Re[2]: Very important issue has come to my attention!!
Hi Paul, Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 12:55:35 AM, you wrote: PW In the Phone book my listing is first initial, last name. No address, Google PW comes up with a map to my house. eRumors is full of it on this one. This is the PW equivalent of the reverse lookup that law enforcement uses and is wrong. Thank PW you Spike, even if it was a bit OT. You might be interested to know that a company will provide reverse look-up and everything short of map data on CD as part of software, both in the US and the UK. Here, it's called the UK Data Disk and the software costs about £100 (c. $160). So, unless you have an unlisted number... -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with large file attachments?
Hi Martin, Sunday, March 23, 2003, 10:18:35 AM, you wrote: MW I agree, it's useful to see what's happening from time to time. MW I've used Net Activity Diagram MW (http://www.onlythebestfreeware.com/program.asp?program_id=139) in MW the past. However, I now run GKrellM MW (http://bill.nalens.com/download_view.php?category-1) on my XP and MW Linux box. Thanks, that's very helpful ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Problem with large file attachments?
Hi Mark, Saturday, March 22, 2003, 1:14:27 PM, you wrote: MP ZDNet Downloads for: MP Free Version Pro Version MP ZoneAlarm 16,808,637 109,009 MP OutPost 39,035 1,860 MP This doesn't mean Outpost is inferior to ZA; but, with these numbers in MP mind, it is not abnormal that it will be easier to find someone with a MP ZA-related problem than someone with an Outpost-related problem. Actually it means even less as most Outpost downloads are from their sites round the world :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problem with large file attachments?
Hi David, Sunday, March 23, 2003, 2:38:47 AM, you wrote: MA Actually it means even less as most Outpost downloads are from their MA sites round the world :) DC There is exactly one feature that I can think of that ZA has that I DC wish Outpost did The little network activity display when it's in DC the system tray. LMAO! Yes, I think I'd probably agree ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Computer freezing
Hi Tim, Friday, March 21, 2003, 4:31:04 AM, you wrote: T Is there any other that lets you set and forget like ZA? And T doesn't require you to work out what every software component is T for and where it should be allowed to connect? Last time I looked T at this sort of software it was simply too hard for me to get T working in the time I had available. Outpost (www.agnitum.com) is fire and forget if you want, but whenever something new starts up it does ask you if you want to let it connect. However, that does make sure that stuff like Word etc can be blocked from connection. It's not hard really, and once you've blocked something once you never have to do it again :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problem with large file attachments?
Hi Peter, Friday, March 21, 2003, 7:47:49 AM, you wrote: MA I've been using Outpost since last September with no problems using MA firstly Outlook Express, and then TB since November. I suspect that MA *isn't* your problem. PP And people were/are using ZoneAlarm without any problem and still it PP is one on other computers. Unless you've set up Barrys computer, and PP it is in hardware and software (incl. patches, SP, and so on) PP absolutely identical to yours _AND_ you and Barry are using the same PP POP3-server you simply can't state Outpost can't be a problem. Period. While that's true to an extent I can go by the number of reported problems with ZA against those with Outpost i.e. Lots to very few respectively. ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problem with large file attachments?
Hi Peter, Friday, March 21, 2003, 4:44:02 PM, you wrote: Well, I was trying out the 'Whoeasy' plugin on Outpost so I decided to remove it as its evaluation time was almost up. Now then, fingers crossed, everything *seems* back to normal. Mind you, I don't really understand why it should have interfered as it's only a DNS lookup tool? PP Outpost being only a DNS lookup tool? Might it be I've missed something? PP Outpost is, to my best knowledge, a so called Firewall (packet PP filter) ... Are we talking about the same program? You didn't read what he said. He said the Whoeasy plug in which *is* only a DNS look up tool :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Problem with large file attachments?
Hi Barry, Thursday, March 20, 2003, 8:39:45 AM, you wrote: BH OK, I use AVG to scan incoming mail so that's easy to disable and BH Outpost for the firewall. I think I'll try switching off Outpost to BH start. I have to say that's given me no trouble up to now, I've been BH running it for approx. 6 months. I've been using Outpost since last September with no problems using firstly Outlook Express, and then TB since November. I suspect that *isn't* your problem. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Nod32
Hi Joseph, Thursday, March 20, 2003, 2:46:29 AM, you wrote: JN FWIW, I think that scanning outgoing e-mail is a complete waste of JN filter. I'd be interested in others' comments on this. I must disagree. Amongst people who are aware, it probably is, most of the time. But the majority of people who do actually get AV software aren't clued up about viruses and the way they operate. These same people are more likely to import a virus through means other than mail i.e. it won't be caught by a mail scanner on an inward trip. Secondly, it's quite possible for the incoming scan to miss a virus due to it's newness, but for the scan to be updated before the virus is sent out again, and it will then catch it on the way out. That's just two reasons that spring to mind. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Nod32
Hi Philip, Friday, March 21, 2003, 2:58:33 AM, you wrote: PS I'm afraid I must disagree with you. PS This is what On-Access scanners are for. The user selects the PS attachment, it's scanned transparently when it's read, and it's then PS attached. If it had a virus, then the attacchment is quarantined or PS cleaned - if it's quarantined or access is otherwise blocked, the mail PS client returns an error when attaching. Otherwise, a cleaned PS attachment is sent. You are arguing a case against something I didn't say. If you will read again what I specifically said you will note that I mentioned: MAThese same people are more likely to import a virus through means other than MA mail i.e. it won't be caught by a mail scanner on an inward trip. and the reason is because I'm not talking about email. PS A scan-on-send is only useful it you forward a message that wasn't PS scanned on receiving - as it's likely any temporary files will already PS be MIME/UUEncoded and therefore not scanned by your on-access scanner. Doesn't follow as I'm not discussing inward mail. PS You effectively cover this in your your scan before send might catch a PS new virus due to updates downloaded since incoming hypothesis. I find PS that this hypothesis slightly stretching credibility, to be honest. PS It's not that it's impossible - just that it's highly unlikely. I agree it's unlikely, but I prefer to cover even unlikely eventualities. PS Scanning your outbound emails will, in all likelihood, give you a PS false sense of security that prevents you from ensuring your AV PS package is suitable updating. And saying that you scan your outbound PS emails in your signature will give recipients false confidence too. As my email package is Norton and it checks all the time I'm online to see if there's an update, I'm not worried about updating. Also, I *never* sign my emails saying they are safe. That's pointless because, as I have said before, no AV is foolproof - some are just better than others. PS I believe it's much better to scan your inbound mail only, and let PS each individual assume responsibility for the safety of their PS computer(s). That way, we all know where we stand, and we don't start PS on the but they said it was safe thread when something goes wrong. I would agree if I believed that everyone who uses a computer has a clue about what they are doing. Unfortunately, the majority do not. PS And let's not forget that The Bat! is quite a secure email client. It And let's not forget that most people *don't* use TB. And wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it. PS Therefore, I believe that scan before sending is, at the end of the PS day, a waste of time. Of course, you can choose to continue this PS practice - but if you send me a mail I won't care if it was scanned PS before sending. I'm only going to trust it when my antivirus package PS pronounces it clean. And not before. As I have already said, that is an argument that just doesn't fly as I never said, and indeed don't, sign my emails with a scanned sig. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Computer freezing (and [probably [OT] virus removal)
Hi Tim, Friday, March 21, 2003, 3:53:28 AM, you wrote: T I'm using Win XP Home, NTFS partitions, ZoneAlarm Pro 3.0.118. MY T high-traffic folders are compressed on exit; other folders are T compressed about once a month. And there is your problem: Zone Alarm Pro. I would, in the past, have recommend you ditch it and get something else. However, I have seen a review of the latest version (3.5 something) and, apparently it works. The other versions don't. You can solve your problem by updating to the latest version of ZA. No guarantee - in this particular case I'm going on what I've read in the last week. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vote fot TheBat !
