[OSM-legal-talk] CouchDB: Software Licenses under ODbL

2012-07-25 Per discussione ScubbX
Hello! While writing my master-thesis, I stumbled upon an interesting problem: When I save a set of OSM data to a CouchDB, a database is created. Now, I add a couchapp ( http://couchapp.org/page/index) to this database. Since the used files are stored in the same database as database-content,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CouchDB: Software Licenses under ODbL

2012-07-25 Per discussione ScubbX
Hello, again! According to 2.4 in the ODbL, there should not be any big problems. (The individual items of the Contents contained in this Database my be covered by other rights, [...] .) Am 2012-07-25 15:33, schrieb ScubbX: Hello! While writing my master-thesis, I stumbled upon an

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CouchDB: Software Licenses under ODbL

2012-07-25 Per discussione Jonathan Harley
On 25/07/12 14:33, ScubbX wrote: Hello! While writing my master-thesis, I stumbled upon an interesting problem: When I save a set of OSM data to a CouchDB, a database is created. Now, I add a couchapp ( http://couchapp.org/page/index) to this database. Since the used files are stored in the

[OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, I'd like to hear the opinion of others in OpenStreetMap about the following situation that Data Working Group has been asked to mediate. The official language in Ukraine is Ukrainian. To the untrained eye there's not much of a difference to Russian but of course the devil is in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Peteris Krisjanis
(Skipping all this, because obviously you are not that well informed about how this situation with Ukraine came into being) So, my questions to you are 1. The concrete question: Should all name tag in the Crimea be in Russian (with appropriate name:uk tags of course), even though the

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Michael Eric Menk
On 07/25/2012 09:42 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Oficial language in Ukraine is Ukrainian. Even Russia doesn't dispute that. So,*in my opinion*, no. In my opinion, if there are multiple languages and there is a dispute, the language on the sign should be the guiding principle. If we look

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Peteris Krisjanis
T , 2012-07-25 10:08 +0200, Michael Eric Menk rakstīja: On 07/25/2012 09:42 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Oficial language in Ukraine is Ukrainian. Even Russia doesn't dispute that. So, *in my opinion*, no. In my opinion, if there are multiple languages and there is a dispute, the language

[OSM-talk] OT (was: Re: Naming disputes in Ukraine)

2012-07-25 Per discussione David Paleino
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:08:25 +0200, Michael Eric Menk wrote: So this sign: http://www.sprakrad.no/upload/11207/porsanger.jpg name=Porsanger kommune name:no=Porsanger kommune name:kvensk=Porsangin komuuni name:si=Porsanggu gielda PS: do not know how to get the non-ASCII char in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Peteris Krisjanis wrote: (Skipping all this, because obviously you are not that well informed about how this situation with Ukraine came into being) Actually I don't think it is particularly relevant in any of these disputes, the thing is simply that OSM is fundamentally 'English' and this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Peteris, On 07/25/2012 09:42 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: (Skipping all this, because obviously you are not that well informed about how this situation with Ukraine came into being) I am trying to get a good picture of the situation, without being dragged into an ethnic conflict that seems

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione LM_1
1. No, in this case Russian name should be in name:ru only. Since the official language is Ukrainian this should be used. 2. The area should not be limited by sq km but by independent administrative body (country or its autonomous part). If there is official language, this should be used, if there

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/25/2012 10:25 AM, Lester Caine wrote: Personally when I look at a map I prefer 'English' names, and so I would anticipate that someone would be helpful and provide an :en translation ... Actually the Ukrainian community is providing a (automatically generated, I believe) English

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Kaj-Michael Lang
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 11:23 +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: I have other question though - maybe we should nuke name=* generic usage (or leave it for English) and stick with name:lang=*? It is very hard to detect what language is used in name=* as you should use outside prererences, etc.

