Re[2]: New Competition for The Bat!
On Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 8:30:36 AM, Doug Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DW Thursday, September 16, 2004, 5:07:30 PM, you wrote: Thomas Hello Joseph, Thomas On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:20:04 + (UTC) GMT Thomas (14/09/2004, 23:20 +0700 GMT), Thomas Joseph N. wrote: 'Block images and other external content in HTML e-mail.' JN Mozilla and Thunderbird have had this feature for two or three JN years. It's not new competition for TB! Thomas It's competition insofar as they give the user a choice. TB doesn't Thomas give a choice, the images even from trusted sites cannot be downloaded Thomas without using the browser. And when you do use the browser, the Thomas images sent with the mail are not displayed. DW Agreed. I want the choice, I don't want RitLabs deciding what I can and DW cannot view as though I'm not to be trusted to handle what is after all DW a pretty complex piece of software, not exactly aimed at the AOL lot. What I don't get is why RitLabs hasn't implemented things like Outlook and (now) Gmail. By default, external images aren't displayed. But all one needs to do is click on an option in that individual email and all the images are then displayed. TB's poor handling of external images is one reason that I have moved all of my HTML newsletters subscriptions over to my Gmail address. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
redirecting html mail to gmail
In TB, I've noticed that I receive two types of HTML mail: both show the full message as message.html attachment, but they differ in one type being able to the delete the attachment. I can't delete the html attachment with Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--(some long number) but can with Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 and Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary===_MIME-Boundary-1_== I've been redirecting lots of my email to gmail. When I redirect or forward the former kind (where one cannot delete the HTML piece), the HTML message will be an attachment to the text message. The latter type, however, will show up properly (i.e., as it was originally intended): as a single HTML email message. Is there anything I can do so that I get all of my gmail messages to show up as originally intended? (Btw, I have three gmail invites. If anyone needs an account, I'll send an invite to the first three that write me here.) jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
tbudl archives?
What happened to the Bat archives? The link from Silverstones has http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com/ I just get a page that has the specs of a wimpy machine... jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Does 3.0 properly render Outlook email?
A major problem with 2.x was that it wouldn't render Outlook email properly. It often concatenates words. Very annoying, especially when one wants to reply/forward the message. The bug was reported long ago but was never fixed. Does 3.0 fix this? jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help file in V3 is still the V2 help file!
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 2:22:09 PM, Morgan Pugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MP Hi The Bat! User DL, MP Just checked the help and it is all about whats new in Version 2 MP heh. Surprise surprise. They just don't get it, do they? jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Ritlabs policy is not great...
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 3:59:40 PM, DZ-Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) DJ Sorry, but I also paid for v2.x about 4 months ago and will not update DJ to v3, ever. I will continue using v2.12 until that time when I find a DJ better program. Me too. What's keeping me back is the lack of folder specific macro-driven templates in any other email program that I've seen... jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting office
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 8:03:43 AM, Paul Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PJ Hi, PJ I amusing V3 PJ Can anyone tell me how to move all my filters to common so that I can PJ then share them with the relevant accounts? PJ Also is there any reason not to put all the filters in common and PJ share them as appropriate? You're serious? Rit didn't provide an easy way to migrate filters??? jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Does 3.0 properly render Outlook email?
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 4:43:05 PM, Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JA On Wednesday, September 01, 2004, jwayne wrote... A major problem with 2.x was that it wouldn't render Outlook email properly. It often concatenates words. Very annoying, especially when one wants to reply/forward the message. The bug was reported long ago but was never fixed. Does 3.0 fix this? JA No, but the problem is a mixed issue. The cause is Outlook wrapping JA HTML lines, but not showing any kind of spacing between the two words. JA Nicely formatted email based HTML, would look like this: JA this is a new = JA line JA The = would tell TB to leave the space there (or they could use %20 or JA nbsp;), and would nicely put a break in it. However, outlook does it JA like this: JA this is a new JA line JA The trailing space doesn't exist, so when TB unwraps it, it has no JA idea that they aren't two separate words. Of course, it could do it a JA different way, and treat a new line as a white space like most JA programs do. But then, what do you do with the additional space that JA gets put in there if somebody uses the top format? ;) Take a look at JA the HTML formatted email that TB sends out, it inserts the =, there JA are a few others do as well, I believe evolution does too. I hear what you are saying but it's only on a reply that TB screws up. 1) TB is able to read the multipart/mixed message correctly. 2) The attached HTML-message file renders correctly when launched 3) Forwarding the message (contrary to my original post) doesn't concatenate The burden (unfortunately) really rests on TB to fix how it handles replies to such messages. MS is probably not going to do a diddly damn about it. They have the market share, not TB. If TB's authors are serious about it becoming more widely accepted they will have to take into account Outlook quirks (as well as becoming more serious about very unprofessional and long standing issues such as the atrocious Help file.) (Suggestion one: look at the x-header. If it's from Outlook, substitute a space for a crlf. Suggestion two: handle replies like forwards.) 'Course, the recent 3.0 fiasco may make all of this a moot point. They certainly aren't making friends these days... jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: pausing tbudl list subscription
