the faintest idea what that means, but it sounds impressive! Please add it to the list, but it would be nice to define some of the terms and abbreviations to help the ignorant like me! Sounding impressive is not a valid reason to consider

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I know it sounds shocking but you can make you ontology as simple as you want, and you can have as many as you want. There does not need to be only one set of rules, I can defined them for my own little bit of the map and others can use them. the point is that you can define your terms formally

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I think the semantic mediawiki extension would be a great start, another would be integration of the tagwatch into the wiki, definition of data collection from the data set into the wiki (deduction) and validation and generation of new tags (induction) mikw On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Karl

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for walkers / hikers - getting it going!

2010-03-11 Thread Mike N.
I'm very much in favour of improving both the quality of hiking data, and its representation (particularly outside Europe). But do make an effort to consolidate the existing material rather than just adding another layer of paint over the top. Exactly - I'm just at the point where I need a

Re: [OSM-talk] Freemap - OpenStreetMap for walkers (hikers) - feature ideas?

2010-03-11 Thread Gregory
Walking isn't just about long-distance stuff. Being able to say: x is my starting point and I have [10|30|60mins|...] and I am [slow as a snail|average|running from mad mappers], please take me on a circular route that avoids busy roads, goes through nice parks, maybe goes to places people marked

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for walkers / hikers - getting it going!

2010-03-11 Thread Mike N.
(And similarly, how to distinguish between a bike path and a mountain bike track). I added mtb:scale to mountain bike tracks. But around here, even the steepest, roughest terrain is only 1 or 2 out of a scale of 5. I think mtb:scale=3 is something like leaping off 1 meter boulders g

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for walkers / hikers - getting it going!

2010-03-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: .. I'm still unclear how one is supposed to distinguish between a smooth, wide urban footpath and a hiking trail. For smoothness, use surface=* For width, use width=* (And similarly, how to distinguish between a bike

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread Al Haraka
Tom, Sounding impressive is not a valid reason to consider something a good idea... Basically he's suggesting replacing our current freeform tagging with some complicated system of rules and ontologies. But being rude and oversimplifying is valid? As already mentioned, it does not have to be

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for walkers / hikers - getting it going!

2010-03-11 Thread John F. Eldredge
So mtb:scale=5 would be a vertical cliff? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Mike N. nice...@att.net Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:51:00 To:

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10

2010-03-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Al Haraka alhar...@gmail.com wrote: It's completely not the osm way *as I interpret it* and isn't going to fly *as long as I am around*. I think that is going to far, my point here is not to be negative, but to contribute something. I can imagine that people

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: How can potlatch be respectable if it is based on non-free software? (non-free flash, and you can't touch their source code!) Personally? I don't give a shit about free software. Or

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: If all the code and all the tools we used were to be licensed costly software, who would pay for OSM? We'd all use Google Map Maker then. Under Safari ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 March 2010 17:50, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: If all the code and all the tools we used were to be licensed costly software, who would pay for OSM? We'd all use Google Map Maker then. Under Safari ;-) What about Mapzen under IE?

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OV zonekaart

2010-03-11 Thread Stefan de Konink
Op 09-03-10 11:02, Lennard schreef: Ldp != Floris (mocht ik willen!) En toch stel ik voor dat degene die hem gesloopt heeft, hem ook weer fixt. :-) PS: Dat was ik dus niet. Ik kom er nu ook even niet aan toe. Gezien Rubke vroeg naar bed moest. En ik al de hele week loop te zeuren ben ik

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OV zonekaart

2010-03-11 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Hey, niet aleen voor mij. Voor een ieder die niet graag afscheid neemt van z'n strippenkaart. De OV bedrijven hebben de kaart al van hun site gehaald. Wij zijn krek de enigste die em nog voeren nu. Zegt the voort. Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations

2010-03-11 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, John Smith wrote: On 11 March 2010 05:40, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=5505 Thanks for saving me the trip, so on their signs it looks like 'st.george' I wouldn't promise that I have tagged that branch correctly -- English

[talk-au] Nearmap released over a northern Victoria

2010-03-11 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Have been anticipating this for a few weeks and finally it has arrived. Nearmap imagery now covers a fair portion of Northern Victoria. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] No Road

