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Help with TB data recovery (cont)
Hello again, Well a new dawn has brought no helpful revelations... Every time that I try to re-discover my files with ctrl-alt-shift-L, TB creates a complete replica of each of my account trees at the root level - but they are just regular folders (i.e. no account details in properties). Worse, they share the same directory on disk, so cannot be deleted/emptied without emptying the real ones. I've already tried deleting them (thus clearing out their mirror) and then importing my saved files, folder by folder, into their original places. Only to find that the next ctrl-alt-shift-L brings the problem back! This looks terminal. I'm crushed that I've reached such a wall here, with _no_ way to continue with my old data. Just for the record, I've created my folder structure below: --- folder layout as it should be - @ account1 - inbox - outbox - list folder - list1 - list2 - etc. - etc. @ account2 - inbox - outbox - client1 - list1 - etc. ... etc. root folder1 - dir1 - dir2 - etc. root folder2 - dir1 - dir2 - etc. --- folder layout that I'm getting - @ account1 - inbox - outbox - list folder - list1 - list2 - etc. - etc. @ account2 - inbox - outbox - client1 - list1 - etc. ... etc. account1 # these are the duplicates of the @accounts above - inbox # sharing the same disk file properties - outbox - list folder - list1 - list2 - etc. - etc. account2 - inbox - outbox - client1 - list1 - etc. ... etc. root folder1 - dir1 - dir2 - etc. root folder2 - dir1 - dir2 - etc. -- end --- Is there something fundamentally wrong with this layout? Otherwise that's about it for me 'cos I can't see any way forward with TB. -- Nick Using TheBat!: v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Chris, On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:46:16 +1100 GMT (12/12/2003, 13:46 +0700 GMT), Chris wrote: Does anyone else have a problem with not being able to apply the view modes properly? In my case, I can apply a view mode to my whole set of folders, but I cannot apply a different view mode to single folders. Have you tried right-clicking on the folder and choosing Folder View Mode? I understand any mode set there is valid only for that folder. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Schule (Tollwut! Gefahrteter Bezirk.) * Message reply created with The Bat! 2.02.3 CE under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing Folders with Deleted Attachments
Hello Joseph, On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:01:40 -0600 GMT (12/12/2003, 12:01 +0700 GMT), Joseph N. wrote: I just deleted two large attachments from a message in a particular folder. My attachments are set to be kept in the envelope, not in a separate folder. I clicked Folder/Compress after deleting the attachments, but received a pop-up window informing me that there was nothing to compress because there were no deleted messages in the folder. That is correct, because TB will look for deleted messages and then compress, i.e. zap (not zip) them from the database. If the message itself is not marked as deleted, nothing gets zapped. As a workaround, I moved the message (without the deleted attachments) to another folder, compressed the original folder, moved the message back, and then compressed the intermediary folder. To my surprise, however, the two folders showed an amount of compression that was substantially less than the size of the deleted attachments. Why? I don't know the format in which TB stores the attachments. Maybe some kind of compressed form? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Even if a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.02.3 CE under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with View Modes
Hello Thomas, Friday, December 12, 2003, 7:22:48 AM, you wrote: TF Chris wrote: Does anyone else have a problem with not being able to apply the view modes properly? In my case, I can apply a view mode to my whole set of folders, but I cannot apply a different view mode to single folders. TF Have you tried right-clicking on the folder and choosing Folder View TF Mode? I understand any mode set there is valid only for that folder. Ensure View, View Mode is set to None. (This is a global setting for some reason). Then set up view modes for one folder and use Copy Column Settings To... . -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with TB data recovery (cont)
Hello Nick Dutton, on Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:45:12 + (2003-12-12 13:45:12 in .nl) in the message with reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you [ND] wrote (at least in part): ND Is there something fundamentally wrong with this layout? Otherwise ND that's about it for me 'cos I can't see any way forward with TB. What if you first delete folders in these duplicate acounts, using the option 'Leave message base files intact', then delete the duplicate account? -- Kind regards, Peter Ouwehand E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - Created the above using A program which insists to be : The Bat! V2.02.3 CE An OS which insists to be : Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with TB data recovery (cont)
Hello Nick, Well a new dawn has brought no helpful revelations... Every time that I try to re-discover my files with ctrl-alt-shift-L, TB creates a complete replica of each of my account trees at the root level - but they are just regular folders (i.e. no account details in properties). snipped You may want to try something that has worked for me in the past and that I have just verified. 1.- Make a copy of your Mail directory, with all its Accounts subdirectories, somewhere else. 2.- Uninstall The Bat! completely and delete any folders that may have been left over after uninstalling. 3.- Install TB again from scratch. 4.- Copy your saved Mail directory over the just created one. 5.- Start creating _new_ accounts but with the names of your old ones (the names of the subdirs in Mail directory), and you will see that TB picks up and takes all the account information from the existing account folder. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing Folders with Deleted Attachments
