Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers

2010-05-18 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Russ Nelson wrote: Both of these are unwanted; (a) is not possible without actually moving your own location around in small increments - a certain Russ N. reputedly has a script that does that and got bollocked for it. Nope, didn't. Nobody ever complained. Must've been

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Mikel Maron
Ævar Agreed, but you personally control the openstreetmap twitter account don't you? If you think waze's twitter account is nice (what it mostly does is answer a bunch of user questions, which implies a dedicated support team sitting behind it). Then perhaps you should give other people

Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers

2010-05-18 Per discussione John Smith
On 18 May 2010 17:07, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Not sure if that hits it either. You're right about spammers but if you map in Long Beach (and are uninterested in mapping LA) and someone sets up a SoCal OSM convention in LA, you wouldn't get that invitation... so whoever hosts

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-18 Per discussione Gervase Markham
On 14/05/10 23:51, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its plugin architecture. Sadly, the definition of how browser plugins work means that they are

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 07:38, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the most effective way to push forward what osm.org could be is by demonstrating ideas with code. Isn't the code base now on github? Start forking, trying out ideas ... things that work are going to be more

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 18/05/10 09:39, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 07:38, Mikel Maronmikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the most effective way to push forward what osm.org could be is by demonstrating ideas with code. Isn't the code base now on github? Start forking, trying out ideas

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-18 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
firefox jetpack On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.netwrote: On 14/05/10 23:51, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its plugin

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 08:49, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 18/05/10 09:39, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Here's a mockup:     http://v.nix.is/~avar/insert-stuff-here.png The contents of the white area would be determined by the aforementioned user editable  reviewed page. The

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 18/05/10 10:08, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 08:49, Tom Hughest...@compton.nu wrote: Before you all get too carried away with this extra tab idea of Ævar's I would just like to point out what I've said before about adding more tabs, namely that we already have

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Per discussione Zeptomoon
Would this tell you or remind you of something? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Logo_World_Green.plain.png Okay, it steals one element from another (very famous) community project. But, it's still very distinct. After all, there is some thing that connects us: The Free WIKI world

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: Worse than that, whatever you do the tabs will always overflow if you have a particularly verbose language and/or narrow window. They are, basically, just asking for trouble unless you limit yourself to only having a very small number of them. Or unless you get a

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Per discussione Peteris Krisjanis
2010/5/18 Zeptomoon zeptom...@gmail.com: Would this tell you or remind you of something? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Logo_World_Green.plain.png Okay, it steals one element from another (very famous) community project. But, it's still very distinct. After all, there is some

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 09:16, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 18/05/10 10:08, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: It would solve our existing overflow problems, and give us space for small notices at the top like Would you like to view osm.org in $language, or head over to the wiki for Haiti

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Pieren
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: could someone with the ability please add place=isolated_dwelling to the main map features? Voting has ended on May 13 and the feature was approved.

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Jean-Marc Liotier
Pieren wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: could someone with the ability please add place=isolated_dwelling to the main map features? Voting has ended on May 13 and the feature was approved.

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-18 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: For people who can't manage downloading a file, Andy provides a nice service of posting garmin maps on an SD card. http://shop.opencyclemap.org/ I don't know if he gets a tiny profit margin or not, but the prices are

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Zeptomoon wrote: Of course, there is room for improvement. I drafted it this morning. Feedback? Too bold? Too WIKI? I think it has a funny edge, it looks as if the little people are trapped in a spider web. Maybe change the slogan to: OSMF... we'll get you sooner or later! (Obviously

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-18 Per discussione john whelan
On the map on the OSM web site click on the + tag to the right then select data. Now select the point of interest and it will show you the tag data. If the hours of opening are present or it has a web site it will show them. Cheerio John On 17 May 2010 17:00, John F. Eldredge

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:01, Frederik Ramm schreef: including but not limited to OpenStreetMap.) Interesting that you point it out that way. Because this is exactly not what I've been perceiving when talking to the board members. I actually think

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-18 Per discussione john whelan
Have a look at Maperitive. Because the processing is done on the local machine it gives you much more control. I've been playing with .bat files, you can run them from a desktop icon, to select some POIs and display them but not others. Being in Canada I also use the technique to switch the

