Re: [Talk-us] How accurate is Tiger data vs Yahoo Aerial?

2008-02-23 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 12:23 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi- I've just joined up and I'd like to help out cleaning up the map for my area in Beaverton/Portland Oregon. It looks like it is completely covered already by the Tiger data. But I've noticed many displacement problems where the

Re: [Talk-us] highway tags in the US

2008-02-29 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 20:18 -0600, Ian Dees wrote: I have a hard time deciding which value to use based on the UK-centric descriptions on the wiki. They're not hard and fast rules, honestly. You also can't completely say all (US/State/County) highways are primary/secondary/tertiary, etc...

Re: [Talk-us] highway tags in the US

2008-03-03 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 11:02 -0600, Alex Mauer wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: For instance, OR217 and US26 west of Portland are both divided, multi-lane, limited access highways. Despite not being interstates, they *ARE* motorways. Hmm, are you sure? maybe they just look like motorways

Re: [Talk-us] highway tags in the US

2008-03-04 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 19:36 -0600, Alex Mauer wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: I'm pretty sure I know one when I see one these days. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Map_Features A restricted access major divided highway, normally with 2 or more running lanes plus emergency hard

Re: [Talk-us] highway tags in the US

2008-03-04 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 23:23 -0500, Bone Killian wrote: certainly a highway that meets the standards without being designated should be tagged as motorway, but as IMHO the only thing that qualifies a road as a motorway (in the US) is the big red and blue signage identifying it as part of

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] TIGER unbraid tool now available

2008-04-25 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 14:46 -0700, Alan Millar wrote: Unfortunately, it is in perl because that's what I know; I've never done anything in Java yet. I've been wondering if this may be just the time to learn it. I'm not sure if a JOSM plugin is a good place to start learning Java or if that

Re: [Talk-us] US Hydrographic Data

2008-05-01 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 10:17 -0700, Karl Newman wrote: That would be awesome. Maybe we could rip out the TIGER hydrographic features and replace them with the NHD stuff. Maybe coastlines, too? I guess we'd have to be careful about duplicating/overwriting people's work, though. Uh. There are

Re: [Talk-us] US Hydrographic Data

2008-05-07 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 10:51 -0500, Ian Dees wrote: I was going to modify Matthew's script here: http://perrygeo.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/gis-bin/nhd_to_osm.py to try and fix the issues that he described in the header: - support holes in water bodies (islands) - tag OSM data with all

Re: [Talk-us] bulk upload of data to OSM: roads, water, and orthos

2008-06-25 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 12:42 -0400, John Callahan wrote: Spatially it's no contest. I've attached just a few simple images to show what I mean. These show our new dataset in red vs TIGER 2007 in purple. Remember that the red lines match the hi-res photography. Wow. Hard to argue with that!

Re: [Talk-us] Adding Public Domain GIS data from Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) Pa

2008-07-07 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 16:10 -0400, Morgan Ress wrote: * High School Students that are working here for the summer, in a program designed to teach them about GIS and community planning. Currently, they are working on detailed maps of our neighborhood using QGIS - I'd like to make our work

Re: [Talk-us] Portland data

2008-07-16 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 07:57 +0100, SteveC wrote: Can anyone (especially anyone local to Portand but it's not crucial) take some time to look and see? Adam says: I called Metro today, and they say their data is not public domain, so I think that makes it unusable on OSM. Oh well. Adam

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2007 files

2008-07-20 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 21:10 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the Census Bureau going to continue to make regular (ie. annual or semi-annual) data releases of street centerline data, or does the 2007 TIGER/Line Shapefile release represent the end of the project? I can't imagine this will be

Re: [Talk-us] using city data?