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Peteris Krisjanis wrote: I have other question though - maybe we should nuke name=* generic usage (or leave it for English) and stick with name:lang=*? It is very hard to detect what language is used in name=* as you should use outside prererences, etc. That was the bit that was not quite so

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Malcolm Herring
Our principal product is a street map. A street map is used to navigate in unfamiliar places. The names on the map must correspond with names on a street signs, signposts, etc. so that strangers may verify their position. So it is nothing to do with 'official' languages. The map needs to

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Frederik Ramm wrote: Personally when I look at a map I prefer 'English' names, and so I would anticipate that someone would be helpful and provide an :en translation ... Actually the Ukrainian community is providing a (automatically generated, I believe) English transliteration in the name:en

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Malcolm Herring
Our principal product is a street map. A street map is used to navigate in unfamiliar places. The names on the map must correspond with names on a street signs, signposts, etc. so that strangers may verify their position. So it is nothing to do with 'official' languages. The map needs to

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Malcolm Herring wrote: Our principal product is a street map. A street map is used to navigate in unfamiliar places. The names on the map must correspond with names on a street signs, signposts, etc. so that strangers may verify their position. So it is nothing to do with 'official' languages.

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Vladimir Vyskocil
WHAT OpenStreetMap is not mainly a database, the project produce a rendered map that should be used and usable for real ??? It's not only meant for contributors to show their edits ? ;-) On 25 juil. 2012, at 10:50, Malcolm Herring wrote: Our principal product is a street map. A street map is

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 25/07/12 09:50, Malcolm Herring wrote: Our principal product is a street map. A street map is used to navigate in unfamiliar places. The names on the map must correspond with names on a street signs, signposts, etc. so that strangers may verify their position. Actually our principle

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Malcolm Herring
On 25/07/2012 10:21, Tom Hughes wrote: Actually our principle product is open geodata, not a rendered map. Point taken, but it does not alter my argument that the data in the database should correspond to the world as it is, not the world that we may prefer it to be.

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 37

2012-07-25 Per discussione Volker Schmidt
There has been recently a similar discussion in the Italian OSM talk list. Basically the outcome - I hope I am summing up correctly - is that the name tags in Italy should contain the official names, which in Italy's bi- or sometimes multi-lingual areas appear in several languages on the officio

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Volker Schmidt
There has been recently a similar discussion in the Italian OSM talk list. Basically the outcome - I hope I am summing up correctly - is that the name tags in Italy should contain the official names, which in Italy's bi- or sometimes multi-lingual areas appear in several languages on the official

Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline generation resumed

2012-07-25 Per discussione David Groom
And thanks to you Paul for the data files in the first place. Also I wouldn't want the impression I'm the only one fixing coastline errors, so thanks to the rest of you as well. Just to be clear the error points layer is automatically updated from Paul's files. The other error layers require

Re: [OSM-talk] FYI - Automated edit: footway - sidewalk

2012-07-25 Per discussione Gregory
I object based on the British/American language. I don't have an account on the forum. Why did people tag sidewalk=* ? Maybe they meant something different to the established tag of footway=*. Change footway in America if you have to, but don't go changing it in the UK or other countries. What's

Re: [OSM-talk] Greetings

2012-07-25 Per discussione Gregory
Greetings to you too Chanel, I don't think we've met before but I hope you have been well during your silence. Gregory. On 23 July 2012 22:29, Chanel Malenki cmale...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone. This is to advice you all that my absence from talk does not mean I am not available for

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Miloš Komarčević
Hi, We had similar discussions in Serbia as well, since we need to support two writing systems at the same time (Cyrillic and Latin), and any official ethnic minority languages in areas where they are used. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: Basically the

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione colliar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/07/12 12:39, Volker Schmidt wrote: There has been recently a similar discussion in the Italian OSM talk list. Basically the outcome - I hope I am summing up correctly - is that the name tags in Italy should contain the official names,

