Re: Bye Bye The Bat....

[Thomas F]

Hi Dierk,

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:25:44 +0200GMT (31/08/01, 14:25 +0800GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> Actually I only wanted to ask one question: Why on earth do we talk
DH> with someone who isn't here anymore? And left with flimsy
DH> argumentation?

I replied for the benefit of members of this list who might have been
confused by his mail. He said in fact a lot of nonsense but made it
sound as if he had a point. I couldn't let that one pass without
comment.

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Re: Export messages

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Susanne,

On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 1:34:33 AM you wrote:

S> I'm trying to export some messages from TB in Unix mailbox
S> format, but I get stuck right away, after choosing this
S> under Tools.

S> The helpfile just confused me (I'm not an advanced computer
S> user ) and was wondering, if someone can give some simple
S> instruction on how to do this (for a whole folder).

Within the folder press +* to expand all threads that may stil be
collapsed.
After this press +A to select all messages.
Now use menu "Tools" / "Export Messages" / "UNIX Mailbox"
Select in the upcoming dialog where to save the mbox-file, confirm it and
you're done :-)
To verify the export is done you can use a text editor like notepad ... but be
aware: notepad is not able to handle the unix newlines correctly:
it simply does not show them :-)
So it might be all you see is a hugh one-liner :-)
If you have a *nix at hand you can test if export worked with e.g. 'mutt' ...
everytime I did it it worked like a charm :-)

If you've further questions: ask, I think this is one of very some fields I'm
able to help as *nix is my job *ggg*
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Re[2]: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!

[Andrew Ferguson]

Hey Dierk,

  My point was, and I think is still valid for others on this list,
  that The Bat! shouldn't be assessed on the weight of its BETA
  releases. I was in no way having a dig at Becky, I was merely
  pointing out that I see testing Beta software almost as a privilege
  that an individual can either take or leave, bug slagging The Bat!
  based on its beta code is unfair.

Andrew.

Friday, August 31, 2001, 4:25:44 PM, you wrote:

DH> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
DH> Hash: SHA1

DH> Hello Andrew!

DH> On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 6:23:35 AM you wrote:

>>   See you back here when you figure out that Becky is not all that The
>>   Bat! is. I have tried many email clients, but nothing has ever
>>   topped The Bat!

DH> I haven't ever used Becky, so won't say anything on that point. But,
DH> maybe it caters his needs. If he needs only what Becky can offer,
DH> well, why should he use any other mailer.

DH> Actually I only wanted to ask one question: Why on earth do we talk
DH> with someone who isn't here anymore? And left with flimsy
DH> argumentation?

DH> To cite Herman's Hermits: Let bygones be bygones ...


DH> - --
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Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Andrew!

On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 6:23:35 AM you wrote:

>   See you back here when you figure out that Becky is not all that The
>   Bat! is. I have tried many email clients, but nothing has ever
>   topped The Bat!

I haven't ever used Becky, so won't say anything on that point. But,
maybe it caters his needs. If he needs only what Becky can offer,
well, why should he use any other mailer.

Actually I only wanted to ask one question: Why on earth do we talk
with someone who isn't here anymore? And left with flimsy
argumentation?

To cite Herman's Hermits: Let bygones be bygones ...


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Re[2]: Attachments

[Raj]

Marck,

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, at 18:47:46 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:17 PM where I live) you
wrote:


MDP>> ... except that Raj has already said that the .att attachments
MDP>  ^^^ Make that "Dave" (sorry Raj).

You  are  not  100%  wrong. I did raise this point sometime back. And like I somebody 
said
most  of  the cases the attachment is rubbish. If its important then the sender 
reminds me
and & I use the tool from fentun.com.

There  is  still  a  problem with TB & RTF attachments though. One still needs to copy 
the
attachment  and  save  it  as  filenam.rtf  to be able to read it. I recollect the 
earlier
versions (maybe over a year back) did not have that problem.


TGIF, Have a great weekend!
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Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hi All,

On  Fri, 31 Aug 2001 at 14:23:35 GMT +1000 (8/31/2001 11:23 AM GMT +0700
where you think I live) "Andrew Ferguson"=[AF]typed the following :

[...]

>   See you back here when you figure out that Becky is not all that The
>   Bat! is. I have tried many email clients, but nothing has ever
>   topped The Bat!

I did in the past, so he will be follower of mine 

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Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!

[Andrew Ferguson]

Hey Alexander,

  How on earth can you base your decision to dump The Bat! on the
  quality and stability of it's BETAs??? Beta releases are announced
  as buggy and usually come with a disclaimer stating that they are
  far from perfect. If you are not prepared to put up with buggy software
  that is still in development, then don't use beta software.

  That The Bat! is a dog based on its betas is a lame point of view to
  take. Go back to the stable release.

  See you back here when you figure out that Becky is not all that The
  Bat! is. I have tried many email clients, but nothing has ever
  topped The Bat!

Andrew.

Friday, August 31, 2001, 6:24:39 AM, you wrote:

AT> I have been a faithful TB user for over a year. However, the last betas
AT> were more than disappointing. Bugs over bugs. And the essential missing
AT> features were still not fixed or implemented (did someone say true IMAP4
AT> support?). Another major complain of mine is the increase in memory
AT> usage. TB also feels more and more like a slow old animal, that needs
AT> its time to browse through my folders with hundreds of mails. 

AT> Now... has anyone tried Becky! V2.x?! I did, and I must say, that this
AT> is a wonderful little gem. It does everything TB should do (excluding
AT> the TB macro features, which I virtually never use)...and it does it
AT> without screaming or bugging or crashing my PC. Just have a look at its
AT> filter technique, and you will feel really tired of using TB's filters
AT> again.

AT> Anyways, I say bye to this newsgroup for I am not any longer a TB user.


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Re[2]: ZoneAlarm & TheBat

[Shauna Scott]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 10:07:58 PM, you wrote:

SS>> So I mainly go with the default settings, which allow all outgoing
SS>> traffic and only specified incoming traffic

TF> This is quite dangerous, if you happen to have spyware on trojans of
TF> any kind on your computer.

