Re: [Talk-ca] Cleanup of addr:country, addr:province, addr:state

2018-02-19 Thread john whelan
a, ON" > (Canadian Tire Center). > > As far as I know, within the City of Ottawa, everyone's postal address > uses the pre-amalgamted city names while the city hasn't yet finished > de-duplicating street names. So addr:city should probably be filled in > accordingly.

Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

2018-02-28 Thread john whelan
Similar to does not mean the same unless it is the TB Open Data license but I suspect it predates that one. Given that Stats Canada has said it will make the data available through the Federal Government's Open Data portal real soon now I suspect that an email from the city even to yourself would

Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

2018-02-28 Thread john whelan
If I look at OpenStreetMap at Brandon there seems to be most buildings have been mapped. https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Brandon%20canada#map=14/49.8381/-99.9503 They don't align perfectly with Bing but they aren't too bad. If you ask nicely someone could pick them up and move them ov

Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

2018-02-28 Thread john whelan
s accessible or not and ensure they are mapped before your event. Cheerio John On 28 February 2018 at 19:26, john whelan wrote: > If I look at OpenStreetMap at Brandon there seems to be most buildings > have been mapped. > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Brandon%20canada

Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

2018-03-01 Thread john whelan
Looking at Brandon in OpenStreetMap many buildings are mapped but there isn't much detail. Stats was after things like the number of levels, house number, street name, is the building commerical, residential, apartment. There are some 70 or 80 different tags used for buildings in taginfo. At the

[Talk-ca] Building_Canada_2020

2018-03-01 Thread john whelan
The wiki talks about grand ideas. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020 But what it doesn't do is give examples of how to enrich the building outlines. When I spoke to Stats Canada it was the enrichment that was the most valuable How many churches are there

[Talk-ca] Brandon licensing

2018-03-03 Thread john whelan
enstreetmap.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Talk-ca digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Re: Manitoba buil

Re: [Talk-ca] Brandon licensing

2018-03-03 Thread john whelan
eerio John On 3 March 2018 at 10:57, Steve Singer wrote: > On Sat, 3 Mar 2018, john whelan wrote: > > > This brings me to the conclusion after all these discussions something >> similar to what SteveA-2009 mentioned. >> Instead of having OSM conform to these licenses, would

Re: [Talk-ca] Brandon licensing

2018-03-03 Thread john whelan
uot;Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > On 2018-03-03 11:59 AM, john whelan wrote: > > > > I assume you're not Canadian. > > Umm, Steve is one of the longest-standing Canadian OSM contributors. I > think he's the admin of talk-ca too … > > > All data released th

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

2018-03-06 Thread john whelan
I was involved in getting the Ottawa Open Data building outlines into OSM working with Stats Canada. Based on that experience you need to go through some steps.. Step one concerns the license. Regional Municipality of Durham open data license almost certainly has not been approved by the LWG. T

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

2018-03-07 Thread john whelan
ob to the exact municipal Open Data license 2.0 that TB drew up. Many Thanks John On 7 March 2018 at 13:24, Rob Halko wrote: > Thanks for your help John, > > > > Is this the license we should be looking at adopting: > https://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada? > &

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Footprint Upload to OSM

2018-03-08 Thread john whelan
>> In the past the local variants of the OGL Canada have varied widely >> and have in some cases included additional terms that have made them >> incompatible with the ODbL and in some instances non-open. For this >> reason we are not making a blanket statement on other such localised >> versions

Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

2018-03-08 Thread john whelan
The most useful thing you could do is add tags to the existing buildings. Levels, is it residential, commercial etc. I take it you've looked at http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/91 and found it wasn't what you were after? The area that is tiled can be set up in another project. What do you requir

Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

2018-03-08 Thread john whelan
I think Matthew or James are the people to talk to. I suspect it might take them an hour or so which means there is an excellent chance of it being made available before March 29th. Cheerio John On 8 Mar 2018 2:04 pm, "Jonathan Brown" wrote: > If we could clone the http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/pr

Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

2018-03-09 Thread john whelan
to “add meaning to the geographic objects” (https://taginfo. > openstreetmap.org/about) the students will be mapping on March 29 based > on their local knowledge. > > > > Jonathan > > > > *From: *James > *Sent: *Friday, March 9, 2018 11:02 AM > *To: *Jonathan B