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Stefan de Konink wrote: including but not limited to OpenStreetMap.) Interesting that you point it out that way. Because this is exactly not what I've been perceiving when talking to the board members. I actually think 'exclusively' might be a better representation of real life. That's

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Pieren
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, not all isolated dwellings are farms. But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? Pieren ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Pieren
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: not all isolated dwellings are farms. But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, not all isolated dwellings are farms. But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? yes, that's why I marked place=farm as

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: yes, that's why I marked place=farm as deprecated and put on a (temporary) note that it should be changed to isolated_dwelling. But doesn't that lose information? Why would one want that? Bye Frederik ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: yes, that's why I marked place=farm as deprecated and put on a (temporary) note that it should be changed to isolated_dwelling. But doesn't that lose information? Why would one want that? I was implying that you put the

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Pieren
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:49 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I was implying that you put the farm information to where it belongs, i.e. if there is a place=farm you could transscribe this to place=isolated_dwelling, landuse=farmyard.

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I was implying that you put the farm information to where it belongs, i.e. if there is a place=farm you could transscribe this to place=isolated_dwelling, landuse=farmyard. Oh, I guess I hadn't followed this enough, I thought that isolated_dwelling was meant to

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-18 Per discussione Gervase Markham
On 18/05/10 10:05, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: firefox jetpack Jetpacks are alternatives to extensions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Add-on_%28Mozilla%29 not plugins. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_%28computing%29#Plug-ins_and_extensions for an explanation. I agree the

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Oh, I guess I hadn't followed this enough, I thought that isolated_dwelling was meant to be a node tag. it is a node or polygon-tag. Up to the mapper. In the end all place-tags are best on polygons and not on nodes. Cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Right, but this means you cannot downgrade a place=farm that sits on a node to a place=isolated_dwelling without loss of information because you could not attach landuse=farmyard to a node. At least that would be a very unusual way of tagging.

[OSM-legal-talk] Editing Derived Database Extracts and ODbL

2010-05-18 Per discussione Ben Supnik
Hi Y'all, I'm trying to wrap my head around the give-back clause in ODbL, that is, the requirement to publish not only a produced work, but also the modified database, if modding the DB was part of creating the produced work. Share-Alike: If you publicly use any adapted version of this

[OSM-talk] OSM talk at Protospace (Calgary, AB), May 25th, 7.00pm

2010-05-18 Per discussione simon
Hi all, Just a heads up that I'm planning to give a 15mins talk about OpenStreetMap at Calgary's new hacker space Protospace (http://www.protospace.ca/) for 'Geek Pride Day', May 25th, 7.00pm. Full event details here: http://wiki.protospace.ca/index.php?title=Geek_Pride_Day Protospace is located

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Igor Brejc
Hi, Let me just add one note to John's comments about Maperitive: it already out of the box supports 19 zoom levels, but you can modify the configuration and set the max zoom to a higher level: http://maperitive.net/docs/manual/Advanced_Configuration.html

[OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Seventy 7
Ævar wrote: You'll probably like this one better, it takes the concept of insert neat stuff here even further, just add imagination: http://v.nix.is/~avar/insert-neater-stuff-here.png Lol! Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon The Technology Demo. Dilbert, the nerdy engineer, is presenting

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Before you all get too carried away with this extra tab idea of Ævar's I would just like to point out what I've said before about adding more tabs, namely that we already have too many and that any attempt add more without

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 18/05/10 21:07, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Tom Hughest...@compton.nu wrote: Before you all get too carried away with this extra tab idea of Ævar's I would just like to point out what I've said before about adding more tabs, namely that we already have too many and

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-18 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Zeptomoon zeptom...@gmail.com wrote: Would this tell you or remind you of something? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Logo_World_Green.plain.png Cool idea. Would need some tweaking to make it easier on the eyes. The problem is that it looks nasty

Re: [OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-18 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Easy fix: Remove the GPS Traces and User Diaries tabs and add links to these near Help  Wiki in the left column. Yes, because we never get any complaints about things in the left column being pushed too far down the page so

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Pieren wrote: But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? No. Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular maps as if they were towns I'm sure that the

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione Joseph Reeves
There is a lot of android phones to pick from, not sure how many allow root access or you can get root access with them. True, but the question wasn't really that specific. I know, I'm being pedantic, but the Desire is the nicest phone I've ever owned (and I make a point of owning nice phones)

