[OSM-talk] Openstreetmap-carto switching to ocean polygons

2019-02-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There is a new PR on the Openstreetmap-carto Github page which will switch this “standard” style (used on the main OSM page) to water polygons instead of land polygons. However, some users reported problems with the simplified water polygon shapefiles when this change was attempted in 2016. We

Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap-carto switching to ocean polygons

2019-03-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> I am not sure you will get some response to “...it needs testing...” > especially not from GIS and vector map-makers This notification is not for people who are designing their own maps, but for users of the CartoCSS style called "Openstreetmap-carto" which is hosted on github. This is the

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I didn’t add my opinion because it seemed clear that most people thought that non-attribution is a problem. Let the record show that I also strongly support requiring attribution, so that more people will become aware of OSM and perhaps start to improve the data in their area. -Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for wiki pages?

2019-06-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
lar wiki pages? It's certainly not easier to find. On 6/9/19, Andrew Hain wrote: > Every tag documentation page has a grey pencil icon next to the description > to edit the data message. Maybe it could be made clearer. > > -- > Andrew > ____ > From: Jos

[OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for wiki pages?

2019-06-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
While checking out the Map Features osm wiki pages, I noticed a few items that were missing descriptions or had very short, self-referrential ones (eg. "A peninsula" for natural=peninsula and "An isthmus" for natural=isthmus), even though the wiki page actually has a good description, which was

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - addition of office=diplomatic to amenity=embassy with country=*

2019-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've spent several hours creating wiki pages for the new, approved tags from this proposal, so I'm in favor of the tags, even office=diplomatic (which doesn't seem much of an improvement, compared to the others). But I'm not convinced that adding the office=diplomatic tag to existing features is

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for wiki pages?

2019-06-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
it, we would have to get rid of the existing templates and switch to only using the wikibase data items, correct? I think we need to discuss if this is desired, before any more time is spent on adding all of those data items. -Joseph On 6/10/19, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 09.06.19 13:59, Joseph

Re: [OSM-talk] Reordering and rewriting Good Practice wiki page

2019-07-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
verifiability. The later two reference "verifiability" in the text, and "Map what's on the ground" is related, because the text of a sign or other real-world object is easier to verify than the accuracy of old maps. On 7/5/19, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 04.07.19 05

Re: [OSM-talk] Reordering and rewriting Good Practice wiki page

2019-07-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Good_practice#Section:_.22Check_the_history_of_important_objects.22: Joseph On 7/4/19, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > As mentioned, I plan to significantly shorten the "Keep the history" > section, with a link to the longer version at > htt

Re: [OSM-talk] Reordering and rewriting Good Practice wiki page

2019-07-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: "Try to keep changesets to a manageable size, both in number of changes and geographical scope." This would be good to add to "Good changeset comments" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments If a changeset covers a huge are or too many changes, it won't be easy to

[OSM-talk] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
hts? (You can also respond at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Any_tags_you_like) - Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
On 8/15/19, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Thursday 15 August 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> >> In contrast, the current text of the wiki page "Any tags you like >> suggests creating a new tag for bird nests (as an example) with >> Key:endangered_nest=Siberian_flyi

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
the Openstreetmap name. This isn't a matter of pride, it's a matter of whether Openstreetmap will grow and be recognized as an important source of geodata which people ought to get involved in improving. Joseph Eisenberg Wamena, Indonesia On 8/10/19, Kathleen Lu via talk wrote: > On Fri, Au

Re: [OSM-talk] 140 000 shops of unspecified type

2019-08-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Openstreetmap-carto, the map style used in the "Standard" layer on openstreetmap.org, will stop rendering features tagged with only "shop=yes" next release (probably next month). See: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/3718 - which removes the rendering Also see discussion

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed removal of rendering support for natural=marsh in Openstreetmap-carto style

2019-08-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
eature has been listed as deprecated for several years, with the recommended replacement being natural=wetland + wetland=marsh Most features with this tag have not been reviewed for several years; check if there are any in your local area which need updating. - Joseph On 8/1/19, Joseph Eisenb