2008-08-22 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 17:36 -0700, Alan Brown wrote: I think this is a case of where, if I get clarification from them further, it *might* be okay, but the wording is too fraught with ambiguity to be safe. Here's the part I'm worried about - I explained in an e-mail what OpenStreetMap is

[Talk-us] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Has anyone looked at importing the TIGER 2007 data yet? I was going to start coding up the conversion utilities to get started. It appears that this shapefile format may have existing OSM converters out there. Anyone want to admit to having one? ;) -- Dave

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-19 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 11:33 -0700, Alan Brown wrote: Then, decide how if/when it is appropriate to write over the old TIGER stuff with new. Or, to merge it somehow. Be very, very careful here. Conflation is a difficult thing. I used to work at Tele Atlas, and there was a major

[Talk-us] TIGER 2007, first OSM data

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Hansen
I'm trying to share early and often. :) Here's the first output from my new TIGER 2007 script. I used shp2osm.pl from SVN and added a perl port of a chunk of the ruby code from the original TIGER import. http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~daveh/tiger/2007/OR-Sherman.osm.bz2 This doesn't have any of

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2007, first OSM data

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 22:58 -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can run it like this: perl tiger-shp-to-osm.pl data/ftp2.census.gov/geo/tiger/TIGER2007FE/41_OREGON/41055_Sherman/fe_2007_41055_edges.zip out-dave.osm

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger 2007 Data

2008-10-24 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 22:09 +1100, Nick Hocking wrote: Can you confirm that any bulk upload of Tiger 2007 date will not erase or be overlaid over/under/alongside any existing user edits. On my last US trip I've got about 6000 miles of gps tracks. I've only edited in a few hundred miles of

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger 2007 data

2008-10-27 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 10:37 +1100, Nick Hocking wrote: I'm firmly convinced that automatic uploads should only go into areas where there are NO user edited nodes or ways. Other updates need to be done manully to avoid data corruption. You have absolutely shown a number of cases where there was

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Data 2007

2008-10-28 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 15:46 -0700, Alan Brown wrote: If those 10% are located where someone has poured their heart into making a carefully constructed map - you could disillusion some of your most active contributors. Yup, I completely agree. But, one of the nice things is that the active

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2008 Data is Out

2008-12-25 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 23:22 +1100, Justin Adler wrote: Hi folks, quick question about this Tiger lines and OSM. 1) Are there any import scripts out there which are not rails or php? something in .NET maybe? No. 2) Do the tiger lines have the following data (which could then be imported

Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data

2009-03-05 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 10:48 -0500, Russ Nelson wrote: Also, are there tags to keep information about metadata like the data source (i.e. gps, digitized, etc)? Chris and Dave have set a standard for imports that says that existing metadata should be preserved. As long as you do that,

Re: [Talk-us] Tags for US Forest Service GIS Trail Data

2009-03-05 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 08:11 -0800, Matt Maxon wrote: Here in SoCal parking most anywhere with in a National Forest requires paying a fee $5 daily or $30 annual ($80 Public Lands pass too) Same basic system in Oregon and Washington. Some trailheads are special, usually when they're really

Re: [Talk-us] Duplicate TIGER imports

2009-04-14 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 15:41 -0700, Minh Nguyen wrote: A few weeks after DaveHansen imported the TIGER data for Ohio [1], RSatterf reimported the data for Greene County, Ohio [2]. As a result, every single way in the county is duplicated. On top of that, RSatterf's import also added a loose

Re: [Talk-us] Duplicate TIGER imports

2009-04-14 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 19:22 -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org wrote: A few weeks after DaveHansen imported the TIGER data for Ohio [1], RSatterf reimported the data for Greene County, Ohio [2]. As a result, every single way in the county

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 09:40 -0700, Alan Millar wrote: If you don't like the tag, you don't have to use it. But I have been waiting for this highlighting feature for a long time, but never got around to figuring out enough in JOSM, so I am happy to see it. To each his own; there is room for

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 10:26 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: forcing every josm user to accept it is somewhere between ignorance and dictatorship Hi Apollinaris, I'd be happy to code up a custom version of JOSM for you that doesn't have the yellowness. I'd also be happy to looking into

Re: [Talk-us] Tool to fix Tiger data

2009-05-01 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 08:32 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: this one is way more useful than maplint. but it's europe only at the moment Anyone with plans to provide a US version? Tiger doesn't have directions on (some?) motorways, motorway_link and may of them are wrong. this

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-05-02 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 09:50 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: tiger data is that the quality is from excellent to really bad in accuracy tiger data is old and contains abandoned roads tiger has no level info, no direction for oneways, no turn restrictions, or any other fancy info which we