2010-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On a recent trip, I twice came across roads marked No Road. Anyone know what this means? I rode down both of them, and was rewarded by really interesting, very rough tracks that fortunately did connect up with the road network again. Are they former roads, no longer publicly maintained? How would

[talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread Franc Carter
Hi, I use to tag traffic signals at the intersect of the roads, however with NearMap I can see that for complex intersections this does not work as well as I would like, three things I can see to do are:- 1. tag at the intersecttion of roads 2. tag at the location of the signals 3. either (1) or

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread Luke Woolley
Personally, since NearMap became available, i've been placing traffic light tags at every thick white stop line at the intersection, which means for a standard intersection, there are 4 traffic light nodes. On 11/03/2010, at 11:50 PM, Franc Carter wrote: Hi, I use to tag traffic signals at

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread John Henderson
On 11/03/10 23:55, Luke Woolley wrote: Personally, since NearMap became available, i've been placing traffic light tags at every thick white stop line at the intersection, which means for a standard intersection, there are 4 traffic light nodes. This is exactly what I've been doing too,

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Luke Woolley lswool...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, since NearMap became available, i've been placing traffic light tags at every thick white stop line at the intersection, which means for a standard intersection, there are 4 traffic light nodes. What's the

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread John Henderson
On 12/03/10 08:39, Steve Bennett wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Luke Woolleylswool...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, since NearMap became available, i've been placing traffic light tags at every thick white stop line at the intersection, which means for a standard intersection,

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 23:50 +1100, Franc Carter wrote: Hi, I use to tag traffic signals at the intersect of the roads, however with NearMap I can see that for complex intersections this does not work as well as I would like, three things I can see to do are:- 1. tag at the intersecttion

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:09 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: The benefit is in greater accuracy and completeness.  If we can do better than commercial street directories, then why not? At the cost of managing that extra information. So far, I haven't seen much evidence that we have

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 09:52 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: Put it this way: how would you render a single circle for any intersection that has a traffic light? That is, if there are traffic light nodes at one intersection, you still only want to render one circle. It's a pretty obvious use case.

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:43 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: From a routing perspective, its more useful to have the information on the road intersection.  While it might render nicer if you put objects geographically where they are (separated from the road), from a routing

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread John Henderson
On 12/03/10 09:52, Steve Bennett wrote: At the cost of managing that extra information. So far, I haven't seen much evidence that we have ways of aggregating excess information into more manageable chunks. Put it this way: how would you render a single circle for any intersection that has a

[talk-au] Where do national/state park boundaries come from?

2010-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, I notice that we have some national park boundaries, but not all. Anyone know where they come from? Are there any usable sources of data? I can't see that attempting to find the boundaries by driving/walking around the park would be very fruitful. Steve

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:21 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Other than de-cluttering (which tends to be done automatically anyway) I'm not sure why you'd want to render only one set of lights if there were more than that. Well, because to most people a set of lights covers a whole

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap released over a northern Victoria

2010-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
Yeah, it's been available for a couple of weeks now - plenty of work for us to do. Pity there's such a large gap between Bendigo and Geelong - that's one of my favourite areas of Victoria. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Have been anticipating

Re: [talk-au] Where do national/state park boundaries come from?

2010-03-11 Thread Jim Croft
try http://www.protectedplanet.net/ as a place to start... jim On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all,  I notice that we have some national park boundaries, but not all. Anyone know where they come from? Are there any usable sources of data? I can't

Re: [talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations

2010-03-11 Thread John Smith
I created a stub wiki entry on this topic. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Invalid_Abbreviation_Expansion ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Traffic Signals

2010-03-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: ... So far, I haven't seen much evidence that we have ways of aggregating excess information into more manageable chunks. As others have already suggested: we need relations. There's already proposals semi-underway

Re: [talk-au] Where do national/state park boundaries come from?

2010-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: try http://www.protectedplanet.net/ as a place to start... I couldn't find any statement about licensing there. To clarify, my question is not how do I find NP boundaries - that's easy, there are maps on parkweb.vic.gov.au

[talk-au] Where do national/state park boundaries come from?

