the phasing out of Window-Eyes
Hello list, I've already written to VFO regarding the phasing out of Window-Eyes. I just used the contact us form. Charlie Short ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Thank you, Samuel. -Original Message- From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:27 PM To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40kc.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7858 / Virus Database: 4664/13214 - Release Date: 10/15/16 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
but before jaws, jonathan mosen used window eyes. Sent from my window eyes mail app done by me! > On 15 Oct 2016, at 9:10 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk > wrote: > > Hi Vaughn. They defenatly do have a foothold in the market and they can > control it to their advantage. I bet Erick comes to NZ to promote JAWS to > agencies, and not to mshen Jonathan Mosen used to work for them. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:00 PM > To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > Their place in the market is virtually secure: they have an almost > international monopoly on screen reader software. > > > Vaughan. > > > > >> On 10/15/2016 1:32 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >> It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that >> this would hurt their place in the market. >> >>> On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: >>> Hello list. >>> >>> Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to >>> see Window Eyes phased out. >>> >>> Kenneth Son. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: >>>> No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays >>>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you >>>> expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did >>>> when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the >>>> product and that you are a loyal user. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going >>>>> to be >>>>> fazed out? >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Talk >>>>> > [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >>>>> >>>>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >>>>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >>>>> To: bj colt via Talk >>>>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >>>>> >>>>> Hello John, >>>>> >>>>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >>>>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am >>>>> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst >>>>> other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if >>>>> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people >>>>> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. >>>>> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger >>>>> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT >>>>> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they >>>>> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. >>>>> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for >>>>> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you >>>>> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own >>>>> pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are > developing >>>>> both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out >>>>> Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%4 > 0aol.com. >>>> >>>> For subscription options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> List archives can be found at >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> _
Re: this is only speculation, no official announcement has been made. wasRe: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
True, but it's precisely because of the lack of an official announcement, not to mention Freedom Scientific's past lawsuits against GW Micro, that people are convinced that Window-Eyes' days are numbered. I for one hope not of course but I'll use it as long as I can before making a decision whether to go Mac or grit my teeth and use NVDA. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:46 PM To: geo...@optonline.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: this is only speculation, no official announcement has been made. wasRe: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes No official announcement has been made on the status of Window-eyes. Some of you are so convinced it's going away, yet nothing has come down. Why don't you wait for an official announcement before making the next step? Or, better yet, if you *really* value Window-eyes as a screenreader, write to them and let them know that their efforts would be worth something, if some decision were to be made. JAWS gets a lot of its use from government contracts, so Window-eyes could have a foot-hold on the consumer end, if they were to make it available at a reduced price, or continue to offer the free version, which I think they still do. so i do believe there is a place for it. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
I didn't care for the NVDA version of Eloquence. It wouldn't save my settings. -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 7:24 PM To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Vaughan Dodd' Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Also, I read that NVDA screen reader will be coming out with contracted braille input in grade 2 braille. NVDA's braille support is on par with JAWS, in my opinion, and NVDA updates very very frequently. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:18 PM To: 'Vaughan Dodd'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Absolutely right, Vaughn. -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd [mailto:vdodd...@vodafone.co.nz] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes developments. The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for. They correctly commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less intuitively accessible. I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising Window-Eyes. Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely undergo changes over time which adversely affect usability for Window-Eyes users. And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer - an insult to the thinking blind person who relies on screen readers to do more than browse the web. Vaughan. On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed and i'll have to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous" upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye too, y'all. On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com -- "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised, night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For mem
RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Also, I read that NVDA screen reader will be coming out with contracted braille input in grade 2 braille. NVDA's braille support is on par with JAWS, in my opinion, and NVDA updates very very frequently. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:18 PM To: 'Vaughan Dodd'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Absolutely right, Vaughn. -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd [mailto:vdodd...@vodafone.co.nz] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes developments. The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for. They correctly commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less intuitively accessible. I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising Window-Eyes. Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely undergo changes over time which adversely affect usability for Window-Eyes users. And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer - an insult to the thinking blind person who relies on screen readers to do more than browse the web. Vaughan. On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This > office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM > To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon > as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to > it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed and i'll have to cough > up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which > will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous" > upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye > too, y'all. > > > > > On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk < > talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > >> Hello John, >> >> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I >> am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, >> amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that >> if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind >> people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work >> fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for >> younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as >> IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and >> they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another >> way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't >> pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid >> work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use >> out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that >> they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing >> that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double > standards. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Samuel Wilkins >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o >> ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l >> istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/p rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > -- > "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised, > night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho > > > Reeva > ___ > Any views or
RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Absolutely right, Vaughn. -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd [mailto:vdodd...@vodafone.co.nz] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes developments. The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for. They correctly commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less intuitively accessible. I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising Window-Eyes. Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely undergo changes over time which adversely affect usability for Window-Eyes users. And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer - an insult to the thinking blind person who relies on screen readers to do more than browse the web. Vaughan. On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This > office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM > To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon > as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to > it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed and i'll have to cough > up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which > will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous" > upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye > too, y'all. > > > > > On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk < > talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > >> Hello John, >> >> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I >> am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, >> amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that >> if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind >> people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work >> fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for >> younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as >> IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and >> they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another >> way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't >> pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid >> work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use >> out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that >> they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing >> that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double > standards. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Samuel Wilkins >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o >> ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l >> istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/p rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > -- > "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised, > night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho > > > Reeva > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca > . > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___
Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes developments. The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for. They correctly commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less intuitively accessible. I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising Window-Eyes. Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely undergo changes over time which adversely affect usability for Window-Eyes users. And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer - an insult to the thinking blind person who relies on screen readers to do more than browse the web. Vaughan. On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed and i'll have to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous" upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye too, y'all. On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com -- "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised, night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vdodd001%40vodafone.co.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.co
RE: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Hi Vaughn. They defenatly do have a foothold in the market and they can control it to their advantage. I bet Erick comes to NZ to promote JAWS to agencies, and not to mshen Jonathan Mosen used to work for them. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:00 PM To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Their place in the market is virtually secure: they have an almost international monopoly on screen reader software. Vaughan. On 10/15/2016 1:32 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: > It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that > this would hurt their place in the market. > > On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: >> Hello list. >> >> Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to >> see Window Eyes phased out. >> >> Kenneth Son. >> >> >> >> On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: >>> No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays >>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you >>> expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did >>> when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the >>> product and that you are a loyal user. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going >>>> to be >>>> fazed out? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message- >>>> From: Talk >>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >>>> >>>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >>>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >>>> To: bj colt via Talk >>>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >>>> >>>> Hello John, >>>> >>>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >>>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am >>>> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst >>>> other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if >>>> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people >>>> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. >>>> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger >>>> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT >>>> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they >>>> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. >>>> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for >>>> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you >>>> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own >>>> pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing >>>> both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out >>>> Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. >>>> >>>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%4 0aol.com. >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 msn.com. >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> . >> > ___ > Any view
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Their place in the market is virtually secure: they have an almost international monopoly on screen reader software. Vaughan. On 10/15/2016 1:32 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that this would hurt their place in the market. On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: Hello list. Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to see Window Eyes phased out. Kenneth Son. On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vdodd001%40vodafone.co.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
y, in many countries it is even a requirement for your car to be aproved on the road, that it has this piece of equipment installed. Same could be said about many other things in our daily life. Had there only been one or two manufacturers on the market, they could simply just sit down and claim no such equipment would be technically possible, and leave the accident statistics to raise. Having more than one actor on the scene sometimes will prove beneficial for development, and can be done without any kind of competing simply just by learning from each other, and sometimes even cooperating. Or, what do you think about the day when Philips and Sony cooperated to kicked out the CD-player on the market? Just for one example. With an ever-decreasing staff in the former GWMicro, it is natural that the market asks the question: "What is actually going on?" But do we have any information as to whether this decline of staff also takes place in the old FS-line? Is it all over the company they are slimming down? I for one, will be sad to see a screen reader that I have come to rely on, leave the market; should such be the final outcome. Yet, sometimes changes prove beneficial - though hard to take in the first place. Hope would be they keep the Win-Eyes running - in some form - up till the point when the computers that we all know will no longer be the case of the day. Who knows how long Windows itself even will be in business. Now aday everyone wants smartphones, or tablets. And tomorrow - Why, who knows? Sure, those of us who are using a paid-for version of WE, will still be able to use it - even if it should be discontinued from future development and support. And should the mailinglists be turned down, someone will put up a privately administered list, and we will all go there. But the bad day will be for those who are on payment-plans, or even the ones who use the free-version. Yet, it would be useless to spiculate with the information currently available, what will happen to these groups. Hopefully the new company will have something in store for them. David On 10/14/2016 10:26 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: > No one really knows. Doug said back in June no changes at least for the next > six months, so maybe they will give us some news soon so we all can stop > speculating. I don't have a public job so I will not buy JAWS, I can get > along with Window Eyes for a while even if they discontinue it. Then I'll use > NVDA. >- Original Message - >From: darren harris via Talk >To: 'Samuel Wilkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:17 PM >Subject: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > >Hi all, > >Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be >fazed out? > >-Original Message- >From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >To: bj colt via Talk >Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > >Hello John, > >I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am >not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst >other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if >Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people >wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. >Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger >people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT >technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they >think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. >We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for >Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you >would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own >pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing >both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out >Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. > > >-- >Regards, > >Samuel Wilkins > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author >and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harri >s%40btinternet.com. >For subscription options, visit
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
I agree with the others who have made comments such as "writing on the wall" and shifts in personnel. We should take it as fact that Window-" Eyes development is no more. We should regard VFO as stealthy, predatory and arrogant. They were asked to comment, as a way of halting the speculation. They have not. They have our software maintenance agreements, so they could offer us JFW at a heavily discounted price for acquisition of the new version 18. I can't use NVDA at work, and I regard the SMA as a contractual arrangement. In my book, VFO has causded me to be "very f.. off." Vaughan. On 10/15/2016 9:17 AM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that this would hurt their place in the market. On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote: > Hello list. > > Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to > see Window Eyes phased out. > > Kenneth Son. > > > > On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: >> No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays >> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you >> expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did >> when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the >> product and that you are a loyal user. >> >> >> >> >> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going >>> to be >>> fazed out? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> >>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk >>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 >>> To: bj colt via Talk >>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes >>> >>> Hello John, >>> >>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is >>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am >>> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst >>> other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if >>> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people >>> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. >>> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger >>> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT >>> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they >>> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. >>> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for >>> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you >>> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own >>> pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing >>> both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out >>> Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Hello list. Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to see Window Eyes phased out. Kenneth Son. On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hamradio3960%40aol.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