Hi William, Monday, March 17, 2003, 6:06:54 AM, you wrote: MA I have been known to be wrong though :) WM What can I say? ;-) OK. I must've had a bad hair day ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: outgoing message format
Hi Martin, Monday, March 17, 2003, 8:24:08 AM, you wrote: MA Thank goodness ;-) MW This is optional: Options-Preferences-Display HTML part of message MW automatically Yes, at the moment. I have it turned off. If it was my choice, I'd remove it altogether ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Vote fot TheBat !
Hi William, Sunday, March 16, 2003, 11:18:52 AM, you wrote: MA And it works. WM That was an (obviously feeble) attempt at humour. No, It wasn't. It works very well and is an excellent piece of freeware. And if you wish to contribute through the use of unnecessary sarcasm I suggest you try the alt.flame newsgroup rather than this list. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newsgroup reader recommendations??
Hi Kim, Sunday, March 16, 2003, 3:09:55 PM, you wrote: K Agent: http://www.forteinc.com K I use Agent the most often, although Forte has still not added native K support for multiple news servers. There *is* a work-around for this, K and directions on their website on how to use multiple news servers K with Agent. That's the method I use. Yes. I prefer Agent as well. And I actually prefer the workaround of using multiple copies as it allows me to use multiple identities ;-) Consequently, I can use identities that allow me to track where the spam from harvesting is coming from and avoid those newsgroups in the future. Surprisingly, some newsgroups result in hardly any spamming at all ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Vote fot TheBat !
Hi Julian, Sunday, March 16, 2003, 11:18:50 PM, you wrote: JBL On Sunday, March 16, 2003, 11:02:31 PM, Mike Alexander wrote: MA And it works. WM That was an (obviously feeble) attempt at humour. No, It wasn't. It works very well and is an excellent piece of freeware. And if you wish to contribute through the use of unnecessary sarcasm I suggest you try the alt.flame newsgroup rather than this list. JBL Did I completely misread William's message? I thought that he meant JBL that his comment and does it work was the feeble attempt at humour, JBL and not a comment about your response. Not the way I read it. I have been known to be wrong though :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Newsgroup reader recommendations??
Hi Greg, Monday, March 17, 2003, 2:58:33 AM, you wrote: Consequently, I can use identities that allow me to track where the spam from harvesting is coming from and avoid those newsgroups in the future. GS Please explain. GS The only thing I can think of is posting to the same news group with GS different identities, then receiving spam on both identities and seeing GS which Received header matches. Sorry, I didn't explain very well, although I did say i used it to avoid certain groups. What I meant was that I used different identities for each iteration of Agent (i.e. multiple copies of Agent each with a different reply to address). I used the spam volume to weed out groups which were heavily harvested (which could tell simply by the amount of mails) and switched to other groups with the same subject matter where spam volumes were low or non-existent (yes, there are some g). I'm sure that's not what you were assuming I meant, so sorry if I mislead you. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: outgoing message format
Hi Thomas, Monday, March 17, 2003, 3:30:30 AM, you wrote: TF Not here. TB will automatically show the plain-text version, and I TF have the tab to click on if I want to see the HTML version. (Which I TF usually don't.) Thank goodness ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Vote fot TheBat !
Hi William, Saturday, March 15, 2003, 6:24:49 AM, you wrote: WM Yes, but is it any good? As I said previously: And it works. It does exactly what it says it will do with no fuss and no problems. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD32
Hi William, Saturday, March 15, 2003, 6:31:55 AM, you wrote: WM Pardon? What has that got to do with using a plug-in? Sorry, I misread your comment and thought you were questioning the use of AV mail checking. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Browser does not open
Hi Pete, Thursday, March 13, 2003, 4:30:09 AM, you wrote: PH Hello Mike, MA It is because (now don't laugh!) some people use Word to design their MA web pages. Consequently, the link *has* to be live, otherwise it MA wouldn't work. To show you how good Word web pages are, Macromedia MA Dreamweaver contains a function which imports a Word web page, strips MA all the junk out of it, and makes it into a proper web page ;-) PH Well, all the junk is an overstatement. It strips out about 60% and PH leaves a bloated but not obese web page. Yeah, I've had to transfer documents from Word to a proper web designer i.e Dreamweaver and it's a pain, because even when you do strip the stuff out, the formatting is usually off. However, it does help a lot. I've actually used it to get a web page in a condition that's almost fit to be mailed as well ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: when a server is not a server...
Hi Thomas, Thursday, March 13, 2003, 4:48:30 AM, you wrote: Any idea what happens when both try to access the files at the same time? TF Loss of data integrity, corruption or loss of data. Is there no way of locking the files so one instance locks out any other access? -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Browser does not open
Hi Jonathan, Thursday, March 13, 2003, 5:12:03 AM, you wrote: JA Before this continues going... as it has clearly gone out of the JA bounds of tbudl... want to continue this thread over on tbot if you JA want to go on? Sure. It's about time I joined that group anyway ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD32
Hi William, Thursday, March 13, 2003, 8:52:56 AM, you wrote: WM I still fail to understand why people bother with the AV plug-ins Because those people are responsible and would rather not: a) Catch a virus themselves and, b) pass it on to anyone else. WM It just introduces more complexities and potential problems. Keep it WM simple. I know the theoretical benefits. You can see from this list the WM practical results. Not really. You only hear from people when they have problems. No one writes in to say Oh, look my AV works. I use Norton and it works fine. I've used Norton since 1998 on Win 9x, NT and 2k and never had a problem with it. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Vote fot TheBat !
Hi Vincent, Thursday, March 13, 2003, 11:13:35 AM, you wrote: V Outlook is doing well :-P Which just goes to show how many uninformed people there are ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Winmail.dat
Hi Thomas, Thursday, March 13, 2003, 4:13:56 PM, you wrote: TF Yes, it is. I routinely ignore any winmail.dat attachments. If people TF want to tell me anything, they put it into the plain area of the TF message. ;-) It's just another Microsoft virus ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Vote fot TheBat !
Hi Matt, Thursday, March 13, 2003, 5:43:38 PM, you wrote: MT On Thursday, March 13, 2003 @ 2:44:14 AM [-0700], ctrl-alt-delete wrote: see how TheBat! is doing in this poll and cast your vote http://www.techconnect.ws/modules.php?name=SurveyspollID=21 MT Can that page have any more popup adds? Please? I didn't notice. But then I run Free Surfer. it blocks all pop=ups (intelligently, not one from say, when you're filling in forms to send info or stuff like that). And it's free ware. And it works. And it doesn't seem buggy. And it doesn't fall over or cause any other software to fall over. And no, I'm not friends with the people who wrote it. ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TBOT?