That's my concern, of course. I'm currently relying on my anti-virus
software and checking the logs occasionally, but it does bother me and
I'll be looking for alternatives when I have a chance.

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Re: Some improvements

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Mike,

Historians believe that Thursday, August 30, 2001 at 11:55 GMT -0400
was when, Mike Whalen [MW] typed the following:


>> JW> 1. Possibility to run compression and defragmentation eg.
>> JW> every 7 days... automatically - some kind of schedule... or
>> JW> running it from command line.

MW> Perhaps this has already been mentioned -- maybe it's already in there and I
MW> haven't seen it -- but I would LOVE a backup scheduler.

They don't even need to include a full scheduler, just a command line
parameter which could automate and activate the backup feature.  Then
you could use the Windows Task Scheduler or some such program.

There is an alternate option.  In the days before TB had an internal
backup mechanism, I had written a series of batch files to backup all
settings and messages.  Tony Boom polished them very nicely into very
usable scripts.  If you're interested, it might be possible to
convince him to repost his versions.  You can see a good thread on
this issue in the TBBETA archives (I hope) from July 26-27.
The subject was: "Backup and Restore of mail folders -- messages"

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Re: ZoneAlarm & TheBat

[Thomas F]

Hi Shauna,

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:04:47 -0600GMT (31/08/2001, 10:04 +0800GMT),
Shauna Scott wrote:

SS> So I mainly go with the default settings, which allow all outgoing
SS> traffic and only specified incoming traffic

This is quite dangerous, if you happen to have spyware on trojans of
any kind on your computer.

I am currently quite happy with Tiny Personal Firewall:
www.tinysoftware.com (freeware for personal use, and I found it easy
to configure).

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Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!

[Thomas F]

Hi Alexander,

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:24:39 +0200GMT (31/08/2001, 04:24 +0800GMT),
Alexander Turcic wrote:

AT> Anyways, I say bye to this newsgroup for I am not any longer a TB user.

Thanks for your crossposting without sensible contents, and for your
lack of interest to discuss (and BTW this is a mailing list, not a
newsgroup). Good riddance.

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Re: SMTP server - setting up

[Raj]

Andrew,

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, at 14:19:44 [GMT +0100] (which was 6:49 PM where I live) you
wrote:

a> Can I set-up my own smpt server. Is this possible on my PC or do I do
a> this on my webspace? (novice as I say). If so on either can anyone
a> suggest simple software I should use?

Personally  I  use  the ADR (www.mailutilities.com) They have link from the RIT Labs 
site.
Its  been  working  fine.  I  too  have  multiple  ISP's  (cannot depend on one). Plus 
the
deliveries are fast.

Ah, I forgot to mention, this is not free though. IMHO worth paying for it though.

TGIF, Have a great weekend!
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Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/7 - auto launching anti-virus program

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello William & others on this TB! list & following this thread,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, you stated regarding TB! V1.54 Beta/7 -
auto launching anti-virus program:

JR>>   Currently I save all attachments, open my anti-virus program
JR>>   (PC-cillin) & run a check on the individual file.

WM> Have a look at www.nod32.com
WM> This AV product scans all mail/attachments as they are being
WM> d/loaded. Great for multi-accounts. Works fine with TB!

Ditto for DrWeb.  It's SpIDer Guard let's me know
which downloaded file is infected, in which folder it's in, what
virus it has and asks me what I want to do about it (i.e. lock the
file).

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Feature Request: Printer set-up..

[Foster, Graham]

To simplify the zillions of places you can now alter fonts and colours, I
thought it would be a good idea to add a button to set your printer output
settings for font sizes colours etc to be the same as your on screen viewer
options... have them "tied" together even. At the moment, there isn't as
much functionality in the printed version of the messages as you can get on
screen, and its a pain to keep duplicating all the settings

Just a thought
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Re[3]: ZoneAlarm & TheBat

[Shauna Scott]

Hello Jan,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 6:15:14 PM, you wrote:

JR> Hello Shauna,
JR> Shauna> [...] I finally switched firewalls. [...]

JR>   May I ask what firewall you switched to? And how do you like
JR>   it?

I'm using EZ Trust Firewall. It comes in a package with their
anti-virus program (which used to be InnoculateIT PE). I'm more or
less happy with it - it seems to do the job, but I find it less
user-friendly than ZoneAlarm. The thing I like least about it is that
it blocks everything, incoming and outgoing, by IP address only. So if
I want to put a selective block on outgoing traffic, I have to do
things like specifically allow access to every web site I visit, which
quickly becomes a real pain. So I mainly go with the default settings,
which allow all outgoing traffic and only specified incoming traffic
(and I don't have any specified). The other thing I don't like is that
trying to use MAPI to call up TB results in at least 2 warning
messages every time - I haven't figured out a way to disable that (it
seems to be the "DeskShield" component that gives the warnings, and
there's no configuration options that I can find). Still, as I say, it
seems to do the job and it's less annoying than ZoneAlarm was, so
it'll do until I have time to look for something better.

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Re: What is auto-format *supposed* to do?

[Avenarius]

A Bat-fellow, Timothy J. Luoma,
wrote on Thursday, 30th August 2001 at 23:15:33 (GMT -0700 PDT),
which was Friday 8:15 a.m. in Bratislava, Slovakia --

TJL> If I paste a really long line into a Compose window, it doesn't wrap.

TJL> So I highlight the line and do control-shift-F to reformat it.

TJL> But it doesn't.

TJL> What's the solution to reformat an overly long line -- or will
TJL> theBat do it when I hit send?

No, thankfully. That is the wonderful thing about TB editor, it does
not change or reformat anything after you hit send. What you see is
what you get.

Your solution is:

you don't need to highlight anything in order to re-format long lines.
Just switch the Auto-format on by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+F, and then
insert a space anywhere inside the long line and again delete that
space using the backspace key. The long line will instantly be
re-formated to the proper line length.