Re: [Talk-ca] Cleanup of addr:country, addr:province, addr:state

2018-03-10 Thread john whelan
For Ontario I would suggest following the post office guidelines for province and using ON rather than a mixture of ON and Ontario. That way it makes it easier to find an address since you just need to search for ON. Currently you would need to search for both variations. Cheerio John On 8 Mar 2

Re: [Talk-ca] Cleanup of addr:country, addr:province, addr:state

2018-03-10 Thread john whelan
utils et listes d'objets à > corriger un peu comme le fait Osmose et autres outils de QA. > > > Pierre > > > Le samedi 10 mars 2018 13:53:35 HNE, john whelan > a écrit : > > > For Ontario I would suggest following the post office guidelines for > province and

Re: [Talk-ca] Poorly drawn buildings #GEOG231-W18; #BC2020; #UCalgary-GEOG231; #BC2020-UCalgary

2018-03-19 Thread john whelan
I think Pierre has already identified the problem some time ago and it has been raised with Stat Can and others who are involved with BC2020 not that anyone admits to being responsible for BC2020 and Geoweek. So hopefully we won't be adding more low quality buildings. Cheerio John On 19 March 201

Re: [Talk-ca] Poorly drawn buildings #GEOG231-W18; #BC2020; #UCalgary-GEOG231; #BC2020-UCalgary

2018-03-21 Thread john whelan
uplicates. Using ID editor. There appears to be an ongoing > problem here. > On 2018-03-19 10:53 AM, john whelan wrote: > > I think Pierre has already identified the problem some time ago and it has > been raised with Stat Can and others who are involved with BC2020 not that > anyone

[Talk-ca] Tagging buildings a detached house with a granny flat

2018-03-21 Thread john whelan
Over the garage. Any suggestions? Thanks John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices

2018-03-23 Thread john whelan
So firefox would be fine? Thanks John On 23 March 2018 at 11:12, James wrote: > depends if you are using chrome or not, seems like a mixed content > error(tm is http and osm is https) chrome now blocks mixed content. > > Last time I tried to enable HTTPS on TM2 it broke syncing with JOSM as it

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices

2018-03-23 Thread john whelan
Is there a browser that works? Thanks John On 23 March 2018 at 11:20, James wrote: > tested on ff, same issue boundary box no longer shows > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:18 AM john whelan, wrote: > >> So firefox would be fine? >> >> Thanks John >> >&g

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices

2018-03-23 Thread john whelan
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_that_could_be_mapped It's a bit understated but adding the type of building terrace, detached etc and the number of stories is of great interest. House numbers as well if not present. This is all boots on the gr

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices

2018-03-23 Thread john whelan
So one way would be to teach a subset of JOSM? I had Carlton mapathon with new mappers do building outlines in JOSM, its very simple, fast and accurate a much better tool than iD for building outlines. However it does need JAVA on the machine and a few minutes set up. Question to Jonathon who do

Re: [Talk-ca] Trans-Canada Highway research

2018-03-26 Thread john whelan
Locally we call it the 417 and my understanding is local names are used in OSM. You can use alternative names but to me trans canada highway is a collection of local roads paid for locally. Cheerio John On 26 March 2018 at 11:45, Viajero Perdido < viajero.perdido.spam.buc...@gmail.com> wrote: >

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Open Data and Data Mirroring

2018-03-29 Thread john whelan
Data licensing issues are best dealt with on osm talk mailing list talk@ openstreetmap.org. talk-ca has no authority over them. Governments are not a single entity. In Ottawa there are at least three parts of the City that handle geo data. They are not in sync. OpenStreetMap in general is abou

Re: [Talk-ca] Question

2018-04-27 Thread john whelan
Post codes are put in one at a time. They aren't all there. If you could help clean them up that would be useful. Zip codes are different and belong in Donald's land. Cheerio John On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, 5:01 pm Pier Luc, wrote: > Hello, I live in Quebec City. I tried to use OSMand (based on

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020i and Wikidata

2018-06-01 Thread john whelan
I think it depends on what you are trying to do. There are two parts to BC2020i the first is map the buildings the second is enrich the buildings with tags. The first part can be done best by importing Open Data if the licenses align and at the moment few do and of those that do not all have accu

[Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020 (BC2020i) Microsoft has released 120, 000, 000 building outlines for the US

2018-07-12 Thread john whelan
I'm not sure what the implications are but hopefully they'll do Canada soon. OSM-weekly. Cheerio John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca

[Talk-ca] Help please in Ottawa on bike repair stations

2018-07-13 Thread john whelan
The city has been adding a fair number of these recently. I've added a few to the map locally but I feel we are missing some. The city has the locations listed here: https://ottawa.ca/en/residents/transportation-and-parking/cycling/bike-parking-and-repair-stands#locations-bike-repair-stations-ci

[Talk-ca] sharrows

2018-07-14 Thread john whelan
Ottawa has been adding these on one side of the highway and a cycle lane in the other. How should they be mapped? ​Specifically how do you map the pure cycle lane in one direction and the Sharrow in the other? Thanks John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-

Re: [Talk-ca] sharrows

2018-07-14 Thread john whelan
the normal way. > > Martin Chalifoux > *E* martin.chalif...@icloud.com > *C* 514-233-9701 > > On Jul 14, 2018, at 14:44, john whelan wrote: > > Ottawa has been adding these on one side of the highway and a cycle lane > in the other. > > How should they be mapped?

Re: [Talk-ca] sharrows

2018-07-14 Thread john whelan
something like cycleway:forward=shared_lane, cycleway:backward=lane > > On 14 July 2018 at 20:44, john whelan wrote: > > Ottawa has been adding these on one side of the highway and a cycle lane > in > > the other. > > > > How should they be mapped? > > >

Re: [Talk-ca] sharrows

2018-07-15 Thread john whelan
sorted Thanks John On 14 July 2018 at 15:18, James wrote: > https://github.com/BikeOttawa/OSM-Bike-Ottawa-Tagging-Guide/ > blob/master/README.md > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 2:47 PM john whelan, wrote: > >> Ottawa has been adding these on one side of the highway and a cycle

Re: [Talk-ca] Montréal: Inconsistency in Public Transportation Provider's Name

2018-08-12 Thread john whelan
Good heavens you mean we should spell out OCtranspo as Ottawa Carleton Transpo in case any American tourists get confused? Unfortunately the locals will probably get confused with this and whilst we should cater to these foreign tourists I think what is on the signs locally will be less confusing

Re: [Talk-ca] Montréal: Inconsistency in Public Transportation Provider's Name

2018-08-12 Thread john whelan
ring a map. We seem to continue to do that here > in talk-ca, talk-us and so on. Thank you. > > SteveA > California > > > On Aug 12, 2018, at 2:17 PM, john whelan wrote: > > > > Good heavens you mean we should spell out OCtranspo as Ottawa Carleton > Transpo in c

Re: [Talk-ca] GitHub app for BC2020i Challenge

2018-09-06 Thread john whelan
It looks pretty but misses the detail in the magic step then a miracle occurs. Currently wind is the cheapest renewable energy source. Off shore works well but the central area of North America works fine. Unfortunately New York, Toronto, Montreal were all established in relatively wind free are

Re: [Talk-ca] GitHub app for BC2020i Challenge

2018-09-06 Thread john whelan
nada/Building_Canada_2020 > > If there is something wrong with that wiki (John Whelan, you have > described its history both here in talk-ca and to me via private email any > number of times), then re-write it. I think it is at least a start to > describe what you (Canada) are trying

Re: [Talk-ca] GitHub app for BC2020i Challenge

2018-09-06 Thread john whelan
populated. Cheerio John On 6 September 2018 at 16:39, OSM Volunteer stevea < stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > On Sep 6, 2018, at 1:14 PM, john whelan wrote > (replying to me, stevea): > > > Hm, we tried to revive the wiki, a tried-and-true OSM methodology for > doing E

[Talk-ca] counting buildings - ( 2020 project ) - help please.

2018-09-12 Thread john whelan
One problems with this mapping project is it is difficult to see how many have been mapped. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020 So I've been playing. The .OSM data structure does not lend it self easily to this sort of thing. In particular you don't know

Re: [Talk-ca] counting buildings - ( 2020 project ) - help please.