Is there a way to easily pause a subscription (say I'm going on vacation) instead of un-subscribe / re-subscribe which normally takes two requests / confirmations? Thanks - jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: The Bat! Help files
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 6:19:29 PM, Mike email (The Bat!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MeTB Hi MeTB Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 1:38:27 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Now see: Options | Preferences | Viewer / Editor | Editor Preferences | MDP General (common for all editors) | Quote name limit. MDP and *set it to a sensible number*!!! MeTB Default seems to be 20. What would you view as sensible? Yeah, I that's the reason for my messed up quotes and 20 is sensible! I had lowered the number because I was tired of TB thinking that was a quote when it wasn't and forgot about other quote-related side affects (this one as well as wrapping issues). My main problem was when I wanted to have an arrow - at the beginning of the line. Anyone have a suggestion for a TB-friendly arrow? Thanks - jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: hot key for mark as junk- PLEASE
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 5:33:25 PM, Arjan de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AdG On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:07:35 +0200, Roelof Otten wrote: GM Who doesn't use mark as junk at least 5 times a day? I don't. AdG Me neither. Spampal takes care of the junk marking all by AdG itself. I don't use any spam filter at all, I don't get as much as five spams a week and yes, I've been on line for quite some time with my current addresses. AdG I have used (and still use) real mail addresses on usenet. AdG Before my provider took care of it, my Spamfilter caught AdG around 200 Spam mails on average days and around 300 on AdG peak days. IMO provider side filtering is _the_ future of AdG Spam control. Agreed. One of the hosts I use has Spam Assassin in place which catches an incredible amount of spam. I didn't even realize how much until I logged on to cpanel and checked it out. I also get very little spam on this myrealbox account which is managed by Novell, so they are obviously doing something on the back-end as well. Hotmail has gotten a lot better also. Yahoo, IMO, is far and away the worst in the spam filtering department. Fighting spam at the email-client is a losing battle. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! Help files
On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 7:01:04 PM, Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LG Hello jwayne, LG Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 4:57:09 PM, you wrote: jwayne Anyone have a suggestion for a TB-friendly arrow? LG Yep... Put a single space before it. LG - What is the sound of one hand smacking? (my head, that is) jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! Help files
On Monday, July 12, 2004, 7:32:07 PM, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RO Hallo jon, RO On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:04:18 -0400GMT (12-7-2004, 23:04 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: RO RO AJ Documentation is part of a product. RO That's an awkward way of quoting. Blame TB! jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! Help files
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 7:53:22 AM, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RO Hallo jwayne, RO On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:33:06 -0400GMT (13-7-2004, 13:33 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: RO RO RO AJ Documentation is part of a product. RO RO That's an awkward way of quoting. RO J Blame TB! RO I suppose I could do that, but then again: You're the only one I've RO noticed using that kind of quoting, so it might be your RO settings/template and not TB itself that is at fault. = Here's my template: %Cursor On %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, %OFromName %OFromAddr wrote: %Quotes jon -- %FromAddr = Pretty standard. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! Help files
On Monday, July 12, 2004, 12:36:47 PM, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RO Hallo Allister, RO On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:34:35 +1200GMT (12-7-2004, 7:34 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: RO AJ Documentation is part of a product. RO Though I certainly wouldn't say that TB is the best documented program RO ever, I certainly can't blame RitLabs too much for the online help. Who can you blame if not RitLabs? This has been hashed many times on the list, and many folks truly believe that the poor help system has only served to hold back TB's market penetration. RO Let's face it. What do you expect from a help file? It has to mention RO the features in the program, but it doesn't have to take you by the RO hand like one of those [EMAIL PROTECTED]@d MS wizards that take you almost to the RO place where you'd like to be and then leave you in the dark how to RO get at your final destination. Most people expect a help file that covers all features and is written clearly. Try Help under Options | Network Administration and tell me that this really covers accounts groups properly. Where is the detailed information regarding the different editors? Why are things like Unblock User PIN in TB when it applies to a different product? RO I can't remember how many questions I've answered with straight RO quotations from the help. Most questions I didn't do that were things RO I wouldn't expect in a help file. Maybe because you have low expectations (like I do) for TB's help? When I have a problem/question with TB, I rarely invoke Help because it is so hard to find info (if indeed it exists.) Now imagine a new user who tries to invoke Help in Options | Preferences (arguably one of the most critical areas where competent Help is necessary.) Tell me that the The topic does not exist error message is not particularly egregious and unprofessional... jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: cc vs bcc screwup