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Well the question came from a new OSMer from Shkoder Albania, who is helping with the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AlbanianFloodingCrisisCamp. The people in albania dont have much money, it is a very poor country, but they love to spend money on mobile phones. there are a great deal of good

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione John Smith
On 19 May 2010 08:43, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So, he is new to osm but not new to linux, and if we can find the right phone for him, maybe more people will be also motivated to help with osm, when they see somone sitting in the cafe with a nice

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:48 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 19 May 2010 08:43, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So, he is new to osm but not new to linux, and if we can find the right phone for him, maybe more people will be also

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione John Smith
On 19 May 2010 09:29, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Anyway, the question was about linux phones. Maybe so, but you didn't give enough context as to why. our group in albania and kosovo is not just promoting and working on OSM and freedom of the maps, but

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:32 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 19 May 2010 09:29, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Anyway, the question was about linux phones. Maybe so, but you didn't give enough context as to why. our group in albania

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione John Smith
On 19 May 2010 09:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: In which case your only options, to the best of my knowledge, are the nokia n900 and the freerunner... Android phones are usually too locked down to be considered free by most FLOSS groups... Well, if

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/19 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: Well the question came from a new OSMer from Shkoder Albania, who is helping with the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AlbanianFloodingCrisisCamp. The people in albania dont have much money, it is a very poor country,

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:48 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 19 May 2010 09:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: In which case your only options, to the best of my knowledge, are the nokia n900 and the freerunner... Android phones are

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione John Smith
On 19 May 2010 09:50, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually for mapping all gps devices in phones that I know of (don't know for the HTC) are worse than much cheaper dedicated gps receivers. Depends on the antenna design as much as anything else, just because it's a phone

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Per discussione Phil! Gold
* John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com [2010-05-19 09:32 +1000]: On 19 May 2010 09:29, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com our group in albania and kosovo is not just promoting and working on OSM and freedom of the maps, but also of software and knowledge, we promoting linux. If given a choice,

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-18 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Tue, 18 May 2010, Pieren wrote: But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? No. Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on regular maps as if they

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Jacopo Girardi
Ciao Simone. On 18/05/2010 00:52, Simone Saviolo wrote: Ora, da ciò che ho letto in più posti la mappatura delle strade andrebbe fatta con le aree per mille motivi, ma le way lineari sono comunque la soluzione migliore per il routing. In altre parole, l'ideale sarebbe avere entrambe, e va

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/5/18 David Paleino d.pale...@gmail.com: Il mio esperimento, e quello di Simone, non ha eliminato il reticolo di way lineari, e all'atto del routing basta semplicemente ignorare tutti gli oggetti highway=* + area=yes. Non proprio: ci sono già adesso, mappate, molte piazze pedonali dove

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Scusate se non quoto; rispondo a diverse persone. Martin e Federico: trovo corretta l'osservazione sul tag. In effetti, a pensarci bene, l'area e la way indicano due cose un filo diverse: l'area dice qua c'è la sede stradale, la way qua passa una via. In altre parole, dopo che ho mappato una

Re: [Talk-it] Nomi di collezioni di oggetti

2010-05-18 Per discussione Stefano Salvador
Però non funziona bene perché a quel punto non è più il nome del lago e ad es. il render non lo mostra di colore blu. (senza contare che anche dal punto di vista del database non è molto pulito...) a me sembra un caso da multipolygon, non so come si comporti il renderering ma nella pagina

Re: [Talk-it] Nomi di collezioni di oggetti

2010-05-18 Per discussione Luca Delucchi
Il 18 maggio 2010 10.10, Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com ha scritto: incuriosito ho provato per dei laghetti in Friuli [1], a quanto pare l'approccio multipolygon funziona (non ho messo nessun tag sulle singole aree) e viene capito correttamente dal renderer. il problema è che

Re: [Talk-it] Nomi di collezioni di oggetti

2010-05-18 Per discussione Stefano Salvador
il problema è che non si mappa per il rendering :-P infatti, non ho mappato per il rendering ma ho cercato la soluzione topologicamente più corretta e peraltro quella anche suggerita dal wiki. Io continuo a pensare che ognuno dei laghetti abbia un proprio nome (plurare o singolare che sia)

Re: [Talk-it] Nomi di collezioni di oggetti

2010-05-18 Per discussione Luca Delucchi
Il 18 maggio 2010 10.17, Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com ha scritto: Io continuo a pensare che ognuno dei laghetti abbia un proprio nome (plurare o singolare che sia) non sono daccordo, in questo caso l'oggetto è uno solo ma composto da più parti e il nome indica tutto l'insieme.