Hello Thomas, That is correct, because TB will look for deleted messages and then compress, i.e. zap (not zip) them from the database. If the message itself is not marked as deleted, nothing gets zapped. H, are you sure about that? I'll test it when I have some time. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with TB data recovery (cont)
Hello Peter, Friday, December 12, 2003, 14:05, you wrote: PO What if you first delete folders in these duplicate acounts, using the PO option 'Leave message base files intact', then delete the duplicate PO account? Doh! Now not only do I stupid, I wasted a day getting there :-) But seriously, thanks for the help. My bat-faith is restored, just in time for me to enjoy my lunchtime pint... ...then for those backups. -- Nick Using TheBat!: v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing Folders with Deleted Attachments
Hello MAU, On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:23:31 +0100 GMT (12/12/2003, 21:23 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: That is correct, because TB will look for deleted messages and then compress, i.e. zap (not zip) them from the database. If the message itself is not marked as deleted, nothing gets zapped. H, are you sure about that? I'll test it when I have some time. Pretty sure, but I'd be interested in the outcome of your test. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Fluchtweg Betreten Verboten! * Message reply created with The Bat! 2.02.3 CE under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Thomas, Friday, December 12, 2003, 9:22:48 AM, you wrote: Have you tried right-clicking on the folder and choosing Folder View Mode? I understand any mode set there is valid only for that folder. You are correct. But the result with view modes is not predictable, the view mode settings are not respected or sometimes saved properly. Here a some examples: - selected columns are no longer selected or size down to 0 - column size wider then defined, yet they come back to the correct size after going into the view mode editor and clicking on OK to exit, without making changes. And, if you select Use Folder Specific Settings and use Setup Columns in the drop-down menu when right-clicking on the columns headers, the columns settings do stay as predicted. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior Software Developer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.filopto.com) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Column Fonts
Ken, On 11-12-2003 23:29, you [KS] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: KS Is there a way in The Bat! to change the font size of the Column KS headings? Please rephrase - I don't understand what you mean. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.02.3 CE /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folders and rearranging
Have you ever noticed that if you try to add a new folder to an account, the new folder is always added at the very bottom of the account tree? So, let's say you are trying to add some categories in which to stick the boxes. And you have maybe a hundred folders or more. So you are there hanging around at the top of the tree, so you'd like to place things in some better order. Or maybe later archiving, or whatever. So I should take this bunch of folders, and package them up in some new folder, shall we say, boxed tight. So that random parts don't just hang around aimlessly. Since you started at the top of the tree, now you need to get the parts at the top, and move everything half a dozen screens to the very bottom. I can say that I scratch my head at this point, see? Are there other options, or anything I have missed? This could really take a while, as is. Another thing is, say on the other hand you take a fresh new Account. It has automatically like 5 folders or something to start off with. Try create a new folder. Now, if you try to move the original bunch, Inbox, and so on, it seems to fail. When you drag one to the new folder, the pointer does not change form as you would expect. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders and rearranging
Adam wrote: A Have you ever noticed that if you try to add a new folder to an A account, the new folder is always added at the very bottom of the A account tree? So, let's say you are trying to add some categories A in which to stick the boxes. And you have maybe a hundred folders A or more. I agree that having the option 'Insert new folder here' would help, I sometimes create a subfolder using one the folders I wish the new folder to be next to (select the folder and hit Ins). After creating the folder, I just move it to where I want to using Shift-CTRL-Left Arrow A Since you started at the top of the tree, now you need to get the A parts at the top, and move everything half a dozen screens to the very A bottom. I can say that I scratch my head at this point, see? Are A there other options, or anything I have missed? A This could really take a while, as is. The same problem exists with filters. If you have a long list of filters and you wish to create a new one that goes at the top of the list, you have to drag the new filter rule all the way to the top of the list since a new filter is always created at the bottom of the list. Insert Before/After buttons for new rule creations would increase usability a lot. A Another thing is, say on the other hand you take a fresh new Account. A It has automatically like 5 folders or something to start off with. A Try create a new folder. Now, if you try to move the original bunch, A Inbox, and so on, it seems to fail. When you drag one to the new A folder, the pointer does not change form as you would expect. Try the Shift-CTRL- up/down arrow keys and see how those work. -- -=allie_M=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com ___..__ SecureBat! Lite v2.02.8 CE · WinXP Pro SP1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suppress Resent-From: Header?
