/The_Future_of_Areas. Good luck
for you.
Regards,
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Jochen Topf kirjoitti 2017-04-03 13:25:
Hi!
You might have seen that a few weeks ago I started a huge effort to
clean up broken (multi)polgyons and old-style multipolygon relations
(with tags on ways instead of on the relation) in OSM. You
e doubles, two dates, and two strings and that
changed the numbers quite a lot:
shp: 170 MB
gpkg: 153 GB
splite: 185 GB
No huge differences is file sizes when data have attributes.
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Mike Thompson wrote 2016-03-23 03:26:
This from the ogr2ogr documentation[1] may be rele
a.
Write performance especially with concurrent writes is another story. I am
talking about read-only operations. I know that I am writing empty words as
far as I do not include reproducible facts but I am willing to join to a
controlled test if someone is organizing such.
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re better
> alternatives.
>
> Is this plugin still maintained: https://github.com/iandees/josm-geojson ?
> Other plugins or alternatives?
Perhaps ogr2osm still works http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ogr2osm
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and open license".
Hi,
Have you noticed that there are already quite many Australian datasets
including Victorian Government data listed here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Contributor_specific_attribution_and_disclaimer
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There is a big jump in the number of OSM users between 20th and 21st of
July, why? See http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/
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that the current interpretation is that your database would be derived from
OSM and thus you must publish the data you collect under ODbL.
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was to get MapInfo files, thus
ogr2ogr -f MapInfo file output.tab input.pbf
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source worldwide so it could be reasonable. However, in Finland and Norway,
for example, MapBox may utilize more data from the national mapping agencies
(or maybe not, I do not know). Would that change the situation - localised
ranking of data sources needed?
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point with GPS and
there's an azimuth line. The longer the line the better is the accuracy.
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data under attribution-only license.
Because of this using the data is simple. This has also helped OSM because
raster maps and aerial images can be utilized for digitizing and vector
data imports have started this year.
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doesn't seem to be compatible with what is
generally known about googles ToS (naturally I assume that is just a
question of money)
I haven't heard about any troubles with Google's ToS and I know that
lawyers have been used for checking that. Don't know about money.
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Simon
Mikel Maron mikel_maron at yahoo.com writes:
anyone doing this?
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 at mikel s:mikelmaron
http://www.geofabrik.de/maps/printed.html
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board minutes.
And I'm very tired of people trying to weasel around the absolute
minimal requirements we pose on reuse of OSM data.
Minutes from October, 2013 is the latest in page
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes#Licensing_Working_Group
Do yuo mean that?
-Jukka
. Good thing is that
now there is a link to just 2013-12-10 minutes in the archive which makes
things even more clear for the future readers.
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polygons into heavy
relations. Perhaps area primitives will come true one day and give some help
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/The_Future_of_Areas.
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OSM's attribution.
Including all rights reserved.
But doesn't BY-SA claim to cover the database rights? Doesn't that clash
with the ODbL?
Hi,
Pekka was asking about initial import if the source vector data is published
as CC-BY-4.0. Do you have opinions about that?
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with my positive feelings. Well, I admit that the Java applet was not an
especially reliable editor.
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feedback would become share-alike
if user locates the place by clicking on top of the OSM base map makes
administration to use Google and other other base map providers instead.
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other users. Mailing lists may feel oldfashioned but they still have some
good points.
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too complicated, but it is
doable as the tutorial shows.
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do not think it is compulsory to
include osm_ids in WFS services or derived ODbL databases.
Users can delete or edit the object source tags but perhaps there are still
better possibilities that they remain in ODbL chain than the changeset
source tags.
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another CSV file with an
uncommon structure in the same directory. The one-column CSV file that
was created in the first example has such a structure. Delete the file
or rename it with another extension before running the second example.
Regards,
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-to with a few screen captures
http://latuviitta.org/documents/OSM_relations_visualized_with_GDAL_and_OpenJUMP.pdf
There might be already utilities for visualizing any kind of OSM relations but
even so, one more cannot make much harm.
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? It appears there is no
open background image and add to map dialog.
Could you tolerate using Merkaartor? It has a pretty good support for all
images supported by GDAL. It can do on-the-fly reprojection too.
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select * from line_geometry, tags
where tags.tag='highway' and tags.value='primary'
and tags.join_id=line_geometry.osm_id
0.059 seconds
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for some special uses by converting
max_speeds and other values which are actually measures from strings to integers
or doubles etc.
This option is so obvious that I believe that someone must have tried it
already. It would be nice to hear about experiences.