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
"Gib jemandem den kleinen Finger und er nimmt die ganze Hand": "Give them an inch and they'll take a mile." ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Governance

2019-09-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
"curated, simple information on themain tags that are _used_" Originally this was maintained at Map Features (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features), and this page is still somewhat "curated"; not just any tag can be added, most of the very common tags are included, and many people are

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ems to allow rendered maps to show the logo of the map renderer and copyrights of other data sources on the map if they make up the majority of the data shown, without showing the Openstreetmap copyright notice or link. I think it's clear that several contributors disagree with this exception,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ite or any other website on the online or rendered map, then they have to include a link to Openstreetmap.org. Full stop. Please provide a practical real-world example where these requirements are impossible to meet, if I'm mistaken. - Joseph Eisenberg On 9/9/19, Simon Poole wrote: > To

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-09-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
)OpenStreetMap 3. Using OSM basemap with 2 and buildings (c)OpenStreetMap, (c) OtherDataSource It seems simpler to just clearly state "you need to include (c)OpenStreetMap on the map if you use OpenStreetMap" rather than making more complicated rules. - Joseph

[OSM-talk] Proposed removal of rendering support for natural=marsh in Openstreetmap-carto style

2019-07-31 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've proposed removing the rendering of natural=marsh in Openstreetmap-carto, the rendering stylesheet used for the "standard" map layer on openstreetmap.org https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/3829 The common tagging for a marsh is natural=wetland + wetland=marsh as with

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-31 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Besides the tech boosterism, another issue is that it's disingenuous if Facebook claims to be strongly supporting OSM, while continuing to keep their valuable user-provided data in a separate, proprietary database. Facebook and Google have the two best lists of POIs like shops and restaurants,

Re: [OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share?  | Re: Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-08-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Facebook probably shouldn't import all of their POIs directly into OSM. I understand that this could cause problems. But they could make available all sorts of useful data, including a separate overlay or service that allowed us to see where facebook POIs are located, and manually import them

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: "OSM map with a one percent of roads is far worse than having 101% of the roads mapped with the help of AI with 1% of extras, because fixing that 1% is far less work than adding 99% by hand" I'm not certain this is true. It might be very difficult to find the 1% of incorrectly mapped roads;

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The most well-know version is from Upton Sinclair's campaign to become governor of California in the 1930's: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair - See https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/11/30/salary/ Upton

Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop

2019-09-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
If a bus stop sign has a number, you can add this to the highway=bus_stop node with ref=* BTW, I wouldn’t call “hail and ride” part of tyr public_transport proposal. As the link shows, it’s clearly a separate proposal. But it sounds sensible, and I agree that if a route has no fixed stops it

Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop

2019-09-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
//wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=bus_stop - It looks like "ref=*" is already suggested for the Reference (number) of the bus stop, so it shouldn't be a problem. Joseph Eisenberg On 9/21/19, 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > > Ok ! > > it is “hail a

Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop

2019-09-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ot;bus stop number 1234" and it's for bus route A1, you could tag this way: highway=bus_stop ref=1234 route_ref=A1 But ideally you might also make a type=route + route=bus relation too, because most database users are not going to know about route_ref - Joseph Eisenberg

[OSM-talk] Reordering and rewriting Good Practice wiki page

2019-07-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
tory in certain editors, along with the section "Check the history of important objects" which duplicates advice in the Aerial Imagery section, to a new page, with a link: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Keep_the_history Joseph Eisenberg, User:Jeisenbe __

Re: [OSM-talk] Reordering and rewriting Good Practice wiki page

2019-07-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
istory compared to Tag for the renderer, for example. > Yves > > Le 4 juillet 2019 05:53:23 GMT+02:00, Joseph Eisenberg > a écrit : >>I've reordered and reworded several sections of the Good practice >>page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice >> >

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
to the dataset - in this case by subtracting those features which are already a very closely aligned to a `highway` way. - Joseph Eisenberg On 11/15/19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Fr., 15. Nov. 2019 um 12:41 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann > >: > >> Because the basis of