Hi, Ok, I know this has been asked before, and I should have paid attention, and I should have kept the monthly digest but How do I join TBOT? Sorry. And thanks ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD32
Hi David, Friday, March 14, 2003, 9:29:15 PM, you wrote: D DC Do me a favor would you? Go to pandasoftware.com and run the free DC active scan. If you don't turn up any viruses, then you can toot DC Norton's horn... Guess what? No viruses. And in scientific tests carried out for the defence organisation I used to work for, and which I was involved in, the best two AV solutions came from Norton and Sophos. DC On my system at work it turned up loads of viruses after having used DC McAfee and Norton for years. And did you keep the virus log up to date? How often did you download? And did you use the active scan? -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBOT?
Hi Marck, Friday, March 14, 2003, 10:49:34 PM, you wrote: ¯¯¯ MDP Addresses: MDP Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MDP Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MDP Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Marck, I know I'm an idiot, but even us idiots use email ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Browser does not open
Hi Urban, Saturday, March 15, 2003, 2:10:59 AM, you wrote: U Friday, March 14, 2003, Mike Alexander wrote: Yeah, I've had to transfer documents from Word to a proper web designer i.e Dreamweaver and it's a pain, because even when you do strip the stuff out, the formatting is usually off. U IIRC, Dreamweaver uses HTML Tidy to do this, so it should be able to U pretty print the HTML for you Yes, it does, but it's usually because I'm making something presentable for someone else from person A who thinks Word html is a pretty neat idea ;-) And that usually means mail, so no printing. I actually like Word, as a Word processor, but that's because I actually use rather more of it's features than most. If I was looking for something simple I'd probably do all my stuff in TB's editor ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Browser does not open
Hi Thomas, Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 4:30:30 AM, you wrote: TF I agree, Word should just call IE and let IE connect to the internet. TF Alas, when I click on a URL in Word, my PFW says that Word (not IE) TF is attempting to connnect to IP-address so-and-so, port 80. That's all TF I know. It is because (now don't laugh!) some people use Word to design their web pages. Consequently, the link *has* to be live, otherwise it wouldn't work. To show you how good Word web pages are, Macromedia Dreamweaver contains a function which imports a Word web page, strips all the junk out of it, and makes it into a proper web page ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Hi Marck, MDP Please stop quoting the VB100 report as if they are the only game MDP in town. This is misleading and only an opinion - not by any means MDP the logical conclusion you make it out to be. Yes, I have read their MDP testing criteria and personally dismiss them as imperfect. AVG is MDP not the swiss cheese they purport it to be and folks have already MDP given many links to other professional AV testing outfits that MDP disagree with VB100. You should not invest so much trust in a single MDP (flawed) source of information. You certainly should not post their MDP (and therefore your bg) opinion as fact. And if I may add to that - in a professional installation of a sheep dip computer for receipt of messages from outside an organisation, etc the likelihood is that at least *three* different AV passes will be made over any file with three different pieces of AV software. Because professionals know that *NO* AV whoever good, is 100% perfect every time. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SecureBat
Hi SS, S And these fellas are itching to make examples so as to create S case-law and various other precedents of unbelievably heavy S punishment for otherwise naive or harmless offences! WM Really? Examples? S Well, they are itching I say, they haven't done it yet (or I may have S missed it). What examples do you want? S When it happens, there will be a heavy punishment for the naive S offence of forgetting one's password (IMHO). Don't you get it? And the one thing you forgot: If you tell the press about how you've been mistreated you commit the offence of passing on information (as all requests for this password information are deemed to be confidential) which leaves you open to a five year sentence. Isn't government wonderful? -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Wishlist request.
Hi St, Monday, March 10, 2003, 5:52:41 PM, you wrote: SMN You know this sound stooopeed, right? One pleasure I have over the other SMN free/buywares is my filter works just perfect with a very high accuracy, SMN and on the top: I have a personal feeling for a system I created myself! Yes, I agree. I roll all my own filters and don't use any spam blockers. Apart from having the satisfaction of doing it myself I know (at least 99% of the time) why things are being filtered. And, one or two of the normal spam words sometimes appear in subject lines from friends of mine, so I know that I can get them by having their filter (to folder) first, before my spam filters. SMN What do you know about that?!? My filters do not need an everyday-fix as SMN almost 100% of the spam I receive is taken care of using the filters as SMN they are - it is only now and then I need to create better definitions. Yes. I hardlyu ever see spam messages now other than in my spam folder or my trash, depending on the filter. (I use a spam folder for filters which contain domain names on the off chance I may get a mail from someone at those domains who isn't a spammer). -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: attn: Allie! ... you were right
Hi Brian, Monday, March 10, 2003, 11:27:30 PM, you wrote: BSM However, where you might run into problems is if you have Ad-Watch BSM installed (from LavaSoft) with the LOCK STARTUP REGISTRY option BSM enabled - you will not be able to set the autoload parameters. A quick warning - ADWatch doesn't work too well these days. Any version before 6 is useless and 6 doesn't catch as much as the free Spybot. (which you can get from http://spybot.safer-networking.de/ ) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: New to TB
Hi Anne, Sunday, March 9, 2003, 2:41:42 AM, you wrote: A The interview on Marek's site here A http://www.thebat.cz/interview.htm seems to imply it's one they are A going for: A Q. There is a rumor floating around that TB will include a usenet A news reader. Is this true? A. I think so. We still have not decided A on what it will look like - as a plug-in or as a built-in A function... That's a shame. i hope they don't ruin what I think is the best email client around with feature bloat. I have yet to find an email client that's as good at news as Agent. Or a news client that's as good at mail as The Bat. Just adding more features for the sake of it is not a good sign IMHO. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New to TB
Hi Thomas, Friday, March 7, 2003, 3:38:55 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Newsacct, TF On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:35:24 -0500 GMT (07/03/03, 21:35 +0700 GMT), TF Newsacct wrote: By the way, did I read correctly that TB 2.0 may support newsgroups? Cool. TF No you didn't. ;-) TF A newsreader plug-in for TB v2 is being thought about. That's the TF correct info. Well, I hope they realise it's not a thought worth entertaining. :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Antivirus
Hi Thomas, Friday, March 7, 2003, 3:45:42 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Mike, TF On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:19:52 + GMT (07/03/03, 09:19 +0700 GMT), TF Mike Alexander wrote: Hmm, German North Sea? I thought we'd decided that wasn't correct in 1916 ;-) I take it you mean the area us Brits call the German Bight?? TF Maybe. I was referring to the Nordseekueste. Probably German Bight TF is the correct translation, I didn't mean to bring up any TF nationalisms, only tried to be geographically correct - blame it on my TF poor English! LOL! I *was* joking! Yes, I think you're right about that. It just shows how language can be a barrier to understanding ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Template Question
Hi Allie, Friday, March 7, 2003, 6:49:08 PM, you wrote: AM I do sleep. It's just that I'm usually awake by 4:30 - 5:00 a.m. AM I'm often reading male at just the right time for the timely AM replies. :) And who is he? ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Antivirus