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER Data in Wrong Place

2009-05-06 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 19:08 +0100, Andrew Ayre wrote: Hi! When I load OSM data into my GPS unit using mkgmap for a place in the UK then it is accurate. When I load OSM data for Tucson, Arizona then it is off by perhaps 100ft. I would like to make the maps for Tucson usable, so my questions

Re: [Talk-us] Tidying up TIGER data

2009-06-04 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 00:36 -0600, Ted Percival wrote: Its functions are: - Strip St suffix from grid-named streets (eg. South 500 West) - Collapse multiple spaces into a single space (lots of TIGER) - Expand abbreviated directions (eg. S 500 E to South 500 East) - Expand abbreviated suffixes

[Talk-us] Strange synthentic GPS tracks spelling out words

2009-06-21 Thread Dave Hansen
We had a super-cool mapping party in Portland, OR this weekend. But I noticed some really werid GPS traces. Somebody has spelled out things like ATM and SUSHILAND in the GPS tracks, and they weren't walking around spelling things. ;) Take a look around 45.524613, -122.694281. I'm just curious

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing Alignments in JOSM

2009-06-23 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 11:57 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: So I need to split the North-South way into two pieces and it intersects the East-West way in two places. I cannot figure out how to do this in JOSM. I've tried everything - splitting a way at nodes, ungluing, etc. The way always

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER

2009-07-07 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 10:23 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: it's bad if you don't have a 4WD but your navi thinks it's perfect to use :( but even tomtom, google, ... have the same errors in these areas. if we want osm to be better there is no easy way to get it right without checking

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER corrections

2009-07-09 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 17:55 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 17:08 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: 1. Short road N Laurel Ave (way 7497408) ending at a T-intersection into W 18th St (way 7516644). TLID is 144674357. The node at the T has TLIDs 144674357:144674376:144986081, which

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-16 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 03:41 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Preliminary analysis shows that there would be roughly 28k changes across the whole US. I have prepared a full list of all proposed changes, arranged by state and county, here:

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 15:46 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: This brings down the number of proposed changes from 28k to 26k. The new list is at the same place: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/us-motorway-link-downgrade/ Some of these at least are from a botched TIGER county that I screwed up

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 08:10 -0700, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 2:24 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'd also like to look into some gluing back together of the TIGER counties and I wonder how suitable this would be. My gut feeling is that this calls for a semi-automated process

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 10:27 -0500, David Lynch wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:10, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote: An even more aggressive fix would be to disconnect everything that isn't a motorway_link. That's probably correct, but more aggressive than I would choose to

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 09:19 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: Yep. I've even got a JOSM validator plugin test to check motorway intersections. It doesn't do the angles, but just ensures motorways only touch other way types at their endpoints. very useful, can you share? Here are my

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 10:35 -0700, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 17, 2009, at 9:29 AM, David Lynch wrote: Because I and numerous other mappers have put a hell of a lot of time and effort into getting things right, and I don't want anyone breaking it because an algorithm assumes it isn't right.

Re: [Talk-us] Data Upload

2009-07-18 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 20:07 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: I tried bulk_upload.py and it gave me a 404 error. I've used this in the past: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bulk_upload.pl Evidently it hasn't been updated to 0.6 yet. But, honestly, that shouldn't be *that* hard to do. -- Dave

Re: [Talk-us] Data Upload

2009-07-18 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 22:16 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: Thanks. How would I test it without risking putting dummy data or partial data on the public server? I've tried to use another upload script with api06.dev.openstreetmap.org and mysql.dev.openstreetmap.org but they don't appear to be

Re: [Talk-us] Deletion of unnecessary TIGER node tags will commence this week-end

2009-08-06 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 21:34 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Allan has made a convincing case about superfluous node tags in this posting on dev: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-June/016009.html Huh, I never actually saw that message. I'm OK with this, but mostly because the

Re: [Talk-us] Removing duplicates nodes in Iowa/US

2009-08-21 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 08:54 -0500, Travis Rayhons wrote: 3. Does anyone know where I can find the source code to the validator plugin for JOSM? I was thinking I could take that code and replicate the procedure into my script. The code is in SVN:

[Talk-us] Garmin OSM map for whole US

2009-09-05 Thread Dave Hansen
For those of you that don't know, Cloudmade has some really cool ready-made maps available for download. I know they work on Garmin devices, but there are probably some others. http://downloads.cloudmade.com/north_america/united_states The problem is that they're made one state at a