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione LM_1
2012/7/25 Miloš Komarčević kmi...@gmail.com: Hi, We had similar discussions in Serbia as well, since we need to support two writing systems at the same time (Cyrillic and Latin), and any official ethnic minority languages in areas where they are used. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:39 AM,

Re: [OSM-talk] FYI - Automated edit: footway - sidewalk

2012-07-25 Per discussione SomeoneElse
Gregory wrote: I don't have an account on the forum. Your standard OSM login should work there I think? Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Peter Wendorff
Am 25.07.2012 14:54, schrieb Miloš Komarčević: Which brings us back to the point Peteris Krisjanis made: name= without the context of a language is somewhat useless from the database point of view, apart from quick and dirty rendering of what is on the ground. +1 But it is useful for quick and

Re: [OSM-talk] FYI - Automated edit: footway - sidewalk

2012-07-25 Per discussione Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:47 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: Gregory wrote: I don't have an account on the forum. Your standard OSM login should work there I think? There's also the whole forums are a PITA factor that mailing lists lack entirely.

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
colliar wrote: I also prefer the name that is on the sign, but we should think about always adding the name with its language tag, too, otherwise it is not clear which language is used and you have to get this information from some other source. I'm coming to a point where I might suggest that

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Jo wrote: Sorry, don't know anything in Wales... Neither do I - I just live near by ... The point I'm trying to make is that the separator might also be important. In Brussels the choice has been made for - . White space always gets a little tricky, but 'displaying' a list of names is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2012-07-25 at 13:54:28 +0100, Miloš Komarčević wrote: name= without the context of a language is somewhat useless from the database point of view, apart from quick and dirty rendering of what is on the ground. it is a single usecase, but it is one that is very useful, and in a significant

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Lester Caine wrote: colliar wrote: I also prefer the name that is on the sign, but we should think about always adding the name with its language tag, too, otherwise it is not clear which language is used and you have to get this information from some other source. I'm coming to a point

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: Lester Caine wrote: colliar wrote: I also prefer the name that is on the sign, but we should think about always adding the name with its language tag, too, otherwise it is not clear which language is used and you have to get this information from some other

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Svavar Kjarrval
I was thinking about roughly the same idea except the process is a bit different. There could be an alternate usage through references. Something like [de] in the name tag could indicate a reference to name:de. A semicolon in the name tag could be used to indicate the order of languages to display

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Aun Yngve Johnsen
In my opinion sorting languages for rendering is the renderer's problem, one can assume that name= tags in countries with a single language is the national language, but for a renderer to understand this, poligons with lang=* or similar must exist (either within OSM or in a separate database)

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Miloš Komarčević
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com wrote: Taking the best of this and previous ideas, I would propose this: *** Data producers *** 1) Deprecate bare tags name, official_name etc. (bare = without ':lang' suffix). 2) Embrace the usage of language

[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Original Message Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:06:56 +0200 From: LM_1 flukas.robot+...@gmail.com To: Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xific...@gmail.com I agree that name data itself should be exclusively in name:lang tags. official names

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Svavar Kjarrval wrote: I was thinking about roughly the same idea except the process is a bit different. There could be an alternate usage through references. Something like [de] in the name tag could indicate a reference to name:de. A semicolon in the name tag could be used to indicate the

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Svavar Kjarrval
I meant a semicomma, sorry. That is, ; - Svavar On 25/07/12 16:24, Lester Caine wrote: Svavar Kjarrval wrote: I was thinking about roughly the same idea except the process is a bit different. There could be an alternate usage through references. Something like [de] in the name tag could

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Svavar Kjarrval
It does fall under OSM's jurisdiction to indicate what the official names are and which are translations. If I'm a tourist in a country, I need to know the names on the signs, not a renderer's guess or my native language's name. If the renderers have to guess, they have to create additional data

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: Actually 'lang' could be populated from a higher level area setting initially? Well, it could be... but I'm not really a fan of this idea, because... You would need to do a spatial query to get the setting from the higher level. And this complicates everything,