Hi Spike, Thursday, March 6, 2003, 3:40:11 PM, you wrote: S I volunteer in a computer recycling effort here, so I never have less S than 30-40 systems just lying around. I'll readily admit this is a S luxury some cannot afford. Almost everyone I know has at least one S 'old system' lying around, and I happily set them up a sacrificial S system if the wish to avoid the performance penalties of A/V software S on their everyday machine. That plus education is the best defense. As a serious point, if you upgrade to a new computer/build a new one, whatever, it's always worth considering keeping it as a solely Internet computer/sheepdip computer (sheepdip as in put your AntiVirus there and nothing goes to other computers without being checked first, etc.). If something does get through it will only infect that computer. If you then network them, but disallowing all folders except one (which you put cleared files into) you can be very safe. You can also use this computer as a proxy mail server and collect your mail from it after it's been sanitised. And it won't make your Internet experience any slower - speed depends upon connection and the speed of Internet hops and the target site. It makes using TB an even nicer experience ;-) (Not particularly aimed at you Spike as you obviously have lots of experience). -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Antivirus
Hi Thomas, Thursday, March 6, 2003, 4:51:19 PM, you wrote: TF BTW on the German North Sea (German Bay), the beach will extend to TF the horizon - in all directions - at low tide. This is because the TF Atlantic Ocean is really flat in the area we call the Wattenmeer. TF Jokes about the Japanese in their property buying frenzy (before their TF recession started over 10 years ago) were abundant. Never before heard TF that kind of jokes about Florida, though. ;-) Hmm, German North Sea? I thought we'd decided that wasn't correct in 1916 ;-) I take it you mean the area us Brits call the German Bight?? -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Antivirus
Hi Thomas, Thursday, March 6, 2003, 5:39:40 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Melissa, TF On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:32:05 -0800 GMT (07/03/03, 00:32 +0700 GMT), TF Melissa Reese wrote: just lately I have gotten a virus in email, and AVG found a virus in my system restore folder!! Are you aware of this issue with System Restore and infected files? http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q263455 TF And this is user-friendly? Hey, it's for Windows ME and that dog has never been friendly - or workable ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Antivirus
Hi Melissa, Friday, March 7, 2003, 2:42:28 AM, you wrote: MR Without getting into a discussion of the stability of NT/2000/XP, most MR people who recommend against WinME will claim that Win98/SE is more MR stable than WinME. Obviously, this has not been my experience...not MR even close. Any anti-ME experts out there care to explain this to me? OK, this is rather a fishy subject, so I'll be brief. First, ME has it's own bugs, but most of it's problems were caused by people installing over 98. As a clean install it was marginally better, but is demonstrably slower (depending on the choices you make running it - if you turn off all it's whizzy new features, then it's not slower than 98). However, you mention that you only had to restart it once a day. I've been using NT since 3.51, but had to support up to 50 computers using a variety of systems (all MS) from 95 to 2k. Invariably, you could leave an NT/2k system up, 24/7 for months as opposed to daily rebooting of the DOS-with-a-GUI 95/98/ME systems. And that's why people will tell you it's cr*p! ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Antivirus
Hi Melissa, Friday, March 7, 2003, 3:35:03 AM, you wrote: MR Is this thread off-topic yet? ;-) Yes, which is why I can't possibly tell you about the stats showing ME to have major problems ;-) Discussing this means going elsewhere (TBOT) which I haven't joined yet. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Antivirus
Hi David, Wednesday, March 5, 2003, 7:15:07 PM, you wrote: DC Hello All, DC Got another question, What Antivirus works really well with TB!? Norton or AVG. Personally, I prefer Norton as I find it's more thorough. But this is personal experience (though I have been part of an organization which did testing to find the most accurate solution - we came up with Norton and Sophos). In the end though, it's personal choice, and you'll get as many opinions as there are users. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AVG plug in
Hi Spike, Monday, March 3, 2003, 6:52:15 PM, you wrote: S 30% of the virus files I get say something about being 'certified S virus free' or similar. It's a non-issue. Anti-virus is an issue for S the receiver. Most virus senders are clueless individuals to start S with. If you can put two or three coherent sentences together, you're S not part of the problem! That is so true! I started getting a sex related series, only they spelt sex, seks so I just added that to my filters ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sobig
Hi Robert, Thursday, February 27, 2003, 3:09:58 PM, you wrote: RS Hello Mike, RS Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 9:16:06 PM, you wrote: MA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit snipped First I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't broadcast my address to all and every spammer who trawls through the web site but showing the header info in a reply. Please turn off RFC-882 headers before replying. Thank you. MA Now that is really weird. My Norton just deals with it. (you know, MA it downloads it deals with it and leaves a text message saying it's MA done so). Is your Norton AV up to date? RS Definition wise yes but. I have AV 2000 on this machine and it seems RS to deal strangely with this virus. It stores temp files on disk and RS that trigger AV pop ups to annoying extremes as 100s of popups happen RS as part of the folder filter process. Nothing is infected but it is RS annoying. I imagine any virus embeded email is safe with the_bat I think that's your problem. I'm using 2002 and it's having no problems at all. Upgrade from 2000 and I'm sure your problems will disappear. It's not as if the upgrade costs a lot (I upgrade very other year). RS Also if you know of any substitute SMTP programs I might use to filter RS out such viruses or worm as in this case! My ultimate solution was to RS turn off auto protect and receive the mail then I looked for .pif RS attachments and found one with subject: Re: Documents RS I then both tried the removal to verify no infection took place and RS sure enough none occurred. I then truned back on auto-protect. Like I said, upgrading to a more modern version should solve your problem and be cheaper and ;less complicated than adding more software. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sobig
Hi Robert, Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 4:08:20 PM, you wrote: RS Hello , RS Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 10:59:49 AM, you wrote: RS I am getting very annoyed by the existence of way too many infected RS emails with the [EMAIL PROTECTED] virus RS This virus causes Norton antivirus to continually put up popup alerts. RS Now the bat used to do this for Klez. Is it possible to download RS definitions to update the bats current virus detection settings or a RS patch for this purpose? Now that is really weird. My Norton just deals with it. (you know, it downloads it deals with it and leaves a text message saying it's done so). Is your Norton AV up to date? -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Word wrap in composing messages
Hi Jeff, Tuesday, February 25, 2003, 1:21:25 AM, you wrote: JD Got to admit, as much as I like TB, this drives me nuts too. It's because of the way TB is set up to handle text and, in particular, the cursor. I'm used to it now and I cut and paste and move around and then just alt-l any paras that need it before sending. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting rid of spam using -To-
Hi Paul, Friday, February 21, 2003, 1:03:26 AM, you wrote: PS P.S. I also have several filters before the To filter that PS allows through the e-mails that are not addressed to me, but PS that I know I want to receive. Yes. The important thing with using filtering is getting them in the right order in the Sorting Office. Where I have to kill whole domains I usually send them to my Zpam folder (I have my folders in alphabetic order, so it makes it the bottom folder). And things like filters for this group are right at the top so the Blank or not me To: filter only catches ones that aren't filtered previously. And they are invariably spam as I usually have a quick check in the Trash before I flush it. ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters for Spam