2010-03-11 Thread Alex Lum
National and state park boundaries for Victoria (from the Department of Sustainability and Environment's Vicmap Lite package) were released under a CC - Attribution 2.5 Australia licence earlier this year. You can download the polygon data as a KMZ file here:

Re: [Talk-br] Mapeamento Estado de Goiás

2010-03-11 Thread Flavio Bello Fialho
Eu estou criando relations para TODAS as rodovias federais e estaduais do Rio Grande do Sul (as que já não existem, claro). As relations ajudam bastante na verificação. Alguns trachos de rodovias pertencem a quas rotas (Ex: BR-116 e BR-290 entre a ponte do Guaíba e a saída para Canoas, em

Re: [Talk-br] Mapeamento Estado de Goiás

2010-03-11 Thread Aun Johnsen
Os relations tambem ajudar no routing, alem voce entrar no BR-101 no São Paulo viendo para Salvador, voce vai o maioridad do distanca no BR-101 (ou pegando BR-116 em caso este e mais rapido), e nao vai sair pela rodovias menor para courtar alguns quilometres. Tambem poder ser usado no render para

Re: [Talk-br] Mapeamento Estado de Goiás

2010-03-11 Thread Arlindo Pereira
A ideia é a mesma das fronteiras: linhas com muitos pontos (quantos mesmo?) são desencorajadas; aconselha-se dividi-las em segmentos de alguns quilômetros e juntá-las com relations. []s Em 11 de março de 2010 08:54, Flavio Bello Fialho be...@cnpuv.embrapa.br escreveu: Eu estou criando relations

Re: [Talk-br] Mapeamento Estado de Goiás

2010-03-11 Thread Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
E além disso, se uma rua ou rio define a fronteira de alguma cidade (ou bairro, etc), para evitar termos dois caminhos sobrepostos, o que é desencorajado também, temos que usar relations. Em 11 de março de 2010 10:26, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org escreveu: Arlindo: linhas com mais que 500

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Filter (war: Re: Einige Gedan ken zu OSM - Datenbanken nicht croudsource-fähig?)

2010-03-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Chris-Hein Lunkhusen wrote: Komisch bei mir kommts einmal mit den Punkten, auf dem anderen Rechner mit A, S, K, I und M. Gleiche 2564-tested-windows-exe-Version auf Windows XP. Das wird mit den installierten Schriften und DPI Einstellungen zu tun haben, also ein typisches GUI

[Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2010 - Rückblick (und Ausbl ick?)

2010-03-11 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hallo! Nachdem jetzt ein paar Tage verstrichen sind ein Rückblick über die FOSSGIS und wie es in Zukunft weitergehen könnte. Zum klassischen Teil Es hing ein Plakat über die Zusammensetzung der FOSSGIS 2009 Teilnehmer aus, die ich sehr aufschlußreich fand. Letztes Jahr kamen über 80% der

[Talk-de] ORS down?

2010-03-11 Thread Christian Knorr
Hallo zusammen, ich kann OpenRouteService [1] seit gestern nicht mehr erreichen. Gleiches gilt auch für OSM-WMS. Hab' ich was verpasst, sollte das so sein, gibt's neue Adressen? MfG, Chris [1] http://data.giub.uni-bonn.de/openrouteservice [2] http://www.osm-wms.de/

[Talk-de] (OT) Was heißt [tm]?

2010-03-11 Thread Christian Knorr
Am Donnerstag 11 März 2010 08:05:51 schrieb Andre Joost: Das funktioniert doch schon mit der alten tested 2564. Hätte man das damals [tm] schon freigeschaltet/veröffentlicht, wäre der beta-test längst gelaufen. Hallo zusammen, ich lese hier öfter mal das [tm]. Was heißt das? Das Trademark

Re: [Talk-de] ORS down?

2010-03-11 Thread Pascal Neis
Hi, Christian Knorr schrieb: Hallo zusammen, ich kann OpenRouteService [1] seit gestern nicht mehr erreichen. Gleiches gilt auch für OSM-WMS. Hab' ich was verpasst, sollte das so sein, gibt's neue Adressen? MfG, Chris [1] http://data.giub.uni-bonn.de/openrouteservice [2]

Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2010 - Rückblick (und Ausbl ick?)

2010-03-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo Ulf, Ulf Lamping wrote: A) Man macht die FOSSGIS 2011 so wie dieses Jahr, klassischen und OSM Teil hintereinander. B) Auf der FOSSGIS 2011 sollen die Themen stärker zusammenwachsen, also verzahnt sich das Programm zeitlich stärker. C) Man zieht sowas wie eine deutsche SOTM auf, die

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Filter

2010-03-11 Thread Sebastian Klein
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Chris-Hein Lunkhusen wrote: Komisch bei mir kommts einmal mit den Punkten, auf dem anderen Rechner mit A, S, K, I und M. Gleiche 2564-tested-windows-exe-Version auf Windows XP. Das wird mit den installierten Schriften und DPI Einstellungen zu tun haben, also

Re: [Talk-de] (OT) Was heißt [tm]?