Hello Peter, Thursday, December 11, 2003, 3:42:51 PM, you wrote: PO Hello Ken Stuart, PO on Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:42:02 -0800 (2003-12-11 23:42:02 in .nl) in the PO message with reference PO mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you PO [KS] wrote (at least in part): KS And my use probably does not fit the intended purpose of such a KS header. So, is there any way I can suppress this header altogether? PO Perhaps: drag/copy to outbox, choose another sender ? That's a possible workaround, although since I have it set to send every 1 minute, there is a chance it might be sent before I can change the sender. I'm hoping there is a more solid way to do it. -- Cheers, Ken Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Column Fonts
Hello Peter, Friday, December 12, 2003, 8:12:44 AM, you wrote: PF X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via PF 66.163.168.132; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:22:33 -0800 PF Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PF Received: from 62.80.28.25 (EHLO server01.clinservices.de) (62.80.28.25) PF by mta218.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:22:33 -0800 PF Received: from draenor.its-toasted.org PF (draenor.its-toasted.org [62.80.28.8]) PF by server01.clinservices.de (Postfix) with ESMTP PF id 2491127402E; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:17:39 +0100 (CET) PF Received: from server131.net-server.dk ([80.80.7.214]) PF by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) PF id 1AUpwT-00066N-00 PF for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:15:01 +0100 PF Received: from [62.107.8.147] by server131.net-server.dk [80.80.7.214] with PF SmartMax MailMax for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PF Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:16:02 +0100 PF X-SmartMax-AuthUser: PF Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:12:44 +0100 PF From: Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] PF X-Priority: 3 (Normal) PF Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PF To: Ken Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] PF In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PF References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PF MIME-Version: 1.0 PF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii PF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PF Subject: Re: Column Fonts PF X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PF X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 PF Precedence: list PF Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PF List-Id: tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com PF List-Unsubscribe: PF http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, PF PF mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PF List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PF List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PF List-Subscribe: PF http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, PF PF mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PF Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PF Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PF Ken, PF On 11-12-2003 23:29, you [KS] wrote in PF mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: KS Is there a way in The Bat! to change the font size of the Column KS headings? PF Please rephrase - I don't understand what you mean. Font Size - The width and height of the ASCII characters Column Headings - The ASCII characters above the lists of folders, and above the lists of messages that describe the information underneath. Some of the Column Headings are Name, Unread, Total, Subject, From, Size. Of course, the one statement you copied is not all the details of my question. -- Cheers, Ken Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Viewing html ...again
Lately I've been receiving Christmas e-cards and would like to view the html in one piece instead of the text in one tab, the images in another. I thought that clicking on the browser icon would work but this does not show images (just the placemarks). I'm pretty sure this has been discussed and apologize, but I haven't been successful in my list archive search at all. Thanks in advance, and happy holidays, everyone. -- Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size
Hello Wayne, On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 11:52:23 AM, you wrote re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size: WH Is anyone else having any problem with the opening window size in WH version 2.02.3 Christmas Edition. My installation keeps opening in the WH restored state, 1/2 of the window off the screen. I would like it to WH open maximized. I did not have this problem with any other previous version. Am I the only one having this particular problem? -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size
Hello Wayne, On Friday, December 12, 2003, 6:38:17 PM, you wrote: Hello Wayne, On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 11:52:23 AM, you wrote re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size: WH Is anyone else having any problem with the opening window size in WH version 2.02.3 Christmas Edition. My installation keeps opening in the WH restored state, 1/2 of the window off the screen. I would like it to WH open maximized. I did not have this problem with any other previous version. Am I the only one having this particular problem? When opening it minimized it will just sit in the traybar and when I click on it it will open but just in the middle of the screen and on halve size. (I start it minimized) When opening TB (with start-up folder) in maximized window it will work fine. Althoug I've some problems seing my menu bar, which will disapear when I open TB and reapear when I minimize it. This last thing does not happen when I start it minimized as in the first part of my text. -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.02 CE, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Our business is run on trust. We trust you will pay in advance. To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suppress Resent-From: Header?