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: I understand that it might be a long and complicated task cleaning this up, as 'the entire world' is tagged with name= and only a few regions and places have aditional name:xx It would not take that long to clean this up, but it is something that needs to be done

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Jo
2012/7/25 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: Actually 'lang' could be populated from a higher level area setting initially? Well, it could be... but I'm not really a fan of this idea, because... You would need to do a spatial query to get the setting from the

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Miloš Komarčević
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: lang=it - de = name=Bolzano - Bozen lang=it (de) = name=Bolzano (Bozen) lang=it / de = name=Bolzano / Bozen While I can understand why you propose this, it makes 'decoding' the languages

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Andrew Errington
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 01:35:21 Lester Caine wrote: Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: I understand that it might be a long and complicated task cleaning this up, as 'the entire world' is tagged with name= and only a few regions and places have aditional name:xx It would not take that long to clean

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Aun Yngve Johnsen
I do not agree with you on this, besides, the language polygon I mentioned can solve your desire here. If the renderer knows what is the official language in an area, than you can in theory tuggle freely between that/those official languages and any other language you would desire. For instance

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Lester Caine
Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: While I can understand why you propose this, it makes 'decoding' the languages by tools a little more difficult, Not really, it's a matter of simple regular expression. and 'hard codes' a format, which alternative uses may need to replace? What? That was the

[OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?

2012-07-25 Per discussione Jan Kučera
Can not see anything left here: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php Will officials confirm this? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?

2012-07-25 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Can not see anything left here: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php Will officials confirm this? Mostly. As announced moments ago on rebuild@ by Andy Allan: Hi All, Another step along

Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?

2012-07-25 Per discussione Jan Kučera
Ok so are imports allowed again? 2012/7/25 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Can not see anything left here: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php Will officials confirm this? Mostly.

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 09:33:43AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'd like to hear the opinion of others in OpenStreetMap about the following situation that Data Working Group has been asked to mediate. The official language in Ukraine is Ukrainian. To the untrained eye there's

Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?

2012-07-25 Per discussione SomeoneElse
Jan Kučera wrote: Ok so are imports allowed again? Back in April I made this request: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg42372.html and I'd suggest that it would help mappers if imports stayed off for a while too. In some areas there's a fair bit of tidying up still to

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Joakim Fors
On 25 jul 2012, at 21:59, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 09:33:43AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'd like to hear the opinion of others in OpenStreetMap about the following situation that Data Working Group has been asked to mediate. The official

Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction finished already?

2012-07-25 Per discussione Simon Poole
Am 25.07.2012 21:50, schrieb Jan Kučera: Ok so are imports allowed again? Imports are by their intrinsic nature never urgent (it is not as if the 3rd party data is going to vanish if you don't import it today). I would strongly suggest doing something more useful, like helping with remapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-25 Per discussione Alan Mintz
At 2012-07-25 00:33, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'd like to hear the opinion of others in OpenStreetMap about the following situation that Data Working Group has been asked to mediate. The official language in Ukraine is Ukrainian. ...So, my questions to you are 1. The concrete question:

[talk-au] Question about relations

2012-07-25 Per discussione Adrian Plaskitt
etc that are lost to OSM. I don't know if it still possible to better use some of this unattached data in the database down the track. Ian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20120725

Re: [talk-au] Question about relations

2012-07-25 Per discussione SomeoneElse
Adrian Plaskitt wrote: My specific question is, when the route passes down only part of a way, say just a few blocks of a longer street, how do you assign the relation to just a few internodes. Is it necessary to split the ways at the nodes and then just assign the relation to the segments

Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery

2012-07-25 Per discussione Leon Kernan
Don't worry too much about the Hume, it's almost fixed as far as i can tell. I think I fixed the last issue affecting routing between Melbourne and Sydney tonight. (hopefully) South west sydney is full of broken roads. I'm not too familiar with central Sydney but if a local could take a look,