[Talk-us] Another shot at a whole-US Garmin map

2009-09-07 Thread Dave Hansen
I decided to try another approach. I used the tile picker from here: http://ulrichkuester.de/OSM/CoordinateToOSMTile.html and got the tiles from here: http://osm.ammit.de/osm/latest/img/ with a little wget and a bash script. I then used the mkgmap commands what Lambertus

Re: [Talk-us] Systematic errors in the Maui, Hawaii Data

2009-09-29 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 23:23 -0700, Scott Atwood wrote: However, as nearly as I can tell, very little work seems to have been done on Maui beyond the initial Tiger upload. The problem is, this Tiger data seems to have some large systematic errors, a translation to the north-northwest. I

Re: [Talk-us] Systematic errors in the Maui, Hawaii Data

2009-09-29 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 10:40 -0700, Scott Atwood wrote: The GPS tracklog I uploaded includes data from Wailuku in central Maui, all along the Hana Highway as far as Waianapana State Park near Hana. In all the locations I spot checked (including the ones mentioned above), there appears to be a

Re: [Talk-us] Systematic errors in the Maui, Hawaii Data

2009-09-29 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 11:20 -0700, Scott Atwood wrote: I spot checked a number of locations all around Maui, and in all the locations I checked, they seem to be affected by the same or highly similar offset to the NNW. Here is another example from the Lahaina area:

[Talk-us] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-03 Thread Dave Hansen
Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema Well, I have some perl code that will parse the 2007/2008 TIGER data files. My goal is to get the addresses imported into OSM this time around.

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-03 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 02:24 +1000, John Smith wrote: 2009/10/4 Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net: Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema Well, I have some perl code that will parse

[Talk-us] Changing the account that uploaded the TIGER data

2009-10-14 Thread Dave Hansen
So, I just noticed that this map: http://matt.sandbox.cloudmade.com/?lat=45.528599lng=-122.885771zoom=15layer=2 has my own street listed as unedited TIGER data. I think someone is just using user==DaveHansen as a test for edited vs. uneditied TIGER data. So, I changed the display name. It is

Re: [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and

2009-10-21 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 19:40 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Sarah Manley sarah.m.man...@gmail.com wrote: What is the status of the forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org? Would building this out more maybe solve some of our problems? Preference for email vs

Re: [Talk-us] US-based Server

2009-10-21 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 01:34 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Adam Schreiber wrote: I would hope that and in the future a mapping mirror. The database ought to move to being on more than one server. I am interested to hear your proposals on conflict resolution, or failing that, segmentation

Re: [Talk-us] Possible destructive bug in JOSM build 2417 - need someone to duplicate

2009-11-11 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 21:01 -0500, Chris Hunter wrote: My apologies if this has already been reported to the dev mailing list, but I've been running up against a critical/showstopper bug in JOSM 2417 for the past few days. I just tried with 2439 and can't seem to reproduce this. -- Dave

Re: [Talk-us] Possible destructive bug in JOSM build 2417 - need someone to duplicate

2009-11-11 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 23:01 -0500, Chris Hunter wrote: Thanks. Is 2439 available on the server yet, or is it still in alpha? I re-downloaded the latest beta a couple hours ago and the josm-latest.jar link was still pointing at 2417. I checked it out of SVN and built it myself. I can send

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:28 -0600, Ian Dees wrote: Give everyone a chance to work in a constructive way and don't expect others to clean the mess bad import left behind. No wonder there are only few motivated mappers in US. In Canada they do a much

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-13 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 15:19 -0500, Mike N. wrote: FYI - I applied the experimental script which creates address interpolation ways at - http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py The results are at

[Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Dave Hansen
So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing someone else's code: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py and I now have made some .osm files with Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways. I'm not going to post them publicly. I did

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 17:14 -0700, SteveC wrote: Can I have SF county, CA please and Arapahoe County, CO...? http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/secret/stevec-345/ -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sat, 2009-11-14 at 21:35 -0500, Anthony wrote: Unless you can point me to some documentation as to what the tiger id *means* (*), I'm not going to think about it at all. Sometimes I keep it, sometimes I delete it, sometimes I delete the whole way and create a new one in its place (without