Hello Ken, PO Perhaps: drag/copy to outbox, choose another sender ? KS That's a possible workaround, although since I have it set to send KS every 1 minute, there is a chance it might be sent before I can change KS the sender. I'm hoping there is a more solid way to do it. First park the message. Then copy it to outbox and edit.. -- Cheers, Andre Bleib Menschen fern, die deine Ambitionen belächeln. Kleine Menschen tun das immer, aber die wirklich Großen geben dir das Gefühl, dass auch du groß werden kannst. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Viewing html ...again
Hi P.Johnson, on Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:13:41 -0600GMT (12.12.03, 18:13 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PJ Lately I've been receiving Christmas e-cards and would like to view PJ the html in one piece instead of the text in one tab, the images in PJ another. I thought that clicking on the browser icon would work but PJ this does not show images (just the placemarks). You are right. Happens the same way here with Opera 7.23 on Win98SE. I have never tried it before, as I'm usually content with TB!'s internal display - whenever I want to see HTML at all, that is... ;-) This is certainly a bug and I don't remember a discussion about this. So thanks for bringing it up. -- Cheers Peter Never trust a stock broker who is married to a travel agent. Winamp currently playing: Dixie Chicks - Cowboy Take Me Away Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
Hello Chris, Thursday, December 11, 2003, 10:46:16 PM, you wrote: C Does anyone else have a problem with not being able to apply C the view modes properly? In my case, I can apply a view mode to my C whole set of folders, but I cannot apply a different view mode to C single folders. I can see when I go into that folder, that the C different view mode is indeed checked (which means that the C different columns should be showing), but the columns shown are of C the view mode that is applied to all folders. Using v2.02.3 I read this whole thread, and then played around, and here is what I found: - As someone stated, View-View Mode must be none. - Setup *everything* in Manage View Modes (which can be found in Options-Preferences-Messages-View Modes. - Setup each individual view mode - Then, go into the Use By and click on all the folders that should use each view mode (I think you need to also click the Account as well) I have found that the Folder Properties View Mode setting does not work. -- Cheers, Ken Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tray Icon tool-tip
Hello, Currently, the Tray Icon tool-tip simply reports the total number of unread messages in the whole database (or possibly just the Account, but they are the same in my setup, so I cannot tell which). Is there an existing enhancement request to make the Tray Icon tool-tip utilize the Folder Property Show unread messages on MailTicker(tm) and also to use the MailTicker(tm) time settings? -- Cheers, Ken Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Panda Titanium antivirus and TB?
Hi, Is anyone using Panda's Titanium antivirus product with TB? As far as I know, there's not a specific plug in for it, so am not sure if this might be a good solution. My company is switching to Panda, so I've got to figure out what my solution is going to be. Any help appreciated, Steve Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting new messages and focus
There has been one thing that has been really bothering me. Is there a way to change the default sort of new messages? I sort on the Received Time, in Ascending order. When new messages come in, I would like the focus to be on the top message of the column. Otherwise, I have to reach for the mouse and then scroll to the top to see messages off the screen. It kind of defeats the feature of being able to use the spacebar for advancing through my messages. Thanks! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Headers in quotes [was: Re: Column Fonts]
Hi Ken, on Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:15:28 -0800GMT (12.12.03, 18:15 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : KS Friday, December 12, 2003, 8:12:44 AM, you wrote: PF X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via PF [all headers] You'd better hit ctrl+shift+K once more, before replying... ;-) -- Cheers Peter Early to rise and early to bed, makes a man healthy but socially dead. Winamp currently playing: Shakira Featuring Amr Diab - Spanish Arabic (thunder mix) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Panda Titanium antivirus and TB?