2018-09-12 Thread john whelan
wait a few seconds. The data are returned > visually and you can export them in various formats (raw OSM data, GeoJSON, > GPX, KML). Look to the left column to see how easy the tags are and read > our wiki on OT for rich and rewarding documentation. > > Have fun, > > SteveA &

[Talk-ca] Buildings in Ottawa after the Statistics Canada project. BC 2020?

2018-09-16 Thread john whelan
These are very much round numbers and it depends a little exactly what you count as Ottawa. We have some 300,000 ways mapped as buildings, 280,000 have addr: house numbers and street names. I think the majority have been imported. Nominatim will find buildings that do not have a street name asso

Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: BC2020i - update Sept 2018

2018-09-17 Thread john whelan
Just a comment Alessandro is not a dedicated project manager but rather the person that the project manager reports to. Currently in addition to his normal job he is also acting in the position above his so he really is doing two jobs at once. Bjenk was the project manager who pulled the project

Re: [Talk-ca] Hydro Network (inland water) question

2018-09-27 Thread john whelan
If you're Canadian then you are probably aware that the NRCAN Geobase data is collected from various sources including provincial some are more accurate than others some data is probably thirty or more years old. Canada is very large and we have a lot of water. We don't have the same number of map

Re: [Talk-ca] Hydro Network (inland water) question

2018-09-27 Thread john whelan
, it > > does, can and will get better. It takes time, it takes dedication, > > it takes good communication, it takes people working well > > together. Largely speaking (and Canada isn't large, it's HUGE!), so > > far, so good. > > > > Encouragingly

Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

2018-10-21 Thread John Whelan
Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the correct license either separately or a note added to each entry.  I have noticed before there is no authority listed on the wiki. Cheerio John Дмитрий Киселев wrote on 2018-10-21 10:28 AM: About source, I suppose it's https:/

[Talk-ca] Microsoft Soundscape / WeeklyOSM 430

2018-10-21 Thread John Whelan
  It's under HOT "The English city St Albans" and its to do with navigation for the blind using OpenStreetMap. I know Ottawa is fairly well mapped but what does the map need to make it more useful?  Anyone know? Thanks John ___ Talk-ca mailing list

[Talk-ca] Dartmouthmapmaker

2018-11-01 Thread john whelan
I've discussed the Open Data side with them but I think they could do with a bit of guidence on the tagging side. Could someone ideally more local than I point them gently towards map features and more standard tagging? I must confess my knowledge of tagging is a little limited to highways and bu

Re: [Talk-ca] Dartmouthmapmaker

2018-11-01 Thread john whelan
the simple act of reading > OSM's built-in wiki documentation is one of the best, if not THE best > starting point. Of course, talk- mailing lists, our forum and many other > sources of advice/documentation/help are available, too. > > Regards. > SteveA > California > > >

Re: [Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes sur les immeubles

2018-11-01 Thread John Whelan
I think on the OSM side we probably need to think this one through and get organised. In Ottawa on the first import we went through all the steps to do the import including getting agreement with the local mappers and we were very fortunate in having an organised team of competent local mapper

Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

2018-11-01 Thread John Whelan
, 21 окт. 2018 г. в 11:52, John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>>: Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the correct license either separately or a note added to each entry.  I have noticed before there is no authority listed on the wiki.

Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

2018-11-01 Thread John Whelan
Are you confusing the availability of Open Data with an import?  Most imports need plans but just because Open Data is available does not mean the license is compatible nor that it will be imported. My feeling is the wiki page lists open data and indicates if the license is compatible. We do

Re: [Talk-ca] Enablers and Barriers for Voluntary Participation in Crowdsourcing Platforms

2018-11-02 Thread John Whelan
My feeling is OpenStreetMap has two sides. The first is local adding local knowledge to the map.  The other I'll call armchair mapping.  When Stats Canada did the pilot it tapped the local Ottawa mappers who meet physically. I would agree that amongst mappers with the most edits there is a hig

Re: [Talk-ca] Enablers and Barriers for Voluntary Participation in Crowdsourcing Platforms