Hi Paul, Friday, February 21, 2003, 6:00:16 PM, you wrote: PS Hello John, PS Friday, February 21, 2003, 5:23:51 PM, you wrote: ~ Here is a filter that gets rid of alot of spam for me: ~ [strings] ~ £|¥|¤|§|«|»|À|Á|Å|µ|¿ PS Why you would include a £ symbol. PS As a Brit I feel pretty insulted that my genuine PS e-mails could be filtered out as spam just because I PS used the symbol of my countries currency (one of the PS World's major currencies). If you are going to go to PS such extremes to filter out spam why not add this one As a Brit, I'm not surrpised, but I'd add $ to make the list more complete. Tyhe reason for using currency symbols that a lot of spammers will use subjects like Make Million$ and so forth. Actually, another good candidate for the list is also the ! which spammers love to use. However, if including that one I'd send the result to a spam folder, whereas the rest could quite happily go to trash. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters for Spam
Hi Miguel, Friday, February 21, 2003, 6:45:04 PM, you wrote: MAU Hello ~John, Here is a filter that gets rid of alot of spam for me: [strings] £ MAU You would drop many messages from me if you and I exchanged business MAU e-mail :) Well, no, because if you have any sense you make messages from people you're happy to have mail from be filtered at the top of your filter list, with the spam filters following underneath. ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: @op|
Hi Spike, Friday, February 21, 2003, 7:14:12 PM, you wrote: S Can someone explain this to me, as I am getting HUNDREDS`of them or S similar. I don't seem to have a font that will display them (Netscape S says I need a Chinese font, when I try to load the HTML component) S I just delete them, but they are very annoying in the hundreds daily. Personally, I have a filter which automatically, except from senders I know which come first in my filter list, sends to the trash anything which doesn't have my name in the To: ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: **SPAM** Re: Plug-in/Feature Request to allow one to definea plugin to do something on a message or group of messages
Hi Spike, Friday, February 21, 2003, 8:08:13 PM, you wrote: S My CNET virus newsletter filter picked up his hccnet.nl address by S mistake. It automagically sends these virus newsletters out to a S group containing 11,589 members. Let's see that 19 messages X 11,589 S members, that's 220,191 bogus messages this just sent out. Nice job S Frank, that probably caused a spike in traffic similar to a minor S viral or DOS attack! S I've modified the filter to avoid this by including two filter S criteria, but it is difficult as the subject line evolves S occasionally. Putting it AFTER my TBUDL filter should help as well. Sorry, Spike but, ROFLMAO!!! -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters for Spam
Hi St, Saturday, February 22, 2003, 1:59:18 AM, you wrote: You would drop many messages from me if you and I exchanged business e-mail :) SMN Can't see why since this is what a whitelist would and should fix. Try replying to the right person. You just piggybacked my reply ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and PC protection
Hi Miles, Wednesday, February 19, 2003, 3:54:59 PM, you wrote: MJ FIREWALL MJ #1 choice Agnitum Outpost (www.agnitum.com) MJ #2 choice Norton Firewall MJ #3 choice Tiny Firewall MJ ANTIVIRUS MJ #1 choice Norton AV MJ #2 choice AGV MJ #3 choice F-Prot -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Default E-Mail Client Problem
Hi Kim, Monday, February 17, 2003, 3:04:08 AM, you wrote: K I hesitate to uninstall Becky, as I have two years of old e-mail on it K (that I transferred from my old computer), although as a temporary K test so to speak, I suppose it couldn't hurt. I do have the original K installation files (I archive everything to CD). The best thing for you to do if you're having problems like that is, rather than uninstall Becky, just make TB the default. That's what I did (I'd been using Outlook Express). Then I just used TB instead of OE. When I decided that I'd definitely purchase (didn't take long g) I archived all the mails I wanted to keep, and just don't bother to use OE. When I change to XP (I'm using 2000 at the moment) I will try and make sure OE doesn't get installed at all. Shouldn't be a problem as I'm installing the Pro version. Incidentally, with regards to the problem you mentioned - Windows assumes you'll be using the MS products. When you more than one competing mail client, it seems to roll back to the IE/OE clients when there is a clash. No doubt this is due to a registry entry somewhere. I've seen similar problems a number of times, but usually only one copy of IE/OE gets launched. ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Converting..........
Hi Anne, Thursday, February 13, 2003, 12:50:32 PM, you wrote: A We have to use Outlook spit in college which I really detest. The A reasoning behind us all having to use the same program includes: snip A 3. students/staff are not allowed to install any program onto the A network as a protection against viruses/trojans being installed by A *mischievous* people, (IT dept can install other programs if needed A for something in particular *but* that would have to specialist A software that isn't already available on the network - just not liking A their choice of mail client or word processing software etc. wouldn't A be enough to justify an install request.) I'd hardly call using Outlook as your mail program a protection against viruses/trojans ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: sending e-mail to address book list
Hi Avi, Monday, February 10, 2003, 8:01:08 PM, you wrote: Along with the good advice Thomas gave you... Have you ever thought of getting your own domain? These days it is usual for the provider to offer you parking and free onward transmission of email to addresses you select. They're cheap, and as long as you maintain it by paying the fees you have an address that never changes. ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SpamCop filters
Hi Marck, Monday, February 10, 2003, 12:08:44 AM, you wrote: MDP You have to edit *your* login and password in place of mine where it MDP says marck:password (of course password is not my real password MDP g). Oh wow, and there was I thinking I could crack your system ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: HTML sectarianism :-)
Hi Kenneth, Saturday, February 8, 2003, 6:39:41 PM, you wrote: KSR Whether I or we like it or not, as long as MS creates OL and OE, and everyone seems to be enamored with rich text, multimedia e-mails, this will not go away. In fact, I predict that in a couple KSR of years, we all be sending multimedia e-mails to everyone (voice, pictures, video, etc). Not to me they won't - at least not if they want me to read it. Nor will I be sending any. KSR I believe it's arrogant for people to call html evil when there are more immoral acts/behaviors going around. Yes, that's ridiculous. I prefer crass, stupid, etc. ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Hype over html text!
Hi Mary, Saturday, February 8, 2003, 7:26:20 PM, you wrote: MB To me, you are My Hero (one of a few) and a Perfect Man!! Mary, I do believe you're flirting. Shame on you! ;-) I agree with what you've said though even though Allie had one occasion (when he was obviously having a bad day g) to chastise me for something I posted. Having moderators is important, and so is being polite - to everyone. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: DEAD HORSE (was Hype over html text!)
Hi Marck, Saturday, February 8, 2003, 8:31:45 PM, you wrote: MDP For anyone unfamiliar with Dead Horse policy, DEAD means DEAD. NO MDP REPLIES to the list, only off-list or on TBOT. MArck, Sorry if any of my posts have gone past this, but at most I can only check the list once a day at the moment, so I may have got one or two posts later than this post of yours. It's not deliberate, I've just read this one. :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Looks like html makes to the BAT
Hi Spike, Friday, February 7, 2003, 3:03:07 PM, you wrote: KSR Looks like html editing has finally made it to the BAT. KSR I'm sure it will be greeted with delight or scorn depending KSR on your preference. S VOTE SCORN! /VOTE I match your scorn and add a contempt ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: good anti-spam prog for use with TB!
