Re: TB Crashes
Hello MFPA, Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 7:04:34 PM, you wrote: > Hi > On Thursday 10 December 2009 at 12:53:43 AM, in > , Tim Hamm wrote: >>> Windows Start menu | Run | Type "%temp%" (without >>> quotes) into the run box and press ENTER or click OK. >>> Search the temp folder that opens for "bat*.tmp" >>> (without quotes) and delete the found files. >>> If you just want to delete the files without looking >>> at them, you can type "del %temp%\bat*.tmp" (without >>> quotes) into a command window and press ENTER. >> No such folder exists, maybe because I use CCleaner >> often. > Strange. Try typing "set" (without quotes) in a command window and > seeing what path is reported for TEMP. >> Have any ideas on why processing is to a snails pace? > Aside from the possibility of lots of bat*.tmp files (I don't know if > CCleaner deletes these) and having ruled out any complications with > anti-spam and anti-virus, what comes to mind is how you are connecting > to the server. Some servers allow you to send/receive through a > regular or a secure connection. If using a secure connection from TB! > to a particular server, are you also using a secure connection from > the other mail clients that connect faster? > An example is that TB! is set up to connect to one of my Yahoo > accounts via a "regular" connection and this often starts sending or > receiving within a 0-3 seconds. Another Yahoo account I have TB! set > up to contact the *same* servers via "secure to dedicated port" and > this usually starts sending in 12-15 seconds or receiving in 17-22 > seconds. If not receiving after 22 seconds I get "could not connect to > server" and have to try a few minutes later. Nothing special, I'm connecting via a "regular" connection the same as I am for Barca2 and Outlook. Talk about fast, Barca2 (Poco) is lighting fast... I wish TB retrieved and sent mail as swiftly as Barca2 -- Best regards, Timmailto:timh...@cox.net Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Crashes
Hello MFPA, Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 7:04:34 PM, you wrote: > Hi > On Thursday 10 December 2009 at 12:53:43 AM, in > , Tim Hamm wrote: >>> Windows Start menu | Run | Type "%temp%" (without >>> quotes) into the run box and press ENTER or click OK. >>> Search the temp folder that opens for "bat*.tmp" >>> (without quotes) and delete the found files. >>> If you just want to delete the files without looking >>> at them, you can type "del %temp%\bat*.tmp" (without >>> quotes) into a command window and press ENTER. >> No such folder exists, maybe because I use CCleaner >> often. > Strange. Try typing "set" (without quotes) in a command window and > seeing what path is reported for TEMP. C:\WINDOWS\TEMP >> Have any ideas on why processing is to a snails pace? > Aside from the possibility of lots of bat*.tmp files (I don't know if > CCleaner deletes these) and having ruled out any complications with > anti-spam and anti-virus, what comes to mind is how you are connecting > to the server. Some servers allow you to send/receive through a > regular or a secure connection. If using a secure connection from TB! > to a particular server, are you also using a secure connection from > the other mail clients that connect faster? > An example is that TB! is set up to connect to one of my Yahoo > accounts via a "regular" connection and this often starts sending or > receiving within a 0-3 seconds. Another Yahoo account I have TB! set > up to contact the *same* servers via "secure to dedicated port" and > this usually starts sending in 12-15 seconds or receiving in 17-22 > seconds. If not receiving after 22 seconds I get "could not connect to > server" and have to try a few minutes later. Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Crashes
Hello Roger, Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 11:50:43 PM, you wrote: > Hello Tim, > Monday, December 7, 2009, 5:11:26 PM, among other things, you wrote: >>> 1. Your anti virus programme turned off. TH>> Turned Off >>> 2. AntiSpamSniper and any other antispam programme turned off. TH>> Turned Off >>> 3. All message filtering turned off. TH>> Turned Off >>> 4. Any firewall programme turned off. TH>> Windows Firewall Always Off... No Third Party Firewall... Using TH>> Firewall in Router Only >>> If you will be kind enough to do as I suggest and let us all know >>> the results we will then take it from there. TH>> Here's the status of running this test. I sent a total of