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 10:59 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: If we can come up with a scheme for getting the addressing imported in a sane fashion and the consensus is that people want it done that way, it'll get imported. There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 23:30 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say that it did more harm than good. Well then you obviously haven't read the two latest entries

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 14:25 -0800, Sam Vekemans wrote: 1 - A few people (we can call the data conversion team) are in charge of taking the data in it's source form (in this case SHP) We use the tools availble (shp-to-osm.jar and/or shp2osm.py) and are the ones who create a set of 'rules'

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 14:33 -0800, Dave Hansen wrote: Yeah, and that does sound like a really nice way to do it, especially when there is existing data. Anybody want to be on the USA conversion team? :) -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 14:49 -0800, Dan Putler wrote: The upshot, for a number of US counties you would rather use the county centerline road data rather than TIGER data as the basis of the import. That's really good news. This is exactly what happened for Massachusetts. They had better

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 18:28 -0500, Kate Chapman wrote: Maybe I'm confused about the address versus road information. I would think the address point would be the front door of the building and would not be a relation to the road. So the node of the address and the way of the road would not

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 18:54 -0500, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 18:11 -0500, Kate Chapman wrote: What's wrong with doing automated addressing imports in situations where we have point level address data? The issue

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 21:17 -0500, Richard Welty wrote: On 11/15/09 6:45 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: and put in the /garmin/ directory on your device (if you have an SD card unit). I'll be updating these periodically as I feel the need. I think I also have my methods down to a point where I

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:05 +, Andy Allan wrote: So please, turn away from imports and work on getting mappers in charge, especially out pounding the streets. The outcome will be much, much better in the end, and that end will come much, much quicker. I think TIGER was a success if only

Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer addresses

2009-11-16 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 16:05 -0600, SteveC wrote: any idea where...? maybe we could get some locals to investigate what they are? I added an addr:raw tag so we can find this in the future. But, here's one example. There only appear to be a few of these per county. I *think* they're mostly just

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-16 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 19:46 -0500, Bill Ricker wrote: is perhaps the file too big for some models of garmin to process in real time? i suppose, but it really seems like a couple of badly rendered tiles. I'll try it on my 76csx eventually .

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 16:24 -0500, Matthias Julius wrote: IMHO it is unfortunate this was not done during the TIGER import. It would have been easy enough. Sure. But, there were 50 other things that were easy enough to do. Joining county borders, eliminating motorway overpass intersections,

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-18 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 18:50 -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net writes: I updated my whole-US map for Garmin devices. It's stolen from the Cloudmade state gmapsupp images that you can find here: http://downloads.cloudmade.com/north_america/united_states

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-19 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 12:54 -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: This method the routing-broken-at-state-borders problem, but not the overlapping tiles problem. It should work with a united_states.osm.bz2; apparently that's a high enough fraction of the size of the planet that it isn't produced.

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-19 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 13:29 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Used state data instead, if I were to do a mass import. Oregon GEO knows what they're doing, the US Census (along with the rest of the federal government) barely acknowledges we exist. Which would you rather trust? 1) Known good data

Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects

2009-12-02 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 03:55 -0500, Dale Puch wrote: I think the idea was that there wasn't that much traffic that it would bother the talk-us group, and what was there the rest of us could possible benefit from. Yeah, that's what I took from it too. It will be a wonderful day when we have so

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup guidance wanted

2009-12-03 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 15:50 -0800, Jeff Barlow wrote: I'm new here and a little unsure of how best to proceed. I'm having some issues getting JOSM to run but I expect to get those sorted out soon. Then I want to start working on TIGER fixup. I'm located in central Oregon, near Bend. I see a

Re: [Talk-us] HI: Hawaii GIS Data

2009-12-04 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 00:12 +, Shaun McDonald wrote: Why oh why oh why do some people insist on wasting time trying to import loads of data? Mapping is fun, but I personally think it is more fun when you're enhancing someone else's work rather than starting from a blank slate. Whatever

Re: [Talk-us] HI: Hawaii GIS Data

2009-12-04 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 16:22 -0800, Dave Hansen wrote: Anyway, Scott, I'd encourage you to find some specific goals that you'd like to achieve with the import. It may not be worth importing things just because they are available. Is there something specific missing from or lacking in OSM