Re: [talk-au] Question about relations

2012-07-25 Per discussione John Henderson
On 25/07/12 16:07, Adrian Plaskitt wrote: Greetings all. I usually confine my mapping to bush tracks and cycle paths as this is what I am most interested in and is often not available from other sources. With the recent devastation of the base map I am remapping some of my local area, and

Re: [talk-au] relations

2012-07-25 Per discussione Adrian Plaskitt
Thanks, fellas, I had worried that splitting ways would cause trouble with route finding etc as one street would become 2 adjoining streets with the same name. Regards, adrian From: talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 61, Issue 34 To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-br] Imobiliaria

2012-07-25 Per discussione Arlindo Pereira
Boa pergunta. Não tenho mapeado esses dois por não saber que tags colocar. []s 2012/7/25 Pedro Geaquinto pedrodi...@gmail.com Também surgiram umas dúvidas aqui. Qual tag utilizar para guaritas/quiosques policiais e para garagens de ônibus? Em 6 de junho de 2012 21:31, vitor

Re: [Talk-br] Imobiliaria

2012-07-25 Per discussione Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho
2012/7/25 Pedro Geaquinto pedrodi...@gmail.com: Também surgiram umas dúvidas aqui. Qual tag utilizar para guaritas/quiosques policiais e para garagens de ônibus? Na única vez que mapeei um quiosque da polícia eu usei amenity=police. Acredito que garagens de ônibus devem ser mapeadas como

Re: [Talk-br] Imobiliaria

2012-07-25 Per discussione Aun Yngve Johnsen
Tambem em Planemetria de Vitoria, qiusque de policia for identicada igual de delegacia, e outros paredes de policia, eu marquei eles com amenity=police Aun Y. Johnsen Sent from my iPad +55 (27) 9736-3919 (vivo) On 25. juli 2012, at 09:00, Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho tul...@quites.com.br

Re: [Talk-br] Imobiliaria

2012-07-25 Per discussione Leandro Motta Barros
2012/7/25 Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho tul...@quites.com.br: 2012/7/25 Pedro Geaquinto pedrodi...@gmail.com: Também surgiram umas dúvidas aqui. Qual tag utilizar para guaritas/quiosques policiais e para garagens de ônibus? [...] Acredito que garagens de ônibus devem ser mapeadas como

Re: [Talk-br] Imobiliaria

2012-07-25 Per discussione Leandro Motta Barros
Não sei se entendi. Eu só lembro de ter visto estacionamentos/garagens de ônibus de dois tipos: 1) Os ônibus ficam numa área mais aberta; alguns até tem cobertura, mas não são um prédio propriamente dito (só cobertura, sem paredes, portas e etc). Esses eu mapearia como foi sugerido antes:

Re: [Talk-br] Imobiliaria

2012-07-25 Per discussione Aun Yngve Johnsen
O tag amenity=parking tambem tem informação sobre vagas, ou tipo de vagas. Acho nao e traducido completamente, leia o pagina wiki em ingles para descrição completo Talvez parking=* poder ajuda em mostrar areas cobertas, ou cover=yes. Aun Y. Johnsen Sent from my iPad +55 (27) 9736-3919 (vivo)

[Talk-br] dúvidas sobre tags

2012-07-25 Per discussione Wille
Aproveitando a dúvida sobre garagens e postos policiais, resolvi abrir uma thread para dúvidas sobre tags. Aqui vai a primeira: qual tag vocês têm utilizado para identificar Casas Lotéricas? ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-br] Alguém mestre em usar Ushahidi?

2012-07-25 Per discussione Boaventura Monjane
Amigos, Alguem por aqui é expert em usar Ushahidi? Por favor me escreva um email, me adiciona no skype, porque preciso solicitar umas ajudas, sem perturbar todo mundo aqui... Skype: venturamaputo -- ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-br] Alguém mestre em usar Ushahidi?

