Re: Connection center

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Ira,

On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 17:05:45 -0800 GMT (06/01/2023, 08:05 +0700 GMT),
Ira wrote:

>>> You can see the log by clicking the status bar in the main window.

Thomas>> And you can toggle the status bar on/off with shift-ctrl-L.


> Though I question the usefulness of the connection center at all then. The 
> transactions happen so fast there is no possibility to see anything and there 
> is no reason to not just limit the connection center view to the last event 
> or set of events or the last 1000 lines or something like that. There is no 
> reason the clear that log and every reason not to. I didn't know clicking on 
> the status bar would bring that up. I've probably only cared about that log a 
> couple of time in the many years I've been using The Bat, rarely enough I 
> would never remember a secret button like that.

You can hide it if you want. It is very useful for me.

> So as soon as I finished sending this message I clicked on the status bar and 
> it brought up an empty log. As I spend most of my time looking at virtual 
> mailboxes, I don't usually see a status bar with any information and at some 
> level was not even aware it existed.

Funny, I have  many lines of record there, and have also posted them here when 
I had a question.

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Re: Connection center

[Ira]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, January 5, 2023, 3:35:32 PM, you wrote:


>> You can see the log by clicking the status bar in the main window.

Thomas> And you can toggle the status bar on/off with shift-ctrl-L.


Though I question the usefulness of the connection center at all then. The 
transactions happen so fast there is no possibility to see anything and there 
is no reason to not just limit the connection center view to the last event or 
set of events or the last 1000 lines or something like that. There is no reason 
the clear that log and every reason not to. I didn't know clicking on the 
status bar would bring that up. I've probably only cared about that log a 
couple of time in the many years I've been using The Bat, rarely enough I would 
never remember a secret button like that.

So as soon as I finished sending this message I clicked on the status bar and 
it brought up an empty log. As I spend most of my time looking at virtual 
mailboxes, I don't usually see a status bar with any information and at some 
level was not even aware it existed. 

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Re: Connection center

[Ira]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, January 5, 2023, 3:35:32 PM, you wrote:


>> You can see the log by clicking the status bar in the main window.

Thomas> And you can toggle the status bar on/off with shift-ctrl-L.


Though I question the usefulness of the connection center at all then. The 
transactions happen so fast there is no possibility to see anything and there 
is no reason to not just limit the connection center view to the last event or 
set of events or the last 1000 lines or something like that. There is no reason 
the clear that log and every reason not to. I didn't know clicking on the 
status bar would bring that up. I've probably only cared about that log a 
couple of time in the many years I've been using The Bat, rarely enough I would 
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Re: Connection center

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Jernej,

On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 20:57:31 +0100 GMT (06/01/2023, 02:57 +0700 GMT),
Jernej Simončič wrote:

> On Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:14:50, Ira wrote:

>> I was guessing at an email address for a company and i failed. I brought up 
>> the connection center so I could see what the errors were but for some 
>> reason the connection center window is cleared at the end of the transaction 
>> instead of before starting the next one so it's impossible to see what went 
>> wrong. Could that be changed so that the results of the last attempt can be 
>> reviewed?

> You can see the log by clicking the status bar in the main window.

And you can toggle the status bar on/off with shift-ctrl-L.

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Re: Connection center

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, January 5, 2023, 20:14:50, Ira wrote:

> I was guessing at an email address for a company and i failed. I brought up 
> the connection center so I could see what the errors were but for some reason 
> the connection center window is cleared at the end of the transaction instead 
> of before starting the next one so it's impossible to see what went wrong. 
> Could that be changed so that the results of the last attempt can be reviewed?

You can see the log by clicking the status bar in the main window.

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Re: Connection center.

[George Salnik]

Howdy!


Вы писали 23.09.21 г., 2:07:50:
> Hello MAU,


>> It closes automatically here.

> Thank you. It does close here also, I just had a mailbox that was failing and 
> taking a very long time to timeout, never waited long enough before.  When 
> it's getting the other mailboxes it shows progress but on this one it didn't 
> show anything obvious so I thought it was done.

> -- Ira 


Here the trick (but needs a money and a place): what about to use 2 monitors 
instead one?
 
 
   

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Re: Connection center.

[Ira]

Hello MAU,


> It closes automatically here.

Thank you. It does close here also, I just had a mailbox that was failing and 
taking a very long time to timeout, never waited long enough before.  When it's 
getting the other mailboxes it shows progress but on this one it didn't show 
anything obvious so I thought it was done.

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Re: Connection center.

[MAU]

Hello Ira,


>  But if I click on Get New Mail For All, it pops up, I watch it get
> the mail but it stays up when the job is finished and I have to
> close it manually. It would be so much nicer if it closed
> automatically like it does when I send a message.

It closes automatically here.