The same thing works for quoted long or straggling lines! This sort of
auto-format (automatic re-flowing of quoted text from previous emails)
is a magnificent feature of The Bat, something that *instantly* made
me abandon Outlook and choose The Bat.

A RELATED WISH: Please, RITlabs, let the Status Bar in TB editor show
us whether AutoFormat is currently switched on or off.

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Re: ZoneAlarm & TheBat

[Melissa Reese]

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On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 07:18:23 AM PDT, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:


> ZoneAlarm does not want to let TheBat access the Internet,
> especially for *sending* email, even though it is listed in the list
> of Programs in ZoneAlarm that are allowed Internet access.

Hello Timothy,

Something may have become corrupt (duh...). I can think of two things
you might try...

1) Go into the "Programs" panel of ZA/ZAP, remove TB! from it
(right-click on the TB! section, and remove), re-start your computer,
and see if ZA asks for new "permissions" for TB! when you try to check
or send mail again.

Or...

2) There is a file called "IAMDB.RDB".  This, if I'm remembering
correctly, holds the "Programs" configurations for ZA/ZAP.  If you
delete this file, then re-start, ZA/ZAP will start over with a fresh
file (you'll need to re-grant all your program permissions).

[If you want to be careful, perhaps just rename or copy that file to
somewhere else before you delete it, and re-start. See if ZA creates a
new file and starts over with a "clean slate" of program permissions.]

I have WinME, so this file is in my "C:\Windows\Internet Logs".
According to the ZAP FAQ, for "refreshing" ZA's settings:

"For Windows NT and Windows 2000, remove the files in \WINNT\Internet
Logs."

I remember removing the IAMDB.RDB file once, re-starting, and all
seemed well after that.  I just had to re-grant all my program
permissions.

To make sure of all this before you try anything, for a quick answer,
you may want to ask about this in either this Usenet news group:

comp.security.firewalls

Or, in the news.grc.com news group:

grc.security.software

Good luck!

Melissa
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Re: replies to me in lists

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi andrew,

On 31 August 2001 at  00:14:11 +0100 (which was 00:14 where I live)
andrew wrote to David Elliott and made these points:

a> So I'm wondering if someone could explain how :)

a> I'm assuming that this will be achieved either by filtering the
a> 'In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' field which was
a> like this and I'm homing will now be 'In-Reply-To:
a> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' But if this is what I need
a> to filter on how do I write the filter to look for 'In-Reply-To:
a> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

It's simpler than that. Just filter for presence 'Yes' of the string
'\[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (without quotes) in 'kludges' and turn on the
regular expression option for that filter. That's what I use and it's
never got one wrong yet!

Of course, if someone replies with a non-threading client, then it
fails.

Wishlist: clairvoyant features - DWIM switch on filters (Do What I
  Meant).

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Re: ZoneAlarm & TheBat

[Allie C Martin]

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Hi Timothy,
On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:18:23 -0700 (PDT), you contributed this to our
collective wisdom:
...
TJL> ZoneAlarm does not want to let TheBat access the Internet,
TJL> especially for *sending* email, even though it is listed in the
TJL> list of Programs in ZoneAlarm that are allowed Internet access.

TJL> Is anyone else having this problem?

TJL> I am using the newest versions under Win2k.

I know of this problem and experienced it when I tried ZoneAlarm many
months ago. You have to make your ISP mail server a trusted IP for your
mail to work.

Good luck though and if you begin having connectivity problems as I did,
then uninstall ZoneAlarm .. .. Fast.

Tiny Personal Firewall is also free for personal use. It's just as
effective as ZoneAlarm at what it does, it works great in Win2k and last
but not least, it doesn't interfere with TB!. :-)

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Re[2]: ZoneAlarm & TheBat

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Shauna,

On Thursday, August 30, 2001 17:57:45 [ -0600 GMT], you wrote
the following in regards to 'ZoneAlarm & TheBat':

Shauna> [...] I finally switched firewalls. [...]

  May I ask what firewall you switched to? And how do you like
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Re: ZoneAlarm & TheBat

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Hi Shauna,
On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:57:45 -0600, you thoughtfully wrote the
following:
...
SS> Do you get a message that access is blocked or does it just not go
SS> through? I used ZoneAlarm Pro and Win2k on my laptop for a while - I
SS> found that it worked most of the time, but occasionally, for no
SS> apparent reason, I would be unable to access e-mail. Shutting down
SS> ZoneAlarm and restarting it always fixed the problem, but it got too
SS> annoying and I finally switched firewalls. However, I had no
SS> problems at all using various (free) versions of ZoneAlarm on this
SS> computer, running WinNT4, so it seems to be strictly a Win2k issue
SS> (I've also heard of other people having problems of various kinds
SS> with ZoneAlarm and Win2k).

Your experience is identical to mine. I now use either Tiny Personal
Firewall  or BlackICE which both work just fine in Win2k.

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Re[2]: ZoneAlarm & TheBat

[mailing]

hi andrew!

i had this problem too, my solution was to add the mail server to the
trusted zone servers. somewhere in the configuration zonealarm lets
you define some trusted addresses. i don't use zonealarm anymore so i
couldn't tell you the correct procedure.

HTH,
dave


> Hello Timothy,
> Friday, August 31, 2001, 3:18:23 PM, you wrote:

TJL>> ZoneAlarm does not want to let TheBat access the Internet, especially for 
*sending* email, even though it is listed in the list of Programs in ZoneAlarm that 
are allowed Internet access.
TJL>> Is anyone else having this problem?
TJL>> I am using the newest versions under Win2k.

> I've been using zone alarm and bat! together for about 3 years and
> have never had a problem. I'm running win 98 though and if a new
> version of zone alarm has been released very recently (last few weeks)
> I may not have it yet.

> Hope it helps


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ZoneAlarm & TheBat

[Timothy J. Luoma]

ZoneAlarm does not want to let TheBat access the Internet, especially for *sending* 
email, even though it is listed in the list of Programs in ZoneAlarm that are allowed 
Internet access.

Is anyone else having this problem?

I am using the newest versions under Win2k.