2010-03-11 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Donnerstag 11 März 2010 09:46:33 schrieb Christian Knorr: ich lese hier öfter mal das [tm]. Was heißt das? Das Trademark bekomm' ich da irgendwie nicht reininterpretiert. Das ist schon das trademark und hat (IMHO) zwei maßgebliche Anwendungsgebiete: Einerseits spielt man damit auf die

Re: [Talk-de] (OT) Was heißt [tm]?

2010-03-11 Thread Claudius
Am 11.03.2010 09:46, Christian Knorr: Am Donnerstag 11 März 2010 08:05:51 schrieb Andre Joost: Das funktioniert doch schon mit der alten tested 2564. Hätte man das damals [tm] schon freigeschaltet/veröffentlicht, wäre der beta-test längst gelaufen. Hallo zusammen, ich lese hier öfter mal das

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Filter

2010-03-11 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 11.03.2010 10:41, schrieb Sebastian Klein: Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Chris-Hein Lunkhusen wrote: Komisch bei mir kommts einmal mit den Punkten, auf dem anderen Rechner mit A, S, K, I und M. Gleiche 2564-tested-windows-exe-Version auf Windows XP. Das wird mit den installierten Schriften

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Filter

2010-03-11 Thread Sebastian Klein
Jan Tappenbeck wrote: habe mir das einmal gezogen - sieht nach dem start aber wirklich nur aus wie eine 3085 release-version von josm ! Ach ja, im linken Bereich auf den Knopf mit dem + klicken, dann öffnet sich der Dialog... __ Sebastian ___

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Filter

2010-03-11 Thread Torsten Breda
Am 11. März 2010 10:41 schrieb Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com: Ein neues Design für das Filter-Gedoens ist in der Entwicklung, hier schon mal eine Vorschau zum ausprobieren: Kommentare willkommen! Das sieht doch gar nocht schlecht aus. Ein paar Kommentare: Beim ursprünglichen

Re: [Talk-de] ORS down?

2010-03-11 Thread Christian Knorr
Am Donnerstag 11 März 2010 09:46:12 schrieb Pascal Neis: Christian Knorr schrieb: Hallo zusammen, ich kann OpenRouteService [1] seit gestern nicht mehr erreichen. die Server ziehen gerade um. Temporär ist die Webseite von ORS über http://szipf03.geog.uni-heidelberg.de/openrouteservice/

Re: [Talk-de] ORS down?

2010-03-11 Thread Pascal Neis
Hi, Christian Knorr schrieb: Am Donnerstag 11 März 2010 09:46:12 schrieb Pascal Neis: Christian Knorr schrieb: Hallo zusammen, ich kann OpenRouteService [1] seit gestern nicht mehr erreichen. die Server ziehen gerade um. Temporär ist die Webseite von ORS über

[Talk-de] http://dev.openstreetmap.de/ down?

2010-03-11 Thread dieter jasper
Hallo, kann keine NaviPOWM-Karten laden. Server meldet sich nicht. Gruß Dieter Jasper ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] (OT) Was heißt [tm]?

2010-03-11 Thread Andre Joost
Christian Knorr schrieb: Am Donnerstag 11 März 2010 08:05:51 schrieb Andre Joost: Das funktioniert doch schon mit der alten tested 2564. Hätte man das damals [tm] schon freigeschaltet/veröffentlicht, wäre der beta-test längst gelaufen. Hallo zusammen, ich lese hier öfter mal das [tm]. Was

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Filter (war: Re: Einige Gedanken z u OSM - Datenbanken nicht croudsource-fähig?)

2010-03-11 Thread Michael Buege
Zitat Frederik Ramm: [...]- es braucht wohl echte Profis, um so abstrakte Ideen wie dieses Filter-Gedoens in brauchbare Icons umzusetzen. Gibt es eine Aufstellung, fuer welche Funktionen Icons benoetigt werden? Man kann es ja mal versuchen ;-) -- Michael

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