five emails TH>> to myself and each one took exactly 15 seconds to send. This is very TH>> odd... it appears TB has decided to time itself out until 15 seconds TH>> has elapsed before processing outgoing mail. Before anyone jumps to TH>> conclusions, my immediate send is selected. I did not run tests on TH>> retrieving email. > I have looked through my account log and actually found a recent sent > message which waited exactly 15 seconds after connecting to the SMTP server > before going out. However this is not consistent, another message completed > in two seconds, and in another case a batch of 13 almost identical messages > of about 5.1 kilobytes each went out in a total of 47 seconds. I would > usually assume this kind of variation is due to the loading on the server, > which of course can vary from moment to moment. > Have you done any receive tests yet? Yes, receive is all over the board when TB is actually processing, but there is definitely a time-out for several seconds before TB initiates the actual processing of incoming email. I think if I could figure out why TB is timing out at exactly 15 seconds before initiating the processing of incoming mail, this may remedy my receiving it as well. -- Best regards, Timmailto:timh...@cox.net Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatic Folder Cleaning
Hi On Thursday 10 December 2009 at 2:21:42 AM, in , Munango-Keewati wrote: > Nothing like having other people decide for you how you > want to use your software. A lot of software clearly has such decisions made by somebody other than the end user. Most of it is far less user-configurable than TB!. Anyway, I see nothing wrong with email software encouraging people to use it in a way that reduces chances of messagebase corruption - so long as you still *can* use it the way you choose. >> You can set that folder at the account >> settings. When you set a specific deletion folder >> for all folders, then the account specific folder is >> for the inbox... > But then (as far as I can see) the settings would > become the default for all your folders--wouldn't they? > So I'd have to go into every other folder, turn off the > default, and remember to do the same whenever I created > a new folder. Yes, if you wanted the rest of your folders to have different deletion settings than the Inbox. -- Best regards MFPA If you save the world too often, it begins to expect it Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Crashes
Hello Tim, Monday, December 7, 2009, 5:11:26 PM, among other things, you wrote: >> 1. Your anti virus programme turned off. TH> Turned Off >> 2. AntiSpamSniper and any other antispam programme turned off. TH> Turned Off >> 3. All message filtering turned off. TH> Turned Off >> 4. Any firewall programme turned off. TH> Windows Firewall Always Off... No Third Party Firewall... Using TH> Firewall in Router Only >> If you will be kind enough to do as I suggest and let us all know >> the results we will then take it from there. TH> Here's the status of running this test. I sent a total of five emails TH> to myself and each one took exactly 15 seconds to send. This is very TH> odd... it appears TB has decided to time itself out until 15 seconds TH> has elapsed before processing outgoing mail. Before anyone jumps to TH> conclusions, my immediate send is selected. I did not run tests on TH> retrieving email. I have looked through my account log and actually found a recent sent message which waited exactly 15 seconds after connecting to the SMTP server before going out. However this is not consistent, another message completed in two seconds, and in another case a batch of 13 almost identical messages of about 5.1 kilobytes each went out in a total of 47 seconds. I would usually assume this kind of variation is due to the loading on the server, which of course can vary from moment to moment. Have you done any receive tests yet? -- Best regards, Roger :flag-SouthAfrica: The Bat! v4.2.13.4 ALPHA (Home) POP3 , on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Automatic Folder Cleaning
On Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 10:12:13 AM, different people wrote: >>> It would be nice if the Inbox allowed "folder-specific >>> deletion" settings, but as far as I can tell, it >>> doesn't. Wonder why. M>> Probably to encourage people who automate things to filter their mail M>> to other folders and not leave it sitting in the inbox. Nothing like having other people decide for you how you want to use your software. > You can set that folder at the account settings. When you set a > specific deletion folder for all folders, then the account specific > folder is for the inbox... But then (as far as I can see) the settings would become the default for all your folders--wouldn't they? So I'd have to go into every other folder, turn off the default, and remember to do the same whenever I created a new folder. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Crashes
Hi On Thursday 10 December 2009 at 12:53:43 AM, in , Tim Hamm wrote: >> Windows Start menu | Run | Type "%temp%" (without >> quotes) into the run box and press ENTER or click OK. >> Search the temp folder that opens for "bat*.tmp" >> (without quotes) and delete the found files. >> If you just want to delete the files without looking >> at them, you can type "del %temp%\bat*.tmp" (without >> quotes) into a command window and press ENTER. > No such folder exists, maybe because I use CCleaner > often. Strange. Try typing "set" (without quotes) in a command window and seeing what path is reported for TEMP. > Have any ideas on why processing is to a snails pace? Aside from the possibility of lots of bat*.tmp files (I don't know if CCleaner deletes these) and having ruled out any complications with anti-spam and anti-virus, what comes to mind is how you are connecting to the server. Some servers allow you to send/receive through a regular or a secure connection. If using a secure connection from TB! to a particular server, are you also using a secure connection from the other mail clients that connect faster? An example is that TB! is set up to connect to one of my Yahoo accounts via a "regular" connection and this often starts sending or receiving within a 0-3 seconds. Another Yahoo account I have TB! set up to contact the *same* servers via "secure to dedicated port" and this usually starts sending in 12-15 seconds or receiving in 17-22 seconds. If not receiving after 22 seconds I get "could not connect to server" and have to try a few minutes later. -- Best regards MFPA Hard work never killed anyone, but why take a risk? Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Crashes
Hello MFPA, Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:47:22 PM, you wrote: > Hi > On Wednesday 9 December 2009 at 6:33:41 PM, in > , Tim Hamm wrote: >> Hello Stuart, >> Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:37:20 AM, you wrote: >>> Hello Roger, A reminder of what Roger Phillips typed >>> on: Monday, December 07, 2009 at 08:23:36 GMT +0200 >> We were talking about SENDING mail, not receiving >> it! TH> I'm referring to both sending and receiving. >>> When running slow, try looking for temp files in the >>> bat directory. Sometimes there can be way too many >>> left behind.. >> This is news to me, and where and how do you check the >> temp directory to see if it's overloaded? > Windows Start menu | Run | Type "%temp%" (without quotes) into the run > box and press ENTER or click OK. > Search the temp folder that opens for "bat*.tmp" (without quotes) and > delete the found files. > If you just want to delete the files without looking at them, you can > type "del %temp%\bat*.tmp" (without quotes) into a command window and > press ENTER. No such folder exists, maybe because I use CCleaner often. Have any ideas on why processing is to a snails pace? -- Best regards, Timmailto:timh...@cox.net Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Crashes
Hi On Wednesday 9 December 2009 at 6:33:41 PM, in , Tim Hamm wrote: > Hello Stuart, > Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:37:20 AM, you wrote: >> Hello Roger, A reminder of what Roger Phillips typed >> on: Monday, December 07, 2009 at 08:23:36 GMT +0200 > We were talking about SENDING mail, not receiving > it! TH I'm referring to both sending and receiving. >> When running slow, try looking for temp files in the >> bat directory. Sometimes there can be way too many >> left behind.. > This is news to me, and where and how do you check the > temp directory to see if it's overloaded? Windows Start menu | Run | Type "%temp%" (without quotes) into the run box and press ENTER or click OK. Search the temp folder that opens for "bat*.tmp" (without quotes) and delete the found files. If you just want to delete the files without looking at them, you can type "del %temp%\bat*.tmp" (without quotes) into a command window and press ENTER. -- Best regards MFPA Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager password recovery?