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Re: Connection Center Suggestions

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Stuart,
  A reminder of what Stuart Cuddy typed on:
  Sunday, December 19, 2010 at 11:28:51 GMT -0600

SC> Hello TBBETA,

SC>   Following up on Marek's excellent list I have some suggestions/needs for 
the 
SC> Connection Center. It will not be nearly as extensive as Marek's fo please 
add 
SC> to it. 

SC> 1)  The 

Sent by mistake, follow-up to come.

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Re: Connection Center window size

[NetVicious]

lunes, 20 jul 2009 at 10:52, it seems you wrote:

> Sorry, must be more detailed: Size and place of the window is ok. But
> the place of the line between the different servers and the details
> seems not to be stored.

Only fyi ;-)
The line it's called splitter.

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Re: Connection Center window size

[Martin Schoch]

Hi

On Monday, July 20, 2009 10:30:39 AM you wrote:

> One little problem: The size of the connection center window seems not
> to be stored. The next time I start TheBat! it is back on a default
> size.

Sorry, must be more detailed: Size and place of the window is ok. But
the place of the line between the different servers and the details
seems not to be stored.

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Charlene Ferrara]

Hi Martin Sebald,

Monday, July 25, 2005 
you let us know -at least in parts- :
> Yeah, my CC looked exactly the same until this morning. Well, I cannot tell
> if I pressed a key or clicked with the mouse by accident. It usually does
> not happen that I click without wanting to click, but I cannot tell for
> sure I did not. But how do I get the CC back like you (and almost everybody
> else) has it?

> Attached a screenshot how it looks now after pressing on "details". Note:
> Nothing is happening in the grey window when up- or downloading mails.

I can reproduce this at will, too. Forward and back.
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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Martin!

On Monday, July 25, 2005, 6:34 AM, you wrote:

> sorry, forgot the link:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4988

Support note added.
It's important to be able to see Details! :)

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Martin Sebald]

Hi Mary,

sorry, forgot the link:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4988

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Martin Sebald]

Hi Mary!

 So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm?
>>> Did you add it to bugtrack?
>> No, not yet. I wanted to wait if this is one of the "Martin Sebald only
>> problems" only or if it is a _real_ bug. ;-) 
> Two confirmations, one from Roelof and one from Mary. I did three tests
> and the unwanted behavior occurred every time (once I stopped confusing
> the Connection Centre with the Message Dispatcher in my mind.  )
> Put an issue report on BT and I will support it.

Done. :-)

Thank you Mary and Roelof for helping me out with this issue.

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Martin!

On Monday, July 25, 2005, 6:24 AM, you wrote:

>>> So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm?
>> Did you add it to bugtrack?

> No, not yet. I wanted to wait if this is one of the "Martin Sebald only
> problems" only or if it is a _real_ bug. ;-)

Two confirmations, one from Roelof and one from Mary. I did three
tests and the unwanted behavior occurred every time (once I stopped
confusing the Connection Centre with the Message Dispatcher in my
mind.  )

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Martin Sebald]

Hi Roelof!

>> So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm?
> Did you add it to bugtrack?

No, not yet. I wanted to wait if this is one of the "Martin Sebald only
problems" only or if it is a _real_ bug. ;-)

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

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Hallo Martin,

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:28:42 +0200GMT (25-7-2005, 12:28 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MS> So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm?

Did you add it to bugtrack?

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Monday, July 25, 2005, 6:03 AM, you wrote:

>> Yes I can confirm.

>> Steps to reproduce:
>> Collect mail
>> disable the details
>> close TB
>> start TB
>> collect mail
>> enable details
>> the details pane stayed empty

> Not here.
> What am I missing?

Okay. Confirmed. Details show in the Message Dispatcher but not in the
Connection Centre when downloading mail.

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roelof!

On Monday, July 25, 2005, 5:57 AM, you wrote:

MS>> after restarting TB everything is again as it should! Yippie!

> Same for me, after I tried to reproduce it.

MS>> So I think that I pressed the "details" button by accident and the details
MS>> vanished. After pressing "details" again a grey box appeared but nothing
MS>> happened when downloading or uploading mails. See screenshot. After
MS>> restarting TB everything is as it should.

MS>> So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm?

> Yes I can confirm.

> Steps to reproduce:
> Collect mail
> disable the details
> close TB
> start TB
> collect mail
> enable details
> the details pane stayed empty

Not here.
What am I missing?

> close TB
> start TB
> collect mail
> the details are shown as they should

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Martin,

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:28:42 +0200GMT (25-7-2005, 12:28 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MS> after restarting TB everything is again as it should! Yippie!

Same for me, after I tried to reproduce it.

MS> So I think that I pressed the "details" button by accident and the details
MS> vanished. After pressing "details" again a grey box appeared but nothing
MS> happened when downloading or uploading mails. See screenshot. After
MS> restarting TB everything is as it should.

MS> So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm?

Yes I can confirm.