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Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes:
Hi,
On 01/24/2012 04:27 PM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
We will see much more proprietary keys in the future because people are
importing huge amounts of spatial data from external sources.
Maybe we should simply stop them from doing
automatically updated on
the OSM side later.
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500 thematic layers and it
takes around 10 gigabytes in zipped shapefiles. It is at least 50 times more
than we have now in OSM. I can't yet imagine what it will mean for the OSM
project in Finland.
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://latuviitta.org/documents/Kaupunginosia.png näkyy
Kaupunkimittausosaston pienaluejakoa tuolta suunnalta, mitkä niistä
ottaisit mukaan Vuosaareen?
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Ilpo Järvinen kirjoitti:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
Ilpo Järvinen kirjoitti:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Ari Moisio wrote:
Ikuisuusprojektini OSM-kartat loadstonelle jatkuu, kiitokset
tähänastisesta
avusta:-)
Jouduin pilkkomaan Helsingin alueen kaupunginosiksi ja sain tehtyä
Václav Řehák rehakv01 at gmail.com writes:
A fixed application would be one that does not use the OSM tile servers. The
tile usage policy gives the example of distributing an app using tiles from
tile.openstreetmap.org as an activity which is forbidden without prior
permission from
/dev/examples/wfs-snap-split.html
I do not want to advertise WFS over native OSM services, it just happens
to be a service I know somethign about. My message is that there can be
other, maybe more flexible ways for utilising OSM data than just those
boring tiles.
-Jukka Rahkonen
Have the statistics stopped? The title of the page seems to be
OpenStreetMap stats report run at Fri Sep 09 00:00:12 +0100 2011
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Pieren pieren3 at gmail.com writes:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Kirill Bestoujev bestoujev at gmail.com
wrote:
I think it is better to try to persuade
mappers from those countries to create the border in way everyone does.
No. If we created this super-relation in France, it is
James Livingston lists@... writes:
If you can't produce separate tiles, because rendering requires
accessing both databases at once, then you essentially have
combined the two databases together into a new one and are then
rendering based on that. So would assume in this case you'd have
further development.
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Robert Kaiser kairo@... writes:
BTW, if you would want to change OSM to be PD, you probably would need
to wipe the map clean and restart from scratch, as most contributors
want an attribution to the project at least - and that's what's not
guaranteed with current CC-BY-SA due to not
was not able to import the Finnish
excerpt at all with the PostgreSQL 9.0 default value. But perhaps you have
increased it already.
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such things from
the service metadata. However, WFS services can be used without studying the
metadata throughly. An example of direct data access and the output:
http://188.64.1.61/cgi-bin/tinyows?service=wfsversion=1.1.0request=getfeaturetypename=tows:osm_polygonmaxfeatures=1
-Jukka Rahkonen
Hi,
The page
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Groups#Licensing_Working_Group
suggests that the licensing working group members should be reading posts sent
to a group address le...@osmfoundation.org. Is that address still in use?
-Jukka Rahkonen
on esimerkki tiedostossa
http://188.64.1.61/Kosmo_WFS_ohje.pdf. Uusi Kosmo-versio ilmestyy
todennäköisesti viikon sisällä.
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National Land Survey wanted only to have this text in the AccessConstraits
Contains spatial data from the National Land Survey of Finland (NLS)
under NLS open license
http://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/ilmaisetaineistot
The license in English is here
the access constraints before
downloading data?
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What I appreciate is that our logo is honouring the traditions. See the old
ArcView logo http://thm-a03.yimg.com/nimage/62c0d25d4cb10b38
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Hi,
The licensing working group has been discussing about a thing
called PD aspirations
https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_113gtw62wdf
Excerpt from the minutes
5. OpenStreetMap PD-Contributor Terms
Freimut Kahrs wrote to us concerning an
Cartinus cartinus at xs4all.nl writes:
On Monday 18 April 2011 04:47:30 Steve Coast wrote:
Today I watched a few people sign up for OSM and they all ticked the PD
box without even looking at it, it was very entertaining.
And hereby the expected anti-PD campaign is officially started.
I
Fabio Alessandro Locati fabiolocati at gmail.com writes:
Am I worng or the PD-box is for statistical use only?