Thanks 


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Re: ZoneAlarm & TheBat

[Shauna Scott]

Hello Timothy,

Friday, August 31, 2001, 8:18:23 AM, you wrote:


TJL> ZoneAlarm does not want to let TheBat access the Internet,
TJL> especially for *sending* email, even though it is listed in the
TJL> list of Programs in ZoneAlarm that are allowed Internet access.

TJL> Is anyone else having this problem?

Do you get a message that access is blocked or does it just not go
through? I used ZoneAlarm Pro and Win2k on my laptop for a while - I
found that it worked most of the time, but occasionally, for no
apparent reason, I would be unable to access e-mail. Shutting down
ZoneAlarm and restarting it always fixed the problem, but it got too
annoying and I finally switched firewalls. However, I had no problems
at all using various (free) versions of ZoneAlarm on this computer,
running WinNT4, so it seems to be strictly a Win2k issue (I've also
heard of other people having problems of various kinds with ZoneAlarm
and Win2k).

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Export messages

[Susanne]

Hi,

I'm trying to export some messages from TB in Unix mailbox
format, but I get stuck right away, after choosing this
under Tools.

The helpfile just confused me (I'm not an advanced computer
user ) and was wondering, if someone can give some simple
instruction on how to do this (for a whole folder).


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Re[2]: replies to me in lists

[andrew]

Hello David,

To re-open this thread... (thanks to TBUDL) I now have my smtp
access sorted so that I can send mail from my domains :))

And I think someone said in this thread that if I had my own domain
mail I could achieve a filter to flag replies to me not just in TBUDL
but also on yahoo groups etc.

So I'm wondering if someone could explain how :)

I'm assuming that this will be achieved either by filtering the
'In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' field which was
like this and I'm homing will now be 'In-Reply-To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' But if this is what I need
to filter on how do I write the filter to look for 'In-Reply-To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

I've also considered working the filter on the 'to:' field but i don't
think this will work as some lists don't personalise it and the filter
would then conflict with my personal mail.

help :))


Tuesday, August 28, 2001, 1:51:21 PM, you wrote:

DE> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
DE> Hash: SHA1

DE> Salutation andrew

DE> On 28 August 2001 at 13:24:47 +0100 (which was 13:24 where I live) andrew
DE> wrote and made these points


a>>   Some time ago someone posted a really useful filter that colour coded replies to
a>>   mails I have posted on email lists, so that you can see immediately
a>>   that you had replies to your mail. From memory I think the filter
a>>   looked for
a>>   In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
a>>   or References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
a>>   in the header of the mail to do this filtering. But I'm not sure the
a>>   above is the same as [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is what I'd expect to
a>>   be seeing inreplyto.

DE> The In-Reply-To: is used by the mail user agent (The Bat!) to sort the
DE> messages (etc) and not to say who to return the message to. This information
DE> is kept in the following headers.

DE> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DE> From: andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DE> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DE> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DE> X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

DE> and will be used differently as to how you want to reply to it.

a>>   Does anyone know how to set this filter up?

DE> If you use the message id it will find only one message thread as the ID
DE> should change with every new message the you create. (Not a good idea.)


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Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!

[Alexander Turcic]

I have been a faithful TB user for over a year. However, the last betas
were more than disappointing. Bugs over bugs. And the essential missing
features were still not fixed or implemented (did someone say true IMAP4
support?). Another major complain of mine is the increase in memory
usage. TB also feels more and more like a slow old animal, that needs
its time to browse through my folders with hundreds of mails. 

Now... has anyone tried Becky! V2.x?! I did, and I must say, that this
is a wonderful little gem. It does everything TB should do (excluding
the TB macro features, which I virtually never use)...and it does it
without screaming or bugging or crashing my PC. Just have a look at its
filter technique, and you will feel really tired of using TB's filters
again.

Anyways, I say bye to this newsgroup for I am not any longer a TB user.

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Re[4]: Attachments

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, August 30, 2001, 1:28:01 PM, Vincent - D. Ertner wrote:

> Maybe for the original problem too? The Bat! still doesn't save
> attachments to a properly defined directory ... ;-((

It does here.

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Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/7 - auto launching anti-virus program

[William Moore]

Hello Jan,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 6:16:37 PM, you wrote:
JR>   Currently I save all attachments, open my anti-virus program
JR>   (PC-cillin) & run a check on the individual file.

Have a look at www.nod32.com
This AV product scans all mail/attachments as they are being
d/loaded. Great for multi-accounts. Works fine with TB!

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Re[3]: Attachments

[Vincent - D. Ertner]

Hi Co-Batties,



> See, I knew *somebody* would have an answer :)

Maybe for the original problem too? The Bat! still doesn't
save attachments to a properly defined directory ... ;-((

Cheers,

Vince


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Re[3]: SMTP server - setting up

[andrew]

Hello Serge,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 5:00:27 PM, you wrote:
SS> What I actually meant is that you may need *different* smtp to
SS> relay to depending the route you actually enter the Net. "Relay"
SS> is the right term and "highest level smpt" is not. Thank you.

thanks all :)


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Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/7 - auto launching anti-virus program

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Hail jan

On 30 August 2001 at 13:16:37 -0400 (which was 18:16 where I live) Jan
Rifkinson rearranged electrons to get

JR> Support for virus protection E-mail can be used to spread viruses
JR> disguised as file attachments.

JR> Can TB! do this? And, if so, how?

If you set The Bat! to save attachments in a 'Separate in a Special
directory'. Then I would hope that PC-cillin scan the files.

This option can be found in Account | Properties | Files & directories |
Attachments | Keep attachments files.

JR>   Currently I save all attachments, open my anti-virus program
JR>   (PC-cillin) & run a check on the individual file.

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Re: Attachments

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On 30 August 2001 at  18:25:19 +0100 (which was 18:25 where I live)
Marck D Pearlstone wrote to Peter Palmreuther on TBUDL and made these
points:

MDP> ... except that Raj has already said that the .att attachments
 ^^^ Make that "Dave" (sorry Raj).