Re: [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych ? names of international objects

2019-12-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
nglish, French, Russian and Spanish. But there is no perfect solution, and as mentioned, most database users will want to pick a localized name of the form "name:=" so these tags should be added. - Joseph Eisenberg On 12/5/19, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > 5 Dec 2019, 22:12 by to...@disroot.o

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap-Carto release v4.24.0

2019-10-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Dear all, Today, v4.24.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: - Create darker river-color for

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.23.0

2019-09-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
OpenStreetMap Carto (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has released version v4.23.0 today. Changes include: - The low priority layers were changed to use the same labeling algorithm as the other layers This fixes a bug which rendered `parking` icons twice, among others. - Restored

Re: [OSM-talk] French OpenData improvements for distribution power networks

2019-12-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I imagine you are following the import guidelines? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct - Joseph Eisenberg On 12/21/19, François Lacombe wrote: > Hi all > > I'd like to let you know about a recent

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
unless openstreetmap can improve the originally imported data by checking it against reality. Remember, this is the "good practice" page we are talking about editing, not the "how things really are done" page: we want to focuse on the "Gold Standard", best

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-02-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ent raster tiles when requested. If you want to see this happen, we could use more volunteers with the time and ability to work out the issues. See: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3201 - Joseph Eisenberg * (I personally tried to stop rendering bays and straits a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-02-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
user can pick the language in that case. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/24/20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 24. Feb 2020, at 11:44, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> >> We're not there yet though; we're kind of shouting down Tomek because >> he's aggressi

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-01-31 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Dear all, Today, v4.25.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: * Remove rendering of

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-02-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
. That's the problem with relying on automated translation software... it doesn't work well.) - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/18/20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Since this issue is somewhat controversial, it would be best to create > a proposal page to suggest the proper way to tag continents, oc

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-02-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
moving the English name=* tags for continents and oceans, and perhaps for many of the seas, but it's important to get consensus about a major edit like this) - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/18/20, Tomek wrote: > W dniu 20-02-15 o 19:17, Steve Doerr pisze: >> On 15/02/2020 17:35, Tomek wrote: >&

Re: [OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ion or translation or in JOSM or iD directly, but couldn’t the Item:Q* page be created at that time? -Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
page should be be created by the Editor application at the time when the “description=“ is added. Is there any technical reason that would not work? Could a stub Wiki Tag: or Key: page be created instead or in addition? - Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk maili

Re: [OSM-talk] IME no proposals needed | Re: Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ere >500 created by bot over Christmas (Dec 25-26th), I think it's unlikely anyone has reviewed the recently created data items over the past few months. Most are content-free (key=value is the only property), but some probably need to be checked. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/19/20, Frederik Ramm wr

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> IMHO attribution should always be required 1. on the map 2. in high contrast Agreed. The main problem is that mobile devices, which are by far the most common ways of accessing maps around the world, are only required to provide attribution after a click or swipe, or even just on app startup

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
gible to me. Too many jargon terms. But I will note that "Slippery slope" is a logical fallacy, whether you use it to argue for stronger or weaker license enforcement and terms. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/19/20, Simon Poole wrote: > > Am 19.02.2

Re: [OSM-talk] copying numbering (ref)

2020-02-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> “ they don't really use numbers for roads except internally” If they do not post signs, and locals do not usually know the numbers, then there should not be a ref for those provincial roads in Openstreetmap. -Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing l

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t;© OSM" for a tiny watch screen or tiny map that is less than 200 pixels wide (but more than 100 pixels). It should only be necessary to use a tiny icon with a link to a separate page if the screen or image is less than 100 pixels wide. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/20/20, Mateusz Konieczny via talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Yuri, I did not find a way to open an issue about the bot (https://github.com/Sophox/sophox/tree/metabot/metabot is a branch, so any issues would appear to be about Sophox). Is there an appropriate place to request changes, besides Talk:Date_items? - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/19/20, Mateusz

[OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ans to maintain, and the page names are too obscure (Item: Q19947 is meaningless) to be scanned by humans. Therefore, I propose that Yurikbot be changed to only add new data items for documented tags which already have a wiki page in at least one language. I do n

[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Tagging] Tagging the local language

2020-01-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 2:49 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > or to use tricks like the “place=neighbourhood” one (which is based on > POIs rather than polygons)? > > It is certainly wrong to do this. > I think the “trick” here is referring to the stand at practice of mapping all place= features

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Tagging] Tagging the local language

2020-01-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
se=retail as areas with clear boundaries. - Joseph Eisenberg On 1/12/20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Sa., 11. Jan. 2020 um 01:30 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > >> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 2:49 AM Mateusz Konieczny >> >> wrot

Re: [OSM-talk] international project communication (was: names of international objects)

2020-01-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ub.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2278 Related to Bays/Straits: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3634 Joseph Eisenberg On 1/13/20, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > so we've heard a broad range of opinions here, and no doubt many things &

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting template parameters copied to data items

2020-01-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
features: a one-line description is not enough to explain how a tag is used. And it's much easier to translate a new page all in one place, in the text editor, than having to edit things in the wiki data item and also then write out the page. -Joseph Eisenberg On 1/15/20, pang...@riseup.net wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:man_made=embankment

2020-01-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
sense now. - Joseph Eisenberg On 1/16/20, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: > > maybe i asked it wrong, there is no way per say, it is a land fill and there > is something on the top, but to the > > tracers looking at bing it looks flat but it is a big mountain, on the one

Re: [OSM-talk] Too subjective & problematic Re: no-go-areas

2020-01-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
will not work for all USPS postal codes. Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Tagging the local language

2020-01-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
continents (with Africa, Australia and Antarctica). Geographically, Africa is connected to Asia, with only the artificial Suez Canal as a barrier, so 4 continents is also logical. Naming and dividing the oceans leads to similar issues. - Joseph Eisenberg On 1/8/20, Mario Frasca wrote: > On 07/

Re: [OSM-talk] SotM 2020: Scholarship review team

2020-01-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Deadline is 3 days from now? If the goal is to to include a wider variety of people from many countries, a longer deadline and messages in many languages would be a good idea. -Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 7:40 PM Christine Karch wrote: > Hi all, > > SotM WG is looking

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-12-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
, we could change the license to allow database users to pay for the privelege of not providing appropriate attribution. But right now this is not allowed by the current license. Joseph Eisenberg Disclosure: I have no personal financial interest in Openstreetmap, though I do spend lots of time and

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
tag for each region, it does not seem that there is enough support for that idea to happen, so for now we need to have name=* tags for things that are going to be rendered on global maps. (Note that Openstreetmap-carto does not render the names of oceans, continents and seas, but does ren

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

2020-03-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
SM map data." Lot's of buzz words there! But it sounds like it is a combination of computer algorithms and human checking for vandalism and errors. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/10/20, Michal Migurski wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I’m writing to let you know about a new OpenStreetMap project Facebook just

Re: [OSM-talk] checking before massive deletion

2020-03-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
) If they are just 1 or 2 kilometers off, then it would be worth keeping them with a fixme=* on each one for local mappers to correct the location later. But that doesn't sound like it is the case in this situation. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/10/20, Mario Frasca wrote: > hello here, > > I wi

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

2020-03-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
akes it clear that I used Esri imagery to map the streams and rivers, right? - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/10/20, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote: > Hey > > some ideas about identifying such changes: > > > Example changeset comment where a mapper did armchair mapping: > Data upda

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v5.1.0

2020-04-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
/openstreetmap-carto/compare/v5.0.0...v5.1.0 As always, we welcome any bug reports at https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Question regarding public_transport=stop_position

2020-04-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
e database which includes this information.) -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/3/20, Jack Armstrong wrote: > The wiki for public_transport=stop_position states, “If the stop on the > public transport route has a defined platform, there is no benefit in adding > public_transport=stop_position.