Steps to reproduce:
Collect mail
disable the details
close TB
start TB
collect mail
enable details
the details pane stayed empty
close TB
start TB
collect mail
the details are shown as they should

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Martin!

On Monday, July 25, 2005, 5:28 AM, you wrote:

> I think that I pressed the "details" button by accident and the details
> vanished. After pressing "details" again a grey box appeared but nothing
> happened when downloading or uploading mails. See screenshot. After
> restarting TB everything is as it should.

Glad that solved it!

> So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm?

Sorry, can't confirm. I followed your steps, and Details first hid and
then reappeared, just as expected, when I pressed the button again.

Freaky, huh?

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Martin!

On Monday, July 25, 2005, 5:20 AM, you wrote:

>  But how do I get the CC back like you (and almost everybody
> else) has it?

Have you checked out your setting in Options/Preferences/General?
Just on a hope, set it to Always.

Also, in Account/Properties/Options check Invoke Mail Dispatcher
in Mail Management.

Just something to try. If these options already are selected, change,
and then change back. Then re-launch TB!, to try to get its attention?

Just a thought. Maybe only something to do, like boiling water when
the arrival of a new baby is imminent.

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Martin Sebald]

Hi all,

after restarting TB everything is again as it should! Yippie!

So I think that I pressed the "details" button by accident and the details
vanished. After pressing "details" again a grey box appeared but nothing
happened when downloading or uploading mails. See screenshot. After
restarting TB everything is as it should.

So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm?

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Martin Sebald]

Hi Roelof!

>>> Press the "details" button.
>>> It's a bit difficult to understand what you mean with "usual", but
>>> that's the difference with my CC.
>> Ah interesting. Something grey appeared in the lower part of the CC. But
>> when downloading mails I don't see anything happening here. Everything
>> is grey there, nothing, no text, no graphics appear there.
> Just to compare note, my cc looks like this attachment

Yeah, my CC looked exactly the same until this morning. Well, I cannot tell
if I pressed a key or clicked with the mouse by accident. It usually does
not happen that I click without wanting to click, but I cannot tell for
sure I did not. But how do I get the CC back like you (and almost everybody
else) has it?

Attached a screenshot how it looks now after pressing on "details". Note:
Nothing is happening in the grey window when up- or downloading mails.

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Martin,

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:37:24 +0200GMT (25-7-2005, 11:37 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> Press the "details" button.
>> It's a bit difficult to understand what you mean with "usual", but that's
>> the difference with my CC. 

MS> Ah interesting. Something grey appeared in the lower part of the CC. But
MS> when downloading mails I don't see anything happening here. Everything is
MS> grey there, nothing, no text, no graphics appear there.

Just to compare note, my cc looks like this attachment

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Martin Sebald]

Hi Roelof!

>> take a look at the attached screenshot. What is going on and how do I
>> get the "usual" Connection Center back? I already restarted TB but it
>> apprears still this way. :-(
> Press the "details" button.
> It's a bit difficult to understand what you mean with "usual", but that's
> the difference with my CC. 

Ah interesting. Something grey appeared in the lower part of the CC. But
when downloading mails I don't see anything happening here. Everything is
grey there, nothing, no text, no graphics appear there.

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Martin Sebald]

Hi Hendrik!

>> take a look at the attached screenshot. What is going on and how do I
>> get the "usual" Connection Center back? I already restarted TB but it
>> apprears still this way. :-(
> Catch the border below the white surface with your mouse and drag it
> upwards... :) 

I cannot catch and drag this part of the window. The only things I can do
is clicking on the four buttons on the bottom and resizing the window.

The mouse does not change its cursor and noting happens when clicking
somewhere below the white surface.

Hm...

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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Martin,

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:43:53 +0200GMT (25-7-2005, 10:43 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MS> take a look at the attached screenshot. What is going on and how do I get
MS> the "usual" Connection Center back? I already restarted TB but it apprears
MS> still this way. :-(

Press the "details" button.
It's a bit difficult to understand what you mean with "usual", but
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Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!

[Hendrik Oesterlin]

"Martin Sebald" wrotes on 25/07/2005 at 19:43:53 +1100 
subject "Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!" :

> Hi all,

> take a look at the attached screenshot. What is going on and how do I get
> the "usual" Connection Center back? I already restarted TB but it apprears
> still this way. :-(

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Re: Connection Center Bug

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Cees,

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:40:07 +0200 GMT (13/06/2005, 22:40 +0700 GMT),
Cees wrote:

AY>>> And thanks "tomtpe" (if you are here).
TF>> Yes, that's me. I created my BT login when I lived in Taipei.

C>  and it HAD to be something unspeakable??   :grin:

When I couldn't use TB for a while and posted on the German lists from
Yahoo (my yahoo ID being tomtpe99), I was known as "Trompete" for a
while - German for "trombone".

tom = from Thomas
tpe = airport code for Taipei

I know use tombkk for some logins, with bkk = airport code for
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Re: Connection Center Bug

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Avi,

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:26:15 +0300 GMT (13/06/2005, 15:26 +0700 GMT),
Avi Yashar wrote:

AY> And thanks "tomtpe" (if you are here).