Hello Steve M. Sawczyn, vrijdag 12 december 2003, 20:26:50, you wrote: SMS Is anyone using Panda's Titanium antivirus product with TB? As far SMS as I know, there's not a specific plug in for it, so am not sure if SMS this might be a good solution. My company is switching to Panda, so SMS I've got to figure out what my solution is going to be. SMS Any help appreciated, SMS Steve yes there is a plugin voor Panda you can vind it here http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=viewarticleartid=78 -- Kind regards, Gerda Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Headers in quotes [was: Re: Column Fonts]
Hello Peter, Friday, December 12, 2003, 11:43:57 AM, you wrote: PM Hi Ken, PM on Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:15:28 -0800GMT (12.12.03, 18:15 +0100GMT here), PM you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : KS Friday, December 12, 2003, 8:12:44 AM, you wrote: PF X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via PF [all headers] PM You'd better hit ctrl+shift+K once more, before replying... ;-) I didn't post an oops message because I thought that would just add yet more clutter to the list - but since you commented... The problem was that I used the RFC Headers command to look at all the headers in the message just before replying. In all other e-mail clients that I have used, quoting never includes the headers, regardless of how many headers are being displayed in the message view window. Now I know that The Bat! has this behavior and I'll watch for it. (Perhaps an option is needed Popup a warning if all headers are quoted...) -- Cheers, Ken Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
collapsing columns
I have a customized folder view defined column widths set. When I first come to the folder the columns are collapsed. Don't know what I'm doing wrong. TIA -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.02.3 CE/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders and rearranging
On Friday, December 12, 2003 at 11:37:25 AM, Allie Martin wrote in the message Folders and rearranging mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: The same problem exists with filters. If you have a long list of filters and you wish to create a new one that goes at the top of the list, you have to drag the new filter rule all the way to the top of the list since a new filter is always created at the bottom of the list. I would help if the Sorting Office was resizable too. Insert Before/After buttons for new rule creations would increase usability a lot. And UI clutter, an affliction from which certain parts of The Bat! suffer. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. It's hard to write foolproof software because there are so many fools, and they are very inventive. Using The Bat! v2.02 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: collapsing columns
Hello Jan, Friday, December 12, 2003, 12:37:17 PM, you wrote: JR I have a customized folder view defined column widths set. When JR I first come to the folder the columns are collapsed. Don't know JR what I'm doing wrong. TIA Read the thread earlier today Help With View Modes -- Cheers, Ken Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Column Fonts
Ken, On 12-12-2003 18:15, you [KS] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PF On 11-12-2003 23:29, you [KS] wrote in PF mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: KS Is there a way in The Bat! to change the font size of the Column KS headings? PF Please rephrase - I don't understand what you mean. KS Font Size - The width and height of the ASCII characters With you this far. KS Column Headings - The ASCII characters above the lists of folders, and KS above the lists of messages that describe the information underneath. KS Some of the Column Headings are Name, Unread, Total, Subject, KS From, Size. OK, if I understand you correct, you can achieve what you want by messing around two places: OptionsPreferencesSystemFonts, and... OptionsPreferencesView Modes - where you change the column widths for a particular View Mode (you may need to make a new) and assign it to the folder (or all folders) where you want to use it. Is this what you're after? KS Of course, the one statement you copied is not all the details of my KS question. Of course not - I only quoted the immediate context. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.02.3 CE /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size
Wayne, On 12-12-2003 18:38, you [WH] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: WH Am I the only one having this particular problem? I don't. Do you run any type of window managers that may interfere? Have you changed the setting in the shortcut you use for starting TB? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.02.3 CE /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size
Hello Peter, On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 5:34:32 PM, you wrote re: 2.02.3 Christmas Edition Open Window Size: PF I don't. Do you run any type of window managers that may interfere? Have PF you changed the setting in the shortcut you use for starting TB? No and No. It worked fine in 2.01.3. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Panda Titanium antivirus and TB?