Hi On Wednesday 9 December 2009 at 1:32:18 PM, in , Tim Musson wrote: > I can't recall the password. > Does anyone know if it can be recovered, and how to go > about it? Hypnosis? (-; -- Best regards MFPA We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Crashes
Hello Stuart, Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:37:20 AM, you wrote: > Hello Roger, > A reminder of what Roger Phillips typed on: > Monday, December 07, 2009 at 08:23:36 GMT +0200 We were talking about SENDING mail, not receiving it! TH>>> I'm referring to both sending and receiving. > When running slow, try looking for temp files in the bat directory. Sometimes > there can be way too many left behind.. Oh, Another thing, I don't quite understand it but like clockwork, TB is taking exactly 15 seconds to send outgoing mail. Why 15, why not 2, why not 3. What determines how long TB takes to send mail? I remember several versions ago, TB would send mail almost immediately. This has been going on for quite some time now upgrading to the newer versions but I can't quite figure at what point this started happening. Receiving is a different story, it's never the same... sometimes TB retrieves mail almost immediately upon launching program and other times the mail takes forever and a day for TB to process incoming mail. This is very puzzling and if someone knows the answer I would be forever in your debt to get this one straightened out. There's nothing worse than to sit there waiting for TB to process outgoing email. I've already isolated any anti-virus, spam or firewall program out of the equation. -- Best regards, Timmailto:timh...@cox.net Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Crashes
Hello Stuart, Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:37:20 AM, you wrote: > Hello Roger, > A reminder of what Roger Phillips typed on: > Monday, December 07, 2009 at 08:23:36 GMT +0200 We were talking about SENDING mail, not receiving it! TH>>> I'm referring to both sending and receiving. > When running slow, try looking for temp files in the bat directory. Sometimes > there can be way too many left behind.. This is news to me, and where and how do you check the temp directory to see if it's overloaded? -- Best regards, Timmailto:timh...@cox.net Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatic Folder Cleaning
Hallo MFPA, On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:50:08 +GMT (9-12-2009, 9:50 +0100, where I live), you wrote: >> It would be nice if the Inbox allowed "folder-specific >> deletion" settings, but as far as I can tell, it >> doesn't. Wonder why. M> Probably to encourage people who automate things to filter their mail M> to other folders and not leave it sitting in the inbox. You can set that folder at the account settings. When you set a specific deletion folder for all folders, then the account specific folder is for the inbox... -- Groetjes, Roelof As I feared, you have no sense of humor. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.2.13.4 ALPHA Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpOGuAsxY4kx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager password recovery?
Hello all, Wednesday, December 9, 2009, Tim Musson wrote: > TBUDL, > I just found my missing USB flash drive with Voyager installed on it. > Unfortunately I can't recall the password. > Does anyone know if it can be recovered, and how to go about it? no, it can not be recovered -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.2.13.4 ALPHA under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.2.1 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Voyager password recovery?
TBUDL, I just found my missing USB flash drive with Voyager installed on it. Unfortunately I can't recall the password. Does anyone know if it can be recovered, and how to go about it? -- Tim Musson Flying with The Bat! eMail v3.99.29 This message will self-destruct in five seconds. Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders on disk, missing from TB!
Hi On Wednesday 9 December 2009 at 3:22:07 AM, in , Andrew Webber wrote: > Some folders seem to be disappearing and I don't know > why. To cite one example I'm sure of, in Windows > Explorer I can see folder X with sub-folders Y and Z. > In The Bat! I can only see X and Z. I've done > CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-L from the account's Inbox, from X, and > from Z. In every case I get "0 lost folders found". Z > didn't even exist before, I had X and Y and when Y > disappeared, I thought I deleted it (Y) by accident so > I created Z. It's possible, as when deleting a folder from TB! one of the three options is to leave the message files intact. > Folder X has MESSAGES.TBB = 43 KB, MESSAGES.TBI = 18 KB > Folder Y has MESSAGES.TBB = 3968 KB, MESSAGES.TBI = 316 > KB Folder Z has MESSAGES.TBB = 84 KB, MESSAGES.TBI = 24 > KB > Is there anything else I can do to have The Bat! find > these? What happens if you just create a new Folder Y from within TB! (and make sure it points to the same path as the old one if not using "" as the directory path for all folders)? The newly re-created Folder Y should contain the existing messagebase, although I can't remember if you need to close and re-start TB! for it to find it. -- Best regards MFPA Don't ask me, I'm making this up as I go! Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatic Folder Cleaning
Hi On Wednesday 9 December 2009 at 4:41:05 AM, in , Munango-Keewati wrote: > On Monday, November 16, 2009, 7:05:17 PM, MFPA wrote: >> You can select a number of days to keep messages >> and/or a maximum number of messages to keep. You can >> also use "folder-specific deletion" settings choose >> what to do with the messages you are removing (eg move >> them to an archive folder). > It would be nice if the Inbox allowed "folder-specific > deletion" settings, but as far as I can tell, it > doesn't. Wonder why. Probably to encourage people who automate things to filter their mail to other folders and not leave it sitting in the inbox. My solution is to put a catch-all incoming mail filter after all my other incoming filters to move "any message" to a folder called "Other Incoming" and to apply the folder-specific deletion settings to that folder. -- Best regards MFPA Roses smell better than onions but don't make such good soup Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
