Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-11 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 08:49:48PM -0400, Anthony wrote: Maybe the idea started out well. Using CC-BY-SA isn't consistent across different jurisdictions, so we want a ShareAlike license which Make that a You or I I dont want/need share-alike -

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-11 Thread 80n
Thanks to everyone who offered me spare accounts. I now have more than I need. If anyone else needs one please ask. 80n On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:34 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have a spare / unused OSM account that was created before the new Contributor Terms were

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-11 Thread 80n
Thanks to everyone who offered me their spare accounts. I now have more than I need. If anyone wants one just ask. 80n On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:34 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have a spare / unused OSM account that was created before the new Contributor Terms were

[OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread 80n
Does anyone have a spare / unused OSM account that was created before the new Contributor Terms were introduced? I'm planning an import of some micro-mapping that's been done for my local area. The import guidelines[1] recommend that I create a new account for this to keep it separate from my

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
80n, 80n wrote: For obvious reasons I'm not going to use an account that forces me to commit to the new contributor terms. So now I'm looking for anyone who might have an old OSM account (created before May 12th 2010) that they are not using and would be happy to give away to me. Maybe

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Maybe instead of playing these kinds of games you could just help those people who want to set up a fork, and then import to that fork. Because for us, your plannet import along with your steadfast refusal of the new license, only causes more work and

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 18:36, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Maybe instead of playing these kinds of games you could just help those people who want to set up a fork, and then import to that fork. Because for us, your plannet import along with your steadfast refusal of the new license,

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Ed Avis
Now that we have identifiable changesets, the advice to create a separate user account is no longer as essential as it once was. I would suggest using your existing user account and doing the upload as one or more clearly marked changesets. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes: Because for us, your plannet import along with your steadfast refusal of the new license, only causes more work and more problems. That is true. But then for those who would prefer to continue with CC-BY-SA, the pushing of the new contributor terms

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Peter Körner
Am 10.08.2010 13:38, schrieb Ed Avis: Frederik Rammfrederikat remote.org writes: Because for us, your plannet import along with your steadfast refusal of the new license, only causes more work and more problems. That is true. But then for those who would prefer to continue with CC-BY-SA,

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: [...] CC-BY-SA can't be used for databases. That's certainly trivially incorrect. The database that holds Wikipedia is a database, for instance. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Peter K?rner wrote: Didn't you read? There is no way in continuing with CC-BY-SA as CC-BY-SA can't be used for databases. It is just not possible, damn! Anyone tested this is any court? Which CC-BY-SA project was 'killed' because of this? Let the guys from the LWG do

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 23:32, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: Why is this again a statement of making OSM more restrictive, while the hole transition was invented to be less restrictive on the OSM data ;) Paradox? The transition is from more free for contributors to less free for

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 8/10/10, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: [...] CC-BY-SA can't be used for databases. That's certainly trivially incorrect. The database that holds Wikipedia is a database, for instance. And it's not under

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 03:13:02PM +0200, Peter Körner wrote: Am 10.08.2010 13:38, schrieb Ed Avis: Frederik Rammfrederikat remote.org writes: Because for us, your plannet import along with your steadfast refusal of the new license, only causes more work and more problems. That is true.

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 23:44, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: In case i dont care and like PD more than CC-BY-SA or even worse the ODbl i would be more than happy to continue with CC-BY-SA and accept it to fail in court, basically putting the OSM Data into PD ... I never really got that, pro-PD

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:49 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 23:44, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: In case i dont care and like PD more than CC-BY-SA or even worse the ODbl i would be more than happy to continue with CC-BY-SA and accept it to fail in court,

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 10 August 2010 14:49, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 23:44, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: In case i dont care and like PD more than CC-BY-SA or even worse the ODbl i would be more than happy to continue with CC-BY-SA and accept it to fail in court,

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:49:18PM +1000, John Smith wrote: On 10 August 2010 23:44, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: In case i dont care and like PD more than CC-BY-SA or even worse the ODbl i would be more than happy to continue with CC-BY-SA and accept it to fail in court, basically

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 23:54, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: ... and aren't immoral arseholes who like to trample over other's intent and damn well know the project is highly unlikely to ever end up PD so would rather be on a level playing field by having a license that works for

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:49 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I never really got that, pro-PD people are pro-ODBL because copyright may not be enough to cover the database... Not sure what that means. I'd prefer OSM to stay CC-BY-SA. Barring that, I'd prefer CC0 (or PDDL, or

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/10/10, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: [...] CC-BY-SA can't be used for databases. That's certainly trivially incorrect. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/8/10 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/10/10, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: [...] CC-BY-SA can't be used for databases. That's

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
Peteris, I agree with you. I do not see anything wrong with ODbL this far. But The third condition of the Contributor Terms is unacceptable to me. Mappers from Germany or Southern England are probably one next to the other at this point of OSMs history, so bulk imports sound like absolutely

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Peter Körner
Am 10.08.2010 17:55, schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: For summary, there are: I'm sorry if I mixed those two groups. I'm not in 1) but I can totally understand the problems this group of people have. Peter, too. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Peter Körner
Am 10.08.2010 16:02, schrieb John Smith: If it won't end up PD why the limitation in the CTs? To keep the door open for the futuer. Nobody knows what will come. Are your problems that you don't trust the LWG? Then go on and do a fork -- it's that easy. Peter

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 August 2010 03:50, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: To keep the door open for the futuer. Nobody knows what will come. Are your problems that you don't trust the LWG? Then go on and do a fork -- it's that easy. It has nothing to do with trust, it has to do with the fact that

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/8/10 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Am 10.08.2010 16:02, schrieb John Smith: If it won't end up PD why the limitation in the CTs? To keep the door open for the futuer. Nobody knows what will come. Are your problems that you don't trust the LWG? Then go on and do a fork -- it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Thread Peter Körner
Am 10.08.2010 19:52, schrieb John Smith: On 11 August 2010 03:50, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: To keep the door open for the futuer. Nobody knows what will come. Are your problems that you don't trust the LWG? Then go on and do a fork -- it's that easy. It has nothing to do