[talk-au] High country huts

Hi I am new to editing. I have noticed inconsistency in what are known in Australia as Alpine or High Country or Mountain Cattlemen's huts. In Victoria they are tagged tourism=alpine_hut (see Bogong High Plains, Mt Sterling and Lake Mountain) In the NSW they are tagged as shelter_type=

Re: [talk-au] High country huts

Thanks Warin for the reply. wilderness_hut should not cause map clutter because they should only be tagged in wilderness areas which by definition are largely empty of man made features but I accept that getting their zoom level changed may be difficult so continue to tag as basic hut in N

[talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Hi What (if any) is the correct tagging for unauthorised trails in national and state parks? For example, Ant Track https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-37.92599/145.32051 I have spoken with Parks Vic and they request that bike riders do not create additional trails and only use offic

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Thanks for the replies The track exists and is mappable. It is not blocked off. Parks Vic prefers light handed regulation so I used mild language to describe the track status. http://parkweb.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/315692/Park-note-Lysterfield-Lake-mountain-bike-riding.pdf act

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Thanks Steve91 and all who have contributed to this thread. In the end I changed the access tag to horses no bicycles no but left the name unchanged. I referenced these discussions in the change comment. Tony Hi. I'm user Steve91. I did not put the original track in OSM, the changeset

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Hi I spoke with the ranger and he said it was OK for walkers to use though this was not my understanding of the regulations, my understanding was that all park users should keep to authorised trails. The ranger suggested that if it is mapped at all it should be tagged walker=yes bicycle=n

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Thanks stev391 and others for the feedback and the welcome. Re real world indications of bicycle=no, there is a lot of signage in the area indicating that only formed and signed bike trails can be used and that the creation and use of other tracks is illegal. https://app.box.com/s/a7215oibu

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Hi all Sorry, I referred to signs and brochures as 'maps' in my last mail, yes they do contain maps which can't inform our decision, but they also contain text information which can. Tony Thanks stev391 and others for the feedback and the welcome. Re real world indications of bicycle=no,

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Hi all I only got to speak briefly with the Head Ranger today. I request a further week delay in the decision on the tagging of Ant Trail. Thanks Tony ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tal

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Hi all Thanks for the delay while I contacted Parks Vic. Parks Vic have confirmed that Ant Trail is closed to the public for all uses as is the trail at https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-37.93253/145.30901 stev391 proposed that my edit should be reverted as he says: (1) The track is th

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

Thanks Stephen In regards to item 10, the photo that I have referenced is from the intersection of Granite and Abrahams tracks, which is un marked(no sign), only wheel ruts/indents in the grass to indicate the intersection. Yes, I looked there today and I can't see any signs either. If I

[talk-au] Overgrown (and illegal) bike track

Hi all Just advising my intention to delete Way: 46916574 if there are no objections. There are traces that a path existed at one time but its reverted to bush. See the August 2015 archive for discussions on access=no Tony jpg photo, track bottom left to centre https://app.box.com/s/oove

Re: [talk-au] Legal access to Public land ...

Hi Even with Warin's proposed edit to the wiki guidelines, I think it is still unclear whether its better to use the value 'private' or 'no' for the 'access' key. (And the various transport mode keys). For example, for tracks in national parks and closed water catchments which have more r

Re: [talk-au] How to label illegal tracks?

Hi A similar issue was discussed in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2015-August/date.html The question was whether to map illegally constructed mountain bike paths. The consensus was to allow mapping of whatever exists on the ground regardless of its legality. They can b

[talk-au] Fixing deletions

Hi I have been fixing map vandalism in Australia but ran into my skill limitations on this one https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ramira2 where a quarry has been deleted. How do I visualise the map before the deletion so I can assess what was deleted? What is the easiest way to undelete s

Re: [talk-au] Fixing deletions

thanks Nev I used the reverter 47973757 reverted quarry south of Ipswich-Rosewood Rd is now restored and the untagged area is deleted Tony ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Stormwater drains

Hi User Spookylad https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Spookylad appears to be mapping the underground stormwater drainage system tagging as drain or culvert. Some changes cite "Source: Hurstville City Council Drain Map" but give no information on copyright. They have not responded to my co

Re: [talk-au] nodes of a business placed on a road

Hi I have deleted these in the past, eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/47218168 I believe that they should be deleted on the principle of Verifiability http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability "OSM data should, as far as is reasonably possible, be verifiable ... a tag/value