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TB! V1.54 Beta/7 - auto launching anti-virus program

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello TBUDListers.

   I noticed the following feature listed on the Poco Mail
   website:

 Support for virus protection E-mail can be used to spread
 viruses disguised as file attachments. PocoMail can launch
 your virus scanner automatically on any attachment
 received, or you can specify only certain file types that
 would initiate your virus scanner.

  Can TB! do this? And, if so, how?

  Currently I save all attachments, open my anti-virus program
  (PC-cillin) & run a check on the individual file.

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Re: Attachments

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Hi Peter,

On 30 August 2001 at  18:46:17 +0200 (which was 17:46 where I live)
Peter Palmreuther wrote to Leif Gregory on TBUDL and made these
points:

PP> Thx for your addition, maybe it helps Raj to understand why it's
PP> not important to _really_ care about '.att' files ...

... except that Raj has already said that the .att attachments are
/real/ files which are seen perfectly by OE and MSE clients ... hence
my "fentun" suggestion.

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Re[2]: Attachments

[Dave Gorman]

Hello Marck,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 11:03:16 AM, you wrote:

MDP> Their "Exchange" configuration uses a Micro$oft proprietary format for
MDP> attachment encoding. You have to ask the sender to modify the settings
MDP> for your address in their configuration.

MDP> There is an ancient utility called Fentun which can decode these. See
MDP> http://www.fentun.com/.

See, I knew *somebody* would have an answer :)

Thanks a lot for the info, Marck. I'll check it out!

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Re: Attachments

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Leif,

On Thursday, August 30, 2001 at 6:31:29 PM you wrote (at least in part):

LG> Most of the .att attachments I get are server responses on a bounce. I
LG> just associated .att files with Textpad to view them in, because it
LG> shows in detail why the bounce occurred.

OK ... another possibility ...
Knowing that it seems I'm a lucky one, bounces returned to me contain the
reason for bouncing _inline_ within the message :-)
Maybe it's only because most the time I get bounces they're returned by our
qmail-server ?!? ... Doesn't matter, I've not associated them, I choose
manually 'GViM' as application in the seldom case I really want to have a look
at one :-)))

Thx for your addition, maybe it helps Raj to understand why it's not important
to _really_ care about '.att' files (only in some cases and mainly nearly
never if X-Mailer equals 'Microsoft Outlook.*' :-))) )
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Re: Some improvements

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Jacek,

On Thursday, August 30, 2001 at 2:27:47 PM you wrote (at least in part):

JW> so I guess they will implement everything in the next version. :-)
   ^^
I hope not *ggg*
Can you image what a monster download it would be to have _everything_
implemented in the next TB! version? *GGG*

Ciao Pit

P.S.: The answer is '42'
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Re: Attachments

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Hello Peter,

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 at 17:48:40 [GMT +0200], you wrote:
PP> Try saving this '.att' files and have a look into them with a
PP> plain text viewer: most the time it's Trash :-)
PP> HTH Pit

Most of the .att attachments I get are server responses on a bounce. I
just associated .att files with Textpad to view them in, because it
shows in detail why the bounce occurred.

Cheers,
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Re: trouble with templates

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Dwight,

On Thursday, August 30, 2001 at 6:01:24 PM you wrote (at least in part):

DAC> It would be a good addition to be able to select text and then 'reply
DAC> to all' or 'forward,' instead of being limited to 'reply'

correct :-)
How long is this already on the 'Wish-List'? I'm to lazy to have a look for it
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Re: Some improvements

[Jacek Wojaczynski]

Hello Thomas,

on Thursday, August 30, 2001 you wrote:

> Why don't you send them officially to Ritlabs:
> Help / Feedback / Suggestions.

I did.

The address was: CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I hope it was delivered, becuase I got my e-mail
to TBUDL returned... it seems that my SMTP server
is on the RSS abuse list ;-(

What is about CC: field if I get return for the
To: address? Was it delivered or not? I am not
sure now... but I think it was, because I didn't
receive any returns...

I did not receive any answer... so I guess they will
implement everything in the next version. :-)

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Re: Attachments

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Dave,

On 30 August 2001 at  10:28:11 -0500 (which was 16:28 where I live)
Dave Gorman wrote to Raj and made these points:

R>> 2. Attachments from a particular person who uses Outlook (I pity
R>> him) comes to as message.att and I am unable to open the same.
R>> Attachments from his colleagues also using outlook are recvd fine.
R>> Any ideas ??

DG> I've seen this "message.att" problem many times myself, but have
DG> yet to find an answer. I would certainly be curious if anybody
DG> has an explanation for this...

Yes.

Their "Exchange" configuration uses a Micro$oft proprietary format for
attachment encoding. You have to ask the sender to modify the settings
for your address in their configuration.

There is an ancient utility called Fentun which can decode these. See
http://www.fentun.com/.

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Re[2]: SMTP server - setting up

[Serge Skorokhodov]

Hello Marck,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 6:31:47 PM, you wrote:

SS>>> You can setup you own smtp relay server.

a>> any idea how or with what software?

> For freeware, there's Mercury from the makers of Pegasus. I
> have used MDaemon for years and it works well but is (these
> days) a bit pricey. You can also look at the various freeware
> and shareware sites on the web to find alternative options. See
> e.g. http://www.nonags.com.

Or Hamster at http://home.t-online.de/home/juergen.haible/.

SS>>> And change the "highest" level smtp depending on the
SS>>> provider you are connected at the moment.

> I don't know that this is relevant. The "level" of SMTP is
> usually about incoming SMTP mail, which will *not* apply to you
> because you're only looking to run your own outbound SMTP
> service.

What I actually meant is that you may need *different* smtp to
relay to depending the route you actually enter the Net. "Relay"
is the right term and "highest level smpt" is not. Thank you.