Hi The_Bat! Users, Friday, December 12, 2003, 1:26:50 PM, you wrote: SMS Is anyone using Panda's Titanium antivirus product with TB? As far SMS as I know, there's not a specific plug in for it, so am not sure if SMS this might be a good solution. My company is switching to Panda, so SMS I've got to figure out what my solution is going to be. I am using Panda Platinum, and I love it. I don't have a plugin for the bat, but I don't think that it really needs one, as it would catch any viruses, inside or outside mail. -- Regards, John Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! Christmas Discount
Hello TBUDL, From the RITLabs site: quote The Bat! Christmas Discount 12/10/2003 On December 10,2003, Ritlabs releases The Bat! v2.02.03 Christmas Edition and announces a Special Offer: from December 10, 2003 to January 10, 2004 you can register The Bat! with 30% discount. Only for registered users of The Bat! version 1: during the Christmas Offer your upgrade discount is 30% in addition to 30% Christmas discount which yields 60% as a total discount /quote First, users were more-or-less being pushed to upgrade to 2.xx at 50% discount, being $17,50 per personal copy, as I did (and probably many more). Now, 1.xx users can upgrade to 2.xx for $35 - 60% = $14. Why do I, an early adaptor of 2.xx, feel being F ? -- Kind regards, Peter Ouwehand E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - Created the above using A program which insists to be : The Bat! V2.02.3 CE An OS which insists to be : Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Christmas Discount
Hello Peter, Friday, December 12, 2003, 5:15:04 PM, you wrote: PO Why do I, an early adaptor of 2.xx, feel being F ? This is true of early adopters of EVERYTHING. For example, a new 133mhz PC was US$2500, now a 2000mhz PC is US$400. Originally, DBS satellite receivers cost US$800, now they give them away if you sign up. The flip side is that, in all cases, the early adopters get to use the product ... early. -- Cheers, Ken Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! Christmas Discount
Hello Ken Stuart, on Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:43:27 -0800 (2003-12-13 03:43:27 in .nl) in the message with reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you [KS] wrote (at least in part): KS Hello Peter, KS Friday, December 12, 2003, 5:15:04 PM, you wrote: PO Why do I, an early adaptor of 2.xx, feel being F ? KS This is true of early adopters of EVERYTHING. Not true. For instance: I administer email server software who's creator gives you a _free_ update from the previous major revision to current major revision, with an overlap of, oh a year I think. Another reason I posted the msg: At work I introduced TB! 15 copies, in July, being a 1.62 version. 2 or 3 months later V2.xx was released. You could buy it, at 50% of the normal price. Hell, we just paid for it! Hardly any overlap, not even close to half a year. How do you expect me to react to such an offer??? How shall I explain that, and the X-mass offer being cheaper, to my boss?? It STINKS. -- Kind regards, Peter Ouwehand E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - Created the above using A program which insists to be : The Bat! V2.02.3 CE An OS which insists to be : Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spam reporting
Hi all - I know this has been covered ad nauseam, but I can't find out what I want to know, so am asking again. I know there's a switch that will let me attach an email with full headers so I can send it, say, to an isp to let him know one of his members is generating spam. But I can't remember how to do it, and can't find the mail I saw it in a year or so ago ... if you tell me again, I promise to save it for ever and ever! TIA Lynn -- TheBat 1.62r Win2kPro SP2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit Training (download)
Hello The_Bat! Users, I have uploaded my entire Bayesit directory, so that anyone can download it and have the pleasure of using one of the finest spam filters anywhere. You will not have to train it with so many emails, like before, just download and install Bayesit from here: http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm ...then download these files http://legacy.sheltonbbs.com/~jmmorse/Bayesit/ and then unzip them to your Application Data directory, it will overwrite your Bayesit folder. Or you can unzip them to a temp folder and then move them to the Documents and Settings/Application Data folder manually. (you should already have the Bayesit folder there since you installed Bayesit, just overwrite it) For example mine is found at: C:\Documents and Settings\John\Application Data\Bayesit After downloading all 6 files, then double-click the one named BayesIt.part01.exe When you unzip these files it will replace your Bayesit folder in your Application Data Directory. Here are a list of all the files (with file sizes) you will need to download: BayesIt.part01.exe (1.4m) BayesIt.part02.rar (1.4m) BayesIt.part03.rar (1.4m) BayesIt.part04.rar (1.4m) BayesIt.part05.rar (1.4m) BayesIt.part06.rar (583k) Don't worry about training Bayesit with a bunch of messages, just go through the motions, because this will replace all the training anyway. I never get a false positive with this plugin, and only get a new piece of spam to my inbox only every few days. -- John Morse The_Bat! 2.02 CE RC2 Windows XP (2600) Panda Platinum - Virus Protection Bayesit 0.4gm Spam Plugin Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam reporting