Re: [Talk-us] HI: Hawaii GIS Data

2009-12-04 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 00:12 +, Shaun McDonald wrote: Please take a read of http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2009/11/10/the-pottery-club/ Don't forget that OSM was turning away US mappers for a long time telling them to come back once TIGER was imported. It isn't that way any

Re: [Talk-us] Issues in New Mexico

2009-12-14 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 12:07 -0500, James Umbanhowar wrote: Does anyone know why the area around around Raton, NM looks like it is melting? I don't think it even renders in Osmarender. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.93134lon=-104.46384zoom=16layers=B000FTF You have a couple of nodes

Re: [Talk-us] Issues in New Mexico

2009-12-14 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 09:18 -0800, Dave Hansen wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 12:07 -0500, James Umbanhowar wrote: Does anyone know why the area around around Raton, NM looks like it is melting? I don't think it even renders in Osmarender. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.93134lon

Re: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying Interstate Relations

2010-02-07 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 14:42 -0500, Richard Welty wrote: i concur with the notion of splitting at state lines. i also think that the longer US routes need to be handled in a similar manner. Yeah, that's sane. If for no other reason than the fact that the mile markers reset at state lines. I

[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map (02-10-2010) update

2010-02-17 Thread Dave Hansen
The map is up to 2.8GB! These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map (02-10-2010) update

2010-02-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 16:05 -0500, Mike N. wrote: Many thanks for this update - it has come in handy many times since the last update. I was about to check with you to see if there was any way to update it, but you beat me to it! It's just about at the point where I can automate it to

Re: [Talk-us] Motorway vs trunk

2010-02-26 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 15:50 -0500, Richard Welty wrote: On 2/26/10 3:14 PM, Nakor Osm wrote: What is the distinction made between trunk and motorways for tagging in the US. As an example should this portion of US41 ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.8967lon=-87.6177zoom=14

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:57 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Serge Wroclawski wrote: Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post and all people will be moderated. Over time, we'll probably get go of

[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 19-03-2010

2010-03-22 Thread Dave Hansen
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 19-03-2010

2010-03-22 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 22:46 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: So do all SD-cable Garmins handle huge map files equally well or not ? I think they should. My 60csx didn't have SDHC support when I bought it, but it got magically added in a firmware update. I'm still not sure how they did that. -- Dave

[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 25-03-2010

2010-03-27 Thread Dave Hansen
So, I finally set these up to be fully automated. If these messages get sent once a week or so, should I keep them coming to talk-us? -- These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 25-03-2010

2010-03-29 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 13:55 -0600, Val Kartchner wrote: Dave, I'm a regular contributor to OSM, and a subscriber to the US mailing list. I followed the link to the routable Garmin maps that you have made available. I'm assuming that these are for the US since they are on the US mailing

[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-04-2010

2010-04-15 Thread Dave Hansen
Forwarded Message From: Dave Hansen da...@openstreetmap.org To: d...@sr71.net Subject: Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-04-2010 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:19:45 +0100 These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php I wrote scripts

[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 16-04-2010

2010-04-18 Thread Dave Hansen
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media.

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-11 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 19:20 -0400, Chris Hunter wrote: I have major philosophical issues with the way the license change is being handled, and feel that I can no longer participate in the OSM project. I honestly haven't paid much attention to it. I figured it was pretty messy, but legally

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 01:39 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Terribly thought out process. Terrible idea in the first place. IMHO the terrible idea was to start out with CC-BY-SA in the first place; had we simply been PD all along, nobody would have made a fuss and we could have saved

Re: [Talk-us] Reply-to field in list messages

2010-06-10 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 16:59 -0400, David ``Smith'' wrote: Why doesn't the talk-us list use the reply-to field so that simple replies go to the list, not just the original poster? The newbies list does that. Every other e-mail list I've ever been on does that. So why not this one? It's a

Re: [Talk-us] Percentage of data imported vs mapped

2010-06-23 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 12:05 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:42 AM, McGuire, Matthew matt.mcgu...@metc.state.mn.us wrote: Does anyone know the percentage of OSM data that is imported vs mapped in the US? How does this compare to other countries? When TIGER was

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