Re: [Talk-it] Nomi di collezioni di oggetti

2010-05-18 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/5/18 Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com: Io continuo a pensare che ognuno dei laghetti abbia un proprio nome (plurare o singolare che sia) non sono daccordo, in questo caso l'oggetto è uno solo ma composto da più parti e il nome indica tutto l'insieme. Boh? Un parco nazionale

Re: [Talk-it] Nomi di collezioni di oggetti

2010-05-18 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Il 18 maggio 2010 11.27, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/5/18 Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com: Io continuo a pensare che ognuno dei laghetti abbia un proprio nome (plurare o singolare che sia) non sono daccordo, in questo caso l'oggetto è uno solo ma composto da

Re: [Talk-it] Nomi di collezioni di oggetti

2010-05-18 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Sui laghi del Nivolet, è il caso di mettere bycycle=no? No, la bici è ammessa nel Parco del Gran Paradiso e a giugno vorrei fare il giro da Ceresole Reale alla Valsavaranche. Dalle foto aeree non si capisce bene come si colleghino i sentieri :-)

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione David Paleino
On Tue, 18 May 2010 09:23:04 +0200, Federico Cozzi wrote: 2010/5/18 David Paleino d.pale...@gmail.com: Il mio esperimento, e quello di Simone, non ha eliminato il reticolo di way lineari, e all'atto del routing basta semplicemente ignorare tutti gli oggetti highway=* + area=yes. Non

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Luca Brivio
In data martedì 18 maggio 2010 02:49:10, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: 2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: (Tra l'altro, noto che Mapnik sembra ignorare il tag width; è una mia impressione?) si, perché altrimenti non si vedrebbero le strade nei zoom piccoli (fanno quasi

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/5/18 David Paleino d.pale...@gmail.com: Non proprio: ci sono già adesso, mappate, molte piazze pedonali dove highway=pedestrian e area=yes, proprio perché lì non c'è alcuna via ma solo una piazza. So che i software di routing fanno molta fatica con queste aree. E, per aiutarli, si

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione David Paleino
On Tue, 18 May 2010 12:48:01 +0200, Federico Cozzi wrote: 2010/5/18 David Paleino d.pale...@gmail.com: Non proprio: ci sono già adesso, mappate, molte piazze pedonali dove highway=pedestrian e area=yes, proprio perché lì non c'è alcuna via ma solo una piazza. So che i software di routing

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Il 18 maggio 2010 12.48, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: di solito le vie che entrano in una piazza si collegano al perimetro. No! O forse ho capito male io? Le way delle vie indicano la linea di mezzeria; le aree indicano i bordi fisici dell'area. Quindi, se una via entra in una

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione David Paleino
On Tue, 18 May 2010 13:01:15 +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: Il 18 maggio 2010 12.48, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: di solito le vie che entrano in una piazza si collegano al perimetro. No! O forse ho capito male io? Le way delle vie indicano la linea di mezzeria; le aree

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: di solito le vie che entrano in una piazza si collegano al perimetro. No! O forse ho capito male io? Le way delle vie indicano la linea di mezzeria; le aree indicano i bordi fisici dell'area. Quindi, se una via entra in una piazza, la via va

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Il 18 maggio 2010 13.29, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: di solito le vie che entrano in una piazza si collegano al perimetro. No! O forse ho capito male io? Le way delle vie indicano la linea di mezzeria; le aree indicano i

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Probabilmente la nostra incomprensione è qui: quale bordo? Sono d'accordo che sia qualche metro dal bordo laterale della way (i marciapiedi), ma secondo me la way si tronca di netto all'ingresso della piazza. È questo il punto! Se siamo

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Il 18 maggio 2010 14.27, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Probabilmente la nostra incomprensione è qui: quale bordo? Sono d'accordo che sia qualche metro dal bordo laterale della way (i marciapiedi), ma secondo me la way si tronca