Hi daveiw, Sunday, February 2, 2003, 2:45:06 PM, you wrote: dcn -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- dcn Hash: SHA1 dcn Hi all, dcn Just wondered whether any anti-spam programs are out there which dcn integrate with TB! or failing that, good unobtrusive anti-spam programs? Depends what you mean by integrate. I use Norton and it automatically checks each message before passing it on TB. And I've never had any problems with it. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filing filtered messages
Hi Marck, Sunday, February 2, 2003, 4:20:52 PM, you wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi mm, MDP @2-Feb-2003, 11:11 -0500 (16:11 UK time) mm Meister [MM] in MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: RO It still isn't dash, dash, space, enter MM Well, I'm not sure how exactly to fix it. More explicit help MM maybe? Thanks. :/ MDP Not needed - that time it was perfect! Er, Marck, the one before that you said wasn't right was correct in my copy of TB. You sure *you|* aren't the one having the problem? ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Quoting selected text in a reply
Hi Thomas, Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 4:07:36 PM, you wrote: TF I was told some time ago that mice are animals, whereas mouses are TF computer equipment. CMIIW. No, no. Mice are animals, rodents are computer equipment ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Question regarding URL links in TB
Hi Peter, Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 10:42:52 PM, you wrote: PM Hi Roelof, PM on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:22:42 +0100GMT (29.01.03, 23:22 +0100GMT here), PM you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : c When we double click a link within TB and it opens a browser, c does that website get any info about our email address etc? RO No. PM I'm afraid you can't say this categorically... PM How about image links like this: PM http://69.6.60.19/stamrxddaem1/gsrx.html?f=JGQQI46128TAUUI27861NBIIU30853PXGGUX PM It is an actual one from one spam I got. For safety reasons I cut off the PM last five digits, because for them it contains my e-mail address. When PM you call it with your browser, even from within TB! it will use this PM address and so confirm... Like anything else, it's best not to use spyware in the first place. Try taking a trip to www.spywareinfo.com and get on their mailing list. Then go to http://spybot.eon.net.au/ and download Spybot SD and check out your system. You may be amazed at what it finds :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: 2-5 second delay on XP
Hi James, Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 3:28:26 AM, you wrote: JVH Hi Mike, JVH Wow, you were right! I upgraded my Detonator drivers from 4.071 to JVH 4.109 and that did the trick! JVH In all my years of experience with computers, I've never seen a video JVH driver affect just 1 program. JVH Thanks, JVH James I used to do computer support at one time and I've seen all sorts of weird things happen including that particular problem (different program, but the same result). Glad I could help. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: how do i filter out mails without a TO: in the selectivedownload
Hi Allie,
Monday, January 27, 2003, 9:32:52 PM, you wrote:
JH I keep getting spam that has no TO: in the header. I mean it's not
JH just empty, there is no TO: at all. How can I look for not
JH existing in the selective download? I think I cannot use one of
JH those cryptic 'regular expressions' in the selective download?
JH (not that I would know then what to do ;-)
AM String: ^To: Location: Kludges Presence: No
AM Enable 'regular expressions' in the filter options.
AM - --
AM -=] allie_M [=- {List Moderator}
I think the problem is the one you helped me out with. I think he
means that the To is blank. In which case he needs the filter:
his email address / location: Recipient / presence: No
Far be it from me as a new person here to try and correct you ;-)
--
Best regards,
Mike
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus checking on outgoing mail
Hi Jeanny, Tuesday, January 28, 2003, 3:19:03 AM, you wrote: JH I know that everyone says that The Bat! is essentially virus-proof. I JH still have NAV scan everything that comes in. Is it necessary to have JH it scan outgoing mail, too? That seems to take quite a bit longer. In most cases I'd say yes. Ok, otherwise you won't get infected, but how are you going to feel if you infect all your friends? Even more importantly if you infect a company you do business with? Best to keep it on unless you are absolutely certain you won't make a mistake. And I take it you are human? ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2-5 second delay on XP
Hello James, Friday, January 24, 2003, 7:13:42 PM, you wrote: JVH Hello All, JVHI know this has been discussed before, but I was hoping to see some JVH results by now. When toggling between windows, 95% of the time, my Bat JVH hangs for about 2-5 seconds before the window shows. The other 5% of JVH the time, it will hang completely. JVH I am running: (updated list of items) JVH The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition JVH XP Home JVH P4 2.5 ghz JVH 1 gig of ram JVH I am NOT running a software firewall or anti-virus. JVH I am using a Netgear Router JVH The hanging delay happens even with a fresh install (before I import JVH my data). JVH Anyone have any suggestions? I really don't want to switch to another JVH product. But a 2-5 second delay is unacceptable. One suggestion - that sounds like a video card problem rather than a Bat problem have you got the latest drivers (and, yes, it can happen to just one piece of software and *still* be a video card problem). -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Kludges?
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 4:06:05 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Mike, TF On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:38:33 + GMT (21/01/03, 10:38 +0700 GMT), TF This means many people haven't even seen your question, because they TF might not have been following the long thread I love the Bat. If you TF want to start a new subject, it is therefore recommended to not just TF hit Reply and only change the subject line, but to start a new TF message. ;-) Thanks for all that, Thomas :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Kludges?
Hello, I'm probably missing something in the Help but: 1. What exactly is a kludge in terms of TB!s filtering system? and, 2. If I'm filtering on the subject line of a mail (you know the stuff $$$ etc g) is that a kludge? Thanks :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Kludges?
Hello Marck, Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 3:29:20 AM, you wrote: MA 1. What exactly is a kludge in terms of TB!s filtering system? MA and, MDP It is simply one of the message headers, like Subject: $$$. MA 2. If I'm filtering on the subject line of a mail (you know the MA stuff $$$ etc g) is that a kludge? MDP It can be. Or you could just filter on the Subject header MDP explicitly. For instance, Kludge filters are good for spotting MDP specific Reply-to headers to filter list mail (it spots cross MDP posts and filters them correctly). Thanks Marck :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: FW: I love the Bat etc
Hello Kenneth, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 6:50:22 AM, you wrote: KSR Here is an option. Perhaps RTL can introduced 2.0 with multiple options, KSR and if some people are not happy with that, they can keep using 1.xx without KSR upgrading. I agree with Anne. As for this suggestion I would be far happier if those features were, if supplied at all, supplied as plug-ins which aren't incorporated into the runtime, so I don't have to waste memory and disk space with features I don't want, whilst still getting the benefits of newer code which your idea would preclude me from doing. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
Hello Robert, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 10:12:56 AM, you wrote: RS Editing in HTML and sending Emails in HTML is expected in this century. Yes RS Text messages have their place too, RS however, do not stamp your feet and send a plain message to friend or RS potential client. Many people like html mail May I suggest then, that there's a product ideally suited to you already out there. It's called Microsoft Outlook. It does all the things you want and also incorporates all that nice html code (including viruses) as well. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
Hello Michael, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 11:37:32 AM, you wrote: MD OK... Here's what I've done so far: MD Defragged the disk. MD Re-installed Win2k SP2 and security updates. MD Re-installed ZoneAlarm (firewall). MD Re-installed Trend Micro (virus scanner). MD Re-installed The Bat. MD Removed ALL the files and am using just the Inbox. And that list shows up your problem - you're running Zone Alarm. It causes problems with lots of software and interacts badly with Win2k amongst other things. Get a different Firewall. I use Outpost (www.agnitum.com) with no problems. No doubt other people will recommend others. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Miguel, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:32:32 PM, you wrote: You can't simply compare it to another language as you did in another message ... Spanish vs English. MAU It was just a way of trying to explain it to Mary. I should have MAU chosen a better example. What if TB editor only supported message MAU encoding in Latin-1 and not in Thai, Cyrillic, Greek and others? Actually I think a better comparison is plain text as all the above and html as something like Linear B. ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re address of my points regarding improvements for the Bat