[talk-au] Ficticious edits near Victor Harbour

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/atschulz7 has being creating new roads near Victor Harbour SA. At first glance they seem credible but I am 99% sure they are imaginary because: 1) They are not on the satellite images 2) The user has no public GPS traces 3) The volume of new subdivisions woul

[talk-au] New proposed subdivision roads

Hi I would like some help with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/55510413 The user has had a previous block. The user quotes locationsa as a data source for the addition of new proposed roads. Three questions does the source support the roads? Is the licence OK? Are they tagged right, th

Re: [talk-au] New proposed subdivision roads

Thanks The licence is OK The tagging is wrong Which leaves Q1, does the source support the edits? Not the map at http://location.sa.gov.au/viewer/ I checked two way/553675321 and way/553653996 and its surrounds and they are not on the map. But maybe I need to select an option to see proposed

Re: [talk-au] New proposed subdivision roads

Thanks all I've got the answer to Q1, the source supports the edits In http://location.sa.gov.au/viewer/ Select Datasets, land management, property and planning, Land Divisions Then the map shows proposed subdivisions in red Tony Thanks The licence is OK The tagging is wrong Which leaves Q1, d

[talk-au] Tag:emergency=water_tank

Hi Tag:emergency=water_tank wiki page talks of a 'large water basin' and the photo is of an underground tank. Is this tag suitable for above ground fire fighting tanks as are common in Victoria, eg https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-37.93622997&lng=145.30965289&z=17&pKey=KcRQ-XafSTnXlPdopu

Re: [talk-au] Tag:emergency=water_tank

What makes this a fire fighting tank? Looks like it could be used by anyone for any purpose. Only if they had the CFA (Country Fire Authority) key and hose fitting. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/l

[talk-au] Couchsurfing

Hi What's the best tagging for couchsurfing? eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5447891722 Tony ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Open Mapping team at Microsoft Australian edits

Hi all Just FYI the Open Mapping team at Microsoft has been very active, editing in Australia, over the last week. You can view their program at https://github.com/Microsoft/Open-Maps and their team members at https://github.com/Microsoft/Open-Maps/wiki/Open-Maps-Team-at-Microsoft Tony

Re: [talk-au] tagged links to photos

Nev My guess is that its OK to link to copyright data without any disclaimer. I do however have concerns about the verifiability of these nodes and relevance of the images. Would we identify these locations as viewpoints? I doubt it. The images are not of the mapped feature, they are from

Re: [talk-au] bushtrax.com images

Hi Keith Thanks for your map contributions and for joining this discussion. This discussion was about establishing general principles for the use of the viewpoint and image tags rather than any criticism of your specific edits. No disrespect was intended to you or your website. You say "Reg

Re: [talk-au] poor business listing edits

Hi I have attempted to define SEO spam at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Spam#SEO_Spam It would be good to have guidelines on what to do with SEO spam, I am often unsure when to revert. My thoughts are that it can be immediately reverted if it looks like SEO spam and it either:

Re: [talk-au] National Cycle Networks..

Hi Having recently ridden the Eurovelo7 in Italy http://www.eurovelo.com/en/eurovelos/eurovelo-7 I observed that National Cycle Networks are not necessarily safe or signed. But they are viable cycle routes for long distance travel, eg like Melbourne Sydney. On verifiability: Maybe we co

Re: [talk-au] Brisbane City Address Import

- What does the "ADDRESS USE TYPE" field mean? And should it be preserved? Hi, just guessing, when a property fronts onto two roads, 'Uprn (official location)' is where their mail is delivered and 'Alternate' is the other frontage. Tony ___

Re: [talk-au] more SEO spam?

Hi, I'm thinking it might be worth emailing the businesses being advertised and telling them that the SEO company that they engaged is making edits that they might not want their business associates. Tony Concur. Be ruthless. These people are akin to nuisance callers and should be publicly

Re: [talk-au] Remote mapping of Thredbo and Perisher areas

From memory its rocks and heath, random rivulets hidden under the heath but not wetland He has also been adding glacial lakes that I never new existed Way: 713143979 Tony Hi, A German has been remote mapping this area - he has not been there. I thought he was working the ski season there ..