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It’s a database technically, but it’s a database purpose-built for making maps. Hence the name OpenStreetMap. The attribution goes on the map. This is not a difficult requirement to meet. —Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
. — Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:20 AM Tom Lee via talk wrote: > At the risk of repeating others' words, I strongly encourage participants > in this conversation to review the draft attribution guideline ( > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Draft_Attribution_Guideline) and &

[OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)

2020-05-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
. Getting rid of the Wikidata parameter would solve this.--Andrew (talk) 06:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)" I've also noted that often the links are wrong, because a tag like "craft=*" is not the same as the wikidata definition of "crafts".

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation: 1204546, polygon error.

2020-05-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
be mapped with coastline, since it is marine salt-water. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:57 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > has a ghosts water multipolygon, > > that keep moving over land. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wi

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Carto release v5.0.0

2020-03-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
All style users who upgrade to v5.0.0 should re-import the rendering database so that the changes to lua transformations will take effect. Because of this requirement, it may take longer than usual for this version to be implemented by the rendering servers for the "Standard" map tile layer at

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
se users, but would not suggest that the tag needs to be removed, and it might change status in the future based on use by mappers. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/18/20, Jmapb wrote: > On 3/17/2020 10:52 AM, Wayne Emerson, Jr. via talk wrote: >> However, among your examples you cite "gnis:fea

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ccording to best practices: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/18/20, Harald Schwarz wrote: > Hello, > > the creation of the object:* tagging was the result of many remarks and > disscussions. Most people agreed that the addr

[OSM-talk] New status for keys/tags in the wiki: "import" for tags that are only imported from an external database

2020-03-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
than only in another website or database, please make corrections. Also see update of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approval_status with this value. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/17/20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I would like to add a new status to > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-03-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Is there any update about the attribution guidelines? At this point is there a chance that further comments and concerns will be addressed, or is this a "done deal", where community input is no longer going to be considered? - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/19/20, Simon Poole wrote: > Th

[OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
d=* etc) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:gnis:feature_id https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q1607 - nhd-shp:fdate https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q1606 - nhd-shp:fcode -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)

2020-05-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I have removed the wikidata parameter from the Description template and it's related documentation page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v5.2.0

2020-05-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Dear all, Today, v5.2.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: - Add rendering for

[OSM-talk] OSM ↔ Wikidata - new tool encouraging automated / mechanical addition of wikidata tags

2020-10-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
d the wikidata <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikidata>=* tag manually 4. Wikidata query: display the Wikidata SPARQL query." What should we ask the developers to do so that this tool won't be encouraging every to violate the Autom

Re: [OSM-talk] Idea for improving mapping system

2020-10-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Would you mind describing the proposed system here, in a concise form? On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 7:36 PM TheAdventurer64 < little.banana.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > A user and I were talking about implementing a system for better mapping, > as described here: >

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned revert of added surface and tracktype tags without local knowledge in various countries

2020-07-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It's perfectly reasonable to add surface=unpaved or similar based on aerial imagery alone, if you have some experience in distinguishing different surfaces of roads and tracks from aerial imagery. Do you have evidence that most of the surface tags added by this user are unreliable? – Joseph

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

2020-08-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
No Relations are not collections - Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 9:23 AM Mike Thompson wrote: > I have come across a number of examples[0] of route relations where all > the trails in a given park have been put into a single relation. Is this a > recommended use for route

Re: [OSM-talk] Many processes not defined | Re: Proposal for Software Dispute Resolution Panel

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
s a famous American reformer (Upton Sinclair) often said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mikel Maron wrote: > Rory, I don't know about you, but I'm certa

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
While the benefit of making Potlatch 2 on AIR is small, the cost is tiny. 2500 Euros is an insignificant price to pay for supporting an editor which is still used by a couple of thousand long-term users. I support this expenditure. – Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 10:05 AM Alexandre

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
We should not ask anyone to do 2 months development work for 2500 euros. I believe this size grant is only enough for 1 to 2 weeks, based on international prices (though I do not have any paid experience in this field) - Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 4:08 AM pangoSE wrote: >

Re: [OSM-talk] Paid mapping

2020-06-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
, forestry etc., not for travel between settlements. – Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:17 AM John Whelan wrote: > I've noticed a number of highways being changed in Africa from > unclassified to track and from unclassified to tertiary.The ones I've > noticed are Appl

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Google earth, Google maps

2020-06-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
You should check the measurement directly from aerial imagery in iD or JOSM, or by visiting the location in person and measuring or estimating. On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:24 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > since the complainer removed the source (google map)

Re: [OSM-talk] Could/should editors detect/disallow huge changeset bboxes?