2012-07-25 Per discussione Arlindo Pereira
Acho bacana a conversa rolar por aqui (não precisa tirar as dúvidas pela lista, talvez mandar o log da conversa do skype pra cá) para termos um histórico; as próximas pessoas que tiverem dúvidas como as suas poderiam consultar o log. ;) []s 2012/7/25 Boaventura Monjane boa.monj...@gmail.com

Re: [Talk-br] Alguém mestre em usar Ushahidi?

2012-07-25 Per discussione Boaventura Monjane
OOla Arlindo! Então começamos aqui mesmo... Como faço, passo a passo (sou novato em sistemas de mapeamento) para usar o google map ou openstreetmap no Ushahidi e colocar icons e relaciona-los a informação (texto, links, etc)? Quero algo como isto: http://viacampesina.org/map/members/map.html

Re: [Talk-br] dúvidas sobre tags

2012-07-25 Per discussione Leandro Motta Barros
Olá! 2012/7/25 Wille wi...@wille.blog.br: Aproveitando a dúvida sobre garagens e postos policiais, resolvi abrir uma thread para dúvidas sobre tags. Aqui vai a primeira: qual tag vocês têm utilizado para identificar Casas Lotéricas? Acho que não existe consenso (na wiki tem uma proposta

Re: [Talk-br] dúvidas sobre tags

2012-07-25 Per discussione Arlindo Pereira
Eu tenho tagueado como amenity=bank, uma vez que elas são muito usadas pela população para pagar contas. Mas concordo que é tagging for the renderer. []s 2012/7/25 Leandro Motta Barros l...@stackedboxes.org Olá! 2012/7/25 Wille wi...@wille.blog.br: Aproveitando a dúvida sobre garagens e

Re: [Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)

2012-07-25 Per discussione Markus
Hoi Stefan, fuzzy links bzw. semantische ID name=Matterhorn weltweit wohl eindeutig Berühmte Namen finden immer Abbildungen in anderen Objekten. Beispielsweise gibt es das legendäre Restaurant Matterhorn in NZ :-) http://www.matterhorn.co.nz Und bei unserem Matterhorn gibt es mehrere Gipfel,

Re: [Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)

2012-07-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/24/2012 11:55 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Entweder gibt es kein identifizierendes Merkmal, z.B. man meint konkret die Parkbank s/kein/ein/ ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___

Re: [Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)

2012-07-25 Per discussione aighes
Am 25.07.2012 01:20, schrieb Stefan Keller: Ich habe einfach Bedenken mit Koordinaten arbeiten. Die machen fast noch grösseren Kummer als die OSM-ID. Das klingt für mich etwas komisch. Du willst nicht mit einer festen Koordinate/BBox arbeiten, aber dir dann über mehr oder weniger Raten eine

Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!

2012-07-25 Per discussione Peter Wendorff
Am 24.07.2012 10:32, schrieb Georg Feddern: Siehe oben den Link zur Bushaltestelle in meiner Antwort vom 23. Juli 2012 13:34 an Georg. Scheint übrigens in JOSM zurzeit auch für Eingeweihte eine Herausforderung zu sein, so einen Node zu verschieben und die ID beizubehalten. JOSM - utilsplugin2

Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!

2012-07-25 Per discussione Peter Wendorff
Am 24.07.2012 12:05, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Stefan Keller wrote: Folgendes fehlt in deiner Zusammenfassung: Mit der OSM-IDs ist die Gefahr grösser als mit der UUID, dass das Projekt das Objekt verliert (da es einer gelöscht und mit denselben Tags neu erstellt hat). Wenn jemand das Objekt

Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!

2012-07-25 Per discussione Manuel Reimer
Peter Wendorff wrote: Du kannst ja die ID als zusätzliches Kriterium problemlos mitziehen. Wenn sich nur eine ID ändert, wird es dann wohl ein entsprechendes Ersetzen sein; nur, wenn beide IDs auf einmal weg sind, dafür aber andere Bildstöcke in der BBox stehen, wird es problematisch.