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

Hi Frederik This reminds me of a thread that I started on this list about 2 years ago. It related to illegal mountain bike tracks in Lysterfield Park, Victoria Australia. The construction and use of unauthorized trails is illegal with large penalties (though I have never heard of a prosec

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

Frederik Sorry for the delay replying There are indeed some nuances, for example there is general agreement in the community not to map the nesting places of rare birds (lest eggs be stolen), and a similar general agreement exists for things like women's refuges Ecological damage from the use

Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads'

Maybe add the tag norender=yes when the owner or responsible body requests that a feature not be rendered. This might apply to private property, illegal tracks on public land , military bases and more. It would be up to individual map renderers whether they would respect the norender reques

Re: [talk-au] Suburban Tunnel at Sydney Central Station

How about disused: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused: Tony On 15/10/19 00:00, Luke Stewart wrote: G'day, As of 13/10/19, part of the suburban tunnel at Central station has been closed off of public access due to Metro works (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-33.88344

Re: [talk-au] Residential street, parking lane

Hi To me they just look like typical residential streets. Melbourne has wide streets too. Tony Hi, how do you guys map residential streets that are as wide as a two lane road but have no two lane marking. Typically there is lots of parking done on these streets. Example: https://www.map

Re: [talk-au] presenting #NorthernBeachesSolar pet project

You might like drrea.org.au, I did the map with Leaflet using a minimal tile set taken from OSM. Tony On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 11:29:13PM +1100, Sebastian Spiess wrote: I'd like to present my latest pet project: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:ConsEbt/NorthernBeachesSolar I wanted t

Re: [talk-au] Over 55’s Lifestyle Village = retirement_home ?

Hi Looking at the photos and site plan I suspect the homes may be demountable, that is, on temporary foundations. Sorry , I am not directly answering the tagging question, Even if purpose built it may effectively be a caravan park with all the sites taken by onsite cabins. Typically the si

Re: [talk-au] Over 55?s Lifestyle Village = retirement_home ?

Hi Here is a site transitioning from a caravan park https://www.ingeniaholidays.com.au/albury/ to a 55+ lifestyle village https://ingenialifestyle.com.au/communities/nsw/regional-nsw/albury The whole area is currently tagged as a tourism = caravan_site https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/33871443

Re: [talk-au] Join roundabouts

Hi Going a bit off topic, is there anything in the wiki about breaking relations, ways they break, what not to do? I am always a bit nervous editing members of relations. I guess you repurpose existing elements rather than deleting and replacing, but I may be missing subtleties. Tony Fo

Re: [talk-au] Sources for power line details, NSW

Hi In the state of Victoria at least, you can do a bit by visual inspection. With timber poles, the voltages typically are 415v 22kv and 66kv. If it feeds houses and shops its 415v. If it feeds into pole mounted transformers (with 415v out) its 22kv. If it feeds into small suburban sub sta

Re: [talk-au] Sources for power line details, NSW

In the state of Victoria at least, you can do a bit by visual  inspection. With timber poles, the voltages typically are 415v 22kv  and 66kv. If it feeds houses and shops its 415v. If it feeds into pole  mounted transformers (with 415v out) its 22kv. If it feeds into small  suburban sub statio

Re: [talk-au] Sources for power line details, NSW

We have some poles around here where on the top there are 3 pairs of double wires in > form and on a level below there are three single wires horizontal. Hi Just guessing and they might do it differently in your state top layer > 100kv and < 500kv Bottom layer 66kv or 22kv If it connects to

Re: [talk-au] Anzacathon and mapping possibilities

Hi Their statement is: "Yes, the Commission agrees to your using our information to provide data (for Openstreetmap, others)" This looks to me to be unqualified permission. There is no mention of CC-BY-SA and I would expect that their permission to continue till they revoked it. Tony

Re: [talk-au] Sufficient permission?

Hi My guess is that it is not sufficient permission. But I have an additional question and a possible solution for you. If a large group of people who were familiar with an area could confidently name a feature without referring to a map, for example the members of a bushwalking club, the

Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

Hi all I am writing as someone who does voluntary work for a Parks Service. I have personal experience with the loop: people use a path because its mapped, the path is mapped because it exists because people use it It takes an enormous amount of work to repeatedly deconstruct a track,

Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

Thanks Steve, Andrew and Graeme for your replies. Steve says "maps don't make people do foolish things, foolish people do" Steve, I guess we are all here because we strongly believe in open data, I would very much prefer if we could map the world exactly as we find it. Your argument is abou

Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

Thanks Mateusz Women's refuges were mentioned as an example, an extreme one, that illustrated certain principles, not because they weren't already being handled well. Thanks for the information on mapping private information but I think the discussion around refuges still stands. 'Any dec

Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

Hi Andrew I am intrigued by your suggestion of lifecycle. For a mountain bike trail thats just had its berms and jumps dug out and scattered and lots and lots of branches dragged across it and a sign put up at the head about the construction and use of illegal trails Is there a suitable li

Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

Quoting Andrew Harvey : It's just after hearing park authorities raise concerns about us showing un-authorised tracks on OSM, my reaction is usually how are we or anyone supposed to know which tracks are authorised and which aren't unless there is signage to indicate that. Hi Andrew Trail clos

Re: [talk-au] Mapping "off track" hiking routes

Hi Mateusz Are there nature reserves in Australia with rules "no access allowed unless signed otherwise" There are parks where access is limited to authorised tracks. You are not allowed off track. The authorised tracks are indicated by signposts and a copyright map. But I don't know the

Re: [talk-au] Audible stock control fences - mapping

Hi Sounds similar to here (semi urban Melbourne) but it's called virtual fencing https://www.wildlifesafetysolutions.com.au/ It's not just or even a loud sound. Headlights hit it, it emits a little squeak and flashes a light. Tony Opinions/ideas please On a substantial number of roads I have

Re: [talk-au] The Paradox of Postcodes (Was Re: Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal - Suburb and Postcode discussion)

Quoting "Sebastian S." : "Me is wondering how I would get notified if my postcode would change? By Australia Post? By ABS?" Hi When my postcode changed from Narre Warren East 3782 to Belgrave South 3160, I was notified by Australia Post. (But amusingly: they then realised that the roads wer

[talk-au] OSGeo Oceania tree planting and mapping day

/Volunteer/public-planned-activity/?id=c38ff798-914c-ea11-b698-0003ff6f5db4 Thanks Tony Forster Friends of Lysterfield Park ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] OSGeo Oceania tree planting and mapping day

eater Melbourne, the planting and mapping will proceed subject to Covid19 rules on that day. If attending, please register at https://www.parkconnect.vic.gov.au/Volunteer/public-planned-activity/?id=c38ff798-914c-ea11-b698-0003ff6f5db4 Thanks Tony Forster Friends

Re: [talk-au] OSGeo Oceania tree planting and mapping day

Greater Melbourne, the planting and mapping will proceed subject to Covid19 rules on that day. If attending, please register at https://www.parkconnect.vic.gov.au/Volunteer/public-planned-activity/?id=c38ff798-914c-ea11-b698-0003ff6f5db4 Thanks Tony Forster Friends of Lysterfield Park

Re: [talk-au] Audible fences

What physically is this 'screeching fence'? Is it in the middle of the road like a cattle grid, or along the edge of the road? A single pole with the device on it? Or is it 2 poles on opposite sides of the road with devices mounted one them? Or is it a series of poles along both sides of the

[talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags

Hi I have commented at Changeset: 111016252 way 304507133 has been changed from bicycle yes to bicycle no, I rode it today and saw no signage indicating this, this changeset has 88 ways with the comment "updates". A random survey shows lots of bicycle yes and designated removed. Lots of c

Re: [talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags

Hi all HighRouleur has replied at https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/111016252 "In case you weren’t aware, Victorian roads rules state that riding not a footpath is not permitted. Hence there does not need to be a sign to indicate no bikes. The only exception apply to shared paths (bik

Re: [talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags

In regards to your changeset comment: "I doubt that means that all paths are footpaths unless otherwise signed." Generally speaking, yes, they are. In the absence of one of these signs Hi all http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s250.html ROAD SAFETY ROAD RULES 20

Re: [talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags

I have looked back at months of changesets by this user. Nearly all involve retagging which is at best arguable and at worst wrong. It appears to be largely done from satellite images and not survey. The largest category is changes of paths, (typically not those beside roads, not what are g

Re: [talk-au] Albert Park Grand Prix Track

I can't find a similar equivalent in Australia to compare it to (not a big petrol-head) but Monaco, for example, doesn't have a raceway drawn across its roads, just a relation. Hi maybe this example helps Relation: Mount Panorama Circuit (6942508) Tony

Re: [talk-au] Shared driveways

Hi The possibility of retagging user HighRouleur's highway= service service=driveway ways to highway= service service=driveway driveway=pipestem occurred to me as well. But I have never heard of a pipestem before. Maybe its something that is only done in the US? My thought was that if I d