Yes, that's me. I created my BT login when I lived in Taipei.

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Re: Connection Center Bug

[Avi Yashar]

On 6/13/05, Bill McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Bill, why not add this observation in Bugtraq under the bug that I
> > have already reported at
> > https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4612
> 
> I have done so.

Thanks, Bill. And thank, Mary. And thanks "tomtpe" (if you are here).
It seems that this issue is gaining some momentum, and maybe there is
a chance now that Ritlabs will stop ignoring the issue. Maybe there is
a chance that Ritlabs will even take a little time to fix the problem
- possibly even before that long-imagined and perhaps imaginary day
when they finally will get IMAP to work right.

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Re: Connection Center Bug

[Bill McCarthy]

On Mon 13-Jun-05 12:25am -0500, Avi Yashar wrote:

> On 6/13/05, Bill McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> If I right click on TB! in the tray and select "Check
>> Mail for All," the Connection Center (CC) comes up and
>> I can watch it checking the accounts I have elected for
>> this operation.
>> 
>> However if I define a System Hot Key to do this, the CC
>> is hidden - this happens whether TB! is hidden or not -
>> it should not happen in either case.

> Bill, why not add this observation in Bugtraq under the bug that I
> have already reported at
> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4612

I have done so.

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Re: Connection Center Bug

[Avi Yashar]

On 6/13/05, Bill McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If I right click on TB! in the tray and select "Check
> Mail for All," the Connection Center (CC) comes up and
> I can watch it checking the accounts I have elected for
> this operation.
> 
> However if I define a System Hot Key to do this, the CC
> is hidden - this happens whether TB! is hidden or not -
> it should not happen in either case.

Confirmed in all respects, including Ian's observation about focus not
being handed over to TB is you bring up the CC from the task bar under
these conditions.

Bill, why not add this observation in Bugtraq under the bug that I
have already reported at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4612

Ritlabs introduced this problematic behavior of the CC in the 3.5
series, but after one month of complaints - ever since RC5 - RL still
has not even acknowledged that an issue exists. No one from RL has
ever even had the courtesy to respond on the subject, which I find
rather disheartening as a fairly long-time member of this tbbeta
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Re: Connection center observation

[Neal Laugman]

Martin

> Now and then I can see that the Connection Center waits for
> connection or termination of the last POP - and waits forever... I
> have to "Abort all task".

> It's difficult to give more information - but as said - this
> happens several times a day - it's not always the same account.

Yes - for quite a while, too. Might be nice to have these things time
out eventually. I really don't what the Connection Center on the Task
Bar and for it to hide (auto) but my IMAP account always is in the
queue, so it stays visible. Maybe I just don't know how to set this
up, but I don't think I have control over it.

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Re: Connection center observation

[Carsten Meyer]

Hallo Martin,

hiermit antworte ich auf die Nachricht vom 19.05.2005 (21:10 Uhr):

>> BTW: Are you able to close TheBat! after you had to "Abort all
>> tasks"? This was a problem for me with activated antivir-plugin.

MS> Yes. In this situation I can close the Connection Center with
MS> "Abort all tasks".

Most of the times, when a pop3-tasks hanged, I could close CC, but I
was not able to close TheBat! afterwards.

Trying to close The Bat! (Alt-F4), I get the warning "Some tasks are
now active. Do you want to exit when they are finished?" Yes, No,
Abort. (Although no tasks are shown in connection centre!)

Did you experience this behaviour?

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Re: Connection center observation

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, May 19, 2005, 1:41:26 PM, Martin Schoch wrote:

> It's difficult to give more information - but as said - this happens
> several times a day - it's not always the same account.

> Similar observations?

I just looked to see if wings flapping, and since were not looked at
CC. It had an account stuck at 37 minutes +. As soon as I deleted task
wings started for this e-mail (which came thru other account)

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Re: Connection center observation

[Carsten Meyer]

Hallo Martin,

hiermit antworte ich auf die Nachricht vom 19.05.2005 (20:41 Uhr):

MS> I have a lot of mail accounts - POP and IMAP.

MS> My configuration for "Get New Mai for all" is set that TheBat
MS> has to check 10 different POP accounts.

MS> Now and then I can see that the Connection Center waits for
MS> connection or termination of the last POP - and waits forever...
MS> I have to "Abort all task".

MS> Similar observations?

Perhaps somehow related to my (still persisting) problem with
anti-virus-plugins (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) and Mary
Bull's observation of AVs with MailDispatcher
(<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>).

My impression is, that the "task-accounting" sometimes "looses" some
of the tasks it has started. It seems, that it does not always keep
track of all the things happening in the background, like an
antivirus-plugin needing some time for scanning a mail or a lot of
connections opening and closing in very short time.