2018-11-02 Thread john whelan
s qui risquent de ne jamais être corrigées. > > voir > fr https://opendatalabrdc.github.io/Blog/#!index_fr.md > en https://opendatalabrdc.github.io/Blog/#!index_en.md > > > > > > > > Pierre > > > Le vendredi 2 novembre 2018 12 h 31 min 59 s HAE, John Whelan < &g

[Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-02 Thread john whelan
This is just a formal post to get a feel. In Ottawa the building outlines were of high quality and I feel have enriched the map. If we do should we consider it one project across the country or leave it to the local chapters to make the decision? I'm thinking that Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver ce

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-02 Thread John Whelan
t them all to be having same level of accuracy) The two I've been eye balling are Kingston and Rimouski which seem to be very accurate at first assessment. If we do want to import them, a formal draft up will have to be done though On Fri., Nov. 2, 2018, 3:53 p.m. john whelan &

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-02 Thread John Whelan
/modified thousands of them (Canvec buildings) and I would not like to see all of them coming back. Daniel *From:*James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, November 2, 2018 16:07 *To:* john whelan *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-02 Thread John Whelan
So to paraphrase your reply.  A centralised import plan in the wiki which says the data is approved for import and should be tackled in chunks of some sort of region since we are a decentralized organization.  Which I think is similar to the way Task Manager works.  The project is broken int

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-02 Thread John Whelan
ill help areas where we have no technical expertise. On 2018-11-02 6:58 p.m., John Whelan wrote: So to paraphrase your reply.  A centralised import plan in the wiki which says the data is approved for import and should be tackled in chunks of some sort of region since we are a decentr

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-04 Thread john whelan
ilable for this > > On Fri., Nov. 2, 2018, 7:32 p.m. John Whelan >> This approach seems very sensible however Pierre has raised the issue of >> poorly mapped buildings and we are aware that some were mapped in a >> mapathon environment so whilst Ottawa used a "leave e

Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 129, Issue 15

2018-11-05 Thread john whelan
>Someone already did Regina! and that is an issue and why we need to get this lot formalised quickly before someone starts talking about imports being done without the correct license. Cheerio John On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 10:15, keith hartley wrote: > Someone already did Regina! > > On Mon, Nov

Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 129, Issue 15

2018-11-05 Thread John Whelan
My personal view is if we have a process that follows the rules available then at least there is more chance they will be followed and edits will not be reversed. I might note the buildings in Regina have amazing similar outlines to the ones made available via the Stats Canada file but I reall

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-05 Thread John Whelan
n Sun, Nov 4, 2018, 16:48 john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: I've started the process off by an introductory post to the import mailing list and we are working on a wiki page which will be based on the Stat Canada City of Ottawa import wiki page. Cheerio

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-05 Thread John Whelan
Sounds good to me.  At least we have raised the issue and discussed it. Cheerio John James wrote on 2018-11-05 3:17 PM: As "Frederick Ramm" would say having external IDs is pointless when you can do a spatial join to see what is there and what is not On Nov. 5, 2018 3:05 p.m., &q

[Talk-ca] Stats Canada building outline import plan

2018-11-06 Thread john whelan
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Canada_Stats_Canada_Building_Outlines_Import/Plan I've formally submitted it to the imports mailing list for comments and comments are invited here for the next two weeks. After that the plan is to start the import process. Thanks John

[Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-19 Thread john whelan
Locally some paths across parks etc are snow cleared some aren't. The ones that are are useful for cycling in the winter. Any suggestions on tags? Thanks John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/t

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-19 Thread john whelan
Sounds perfect. Thanks John On Mon, 19 Nov 2018, 5:07 pm Yaro Shkvorets winter_service=yes|no seems perfectly fine: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Awinter_service > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 4:54 PM john whelan wrote: > >> Locally some paths across parks etc

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-19 Thread John Whelan
ndonné l'hiver dernier suite à l'ouverture d'une nouvelle route). Dans ce deuxième cas, cette tant le service que la piste n'existent que l'hiver. Les clés OSM utilisées pour les décrire sont ice_road=yes surface=ice Pierre Le lundi 19 novembre 2018 17 h 20 min 53 s HNE, john

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-20 Thread John Whelan
n map features that uses the seasonal tag? Thanks John Amos Hayes wrote on 2018-11-20 10:20 AM: FYI, the Ottawa cycling community is using "seasonal=no" on pathways to indicate winter maintenance. -- Amos On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 19:01, John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com&