2020-06-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I mostly have mapped in parts of Indonesia where there was no data, and the new road or river was mapped for the first time. Usually I try to split roads and rivers every ~10 kilometers. - Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 8:46 AM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
[This is the current text:] This document is an attempt to summarize the expectations the OpenStreetMap mapper community has for OSM data users regarding the attribution required by the OpenStreetMap license. In line with the general culture of OpenStreetMap it does not try to provide step by

[OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
d make any comments for improvement if needed: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_attribution_advice -- Joseph Eisenberg (*Note that "everybody" does not include the interests of corporations, which are not persons, but rather the interests of individual mapper

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
the Anglo-American legal context so I removed it. However, perhaps there is a more polite way to say the same sort of thing, without seeming to invite "getting away with it?" -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 12:36 AM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
e benefits to both models, but the risks are much bigger on one side. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 2:44 PM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I agree with Mateusz that the wiki IS the project's standard document for > the meaning of tagging (from the perspective of data con

[OSM-talk] Updating of land/water polygons (based on natural=coastline) is too slow and unreliable

2020-11-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
is broken? -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] reddit AMA with some OSMF Board members. 15:00Z 9 Nov

2020-10-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Reddit is entirely blocked by all ISPs in Indonesia due to government policy, so I am not able to participate in any discussions on that website while I am living there. - Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 12:39 PM Rory McCann wrote: > Hello OSMers, > > Some of us on the OSM F

Re: [Talk-us] California is too big ;)

2018-11-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Northern and Southern California would work; make the split along the county boundaries just north of Bakersfield, which conveniently follow one line of latitude. It would also be possible to split the State into Northern, Central and Southern regions, but this would be harder to define. Joseph

Re: [Talk-us] California is too big ;)

2018-11-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Counties in California are very different in size and population. A few in the mountains have under 20,000 people and a rather small area. But Los Angeles county has 10 million people and covers a huge area. If 2 files become too big in a few years, it would be most useful to break up the states

Re: [Talk-us] Strange city boundary: Lee, Illinois

2018-11-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Yes. New York City has several counties within its borders. I believe Houston and several other cities in Texas cross county borders. On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 11:08 PM Adam Franco wrote: > Last summer there was a big thread Differences with USA admin_level > tagging >

Re: [Talk-us] US Bureau of Land Management Boundaries

2019-01-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This data is no less verifiable than national forest boundaries and federal wilderness boundaries; these generally need to be checked against official sources, just as BLM boundaries will. Municipal boundaries are perhaps even harder to verify than boundaries of BLM land and National Forests in

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In California some roads have signs that say “End Freeway”, about 1/2 mile before the first intersection, eg I-8 in San Diego. On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 1:04 PM Evin Fairchild wrote: > Nobody is saying that we should tag as motorways a road with a surface > intersection. I don't understand what it

[Talk-us] Monterey - Santa Cruz County line in Monterey Bay

2018-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
From the Help page, user kurtrad writes: > "A friend of mine says the Monterey/Santa Cruz county line in openstreets 3 > miles out to sea that travels from the mouth of the pajaro river to the north > south california boundary line is wrong. In openstreetsmap the line travels > west, south,

[Talk-us] Wilderness in National Forest?

2018-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've noticed that federal Wilderness areas in Northern California and Southern Oregon are mapped as if they are not part of the surrounding national forest(s). Is this correct mapping? On older USGS maps the Wilderness areas were always shown as being enclosed by the surrounding National Forest

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