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: ...secondo me tutti i percorsi in una piazza sono validi! Non sono d'accordo. Questo approccio può andare bene per un routing per pedoni. Cosa succede se un'auto deve attraversare una piazza in una ZTL? Dipende da come è fatta la piazza. Se è

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 David Paleino d.pale...@gmail.com: Il mio esperimento, e quello di Simone, non ha eliminato il reticolo di way lineari, e all'atto del routing basta semplicemente ignorare tutti gli oggetti highway=* + area=yes. no, non basta, perché ci sono per esempio i highway=pedestrian area=yes

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Il 18 maggio 2010 15.26, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: ...secondo me tutti i percorsi in una piazza sono validi! Non sono d'accordo. Questo approccio può andare bene per un routing per pedoni. Cosa succede se un'auto deve

[Talk-it] pcn - precisazioni

2010-05-18 Per discussione Simone Cortesi
Ciao, volevo chiarire che l'utilizzo dei dati forniti recentemente in uso dal portale cartografico nazionale è consentito solo tramite gli strumenti consoni e di largo utilizzo all'interno della comunità openstreetmap, quali ad esempio il client wms di josm. L'utilizzo di sistemi di mass

Re: [Talk-it] pcn - precisazioni

2010-05-18 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com: L'utilizzo di sistemi di mass download e/o di mass caching è da evitare e potrebbe portare a ripercussioni nei confronti di chi sta abusando di questo servizio messoci a disposizione. Non si sa, da dove è stato effetuato questo, vero? Io avevo

Re: [Talk-it] Nomi di collezioni di oggetti

2010-05-18 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Non sono d'accordo. Pensa se volessimo indicare dove sono le Alpi: raccoglieremmo tutte le cime in ... una relazione e daremmo name=Alpi alla relazione. Non mi sembra taggare per il rendering. Nel caso in esame, esiste il lago A, esiste il

Re: [Talk-it] Nomi di collezioni di oggetti

2010-05-18 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Il 18 maggio 2010 16.58, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Sui laghi del Nivolet, è il caso di mettere bycycle=no? bicycle ;-) Il giorno che imparerò come si scrive baisicol sarà sempre troppo tardi :-) ciao, Martin

Re: [Talk-it] pcn - precisazioni

2010-05-18 Per discussione Carlo
On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:43:27 +0200 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: 2010/5/18 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: L'utilizzo di sistemi di mass download e/o di mass caching è da evitare e potrebbe portare a ripercussioni nei confronti di chi sta abusando di questo servizio

Re: [Talk-it] pcn - precisazioni

2010-05-18 Per discussione Simone Cortesi
2010/5/18 Carlo cybo...@gmail.com: Penso sia meglio non usare i dati da Potlatch per il momento, e di contattare qualcuno del portale del PCN per sapere se è lecito il servizio di caching delle tile e di certificare il server di GFOSS a farlo (mettendolo nella white list). il server di gfoss

Re: [Talk-it] pcn - precisazioni

2010-05-18 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
ho cmq. anche scritto ai tedeschi per essere sicuro. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] pcn - precisazioni

2010-05-18 Per discussione Simone Cortesi
2010/5/18 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: ho cmq. anche scritto ai tedeschi per essere sicuro. ho letto la talk-de, grazie. -- -S http://goo.gl/mod/qWdu ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] Ways come aree

2010-05-18 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/5/18 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: D'accordo, capisco il tuo punto di vista. Non mi viene in mente nessun esempio che io conosca di piazza pedonale senza alcuna indicazione su dove debba andare una macchina (anche solo una corsia disegnata per terra), però non posso escludere

[Talk-it] ritrovo Friuli-Venezia Giulia

2010-05-18 Per discussione Stefano Salvador
Ciao a tutti, giro l'invito anche sulla ML nazionale perché non so se tutti i mappers della regione leggono la ML regionale. Ci si voleva trovare una sera per fare due chiacchere tra mappatori in qualche agriturismo. La proposta è per venerdì 28 maggio ad Ontagnano (poco lontano da Palmanova,

[Talk-it] programma osmit2010

2010-05-18 Per discussione Luca Delucchi
È online il programma ufficiale di OSMit2010 [0], ricordo nuovamente agli interessati di registrarsi il prima possibile per far si di avere un evento meglio organizzato saluti per il Comitato Luca Delucchi [0] http://www.dicat.unige.it/osmit2010/informazioni-sul-meeting/programma