It may be there for statistics but no numbers have ever been published. The
other possible reason for the existence of the tick box is to make PD-minded
people feel happy and be
Teemu Koskinen teemu.koskinen at mbnet.fi writes:
I converted a few of the biggest lakes in Finland a few years ago to
coastlines, and they worked fine, until last year some other user converted
them to multipolygons with natural=water -tags. He also splitted the biggest
lake (Päijänne)
Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahkonen at latuviitta.fi writes:
By the way, i checked that the biggest lake polygon in the data of the
National
land survey of Finland is the lake Saimaa, and it has exactly 287273 vertices
and more than 5000 islands. It is a bit heavy to handle in PostGIS and Oracle
jynus jynusx at gmail.com writes:
I think it is an announcement with the same impact as the one from the
French Cadastre or Ordinance Survey permissions, maybe even better, as
we have directly permission to get and use the vectorial data, updated
every 3 months.
We are yet greatly shocked
. Could it be reasonable
to have some true_osm=yes tag for the original OSM features?
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and what tags OSM users have recorded around
a given place and do comparisons with data from other data sources.
But I fear no single tag nor a simple tag combination can ever be
used for finding the real user contributed data and I will need
to preprocess OSM data somehow.
-Jukka Rahkonen
Grant Slater writes:
Not true. ODbL licensed data *can* be forked at any time without
asking anyone for their blessing.
I don't see how you come to the conclusion otherwise. The Licensing
Working Group consulted with a lawyer during drafting of the ODbL to
ensure that the ODbL licensed
EPSG:900913
projection with gdal_translate and WMS driver as described at the bottom of the
document http://gdal.org/frmt_wms.html. As a result you will have on a disk a
geotiff file which is simple to re-project further into EPSG:2180 with gdalwarp.
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currently exisiting account as he wishes.
That brings to my mind that how we can ever say in a reliable way who
is an active contributor as defined by the CTs
An active contributor is defined as:
a natural person (whether using a single or multiple accounts)
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Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes:
Hi,
On 12/14/10 10:28, Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
I do not really believe that the turnout percentage in any OSM poll
would reach
66.7 percent, even if we count just the active contributors.
The turnout percentage in the kind of poll mandated by the CT
Ed Loach ed at loach.me.uk writes:
If ogr2osm doesn't recognise it, perhaps you can use ogr2ogr to convert it
into something that ogr2osm will recognise:
http://www.gdal.org/ogr/ogr_formats.html
Ogr2osm is a python script that is using ogr so it should support all the same
formats that
Hi,
I suppose that this last forum posting in this thread is pure spam, with all
those smileys with links to various web places.
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=10078
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Steve Bennett stevagewp at gmail.com writes:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/OSM/waypoints/waypoints.zip
Try WP1.gpx - WP12.gpx
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JRA/traces
I added the same fake two node track to each file somewhere from the area of the
first WP file.
-Jukka Rahkonen
Lester Caine lester at lsces.co.uk writes:
In the past we have been told If you want it - Add it - other people do not
have to use it. I just think this is another case of that which we need to
agree methods for since at least a few people DO want to share the
information.
If I'm mapping
SotM11 is planned to be arranged just after the FOSS4G conference. I do not
believe it is an accident because Steve Coast and Mikel Maron are members of the
FOSS4G Local Organizing Committee
(http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2011_Denver_LOC).
It can be a good idea if people can spend the whole
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes:
I think you have understood this all right. In my eyes there's a wide
band between clearly non-copyrightable edits on one side (which we could
legally keep in OSM even if the person who added them said no - but
we're unlikely to exercise that right) and
Ed Avis e...@... writes:
Perhaps there should be a meta-contributor-terms where you agree to
accept future
contributor terms proposed by the OSMF. Then there wouldn't be the need to
re-ask everybody each time the contributor terms change.
Insurance companies would love this idea :)
Ed Avis e...@... writes:
What I meant to say was: under these contributor terms, OSM is not compatible
with itself! Although the OSM project licenses its data under CC-BY-SA
or under ODbL, it would not accept such licences from others.
Whether this really matters, or is just an obscure
Some of us have pressed a button and accepted contributor terms v. 1.0. However,
there seems to be a draft for version 1.1
https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_81272pvt54
Does it mean that the voluntary re-licensing campaign is chiefly an exercise and
everybody will need to accept version
just a subset of attributes.
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Clause 3 in CTs says:
An active contributor is defined as:
a contributor natural person (whether using a single or multiple accounts)
This aims, I suppose, at giving only one vote for each natural person. How could
this be checked? The real identity of contributer has never been asked, all we
Aun Yngve Johnsen lists at gimnechiske.org writes:
You mean, how would the city council benefit apart from the fact they
are participating in a free, powerful routable map with loads of
features? Free worldwide distribution, availability on several types
of equipment. Software to make
Simon Biber wrote:
On Thu, 2 September, 2010 11:22:54 AM, andrzej zaborowski balrogg
at gmail.com wrote:
Besides, there's nothing in the Google Terms of Service which says
you may not make use of the facts you learn by using this website.