Re: [talk-au] Shared driveways

"so why isn't it just a simple highway=residential?" in this case https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/203549225 either highway=service or highway=residential are OK with me highway=service can be achieved by reversion in this case and there are approximately 5000 ways to deal with. Not all are l

Re: [talk-au] Shared driveways

Hi I see that you have named the driveways. How does this sit with https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Name_is_the_name_only ? Tony On Thu, 23 Sept 2021 at 20:17, Tom Brennan wrote: Graeme - are you saying that you are tagging them all the same? Just as separate ways? Yep. Here'

Re: [talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags

Hi This matter has been referred to the DWG Tony Hey all, Sorry to be a tattle-tale, but this user's behaviour is continuing, despite increasing demands on them to engage. https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=11210886 In the most recent conversation, they have converted

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

Hi Sebastian Welcome to talk-au A NOTE FOR NON-AUSTRALIANS reading this a UK pavement or a US sidewalk is an Australian footpath I agree with Graeme Fitzpatrick's opinion tha

[talk-au] Re-tagging issues

Hi Sebastian Thanks for splitting off [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths. I have grouped together a number of remaining issues here lest they get overlooked. There are a few other issues that have been raised at https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=11210886 It w

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

Hi all I am thinking that unless we pay a lawyer and get a legal opinion we will never be sure what the law is. Given that uncertainty we have two principles to choose from, I'll call them the "precautionary principle" and the "somebody else's problem" principle. (Maybe better called the

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

Sebastian Now that the DWG has made a ruling on bicycle=no, I am keen to restore Birdsland's bike paths. The Shire of Yarra Ranges, the owner, is proud of them https://www.yarraranges.vic.gov.au/Experience/Parks-Recreation/Birdsland-Reserve and list bicycle paths among its features, further s

Re: [talk-au] Basic question

Hi If you were told this by changeset comment, can you give the URL? Tony Hi everyone I am a basic OSM editor. I usually just correct obvious map errors I find while hiking/cycling. I have tried to be a little more ambitious every now and then, but I have found it can be quite difficult to keep

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

Hi Sebastian wants to assist with correction of his tagging errors, I recommended the JOSM reverter plugin. However at https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/111016252 he writes: "I tried to install JOSM but it’s not signed for the latest Mac OSX so won’t let me install it" Can a M

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

Adam Spotting these and knowing how far back to revert to might be tricky I guess? eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/47771844/history Yes. I have never been involved in a reversion so complex and it worries me too. I presume they should be reverted in reverse date order, ie most recent

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

Hi all There are 15,000 changes to consider over 651 changesets Does this sound OK? Start reversions at his #641 Revert in this order: Sebastian's Changeset #comment 641 112030682#Changing shared paths to foothpaths 640 111889860#updates to cycling permission 639 111889673#

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

Yes Andrew I would be happy to work with you. We are still under a 15km limit, probably going to a 25km limit in 2 weeks. I can get to maybe half of the area now for ground truthing and probably 90% in 2 weeks. Tony I guess there would be nearly 0% chance that you would be able to cleanly r

Re: [talk-au] Source material.

Hi Andrew Speaking as another relatively inexperienced editor, don't be too disheartened. "I used MapShareVic" It takes a bit of getting used to but OSM is very fussy about allowable sources. There are good arguments for why. It can be frustrating when you have a perfectly good source tha

Re: [talk-au] Source material.

Hi "Where can we get source material for Victorian State Forests" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Resources https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Imports Tony Thanks Ben Where can we get source material for Victorian State Forests, National Parks etc? Regards

Re: [talk-au] Source material.

PS https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue Thanks Ben Where can we get source material for Victorian State Forests, National Parks etc? Regards Andrew Parker ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On 18 Oct 2021, 09:23, at 09:23, Ben Kelley wrote: Hi. We need to be very care

[talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

Hi I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs MOR507 node=429407299 not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park Is https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44ad

Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

Hi I think that, because its a emergency marker, its important to get it right. Its a HighRouler edit so we will have to decide what, if anything, to do with it. Its been at London Bridge for 12 years, recently moved to a point 100m north. But I am not allowed to "know" that the two locati

Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

Not sure how much we can trust any of these. I assume these markers are visible signs/posts at the roadside and can be surveyed? Adam Adam Sorry for the delay. Yes, they are visible signs/posts at the roadside and can be surveyed. I have put a photo of one in Victoria Australia at https://wiki