Hello Robert, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 7:15:00 PM, you wrote: RS I doubt anyone will complaint if the bat introduced the following RS improvements: RS Web page viewing Option RS Web Page Editing option RS NNTP USENET News Reader Option I would. I already have a newsreader I'm quite happy with, and if I want to view web pages I use a web browser. If I want to edit a web page I use Dreamweaver. I've just changed in the last three months from bloatware to TB when I found out what it could do and, more importantly what it *wouldn't* do. I'd rather not have to change again. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Still Running Slow
Hello Greg, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 9:51:42 PM, you wrote: GS IIRC the problem with ZA could only be solved with a clean install of OS GS and software. My memory tells me this was Allie using Win2k. He could GS tell you otherwise. GS I can only say from my experience with WinXP. The problem went away with GS a clean install of OS + Software with Kerio. I do know from use of ZAP GS from version 1.x forward the uninstall program was NOT clean, and many GS users had problems until they did clean installs, or got down and dirty GS with the registry per ZA's manual uninstall instructions. The uninstall GS problem may not be the case with ZA 3.x. GS My point is just running the un-install program may NOT eliminate ZA as GS the culprit. There seems to be a particular problem with ZA and OSs using the NTFS filing system. I.e. ZA will work fine on the older consumer (DOS based) OSs but causes problems when you're running 2K or XP. I've heard of several other conflicts on NTFS systems which have been down to ZA and not just problems with TB. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Robert, Friday, January 17, 2003, 1:15:54 PM, you wrote: RS Hello , RS Why can't the bat with all its extra features many of them nice but RS some of them not that important do the following: RS (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner Because it's a text mail client. RS (2) Have the option of viewing HTML pages in its viewer. The double RS clicking attachments is cumbersome. It would be much better if that RS feature was simply optional and utilized function calls to existing RS browser code like Hotmetal used to do or other HTML editors could. See above RS (3) Read NNTP News Groups Because it's a mail client not a newsreader - that's what I use my newsreader for. RS (4) Improve the capability of backing up and restoring configuration RS information. It should be easy to backup any feature be it folder RS Sorting FILTERS etc.. Have you checked out tools/backup? -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Thomas, Friday, January 17, 2003, 5:48:29 PM, you wrote: TF Fact is, the computer was invented by Conrad Zuse (Google has more TF info on this German inventor) Nope, have to disagree with you there. The first working computer was Charles Babbage's Difference Engine ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Miguel, Friday, January 17, 2003, 6:30:31 PM, you wrote: MAU Hello Laura, resistance is futile, html is here to stay. MAU Just like Coca-Cola and McDonald ;-) Well, it just so happens that MacDonalds is having financial problems and is shutting restaurants all over the world :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus Plugins
Hello Timothy, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote: TC What Virus Plug-in do you all recommend for use with the Bat? Personally, Norton but YMMV. :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Virus Plugins
Hello Timothy, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 7:25:39 PM, you wrote: TC I have tried NAV 2002 and 2003 and have a problem with timeouts due to its e-mail scanning. TC The problem is that I maintain both of NATCAS big Internet servers. TC One we use as a e-mail server running mailsite and the other as a web server. Can I just ask - what surprises me in what you have said is that you don't have a sheep dip server dealing with the mail first? That would enable all virus loaded files to remain on that computer and only notifications to be sent to the Postmaster. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Andy, Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 3:11:56 PM, you wrote: AH Hello all. AH OK, assuming you've not filtered out my email completely because I'm AH using Outlook 2000 :-), I have a question (or two). I've just found The AH Bat!, test-installed it (latest as of yesterday, 1.62 is it?), and it AH looks good, but it seems to me that a move from one email client to AH another will be a massive investment of my time. AH 1. Is it worth it? (OK, I know you're all going to say yes!) AH 2. (for ex-Outlook 2000 users) Being honest, are there any things that AH OL 2000 does that you cannot do in TB!, that you miss? I can't tell you how to do all the things you're asking, because I haven't used TB for long enough (How long is long enough? How long is a piece of string g). What I can tell you is that I changed from OL/OE two months ago and I've never regretted it. TB is far better as a dedicated mail client instead of the how many functions can we cram into it Outlook, and is more effective than OE. I still use Outlook as my PIM, but I have no regrets that I no longer use it for mail. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Spike, Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 4:27:30 PM, you wrote: S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB S of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so S that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free S some space on the system. .tmp files are created by the by programs for use in the current session of Windows. The are *temporary* files which should be deleted by the software. However, software doesn't always handle this well and sometimes doesn't delete them all. This is most likely when the software crashes or when you have just installed something (I find installers are particularly bad at clearing out tmp files.). .tmp files are generic and not specific to any program and are a way of, for example, having a back up of say, a Word document when you are creating it. Consequently, the best way to deal with them is to write a short batch file which either a. deletes all files form that folder on shutdown, or b. deletes all files in that folder not having the same date as the current Windows session and using the Windows Scheduler to run it every week or so. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: special characters
Hello Clive, Sunday, January 12, 2003, 7:59:24 AM, you wrote: CT Hello Allie AM Your proposition is rather ridiculous and inelegant, to say the least. CT I disagree. I own two computers -- and often work from others, too. My CT laminated ASCII list is a godsend! But given that I've now mentioned CT three times in this thread how to produce ASCII characters by using CT alt+ combos without response, I guess that the techies here are intent CT on complicating what is a simple process :-( Whew! Thank you Clive, I was beginning to think I was the only person here who still used papyri, sorry paper ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: special characters
Hello Allie, Sunday, January 12, 2003, 5:34:08 PM, you wrote: AM Indeed. PowerPro profoundly affects my use of TB!. I've used it to AM create tool-bars as you've done, modified keyboard shortcuts in ways the AM integrated shortcut editor can't, and also to create macros triggered by AM shortcuts. Ok, Ok already. ;-) blush Er, what exactly is PowerPro? -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: special characters
Hello Allie, Monday, January 13, 2003, 2:56:00 AM, you wrote: AM http://www.windowspowerpro.com/ AM An excellent macro tool among other things. AM It's designed to make life easier for the user by making repetitive AM tasks more easily carried out and helping to make applications behave AM more like how the user specifically desires. Thanks. It's not something I'd come across before. :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: special characters
Hello Allie, Saturday, January 11, 2003, 1:22:30 PM, you wrote: AM In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], AM Jan Rifkinson [JR] wrote:' JR Does anyone besides me think that it might be useful to be able to JR insert ascii special characters like [cents or copyright, etc] into JR a msg from a chart? AM I agree with this. It can be tedious to open the character map, copy the AM character and then paste it. So, open up character map, note down all the alt+number combinations you need into a text file and print it out and sit it by your computer. It's not rocket science ;-) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: AVG's 'Move to Virus Vault' Parenting
Hello Granville, Friday, January 10, 2003, 10:05:45 AM, you wrote: GC I have just downloaded Tauscan and have scanned my computer for GC Trojans. I have been using AVG AntiVirus. The result of the scan with GC Tauscan was that there were no viruses found on my computer. Are you GC sure AVG is not the Bees Knees when it comes to protecting your GC computer from these infections? Tauscan wouldn't find any viruses. It only scans for Trojans. There is a difference between viruses, worms and Trojans. You need a virus scanner and a Trojan scanner (the AV should catch the worms too). As far as AVG goes, let's just say I worked for a gov't dept where computer security was extremely important. not believing manufacturers hype of course we tested a range of AV solutions from e.g., Symantec, Network Associates, Sophos, and so on, and including most of the smaller companies too. The only ones to come through with a clean bill of health (i.e. for the large majority of the tests they had a 100% record) were Symantec and Sophos. -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AVG's 'Move to Virus Vault' Parenting