I deactivated the antivirus-plugin that "solved" the problem for me.
However, I remember a situation similar to yours. But this only
occured once, so I cannot confirm this for now.

BTW: Are you able to close TheBat! after you had to "Abort all tasks"?
This was a problem for me with activated antivir-plugin.

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Re: Connection Center problem

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Martin,

On Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 5:26:47 PM Martin [MS] wrote:

[...]
MS> But I have set a System Hotkey for "Check mail for all accounts".

MS> When pushing this hotkey Connection Center doesn't open.

MS> Bug or feature?

Don't know, at least from my PoV it's unconfirmed.  opens CC in
foreground, system hotkey opens CC in background (but opens it; I can
see it's icon in taskbar and switch to it, if I want [which I usually
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Re: Connection Center problem

[Avi Yashar]

On 5/14/05, Martin Schoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have set Options - Preference - General - Display Connection Center to
> "Automatically"
> 
> This works correctly when checking mail (Mouse on icon or Alt-F2).
> 
> But I have set a System Hotkey for "Check mail for all accounts".
> 
> When pushing this hotkey Connection Center doesn't open.

Or maybe it opens in the background - like the way it now does when
you select an account from the dropdown menu on the toolbar?

Either way though, my opinion is it's a bug. I have reported it to
this mailing list since RC5 and placed it on bugtraq. I would
appreciate it if someone could confirm the problem. I am almost
getting desperate enough to do a top-post or leave out my
sig-delimiter - just to get a response on this. :-)

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Re: Connection Center and "Details"

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Jonathan,

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 you wrote in 

JA> I normally run with my connection center open, with full details being
JA> displayed.  Today out of curiousity I turned of the details, and was
JA> left with a dark grey box, with no information in it at all.
JA> Shouldn't it at least have the connection status in it?

Same here.

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Re: Connection Center and "Details"

[Bobi Jam]

Hello Jonathan,

On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, at 23:52:41[GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which was
13:52 where I live) Jonathan wrote at
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> I normally run with my connection center open, with full details being
> displayed.  Today out of curiousity I turned of the details, and was
> left with a dark grey box, with no information in it at all.

confirmed!

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Re: Connection Center

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Christian,

@12-Feb-2005, 13:51 +0100 (12-Feb 12:51 UK time) Christian Grams [CG]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

... 
CG> .. as soon as the connection center opens and starts
CG> sending/recieving the whole computer slows down extremely!
... 

CG> Does anybody else experience these problems? Is there a workaround?

No, but what are you using for spam detection / virus scanning? Is
there something locking the data files in transit to perform a virus
scan? That's not going to help...

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Re: Connection Center Graphics

[dAniel hAhler]

Hello bats,

on Wed, 18. Feb 2004 at 11:15:53 -0500 Kevin Coates wrote:

K> The progress indicator shows up as a solid black circle when
K> downloading mail. I presume its supposed to be graphical display.

K> I have "Options|Graphical High Color Images" toggled on and using an
K> ATI AIW 9800 Pro with 1200x1600 display.

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Re: Connection Center (was: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/40 is now available)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello TBBETA,

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:03:59 +0700 GMT (18/01/2004, 22:03 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> "Abort" and start another - manual - dial-up process to my pay-for
> ISP. I used to be able to abort by just  hitting , as the Abort
> button was the default button on that pop-up error window.

> In beta 40, however, the Retry button is the default button instead of
> the Abort buttun . Why? TB retries automatically (unless you set the
> max number of retries to zero).

> Of course I can use the mouse to click on Abort, or I can find the
> little A-key on my keybaord among so many others. I find it easier to
> hit the  key, it's big and it's on the edge of that key field,
> so it's so easy to find. ;-)

> Could you change the default back, please?

Still not changed in 2.04 RC2.

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Re: Connection Center Hangs

[Dimitry Andric]

On 2003-04-05 at 23:37:39 Greg Strong wrote:

GS> Occasionally the connection center hangs.  The only way to get out
GS> of it is to open the Task Manager and end the task. I haven't
GS> isolated the cause.

I have this all the time, especially with SSL connections.  I can't
remember that it was otherwise, in any of last versions. It seems I've
gotten used to it, I kill The Bat all the time and restart it :(

This is one of The Bat's great weaknesses: the connection centre which
is impossible to quit out of when it thinks it's "busy". End Task,
here I come. :)

IMHO there should also be an option for timeouts on both incoming and
outgoing mail servers, as ANY other mail client has. That would at
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Re: Connection Center - Question

[Martin Schoch]

Hello Thomas F.

On Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:05:15 PM you wrote:

MS>>   - Disconnect the line or
TF> No.
MS>>   - Leave the connection because it was already established before ?
TF> Yes.
TF> And: That's the way (aha-aha) I like it. :-)

So do I! Some days ago it happened sometimes that the connection was
closed when TheBat had finished the download - now it works again as
described. Seems that the problem had an other reason... I have to
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Re: Connection Center (was: 1.54 Beta/22)

[Pete]

Hello Jonas,

4 Jan 2002, 16:29:09, you wrote:

JK> Very difficult. I don't know how to reproduce it. But sometimes,
JK> when TB tries to connect to 3 or 4 pop3 servers at the same time
JK> and when there are problems with your internet connection at the
JK> same time, the cancel button does not work. You have to click and
JK> click and click and wait... The effectiveness of the cancel button
JK> became much better, I confirm that, but is not 100 % optimal yet.

Do you mean "Abort" button? Works fine here. 98SE.

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Re: Connection Center (was: Still present...)

[Tony Boom]

This message: 23/12/2001 17:54 GMT.

Hello Pete,


  A reminder of what Pete ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  23 December 2001 at 17:52:59 GMT +0200

P> It's behind that "connection" tab which seems not to be there on
P> everyone's CC! Compare the images Tony and Dierk sent in this thread.
P> Really strange!


There is another check box that I assume has the same effect in
"Network and Administration"

Can't understand why I don't have it or the Connection Tab in my CC.

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Re: Connection Center (was: Still present...)

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On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:46:32 +0800GMT (which was 17:46 +0100GMT where I live),
Thomas F. thought about "Connection Center (was: Still present...)" and wrote:

PM>> Btw., I was really impressed of your connection centers, as I  never knew
PM>> anything else than shown in cc1.png. It didn't occur to me to tear on the
PM>> window's frame to make it larger... Wow, what a result.

TF> The Maximise button (square on the upper right hand corner) is greyed
TF> out, so you didn't know you could change the size. This is a
TF> (cosmetic?) bug, I'd say.

Yes, I'd say so indeed. It never came to my mind to try maximising, as I
was quite content with what I saw... ;-)

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Re: Connection Center (was: Still present...)

[Peter Meyns]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 11:05:08 -0500GMT (which was 17:05 +0100GMT where I live),
John Seymour thought about "Connection Center (was: Still present...)" and wrote:

TF>> Where is this checkbox? I couldn't find it.

JS>  Took a little searching to find this one.

JS>  Are your settings for LAN or Manual Connection set in
JS>  the Network and Administration options?

Thank you John, for clearing this up. :-) And it's so logical, too... ;o)

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Re: Connection Center (was: Still present...)

[Lars Geiger]

Hi John,
On 23 Dec 2001 at 11:05:08 [GMT -0500], you wrote:

JS> Took a little searching to find this one. I am on a cable connection
JS> so in my network options is set to a LAN connection, no tick box in
JS> CC.

Ah, of course. I think you got it pinned down. It's so simple.

Of how much use would a "disconnect" checkbox be for a LAN connection?
Or a "connection" tab? So the options you see depend on what TB! thinks
is useful for you (better: what you told TB! what was useful for you :).

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Re: Connection Center (was: Still present...)

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On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:52:59 +0200 GMT (23/12/2001, 23:52 +0800 GMT),
Pete wrote:

P>>> Also on Connection Centre the checkbox "dont't show error message,
P>>> just keep on retrying" (or something like that) works only
P>>> partially -
P>>> it keeps the error messages away alright but it doesn't keep on
P>>> retrying... :(((

TF>> Where is this checkbox? I couldn't find it.

P> It's behind that "connection" tab which seems not to be there on
P> everyone's CC! Compare the images Tony and Dierk sent in this thread.
P> Really strange!

Thanks, I compared the pictures more closely. My version is the same
as Nick's. How come we have different versions of the module
"Connection Center" in the same beta version?

I downloaded b/19 today at 15:04 +0800 by clicking on the link
provided by Stefan in his announcement for this beta ("Direct URL").

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TF> Where is this checkbox? I couldn't find it.

TF> Three more things I would like to report about the Connection Center,
TF> which are all present also in the current release version and should
TF> be fixed before a new release.


 Took a little searching to find this one. I am on a cable
 connection so in my network options is set to a LAN connection,
 no tick box in CC. I reset my network options to dial-up
 networking connection, still no tick box. Shut down and restarted
 TB and the box was there, at the bottom of the CC. Reset to LAN
 or Manual Connection, the box was still there until I restarted
 TB again. Are your settings for LAN or Manual Connection set in
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[Pete]

Hello Thomas,

23 Dec 2001, 17:21:32, you wrote:

P>> Also on Connection Centre the checkbox "dont't show error message,
P>> just keep on retrying" (or something like that) works only
P>> partially -
P>> it keeps the error messages away alright but it doesn't keep on
P>> retrying... :(((

TF> Where is this checkbox? I couldn't find it.

It's behind that "connection" tab which seems not to be there on
everyone's CC! Compare the images Tony and Dierk sent in this thread.
Really strange!