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Re[2]: trouble with templates

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, August 30, 2001, 10:30:17 AM, Peter Palmreuther wrote:

> FYI: TB! decides what to insert as '%QUOTES' by searching for '-- '
> (dash,dash,space,newline) as siganture delimeter ... everything
> above that is 'original message text to be quoted', EXCEPT: you
> selected some text and hit F4 :-)

It would be a good addition to be able to select text and then 'reply
to all' or 'forward,' instead of being limited to 'reply'

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Re: What is auto-format *supposed* to do?

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Hi Timothy,

On 31 August 2001 at  23:15:33 -0700 (PDT) (which was 07:15 where I
live)  Timothy J. Luoma wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made
these points:

TJL> If I paste a really long line into a Compose window, it doesn't
TJL> wrap.

There is a new "Paste formatted" command (Shift-Ctrl-Ins) to handle
this since often you want to paste and retain the unformatted (aka
pre-formatted) nature of what you are pasting.

TJL> So I highlight the line and do control-shift-F to reformat it.

TJL> But it doesn't.

It wouldn't. Alt-L will (or Alt-J for justified reformat).
Ctrl-Shift-F toggles auto-format on and off on-the-fly. If it is on,
the simple typing a space at the end of the last pasted line will
reflow the text.

TJL> What's the solution to reformat an overly long line -- or will
TJL> theBat do it when I hit send?

It is one of the **huge** plusses of TB that the text formatting does
*not* change after you hit the send button (unless some other software
changes it on the way out).

TB is WYSIWYG. Settle on your final format before you hit send and
that's how it should look when it arrives with the recipient. There
are very few email clients that can do that.

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Re: Some improvements

[Mike Whalen]

> JW> 1. Possibility to run compression and defragmentation eg.
> JW> every 7 days... automatically - some kind of schedule... or
> JW> running it from command line.

Perhaps this has already been mentioned -- maybe it's already in there and I
haven't seen it -- but I would LOVE a backup scheduler.

If it's too difficult to allow a customized schedule, perhaps you can do it
the way Intuit does with Quicken. They nag you every few
application-restarts.

Now, I presume that some folks would think their financial data much more
important and in much more need of backup than e-mails. Perhaps a preference
can be set up for those who don't want to be nagged by TheBat! backup?

Just a thought or two.

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Re: Attachments

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Dave,

On Thursday, August 30, 2001 at 5:28:11 PM you wrote (at least in part):

DG> I've seen this "message.att" problem many times myself, but have
DG> yet to find an answer. I would certainly be curious if anybody
DG> has an explanation for this...

Try saving this '.att' files and have a look into them with a plain text
viewer: most the time it's Trash :-)
Some internal things Outlook send with the mail, like .. lets say this person
has to use Outlook (like me too :-( ) for job management ... I get the request
to do a job via Outlook. for Outlook being able to handle it properly with all
it's attributes (Final Date, Level of Emergency, Further Information in this
Job, what person(s) is responsible, etc.) Outlook needs to send more than a
plain text mail, therefore it attaches all 'handled only by Outlook'
information into the '.att' ...
Don't ask me for the _exact_ schema when /under what circumstances Outlook
sends this information in a 'normal' e-mail too but most the time is does not
send out this stuff if it is set to 'send plain text mail' and not 'RichText'
or 'HTML' ...
IIRC one can also set in address book 'per person' to send Plain Text (or was
that only 'Netscape Mail'???) ...
I can't test at the moment as my Outlook is only configured for Exchange-Mail
what is purely internal and every external mail (100% e-mail; not
Exchange-Stuff; short: not "proprietary information exchange" messages *G*) is
handled by TB! for me ...

HTH Pit
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The Bat! - bug report

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello The Bat! developers,

  I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/7
  Serial Number C70A45E3
  under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2
  and would like to report a bug

  The bug description:

  Inbox doesn't keep accurate account of new msgs. Sometimes
  correct #, sometimes not. Random, hard to reproduce.

  Steps to reproduce the bug:

Regards,
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Re: Some improvements

[Dave Gorman]

Hello Jacek,

Wednesday, August 29, 2001, 2:52:09 PM, you wrote:

JW> 1. Possibility to run compression and defragmentation eg.
JW> every 7 days... automatically - some kind of schedule... or
JW> running it from command line.

I like that idea!

JW> 3. Better threading system - I mean now we have 4
JW> options:
JW>  Alt-1 References
JW>  Alt-2 Subject
JW>  Alt-3 From
JW>  Alt-4 To

JW> How about "Alt-5 References + Subject"? I think mutt
JW> does it pretty well...

I must admit, I'm a threading idiot... but I do know that neither
"References" nor "Subject" produces acceptable results --
although "Subject" seems to be the lesser of the two evils. I
know there has been much discussion about this, but I have never
had sufficient time to really dig into it myself.

JW> 4. Better attachments handling - let's say I have 15
JW> attachments in one message. OK. I have option "Save
JW> all attachments". Great... but why do I have tick
JW> Enter 15 times?? Very annoying... Same about
JW> deleting attachments - why can't I select them all
JW> and press "delete"... that would be faster.

I can see your point, but more often than not, I am glad it
doesn't automatically save everything in one shot. Many times I
have used the save all attachments, and then cancelled the save
for "message.htm" and/or other "junk" attachments.


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Re: What is auto-format *supposed* to do?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Timothy,

On Friday, August 31, 2001 at 8:15:33 AM you wrote (at least in part):

TJL> What's the solution to reformat an overly long line

select the line and use '+L' for left bounded re-wrapping :-)
(See 'Utilities' / 'Format Block' for the other three :-])
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Re: trouble with templates

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Richard,

On Thursday, August 30, 2001 at 5:05:54 PM you wrote (at least in part):

RS> I am assuming that this will make the cursor come on the line right
RS> after the quotes.  But no.  There are about 3 enters after the quotes
RS> and before the cursor.  Am I missing something here

Yes ...