Re: [talk-au] Vic State Forest Boundary Files

Hi Is there any chance, or point, of including https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers in an ambit request? Tony Hi Andrew, yes, happy to take it on. Is there a template for data requests online somewhere that explains why the waiver is needed, that I can use as an exam

Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National Park)

Hi all This also came up in 2015, https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2015-July/010619.html The consensus, which I was not happy with, was "if it exists then map it". I volunteer with a park Friends Group and see things more from a Parks Service perspective. There are usually

Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National Park)

Hi Frederik, Thorsten 1. "a park manager would prefer them not to, and therefore deletes the track in order to keep people from exercising their rights". Does this happen, has it ever happened? I would be surprised if it happened here. Anyway its not what I thought we were talking about,

Re: [talk-au] "Removing closed or illegal trails." (in Nerang National Park)

Thanks Dian Your tagging suggestion might work, I'll suggest it to Parks Vic, Lysterfield next week. Tony I think you've struck the central issue here: if it is on the ground, it will get mapped again, and again and again by editors who think that the path is merely missing, not consciously

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: : Re: "Removing closed or illegal trails."

Displaying a closed trail on a map (like OSM) does NOT cause people to navigate that trail. Such behavior is completely up to the individual who "concludes" from reading said map "hey, I'm going to hike that closed trail anyway." (Bzzzt; fail, human logic). OSM is not responsible for h

Re: [talk-au] Suburbs: Nodes, Areas, or both?

Quoting Simon Poole : PS: wondering why Gruyere has that name. Good question. The town is named for a variety of cheese, as the area's history is in the dairy industry. Cahillton Post Office first opened on 20 August 1892. It was renamed Gruyere in 1950 and closed in 1960 Wikipedia Tony

Re: [talk-au] Proposed features/Snow chains

Hi My impression in Victoria is that the chain fitting and chains required locations move up and down the mountain with the weather and that there's very little that can be mapped. Tony Hi all, For the NSW and Victorian snowfield mappers, user Trapicki has submitted a comprehensive snow ch

Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

Hi This subject was discussed in October. The dataset they are sharing is likely to be https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28 and it was determined that we do not have the right licence to use this data. I say likely to be the same

Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

Further If the marker looks the same as the bottom photo of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point then the dataset is https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28 Tony Hi This subject was discussed

Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

Phil Good idea, totally off topic but, go to https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-37.9088066&lng=145.3647858&z=17&pKey=246259583949249&focus=photo and press play you get an animation of Puffing Billy crossing the historic trestle bridge at Selby. Sorry I didn't see any markers but someone

[talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

Hi If you have rights to that photo and you are going to tag highway=emergency_access_point its worth putting the photo on the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point As you say with a 3 letter prefix PBM010 it looks like it was intended at some stage f

Re: [talk-au] Unconnected ways

Hi all A similar problem with a nature walk, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/360672204 it appears to be unconnected to anything. In reality it is leading off a mown picnic area. What is rendering green there is the natural=wood. Maybe that wood should be converted to a relation with

[talk-au] Wanderer.Earth

Hi all You may recall our discussions with HighRouleur and tagging bicycle=no. I have noticed another user flushmainac with a similar editing pattern. flushmainac is quite open that they are editing as part of a quest, Wanderer.Earth I checked 3 of flushmainac's edits this afternoon that we

Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria

Ian I showed my friends, their response was: "when do we start?" Tony Hi folks, for everyone interested in OpenStreetMap's fantastic road data… I've just posted a series of blogs about unsealed roads in Victoria. I've pitched it at cyclists rather than mappers to widen the audience, but you

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths

Hi Nev I am encouraged by Guy's response. If Parks NSW can be persuaded to funnel all/most such map changes through one person like Guy it could be good. Invite him to join talk-au so he can understand why illegal tracks are such a difficult problem for Parks and OSM. Eventually it woul

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths

thanks for compiling the walking tracks page ... It would be good to extend this later on to have separate pages for walking tracks, vehicle tracks and MTB paths, since these issues keep coming up on the forum. Good idea, ... Vehicle tracks should be less controversial and easier. MTB paths is

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths

ighway> highway= <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath> path, but the walking track page mentions that tag regularly ? what is the differentiation? From: Andrew Harvey Sent: Monday, 24 January 2022 10:54 PM To: talk OSM Australian List Cc: Tony Forster ; n

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