No official word yet. If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product and that you are a loyal user. On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
this is only speculation, no official announcement has been made. was Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
No official announcement has been made on the status of Window-eyes. Some of you are so convinced it's going away, yet nothing has come down. Why don't you wait for an official announcement before making the next step? Or, better yet, if you *really* value Window-eyes as a screenreader, write to them and let them know that their efforts would be worth something, if some decision were to be made. JAWS gets a lot of its use from government contracts, so Window-eyes could have a foot-hold on the consumer end, if they were to make it available at a reduced price, or continue to offer the free version, which I think they still do. so i do believe there is a place for it. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
I have not heard that it is. Everybody seems to be speculating. Pam. -Original Message- From: darren harris via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:17 PM To: 'Samuel Wilkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harri s%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
No one really knows. Doug said back in June no changes at least for the next six months, so maybe they will give us some news soon so we all can stop speculating. I don't have a public job so I will not buy JAWS, I can get along with Window Eyes for a while even if they discontinue it. Then I'll use NVDA. - Original Message - From: darren harris via Talk To: 'Samuel Wilkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:17 PM Subject: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harri s%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
No not definite, just reading writing on the wall. On Friday, October 14, 2016, darren harris via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be > fazed out? > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris = > btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] > On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk > Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 > To: bj colt via Talk > Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes > > Hello John, > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am > not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst > other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if > Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people > wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. > Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger > people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT > technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they > think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. > We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for > Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you > would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own > pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing > both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out > Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. > > > -- > Regards, > > Samuel Wilkins > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes. > com/darren_g_harri > s%40btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > -- "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised, night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Knowing the history of FS and the fact that all the old GW staff are either retiring or taking new jobs elsewhere I would place my bet on WE being gone within a short time. Dam shame that the best screen reader ever is going away. On 10/14/2016 3:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote: Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Hi all, Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be fazed out? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28 To: bj colt via Talk Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harri s%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Hi! Well I guess if it is true that Window-Eyes is being fased out, the blind and visually impaired community is getting the very short end in the name of proffits..? Listen, I know that proffits are what keeps a business going, but having no real choices in the screen reader market is going way too far! Of course we all can complain forever, and there will probably be absolutely no one to listen..? Oh well, I will continue to use Window-Eyes for as long as it works and then see what options are there. My appologies for complaining but I am not sure of what else I can do at this point..? Thanks & 73 de . On 14-Oct-16 15:39, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote: They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed and i'll have to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous" upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye too, y'all. On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Do you suppose that VFO might keep Window Eyes as the free screen reader for Office subsidized by Microsoft? - Original Message - From: Sky Mundell via Talk To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Samuel Wilkins' Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:46 PM Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed and i'll have to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous" upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye too, y'all. On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hello John, > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I > am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, > amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that > if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind > people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work > fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for > younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as > IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and > they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another > way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't > pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid > work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use > out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that > they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing > that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. > > > -- > Regards, > > Samuel Wilkins > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l > istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/p rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > -- "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised, night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed and i'll have to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous" upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye too, y'all. On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hello John, > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I > am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, > amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that > if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind > people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work > fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for > younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as > IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and > they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another > way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't > pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid > work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use > out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that > they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing > that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. > > > -- > Regards, > > Samuel Wilkins > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l > istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/p rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > -- "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised, night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Exactly right! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed and i'll have to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous" upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye too, y'all. On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hello John, > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I > am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, > amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that > if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind > people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work > fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for > younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as > IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and > they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another > way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't > pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid > work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use > out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that > they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing > that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. > > > -- > Regards, > > Samuel Wilkins > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l > istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/p rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > -- "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised, night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed and i'll have to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous" upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye too, y'all. On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hello John, > > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not > switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other > reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes > goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get > into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of > the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, > and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about > NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or > compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't > want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for > equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every > computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have > heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are > doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double > standards. > > > -- > Regards, > > Samuel Wilkins > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/o > ptions.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/l > istinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/p > rivate.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > -- "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised, night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Sorry, that wasn't meant for the list, please ignore it. It was meant for BJ Colt. On 14/10/2016 20:27, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote: Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
Hello John, I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out. If it is, I am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other reasons. However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund. Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way. We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own pocket. What do you think? Also, I have heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText. How come they are doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes? To me, this is a case of double standards. -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com