That'd just be silly. Not to mention unconscionable,
-is-it-anyway/
Google will not rise a hullabaloo against you. But if you want to have fun
check the coordinates from both OSM and Google (and Yahoo and Bing as well)
and use the average.
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Pieren pieren3 at gmail.com writes:
It seems that culvert=yes is ambiguous. It can be a ford or applied on the
road. I'm also in favour to replace culvert=yes by tunnel=culvert,
bridge=culvert or ford=culvertIt has also the advantage of simplifying the tag
management in applications (can just
James Livingston li...@... writes:
On 23/08/2010, at 4:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Not only the Contributor Terms - the whole project is. Data importing
should always be the exception and not the rule.
But is it though? I guess that's the nub of the issue with data imports
and licensing
andrzej zaborowski balr...@... writes:
That's what I think the plan is. However it is made very difficult by
the fact that those data providers most likely chose their SA licenses
in order to be able to use any improvements made on top of their data,
which we are planning to very soon make
Graham Jones grahamjones139 at googlemail.com writes:
Hi,
I think improving the documentation for new users (and experienced ones too!)
is a really good idea - I think we lack information for the casual new user.
The disadvantage of directing this group to Potlatch is that they need to
Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes:
Hi,
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
If you want polygons to behave as in paleo GIS, you should refer to the
industry standars. Specifically, to
http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/sfa , version 1.2.1, page 26:
Agree with all, except
Sebastian Klein bastikln at googlemail.com writes:
I remember someone said that Multipolygon would be misnomer. But
according to this specification, it fits quite well, doesn't it?
All the polygons can be called multipolygons. Polygon is a simple variant of a
multipolygon, and it can hold
Anthony osm at inbox.org writes:
So I prefer to add the street name to the street (as name) and addr:street
to the building/shop etc.
I think for now that's probably the best solution. And just hope
there aren't too many instances of Main Street on the addr vs. Main
St on the way. And
TimSC mapp...@... writes:
Hi all,
Apologies if this has been raised before, but I was wondering about GPS
track data and licenses. Presumably we are using public GPS trace data
under CC-BY-SA. By the way, it would be helpful to clarify that on the
wiki. I'll ignore the problem of
80n 80n...@... writes:
Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
I have understood that uploaded GPS track logs that we have now are
effectively public domain. They are facts (even they do not allways
tell the truth) and they miss all the creativity so they are not
copyrightable.
Is this a correct
Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com writes:
hi,
after checking the 'in addition make pd' box, is there a way to
'uncheck' that box if we change are mind at a later date? say, if i
discover more information that would make me change my mind.
(i can with google photos, as an
it to shapefile and add then as a new layer
into OpenJUMP map.
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how can we sort them out?
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you give an example of a thing that is done by a
human being and that is not art by this definition?
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Richard Fairhurst richard at systemed.net writes:
Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
I like this test because it will make things easy. No fuzzy shades of grey
like some Richard is suggesting.
I'm not suggesting, I'm reporting. You might like things to be easy but that
isn't the way the law works
that we must not claim that this kind of work is creative and
copyrightable. That will be used against us and against all the citizens willing
to use geospatial data produced by our administrations. We should show an
example about free geodata, not the opposite.
-Jukka Rahkonen
80n 80n...@... writes:
So, without your best endeavours, would you agree that these contributors
would naturally introduce some creativeness? If you have to expend effort to
remove creativity then you have made a pretty good case for the existence of
creativity. Thank you for your testimony.
the ways have opposite directions),
* unless it's a zoom level where the oneway arrows are invisible.
Hi,
I hope that if osm2pgsql will have this kind of Mapnik specific import rules,
they would be optional. People are using osm2pgsql also for other purposes than
Mapnik rendering.
-Jukka
by enhancing their own data by taking
tags from OSM database. Drawing their own data on top of OSM basemap is OK,
isn't it?
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Richard Fairhurst rich...@... writes:
Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
Andy Allan writes:
If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it
with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access
to their geographic data.
[...]
You are obviously reading section 4.5
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes:
I think that OSM as a whole - and this is not a legal issue - needs to
improve interoperability. What we're currently seeing is import mania,
poeple trying to stuff every possible bit of information into OSM
because that's the easiest way for them to use
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