See

http://www.zentrumderarbeit.org/TheBat%21/img/spacelines.png

for reference ... it's a screenshot from your mail ... the red circled part
_is part_ of my reply too, therefore there're several 'empty lines' to delete for
me too.
As nearly every mail contains 'empty lines' between message text and signature
starting you'll have in nearly every reply to delete some lines if they do
disturb your writings :-)

FYI: TB! decides what to insert as '%QUOTES' by searching for '-- '
(dash,dash,space,newline) as siganture delimeter ... everything above that is
'original message text to be quoted', EXCEPT: you selected some text and hit
F4 :-)

Ciao Pit
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Re[2]: The Bat on The Penguin

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TF> Just FYI, our Dr. Martin is a "he".

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Re: Attachments

[Dave Gorman]

Hello Raj,

Thursday, May 24, 2001, 3:20:34 AM, you wrote:

R> 2. Attachments from a particular person who uses Outlook (I
R> pity him) comes to as message.att and I am unable to open the
R> same. Attachments from his colleagues also using outlook are
R> recvd fine. Any ideas ??

I've seen this "message.att" problem many times myself, but have
yet to find an answer. I would certainly be curious if anybody
has an explanation for this...

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What is auto-format *supposed* to do?

[Timothy J. Luoma]

If I paste a really long line into a Compose window, it doesn't wrap.

So I highlight the line and do control-shift-F to reformat it.

But it doesn't.

What's the solution to reformat an overly long line -- or will theBat do it when I hit 
send?

TjL


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Re: trouble with templates

[KaKTuZ]

hi Richard,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 6:05:54 PM, you wrote:

RS> I go into Properties and then choose the reply template on any folder.
RS> I put in the following:

RS> %quotes
RS> %cursor

RS> I am assuming that this will make the cursor come on the line right
RS> after the quotes.  But no.  There are about 3 enters after the quotes
RS> and before the cursor.  Am I missing something here

The problem may be the fact, that there are actually several blank
lines in the original mail, that's where the "three enters" come from.
For example, when replying to your e-mail, i had several blank lines
to delete as well.

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trouble with templates

[Richard Stephens]

Hello TBUDL,

I am having a little trouble setting up templates to my taste.  Can
anyone tell me what the problem is here?

I go into Properties and then choose the reply template on any folder.
I put in the following:

%quotes
%cursor

I am assuming that this will make the cursor come on the line right
after the quotes.  But no.  There are about 3 enters after the quotes
and before the cursor.  Am I missing something here

Thanks for any help anyone.


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Re: The Bat on The Penguin

[Thomas F]

Hello Matt,

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:27:06 -0400 GMT (30/08/2001, 21:27 +0800 GMT),
Matt Cahill wrote:

MC>   Thinking about it now, Allie is probably correct in her assumption   
   ^^^
  
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Re: SMTP server - setting up

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Hi andrew,

On 30 August 2001 at  15:09:50 +0100 (which was 15:09 where I live)
andrew wrote to Serge Skorokhodov and made these points:

SS>> You can setup you own smtp relay server.

a> any idea how or with what software?

For freeware, there's Mercury from the makers of Pegasus. I have used
MDaemon for years and it works well but is (these days) a bit pricey.
You can also look at the various freeware and shareware sites on the
web to find alternative options. See e.g. http://www.nonags.com.

SS>> And change the "highest" level smtp depending on the provider you
SS>> are connected at the moment.

I don't know that this is relevant. The "level" of SMTP is usually
about incoming SMTP mail, which will *not* apply to you because you're
only looking to run your own outbound SMTP service.

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Re: SMTP server - setting up

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello andrew,

On Thursday, August 30, 2001 at 4:09:50 PM you wrote (at least in part):

a> any idea how or with what software?

you can give

http://www.xrayapp.com/

a try ...
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Re[2]: SMTP server - setting up

[andrew]

Hello Serge,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 2:44:20 PM, you wrote:

SS> Hello andrew,

SS> Thursday, August 30, 2001, 5:19:44 PM, you wrote:

SS> Sounds pretty strange. Normally, isp providers do provide smtp
SS> server. On the other hand, I must enter the net TROUGH the
SS> provider's modem pool (or something like that) in order to be
SS> allowed send mail. An open smtp with authentication is the
SS> alternative. Look at myrealbox.com for example.

sorry, yes i should have said that they do provide smtp if i dial-up
with them but as I have free access via another route (dial-up/dsl)
this isn't a viable option. So I needed to fin another way.

I'll try myrealbox and see what smtp is like, if only the from address
doesn't have to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] that will probably be
enough.

SS> You can setup you own smtp relay server. And change the
SS> "highest" level smtp depending on the provider you are connected
SS> at the moment.

any idea how or with what software?

>> If anyone else has a better solution to the above problem I'd
>> be glad to hear that too. (or an existing smtp server I can
>> have access to :))

SS> You can configure TB! to use the same smtp server with
SS> authentication in all your accounts.




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Re: SMTP server - setting up

[Serge Skorokhodov]

Hello andrew,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 5:19:44 PM, you wrote:

> I have several domain names but unfortunately the hosting
> provider doesn't provide me with smtp access to send mail under
> these domains. ie. I don't have an smtp server from the host
> which will allow me to send mail.

Sounds pretty strange. Normally, isp providers do provide smtp
server. On the other hand, I must enter the net TROUGH the
provider's modem pool (or something like that) in order to be
allowed send mail. An open smtp with authentication is the
alternative. Look at myrealbox.com for example.



> So the question is...

> Can I set-up my own smpt server. Is this possible on my PC or
> do I do this on my webspace? (novice as I say). If so on either
> can anyone suggest simple software I should use?

You can setup you own smtp relay server. And change the
"highest" level smtp depending on the provider you are connected
at the moment.

> If anyone else has a better solution to the above problem I'd
> be glad to hear that too. (or an existing smtp server I can
> have access to :))

You can configure TB! to use the same smtp server with
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Re[3]: The Bat on The Penguin

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  Serge et al,

  I've made only a test-run using WINE on Mandy8...didn't work out,
but it's probably a problem with how I have it configured (WINE, that
is).

  Thinking about it now, Allie is probably correct in her assumption
that TB! wouldn't fly high in Linuxland if it was pay-to-play.  If
they ever considered going GPL with the license (for Linux), it'd be a different
story altogether though.  However, I don't think that's something the
folks at TB! could afford (outside of a hobby-project).