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-20 Thread John Whelan
r for example) On Tue., Nov. 20, 2018, 10:51 a.m. John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean.  Paths that not cleared are tagged seasonal=no or tags that are cleared get the tag seasonal=no? The default on winter_service is yes

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-20 Thread john whelan
it's been linked before: >> >> https://github.com/BikeOttawa/OSM-Bike-Ottawa-Tagging-Guide/blob/master/README.md >> >> On Tue., Nov. 20, 2018, 10:55 a.m. John Whelan > wrote: >> >>> Which means more tags on the map but at least you can see which are &g

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-20 Thread john whelan
review perhaps? Thanks Cheerio John On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 10:57, James wrote: > I know it's been linked before: > > https://github.com/BikeOttawa/OSM-Bike-Ottawa-Tagging-Guide/blob/master/README.md > > On Tue., Nov. 20, 2018, 10:55 a.m. John Whelan wrote: > >> Whi

[Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020

2018-11-22 Thread john whelan
The wiki page currently has a very wide range of information which might be too much for a casual mapper to digest. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020 There are two parts mapping the building outlines and enriching the data. Since the project has started

Re: [Talk-ca] Citizen to Government data partnerships

2018-11-22 Thread john whelan
Based on my own experience Government Open Data and OpenStreetMap have very different cultures and work in different time frames. Licensing has been an issue, it only took five years to get the license for the GTFS local bus stops changed so we could import them but I think we are moving forward.

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers

2018-11-22 Thread john whelan
So what do we need? A hook of some type to build on? An inventory of buildings for climate change planning? I understand in many cities some 80% of apartment buildings are forty years old now and identifying them and upgrading them would help with climate change emissions. Unfortunately they te

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers

2018-11-22 Thread John Whelan
t CivicTech Toronto Meetup last Tuesday someone pointed out David MacKay’s book Sustainable Energy: Without Hot Air https://withouthotair.com/ Jonathan *From: *john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> *Sent: *Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:46 PM *To: *Jonathan Brown <mailto:jonab...@g

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers

2018-11-24 Thread John Whelan
rnational tourism with OpenStreetMap". The project's acronym is: "BoostOSM" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Life_Long_Learning_Mapping_Project Jonathan *From: *John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> *Sent: *Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:08 PM *To: *Jonatha

Re: [Talk-ca] Multiple university departments in one building

2018-11-28 Thread john whelan
Have a look at OSMand and see what it looks like. Generally it is considered bad practise to map for the renderer. As an alternative take a look at Place d'Orleans shopping center in Orleans Ontario each unit is mapped in outline with the appropriate tags added. If you look at mapping a building

[Talk-ca] Local groups?

2018-12-10 Thread john whelan
Microsoft have released building outline data for the US. I have heard rumours that they will be releasing a few for Canada. I'm not proposing to import them at this point but these days importing is its own speciality and it needs a mixture of technical skills and boots on the ground or at least

Re: [Talk-ca] Local groups? Digest, Vol 130, Issue 4

2018-12-11 Thread john whelan
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[Talk-ca] Voting for the two OSMF board positions

2018-12-15 Thread John Whelan
Of the 1057 voters in this election, 680 cast ballots. Tobias Knerr and Joost Schouppe have been elected. There has been some discussion about the number of board members with HOT connections, my understanding is currently the board has a couple of past presidents of HOT on it. OSMF only has

[Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-18 Thread john whelan
I know of no other way to contact him but he made an interesting comment that the project is on hold in the wiki pending review. Would he care to comment on who is supposed to be reviewing the project? My understanding is that the import was raised in talk-ca before it commenced for comment and t

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-18 Thread john whelan
er, if my critiques are adequately addressed, then I will leave you to > finish the project in peace. I might even lend a hand if all goes well, as > I sincerely hope it does :-) > > Best, > Nate Wessel > Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning >

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-18 Thread john whelan
And that is a problem with imports. Traditionally or the party line is if its been mapped already then to preserve the history you either leave it alone or manually correct it. Manually correcting it is very time consuming. Often the decision is made to leave the existing way in the map. I'm no