Hello Oliver, First I digress. For anyone who replied to anything I said in the last week or so, sorry if I haven't replied. I wasn't around and when I got back the posts were so long I just ctrl-m'ed ;-) Thursday, January 9, 2003, 12:19:20 PM, you wrote: OA Hello Maurice, OA This is maybe a bit offtopic but AVG's problem is OA it doesn't find Trojan Horses. I have been OA infected by the backdoor.sdbot.gen. Most AV software will not pick up most Trojans. Nor will they often be picked up by firewalls when they are communicating outwardly from your computer. That's why there are Trojan scanners as separate software. I recommend Tauscan from Agnitum (www.agnitum.com). And no, I don't work for them or have any contact other than as a satisfied user of their firewall and soon to be of Tauscan (I'm using the trial) ;-) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters
Hello Sue, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 5:30:34 PM, you wrote: S Well, I've tried all the great suggestions given and nothing has S resolved the issue, although I still have yet to find updated video S drivers, which I'll do momentarily. S Actually I'm quite disappointed as I thought I had found a great email S client for an older computer... maybe mine is just too old! I did S discover that it only occurs in plain text mode, which the composer only S uses. I have it set to Rich text/HTML to read incoming messages and S everything looks normal there, but if I change it back to plain text S mode, all incoming mail looks just as horrible. Just a thought. Is all your incoming mail in the same character set? I.e. in Windows, for instance, unless you install things like Chinese, Arabic etc (non-Latin characters) all the mail you get in those languages will be garbage. Indeed, that's one of the ways I spot spam, a lot of which comes with a .tw (Taiwan) country identifier in the sender address. -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Victor, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 5:18:41 AM, you wrote: VBG In actuality I have 2 AVs. pccillin Norton fully updated. VBG I manually choose to disable their running active on VBG purpose. I like my system to run quicker faster do not VBG appreciate the lag these types of programs create. Er, don't :) That is, don't have 2 AVs as they will tend to crash your system if you run them both at the same time, and don't turn the AV you do have off. On any modern computer the the lag will be so small you won't notice it in terms of machine use. I use Norton and I don't even notice it's there on an Athlon Thunderbird 800 machine with 1.3 Gb of RAM. A Seriously, you absolutely should have a scanner. You could be one of MA the people passing on viruses to people. VBG Even if I had executed the virus and it be one of the worst VBG viruses in existence it really wouldn't have affected me in VBG the least. How do you know? And how do you know it won't affect someone else? VBG I've built my systems to be +virus proof and I can literally VBG catch over 400 different viruses in one shot and it wouldn't VBG make a difference to my information or OS boot stability. Victor, you really need to read the literature. There is no such thing as 100% virus/worm/Trojan proof. There is only a very high degree of protection. That's because each new incursion will result in a virus/worm/Trojan which you don't know about and which executes code you may not be protected against. VBG To be honest I don't even need my currently updated AVs. Yes, you do. :) MA Not having a scanner not only means you can get infected, it also MA means you can pass it on to other people. VBG You're right! you got me there. I know not every one has VBG systems plans in place like I do to fend off viruses, VBG Trojans worms. You may fend off most, but basically, even you if a triple-cycled sheep dip machine, you can till miss something. VBG I have plans on writing a report on how to operate VBG maintain a safe and healthy OS after I finish my spam report VBG and to be honest you've made a point I really didn't stop to VBG think about. I should check out what's already on the Net before leaping into writing something. I'm not saying you don't know enough or can't help people to learn some tricks, but your attitude to new threats and to passing on nasties seems a little naive. And that's not meant in any way offensively. VBG One thing then I would need help with if someone would be VBG so kind. One, I understand The Bat! supports the AVG plugin, VBG but do I need AVG running all the time or can AVG simply VBG launch unnoticeably when I hit send to send mail out then VBG just stop? You'd be much better off with the excellent Norton engine that you already have, running all the time. -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Jonathan, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 5:33:26 AM, you wrote: JA I was after a specific example of a virus that affects TB!, as from JA the statement, it'd appear that you think there are viruses that are JA propagated via TB!, I'm not saying there are any, but I've not seen JA any. Of course, there are methods of getting viruses from websites, JA iframe and javascript for example, but none of those are specific to JA TB! I'd like to hear of an example that specifically affects TB! and JA doesn't require that you make some kind of user interaction, because JA if user interaction is required, then again, it's not specific to JA TB, but could be included in a floppy disk, CD, website, download, JA or whatever, at which point you'd have to run it anyway. Unlikely. Most viruses/worms/trojans are not program-specific. It's only the cr*p from the script kiddies that usually is, and that's just because they're using virus engineering software they've downloaded off a site and don't know any better. JA Not that I am worried, I run Sophos on our mail servers, so I'm JA not too worried about getting infected, but I'd still like to JA know which viruses you think affect TB! Yeah, Sophos is generally good, particularly in it's corporate form, as I said. Which viruses/worms/trojans? Any that are targeted at mail generically as opposed to OL/OE specific. TB is still software like any other and anything that would target the underlying mail engine i.e. that targets pop3, smtp etc will have an effect on TB. So, a generic which distributed itself by attaching to any sent message would affect TB as much as any other mail program. At least TB has it's own address book which solves one of the current problems :) Good. Actually, people cause far more problems these days by transmission rather than by their own misfortune :) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I caught the NIMBDA Virus
Hello Thomas, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 2:21:19 PM, you wrote: TF How can you ben infected through TB with a trojan? Through an attachment for example. Even from a trusted source. And as long as you keep all your mail incoming to text only. TF No, TB's HTML rendering engine does not allow code to run. Code doesn't have to run in TB. You can download mail from a trusted source, save it to disk and run it from there. And you may never know you have the trojan as a good trojan will not affect your machine until, for example, the time comes for your machine to be used in a DDOS attack. And as long as you don't click on something sent to you by a friend. And as long as you don't click on something by accident. TF In both these cases, you have to either actually switch off the TF Warning feature in TB, or ignore the warning. so, accidents are not TF really possible, and TB will allow you to open the file sent to you by TF a friend, because TB assumes you know what you are doing when you TF click the warning away. I would not like TB to nanny me that far. And there is a good example of a security hole. How do you know your friend isn't passing on an infection, whether it be worm/virus or trojan? And as long as you have AV software to make sure none of the above happens if you don't take the necessary precautions for one reason or another. TF There are enough people who don't run AV software for email, as long TF as they run TB. It is pretty difficult to start a received malware by TF accident from within TB. If you're not convinced by my trusted source argument: It wasn't that long ago that Microsoft distributed a CD to 2000 developers at a Developers Conference which contained a virus/worm. And it was only a couple of years before that that Novell sent out 50k copies of it's what was then it's current networking product also containing a worm. ;-) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Model/view design for text editor
Hello Victor, Saturday, December 28, 2002, 9:03:03 AM, you wrote: VBG I am currently using Keynote and it is great but I really VBG like the hard wrap functions and free style caret that TB! VBG provides. VBG Anyone know of a good text editor like that? I'm not sure if it's like that (because I'm too dumb to know what you mean be free style caret _ perhaps I should ask my bunny? g) but you may like to try: http://www.editpadpro.com/ which is my editor of choice and is multi-language both in terms of programming, html etc, and in terms of the language set. There is a free version (Lite), a trial version (IIRC) and the full version, which I have. I've been using it for over 2 years now and I wouldn't swap it for anything :) -- Best regards, Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