  There's nothing more frustrating for a Linux user/advocate than a
Windows program that truly kicks ass :)

  Thanks for the feedback in any case.


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- 

Eens Ajacied, altijd Ajacied.

- 

SS> Hello Brian,

SS> Thursday, August 30, 2001, 6:50:43 AM, you wrote:

>> @ 7:26:52 PM on 8/29/2001, Allie C Martin wrote:

MC>>> Has anyone heard if there's any progress porting TB! to Linux?

>> - --(snip)--
ACM>>> The last thing was that for them to even consider porting it, the
ACM>>> porting of Delphi to Linux would have to happen. I think it has,
ACM>>> nuh?

ACM>>> If it has, then I guess there has to be enough potential buyers
ACM>>> on the Linux side to make it worth their while?

>> I wouldn't hold your breath :-) Judging by the release, err, of TB!
>> version 2 and the fact that, probably, not many Linux users would
>> purchase it, I'd take a while guess and say that it probably won't
>> happen. It's not that Linux users wouldn't think it's worthy, but I'm
>> sure they'd scream for the source. Or, something.

>> Many people have claimed that TB! runs great under WINE (I think) and
>> Win4Lin.

>> I have yet to try that..

SS> I haven't tried it myself:( but buddies from Russian Mandrake
SS> list (its all about altlinux.ru distros that grew from Mandrake)
SS> say they are quite happy with TB! running under WINE.

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SMTP server - setting up

[andrew]

Hello tbudl,

Ok I'm a complete novice on this...

I have several domain names but unfortunately the hosting provider
doesn't provide me with smtp access to send mail under these domains.
ie. I don't have an smtp server from the host which will allow me to
send mail.

This has meant I've had to try and find a work around. The best I've
found is using gmx.net to get a free account and then using advanced
smtp authentication (user number and password) and having to set the
'from' address to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem here is that a) it's
not very neat and b) if I subscribe to a mailing list with the account
the list will want confirmation from the 'from' address rather than
the account (because I'm having to give the from address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rather than [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Which means unless
their's a web page confirmation screen I can't confirm.

So the question is...

Can I set-up my own smpt server. Is this possible on my PC or do I do
this on my webspace? (novice as I say). If so on either can anyone
suggest simple software I should use?

If anyone else has a better solution to the above problem I'd be glad
to hear that too. (or an existing smtp server I can have access to :))

Thanks

Andrew


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Re: combining two POPs

[David van Zuijlekom]

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Hello mrten-dop,

On Thursday, August 30, 2001 at 13:23:38 +0200, mrten-dop [md] wrote
concerning 'combining two POPs':

md> however, this leaves the messages unfiltered in the first inbox!
md> is there a way to activate the filters there besides clicking
md> "refilter messages" all the time?

Yes. You have to redirect the messages from the second account to the
first instead of moving the messages. Be sure to enable allow local
delivery in Network and Administration.

Then when new messages for the second account arrive they will be
redirected to the first account, where they get filtered again.

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Re[2]: Quoting first 5 lines

[Raj]

"Januk,

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, at 23:46:57 [GMT -0700] (which was 12:16 PM where I live) you
wrote:

JA> Try %QUOTES="%TEXT='5'"

Works fine now - Thanks

ps  :  Net  connection  down and hence the delay in ack. As long as I use single quote 
the
same works in the Reg Ex too.

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Re: combining two POPs

[Serge Skorokhodov]

Hello mrten-dop,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 3:23:38 PM, you wrote:

> hello,

> is it possible to (temporary) combine two POP3 accounts into one
> thebat! account? i've got two places to pick up mail from (i can't
> forward one to the other, difficult provider problems), but i don't
> want to bother with two thebat! accounts, since i'm used to use only
> one.

You can use Hamster
(http://home.t-online.de/home/juergen.haible/) to poll all mail
and then receive it to a single TB! dummy account. And all real
accounts are used for from: addresses. This is the way I do it.



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combining two POPs

[mrten-dop]

hello,

is it possible to (temporary) combine two POP3 accounts into one
thebat! account? i've got two places to pick up mail from (i can't
forward one to the other, difficult provider problems), but i don't
want to bother with two thebat! accounts, since i'm used to use only
one.

what i've done now is create a second account and a filter which moves
the new messages to the other account there:

BeginFilter
Name: New rule
Active: 1
Source: \\mrten-dop\Inbox
Target: \\Mrten\Inbox
CopyFolder: \\\none
MainSet: 01fyhrtyetydrtydrtyndtry
Actions: faoContinueProcessing
[snipped some for brevity]
EndFilter

however, this leaves the messages unfiltered in the first inbox! is
there a way to activate the filters there besides clicking "refilter
messages" all the time?

tnx, Mrten.

(bat 1.53o)


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Re[2]: The Bat on The Penguin

[Serge Skorokhodov]

Hello Brian,

Thursday, August 30, 2001, 6:50:43 AM, you wrote:

> @ 7:26:52 PM on 8/29/2001, Allie C Martin wrote:

MC>> Has anyone heard if there's any progress porting TB! to Linux?

> - --(snip)--
ACM>> The last thing was that for them to even consider porting it, the
ACM>> porting of Delphi to Linux would have to happen. I think it has,
ACM>> nuh?

ACM>> If it has, then I guess there has to be enough potential buyers
ACM>> on the Linux side to make it worth their while?

> I wouldn't hold your breath :-) Judging by the release, err, of TB!
> version 2 and the fact that, probably, not many Linux users would
> purchase it, I'd take a while guess and say that it probably won't
> happen. It's not that Linux users wouldn't think it's worthy, but I'm
> sure they'd scream for the source. Or, something.

> Many people have claimed that TB! runs great under WINE (I think) and
> Win4Lin.

> I have yet to try that..

I haven't tried it myself:( but buddies from Russian Mandrake
list (its all about altlinux.ru distros that grew from Mandrake)
say they are quite happy with TB! running under WINE.

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