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-18 Thread john whelan
and > you preserve the history, tags and have new improved outline in a couple of > clicks. > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 2:30 PM john whelan wrote: > >> And that is a problem with imports. Traditionally or the party line is >> if its been mapped already then to prese

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-18 Thread John Whelan
experience, from critique, and from the wisdom of the people who've learned from flawed imports in the past and have devised guidelines and processes so that we can have better experiences with this in the future. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-18 Thread John Whelan
James you know I could never resist a dare! Cheerio John James wrote on 2019-01-18 4:03 PM: dare you to run simplify tool on anything remotely round, it will make it look like garbage On Fri., Jan. 18, 2019, 3:49 p.m. John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: The import m

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-18 Thread John Whelan
férences culturelles Québec vs Canada en général et que les contributeurs du Québec ne fréquentent pratiquement pas cette liste, vous ne devriez pas prendre pour acquis que vous représentez cette communauté et pouvez démarrer des projets en son nom. Pierre Le vendredi 18 janvier 2019 13 h 1

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-19 Thread John Whelan
;http://natewessel.com> On 1/18/19 3:48 PM, John Whelan wrote: The import mailing list was pointed to the correct page of the wiki.  The initial post was to say this is what we were thinking of and there was a comment saying we needed to change the comment line. >There is no mention of t

[Talk-ca] (no subject)

2019-01-19 Thread john whelan
There was an earlier discussion on talk-ca about how to handle this project. It is similar to CANVEC in the original data sources are municipal data CANVEC uses a few other sources as well and it is released under exactly the same license but by a different federal government department. There a

[Talk-ca] 2020 building import

2019-01-19 Thread john whelan
ll in talk-ca but remember some time has passed since they were made. Certainly Nate for one was not around in talk-ca when the matter was discussed. Cheerio John On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 15:40, OSM Volunteer stevea < stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > On Jan 19, 2019, at 10:48 AM, john

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-19 Thread john whelan
It appears the original discussion on talk-ca was missed by many. There appears to be an issue of local buy-in but I think for the moment we should first concentrate on the problems we expect to see. The building outlines we imported in Ottawa predated the Bing imagery I suspect. So first off wh

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-19 Thread john whelan
So my interpretation is we save about 9% by simplifying? However does it mean we probably do need to verify the before and after manually? Would someone care to comment on if we would need to manually look at the before and after and if 9% savings would be significant? My personal feeling would

[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap, education and the buildings

2019-01-19 Thread John Whelan
From weeklyosm: Education * The new curriculum (pdf) for French high schools states that all students should be introduced to geospatial data usage. One of the e

Re: [Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap, education and the buildings

2019-01-19 Thread John Whelan
Agreed but its part of a trend and perhaps needs a bit of planning. Cheerio John James wrote on 2019-01-19 8:46 PM: That's french: France. Not french: Québec On Sat., Jan. 19, 2019, 8:44 p.m. John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: From weeklyosm:

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread John Whelan
>they can be brought in from another source with better documentation / attribute tagging. (i.e. City of Toronto?) I understand The City of Toronto Open Data License has been submitted to the OSM Legal Working Group some time ago.  The Federal Government 2.0 license and the City of Ottawa Open

[Talk-ca] Fwd: Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Thread john whelan
We're over the 40 k limit again so I trimmed it. I get the impression that just adding the building outline or even an approximation of a building outline adds value to the map. My own house has a cantilever on the back so the upper story extends beyond the basement outline. It also has a porch

Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Building imports wiki page

2019-01-24 Thread john whelan
You seem to have made rather large changes without consultation including changing the title of the project. You have also added some value judgments. A number of people were involved in the original and it might have been nice to consult with them before making such drastic changes. The word con

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-01-26 Thread john whelan
I'm not certain how this addresses the concerns raised by Andrew Lester and Pierre Béland, and I seem to recall one other person who expressed concerns. I think it is important that their concerns are addressed. Perhaps they would be kind enough to comment on whether or not this approach addresse

[Talk-ca] Stats Can building import

2019-01-26 Thread John Whelan
Currently we seem to be at the point where some on the mailing list feel there wasn't enough discussion on talk-ca before the import. Quebec I think we should put on one side until theQuebec mappers feel more comfortable. Nate I feel has been involved in a smaller import before and in that c

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