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Hi!

TF> 1.) When you are in the process of sending a
TF> message and hit Delete Task in the Connection
TF> Center, the message will not be sent. If you
TF> try to send it later, you get the error
TF> message "Nothing to Send" even though the
TF> message sits there in the Outbox. This can be
TF> remedied only by closing and reopening TB.

... or by opening the message for editing again
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[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, Thomas F!

TF> Excurse into cyber security: Unless you are really sure that you
TF> cannot have trojans on your machine, you should watch the LED's.

Surely, we should. Nevertheless, I would recommend to install a good
antivirus program (I prefer Kaspersky antivirus, www.avp.ru, but it's
a matter of taste and belief ;) to get warned about trojans on the
computer (and to update the antivirus definitions on a daily basis).
And a good firewall to not let the trojans (which weren't detected by
antivirus) to send any information from your computer. The two
firewalls that can do this job reliably (that is they really check
what program sends what), are ZoneAlarm (a very simple to setup, but
not as powerful as Tiny Personal Firewall) and Tiny Personal Firewall
(www.tinysoftware.com). I would recommend the latter - it has a very
powerful filter rules system, is evolving quite fast. The latest
version is 2.0 build _14_. If still not available on the official
download page, find there a link to the TinyFirewall YahooGroup, and
download from there.

TF> Check out the DDOS attack on http://grc.com (do take a look) -

This site is a good source for info on firewalls, too. ;)

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Re: Connection Center

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On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:37:38 -0700 GMT (10/06/2001, 12:37 +0800 GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

> No Thomas, take a look at that page... It's for Win NT, 2000 and 98. I
> have it on my Win 98 Box and works like a charm. You will be *very*
> pleased with it. ;o)

Thanks, I am: I managed to dislocate the wallpaper (which is a
catastrophe, as it is my roommates fav) and found it again . I
disabled the Win98 splash screen at reboot, and did some other little
changes. I almost lost all some icon associations to file extensions,
but luckily TweakUI has a "repair" button.

It's great fun! And it's unusually good (and small) for that software
house. I even like it that they name one of the tabs "Paranoia". ;-)

Anyway, Beep On Errors is on. Let's wait for an error: TB needs to
send the signal that an error has occurred.

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On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 22:45:48 -0600 GMT (10/06/2001, 12:45 +0800 GMT),
Shauna Scott wrote:

TF>> Thanks. It seems to be an NT toy. I searched for "Win 98 TweakUI" with
TF>> 0 results.

> The Win98 version is (or at least it used to be) included on the Win98
> CD - did you try searching that?

Thanks. I'm sure it is on the CD. I also have a big book about
Windows, which probably tells me how to install that thingy. The
problem, as always, is that MicrosoftŽ have taken great pains at
translating everything into Chinese. I have crashed my computer often
enough "assuming" I'm doing the right thing, and now I will only try
or install what I can read. ;-)

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Re: Connection Center

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On June 9, 2001, at 9:31:11 PM, Thomas F wrote:

> Thanks. It seems to be an NT toy. I searched for "Win 98 TweakUI" with 0
> results.

No Thomas, take a look at that page... It's for Win NT, 2000 and 98. I
have it on my Win 98 Box and works like a charm. You will be *very*
pleased with it. ;o)


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Hello Nick,

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 21:19:55 -0700 GMT (10/06/2001, 12:19 +0800 GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

>> TweakUI? Is that something under W2K? I don't think I have this.

> http://www.microsoft.com/ntworkstation/downloads/PowerToys/Networking/NTTweakUI.asp

Thanks. It seems to be an NT toy. I searched for "Win 98 TweakUI" with
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Hello Allie,

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:50:58 -0500 GMT (09/06/2001, 04:50 +0800 GMT),
A Curtis Martin wrote:

> The only way everyone can be satisfied on this issue is to implement a
> status bar in the main window. The status bar will [...]

Allie, this is far too complicated and not necessary. When I invoke
the ConCen manually, I obviously want to watch it (better than Str
Trek, actually).

OTOH When I'm composing an email and the ConCen starts automatically,
I obviously want to continue typing my mail - but I want to know the
ConCen is active, so a status bar showing that it is there, is enough.
I can click on it if I want to. I'm not asking for anything fancy.

This morning, I had set the Center to "Hide" (following last night's
postings of some gentle readers), thinking I don't need the
disruption. Suddenly the modem began freaking out, especially the TXD
and RXD LED's, and I was close to panic and pulling the plug when I
remembered what I had done. OK, Options / Preference / Show: and there
it was, checking as it was supposed to.