Re: [Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)

2012-07-25 Per discussione Manuel Reimer
Markus wrote: Wie machen das eigentlich andere Projekte mit der ID? Beispielsweise Wikipedia oder Commons? Wenn ich das recht verstanden habe, dann wird in der Wikipedia eine Koordinate hinterlegt für das Objekt, das beschrieben wird. Am Objekt in der OSM muss dann ein wikipedia-Tag sein,

Re: [Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)

2012-07-25 Per discussione Peter Wendorff
Am 25.07.2012 01:20, schrieb Stefan Keller: Diese Relevanz-These scheint mir etwas gewagt: Wieso sollte ich als für die Erhaltung der Parkbänke verantwortliche Parkverwaltung zwei nebeneinander stehende knallrote Parkbänke (ohne Plakette) nicht verlinken wollen? Als Verwalter der Parkbänke halte

Re: [Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)

2012-07-25 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/25/2012 10:44 AM, Manuel Reimer wrote: Bei einem solch großen Projekt wie die Wikipedia wird das wohl nicht hinterfragt und keiner kritisiert diese Lösung. Wie sieht es aber mit kleineren Projekten aus. Also eben der kleinen Vereinskarte. Bei der Wikipedia kommen neben die sind

Re: [Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)

2012-07-25 Per discussione Manuel Reimer
aighes wrote: Mal ganz praktisch gefragt: Was verspricht sich ein Projekt egtl. aus so einer Verlinkung? - Nutzung der OSM-Tools um Geodaten zu pflegen - Halten der Geodaten in der OSM-DB erlaubt auch anderen Projekten die Nutzung Die meisten Eigenschaften wird das Projekt sowieso selber

Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!

2012-07-25 Per discussione Peter Wendorff
Am 25.07.2012 10:41, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Peter Wendorff wrote: Du kannst ja die ID als zusätzliches Kriterium problemlos mitziehen. Wenn sich nur eine ID ändert, wird es dann wohl ein entsprechendes Ersetzen sein; nur, wenn beide IDs auf einmal weg sind, dafür aber andere Bildstöcke in

Re: [Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)

2012-07-25 Per discussione Manuel Reimer
Frederik Ramm wrote: Ich will bloss nicht, dass wir das als allgemein akzeptiertes Vorgehen fuer jede Art von Links zwischen der Aussenwelt und OSM propagieren, dass man in OSM seine privaten IDs platziert, weil ich die Sorge habe, dass das dann ueberhand nimmt (erstmal eine permanente ID an

Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!

2012-07-25 Per discussione Manuel Reimer
Peter Wendorff wrote: Wo ist jetzt deine Lücke in dem Konzept? Dass immer noch manuell kontrolliert werden muss? Das löst du mit deiner UUID auch nicht. Alle diese Probleme entfallen, wenn ich annehme, dass die UUID von Mappern nicht verändert/angefasst wird. Wenn der Fall doch eintritt, dann

Re: [Talk-de] Nachfrage OSMF Redaction Account - was tut der?

2012-07-25 Per discussione Steffen Grunewald
On Thu 2012-07-19 (22:36), Peter Wendorff wrote: Vielleicht redet hier Simon als Techniker am eher nicht-techniker vorbei. Der Bot holt das maximale an Information von Zustimmern heraus, ABER er kann dabei nicht semantisch vorgehen. Also: Ein Tag ist ein Tag ist ein Tag - und zwei Tags sind

Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!

2012-07-25 Per discussione Rainer Kluge
On 25.07.2012 12:32, Manuel Reimer wrote: Peter Wendorff wrote: Wo ist jetzt deine Lücke in dem Konzept? Dass immer noch manuell kontrolliert werden muss? Das löst du mit deiner UUID auch nicht. Alle diese Probleme entfallen, wenn ich annehme, dass die UUID von Mappern nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Polen bitte nocht nicht remappen!