[Talk-it] Why Your Data Sucks

2010-05-18 Per discussione Luca Delucchi
magari qualcuno se lo è perso http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX8iQN04tOo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

[Talk-at] Treppelwege

2010-05-18 Per discussione h8t luv
Hi, ich schau mir gerade das Mapping der Donau in NÖ an, vieles davon ist natürlich noch immer von pla.at und in entsprechender Qualität vorhanden. Vor allem bei den Treppelwegen herrscht absoluter Wildwuchs von highway=cycleway, bis track=Treppelweg gibt's so ziemlich alles. Im Wiki hab ich

Re: [Talk-at] Treppelwege

2010-05-18 Per discussione Robert Kaiser
Hi, Wie taggt's ihr Treppelwege? Ich würde mal highway=track tracktype=grade1 Sind die alle breit genug für ein zweispuriges Fahrzeug? So weit ich weiß, ist das nämlich für highway=track ein übliches Kriterium. Robert Kaiser ___ Talk-at mailing

Re: [Talk-at] Treppelwege

2010-05-18 Per discussione h8t luv
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:51:43 +0200 From: ka...@kairo.at To: talk-at@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-at] Treppelwege Hi, Wie taggt's ihr Treppelwege? Ich würde mal highway=track tracktype=grade1 Sind die alle breit genug für ein zweispuriges Fahrzeug? So weit ich

[OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Per discussione Andre Engels
Veel wordt er rond OSM gediscussieerd over wat wel en niet auteursrechtelijk zou mogen betreffende gebruik van andere kaarten, satellietopnames en dergelijke bronnen. Ik heb er de Nederlandse jurisprudentie op nageslagen, en het volgende gevonden: IEPT20090526, GHvJNAA, Carribean Cartographics -

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 13:49, Andre Engels schreef: Veel wordt er rond OSM gediscussieerd over wat wel en niet auteursrechtelijk zou mogen betreffende gebruik van andere kaarten, satellietopnames en dergelijke bronnen. Ik heb er de Nederlandse

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Per discussione Rob
Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Zijn er btw nog andere rechten van toepassing ? Op 18 mei 2010 14:15 schreef Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de het volgende: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 13:49, Andre Engels schreef: Veel wordt er rond OSM

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Per discussione Maarten Deen
On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:21:51 +0200, Rob r...@coolbegin.com wrote: Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Conclusie? De opening vind ik een goede samenvatting: De maker van een wegenkaart kan alleen dan aanspraak maken op auteursrechtelijke bescherming indien sprake is van een zekere mate

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Per discussione Ben Laenen
Rob wrote: Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Zijn er btw nog andere rechten van toepassing ? Dat is ook mijn vraag: wat met het databankrecht? Daar is geen creativiteit in het werk bij nodig. En als het databankrecht ook niet meetelt, dan werpt dat ook weer een heel ander licht

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:29, Maarten Deen schreef: De maker van een wegenkaart kan alleen dan aanspraak maken op auteursrechtelijke bescherming indien sprake is van een zekere mate van originaliteit en creativiteit, waarop met een ander product wordt

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:29, Ben Laenen schreef: Rob wrote: Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Zijn er btw nog andere rechten van toepassing ? Dat is ook mijn vraag: wat met het databankrecht? Daar is geen creativiteit in het werk bij

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Per discussione Maarten Deen
On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:32:35 +0200, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:29, Maarten Deen schreef: De maker van een wegenkaart kan alleen dan aanspraak maken op auteursrechtelijke bescherming indien sprake is van een zekere

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-05-10 14:37, Maarten Deen schreef: Ik weet niet hoe het met jouw tekst analyse is, maar hier staat het tegenovergestelde. Ik lees: Een maker van een kaart kan aanspraak maken op auteursrecht als: - zijn kaart origineel en creatief is -

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] auteursrechten op wegenkaarten - gerechtelijke uitspraak

2010-05-18 Per discussione Andre Engels
2010/5/18 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: On Tue, 18 May 2010 14:21:51 +0200, Rob r...@coolbegin.com wrote: Ik mis nog een conclusie in het blog artikel. Conclusie? De opening vind ik een goede samenvatting: De maker van een wegenkaart kan alleen dan aanspraak maken op auteursrechtelijke

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