Excurse into cyber security: Unless you are really sure that you
cannot have trojans on your machine, you should watch the LED's. Check
out the DDOS attack on http://grc.com (do take a look) - hundreds and
thousands of people have these IRQ-bot style trojans unkowingly on
their computers and enable the cyber terrorists to shut down any site
at will. Do you want to be part of this? Also, a special kind of
trojans are the keyloggers. Do you want to broadcast your passwords to
these people? Even if you have a firewall and run AV and anti-trojan
software: like with viruses, you can be "hit" with a new trojan at any
time. Why think you are immune?

I switched back to show "Automatically". While typing this particular
message, the ConCen came up three times.

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Hello David,

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:04:25 +0200 GMT (09/06/2001, 07:04 +0800 GMT),
David van Zuijlekom wrote:

> I like to have the CC in the background when periodical checking,
> and on top with manual checking.

Why didn't I think of putting it into such a clear and
easy-to-undertand sentence? 

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Hello MaXxX,

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 23:21:32 +0200 GMT (09/06/2001, 05:21 +0800 GMT),
MaXxX wrote:

>> Yes, I totally agree with you on this. It's very annoying when I am
>> composing a message the CC pops up in the foreground. You manually
>> have to minimise it.

>> I have the CC set to hide because of that.

Yes, I did that. It's great if you know that all your accounts check
well. It's more inconvenient when you need to take a brief look at
waht is gong on.

> An idea that came into my mind upon seeing this is like that: the CC would
> get "on top" with manual checking of mail, but stay "on bottom" with
> periodical checks.

Absolutely. This is what I would like to see, too. Good idea.

> Additionally, it would REMAIN open (even if all its tasks were
> already finished/killed) if there was an error in any of them.

For me, the log does fine. Some accounts have problems checking every
second time. That's normal, I don't need the ConCen to stay open each
time there is a problem. I look up in the log whether I have been able
to connect at least once in the past hour, and if not, I go hunting
for the problem. There also used to be an acoustic "dong" whenever
there was an error. It was good.

At any time I want to know when the ConCen is open, and I need to take
a quick glance every now and then. If it stays open too long, I look
at the error.

A checkbox for "[ ] remain open upon error" instead of default
behaviour is my suggestion to complement yours.

Those of you on this list who don't have trouble connecting to their
ISP and downloading mails, will not understand it. Despite my cable
modem, my POP servers are located on three continents, and 90% of this
traffic goes through one single undersea cable conecting Asia with
N.America. In additon to that, sometimes my modem starts flashing like
a discotheque, and since a have I security-unaware roommate ("if I
don't say Yes when IE asks me whether to allow ActiveX, I cannot see
the website") which has led to trojans, viruses and all kinds of
trouble on my machine (good; this way I learn a lot of stuff about
internet security), so I cannot just ignore the LED's. If I know it's
the ConCen, everything is fine. Maybe mine is a special situation, but
shouldn't software stand up to more than the easy situation?

I would also like a little word (like "fixed") from anybody at Ritlabs
about the timeout as reported earlier.

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Hello MaXxX,

On Friday, June 08, 2001 at 23:21:32 +0200, MaXxX [M] wrote
concerning ' Connection Center':

M> An idea that came into my mind upon seeing this is like that: the CC would
M> get "on top" with manual checking of mail, but stay "on bottom" with
M> periodical checks. Additionally, it would REMAIN open (even if all its
M> tasks were already finished/killed) if there was an error in any of them.
M> This would, then, be a good place to add a behaviour so that an "errored"
M> account would NOT disappear from the CC, but instead remain there to be
M> inspected.

Yeah that seems logical to me. That's about the behaviour I would like
to see in the next version. I like to have the CC in the background
when periodical checking, and on top with manual checking.

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On Friday, June 08, 2001, at 9:07:50 PM, David jotted down the following text:

TF>> When I am composing an email and the ConCen starts up, it is in the
TF>> foreground, and I minimise it. Next account checks, same story. It is
TF>> highly disruptive; I wish it would stay in the background, unless I
TF>> invoke it manually.

> Yes, I totally agree with you on this. It's very annoying when I am
> composing a message the CC pops up in the foreground. You manually
> have to minimise it.

> I have the CC set to hide because of that. I hope they will change it
> back to the old behaviour.

An idea that came into my mind upon seeing this is like that: the CC would
get "on top" with manual checking of mail, but stay "on bottom" with
periodical checks. Additionally, it would REMAIN open (even if all its
tasks were already finished/killed) if there was an error in any of them.
This would, then, be a good place to add a behaviour so that an "errored"
account would NOT disappear from the CC, but instead remain there to be
inspected.

Precisely:

1. If it's a manual check
 -> get the CC on top
 -> otherwise leave it in the background
2. Download mail, as usual
3. For all accounts that have completed successfully
 -> remove them from the list
4. For all accounts that have ended in errors
 -> mark as "ERROR!", leave on the list
5. If any account is still downloading
 -> go to 3.
 -> otherwise go to 6.
6. Execute "disconnect when done" if this option is checked
7. If any account has an "ERROR!" mark
 -> leave the CC open
 -> otherwise close it

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