Hello Lynn, Friday, December 12, 2003, 7:51:49 PM, you wrote: L Hi all - L I know this has been covered ad nauseam, but I can't find L out what I want to know, so am asking again. L I know there's a switch that will let me attach an email L with full headers so I can send it, say, to an isp to let L him know one of his members is generating spam. I should caution you that the From: header is almost never the person who is sending the spam. I often see this pattern in spam: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] and so forth. For example, I received a spam with the From: line: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] where they are clearly taking the first part of my address and adding that to @stockscenter.net since the spam was about buying stocks. The spam actually says Visit our web site @__ since they don't want you to use e-mail to communicate with them, since none of the e-mail addresses are theirs. Even the first Received from header's IP address can just be a relay point. Trying to report spammers doesn't work - they just move somewhere else. Spammers send spam because some people buy the stuff, and as long as that continues, so will they. Only two things work - the less effective one is using spam software to filter your mail and then delete the spam after scanning the titles/senders for real e-mails. The only effective one is changing your e-mail address, and then not using it on the web or in newsgroups. -- Cheers, Ken Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Training (download)
John Morse wrote: I have uploaded my entire Bayesit directory, so that anyone can download it and have the pleasure of using one of the finest spam filters anywhere. You will not have to train it with so many emails, snip Don't worry about training Bayesit with a bunch of messages, just go through the motions, because this will replace all the training anyway. Nice gesture, but a bad idea IMO. The beauty of Bayesian filtering is that it learns from an individual's email. Other users may well get spam of a different nature than yours and, aside from TB! mailing lists, will almost certainly receive a different assortment of good mail. Here's an excerpt from an interesting article on Bayesian filtering: ,- [ http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html ] | Ideally, of course, the probabilities should be calculated | individually for each user. I get a lot of email containing the word | Lisp, and (so far) no spam that does. So a word like that is | effectively a kind of password for sending mail to me. In my earlier | spam-filtering software, the user could set up a list of such words | and mail containing them would automatically get past the filters. On | my list I put words like Lisp and also my zipcode, so that | (otherwise rather spammy-sounding) receipts from online orders would | get through. I thought I was being very clever, but I found that the | Bayesian filter did the same thing for me, and moreover discovered of | a lot of words I hadn't thought of. `- I haven't used BayesIt, but the training period for POPFile was remarkably short. Well worth the effort to have it know *my* mail. -- George Using TB! 2.02.3 CE on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML not creating links
Hello, I received a monthly newsletter in HTML, with a link that is referenced by clicking on an image. Now, unlike many newbies, I don't expect The Bat! to show the image, but isn't it a bug if it doesn't make that area (with the red X) into a link, the same as a browser would do with the actual image? Here is an example (with web address changed): a href=http://www.blah.org/merchant/new.html;img src=http://blah.biz/merchant/moreinfo.gif; width=77 height=17 border=0/a If that same href were attached to a text, it would be clickable, so why not make the 77x17 box with the red X clickable ? PS Has this been reported to the bug/enhancement database before? -- Cheers, Ken Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam reporting
Friday, December 12, 2003, 8:36:41 PM, you wrote: KS I should caution you that the From: header is almost never the KS person who is sending the spam. [snip details] Actually I know most of that, but I just opened a new email account and the first mails I got were spams from yahoo addresses ... on the one hand it's pointless to report them, because as you say, they will simply have new addresses tomorrow, but on the other hand, if you don't report them, everybody thinks the spam problem has gone away. I'm also aware of the spoofing issue, and find that most of the ip's involved are not merely overseas, but also have no address to report to. Having said that, I'd really like to find the control that attaches an email to a new mail intact because it's a useful thing to be able to do, I've done it before, but can't find the control or the mail reference to it ... and I promise not to lose it this time if someone can tell me what the devil it is. Thanks... Lynn -- TheBat 1.62r Win2kPro SP2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