2012-07-25 Per discussione Fabian Schmidt
Hi, Am 19.07.12 schrieb SteMo: wie ist der Stand für die Daten in Polen? der Bot knabbert gerade an der letzten Region (Szczecin). Danach bleiben nur noch Relationen offen. Gruß, Fabian. schrieb Fabian Schmidt, am 17.07.12 18:21: Hi, es gab ein Problem des Lizenzumstellungsbots, durch

[Talk-it] visualizzare una o più tracce GPX su una mappa utilizzando le librerie OpenLayers

2012-07-25 Per discussione Gian Mario Navillod
Ciao a tutti, è da qualche giorno che quanto il codice descritto in questa pagina ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Openlayers_Track_example) non funziona più. Suggerimenti? Gian Mario Navillod. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] visualizzare una o più tracce GPX su una mappa utilizzando le librerie OpenLayers

2012-07-25 Per discussione sabas88
Il giorno 25 luglio 2012 12:05, Gian Mario Navillod gian.mario.navil...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, è da qualche giorno che quanto il codice descritto in questa pagina ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Openlayers_Track_example) non funziona più. Suggerimenti?

[Talk-it] Come taggereste questo cartello di divieto?

2012-07-25 Per discussione Giacomo Boschi
Questo qui: http://www.autoscuolafutura.com/069.gif maxweight=6.5 non va bene, perché il divieto è solo per i mezzi per il trasporto di cose. hgv=no nemmeno, perché proibisce il transito ai mezzi con peso superiore a 3.5 tonnellate; ovvero corrisponde a questo divieto

Re: [Talk-it] Come taggereste questo cartello di divieto?

2012-07-25 Per discussione David Paleino
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:13:58 +0200, Giacomo Boschi wrote: Questo qui: http://www.autoscuolafutura.com/069.gif maxweight=6.5 non va bene, perché il divieto è solo per i mezzi per il trasporto di cose. hgv=no nemmeno, perché proibisce il transito ai mezzi con peso superiore a 3.5

Re: [Talk-it] Boundaries

2012-07-25 Per discussione Carlo Stemberger
On 24/07/2012 21:35, Matteo Gottardi wrote: Nel caso il fiume cambiasse il suo corso, non ho idea di cosa succederebbe ai confini :) Sono piuttosto sicuro che il confine si sposti assieme al fiume: ricordo benissimo che questo concetto era stato spiegato durante una lezione di economia

Re: [Talk-it] Come taggereste questo cartello di divieto?

2012-07-25 Per discussione Damjan Gerl
David Paleino, on 25/07/2012 12.24, wrote: Con queste considerazioni, direi maxweight:hgv=6.5 . Gli hgv possono passarci, ma il peso massimo dev'essere 6.5t (forse sarebbe meglio specificare anche t nel valore del tag, non ho idea di quale sia l'unità di misura standard per il peso in OSM) Si,

Re: [Talk-it] Boundaries

2012-07-25 Per discussione Damjan Gerl
Carlo Stemberger, on 25/07/2012 12.36, wrote: On 24/07/2012 21:35, Matteo Gottardi wrote: Nel caso il fiume cambiasse il suo corso, non ho idea di cosa succederebbe ai confini :) Sono piuttosto sicuro che il confine si sposti assieme al fiume: ricordo benissimo che questo concetto era stato

[Talk-it] mappare un autovelox

2012-07-25 Per discussione beppebo...@libero.it
Ciao a tutti Come si mappa esattamente un autovelox fisso lungo la strada o ad un semaforo con telecamera? E le torrette che invitano a rallentare? Si inseriscono speed_camera e poi si fa la relazione con maxspeed? Qualcuno mi sa dire la giusta sequenza? Thanks:)

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