On Sunday, July 11, 2004, 11:43:39 AM, Greg Strong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GS Hello Roelof, GS Friday, July 9, 2004, 8:14:21 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: GS J I recently messed up and sent out a newsletter using a group list in cc versus bcc. GS J Took _so_ much care in preparing and testing, only to screw-up with the final GS J version. Feel REALLY stupid. GS RO Next time use the mass mailing feature. That way each recipient gets GS RO his own message without any other recipients listed. Besides that, you GS RO can personalise the messages with mass mailing: things like Hi %ToFName GS RO work. GS Yes I think this is best solution. Doesn't this send out a separate email from one's computer to each recipient? It seems like that would be an inordinate amount of resource for anything more than a small email list. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: composing html mail
On Saturday, July 10, 2004, 12:10:05 AM, Russell L. Farabee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RLF jwayne, RLF Friday, July 9, 2004, 6:25:25 PM, you wrote: == RLF It's a mess. I have a work around that involves inserting the html code via search and replace, but it is cumbersome at best. What I have also done, which is fairly easy is to create my messages and save them in a subfolder. You could save them anywhere. I then copy them to my outbox, change the subject, recipient, and whatever else I need to modify and then resave them to the outbox. I can't tell you how, but when I do that, the message id changes, and of course the date changes. snip (other workarounds/problems relating to TB's numerous HTML editor problems) /snip RLF I have never used outlook, so I can't comment on whether its easier or harder, but I did check PocoMail and Becky and a number of others and for my purposes concluded that The Bat is still a better choice. I think the HTML editor and rendering is just way down on their list of things to fix, but trust that they will finally devote the resources to fix it. I'd be happy as a clam if they would just fix the spell checker. == Ya, know, I used to be a die-hard text-only email user and composer. But after delving more into usability studies, the importance of font and layout control in _email_ became very apparent. (And the pseudo-underlining of that previous email is a trivial example!) I know that this is almost a religious topic to many, but I hope that the TB authors recognize the importance of HTML email and continue to improve its capabilities. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: cc vs bcc screwup
On Friday, July 9, 2004, 9:11:27 PM, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RO Hallo Ian, RO On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:47:44 +1000GMT (9-7-2004, 23:47 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: RO j I recently messed up and sent out a newsletter using a group list in cc versus bcc. RO IAW It can't be turned off, but the best solution I have found is to move RO IAW it to the top of the header list. This way you can't tab down to it RO IAW and inadvertently use it. RO Actually it can be turned off in the header list, that way can't pick RO it from the headers. True, but it turns it off on a global basis. It would be nice if this were an account or (better yet) folder customization feature. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
cc vs bcc screwup
I recently messed up and sent out a newsletter using a group list in cc versus bcc. Took _so_ much care in preparing and testing, only to screw-up with the final version. Feel REALLY stupid. Any suggestions or tricks (besides BE MORE CAREFUL IDIOT) that can help prevent this in the future? Thanks -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: cc vs bcc screwup
On Friday, July 9, 2004, 5:47:44 PM, Ian A. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IAW jwayne, IAW On Saturday, July 10, 2004, 7:02:47 AM, you (jwayne) wrote: IAW j I recently messed up and sent out a newsletter using a group list in cc versus bcc. (snip) IAW I have had this request from others I have introduced to TB! to IAW prevent the spread of e-mail addresses particularly with various IAW privacy laws. IAW It can't be turned off, but the best solution I have found is to move IAW it to the top of the header list. This way you can't tab down to it IAW and inadvertently use it. I did that plus the other suggestion posted regarding templates. It would be nice if headers could be hidden on a per account (or folder) basis. Another helpful feature would be a configurable confirmation to prompt the sender if there were more than x number of recipients in the To or CC fields. It's no excuse for my screwup, but this is not that unusual of a mistake. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
composing html mail
Having various problems with html mail. If I compose within TB using HTML/Plain Text and then switch to HTML only, HTML formatting is lost. I can't cut/paste from one HTML message into another. If I import text with HTML into the plain text editor and switch to HTML/Plain Text, almost all tags are lost (it somehow keeps li tags.) If I change a font or bold a hyperlink, the URL info is lost and has to be re-entered. If I'm doing a quick HTML message, the internal editor works ok. But I'm finding it quite burdensome to maintain a more complex message or - more importantly - to reuse code from previously sent messages. Is there a way to compose html mail outside of TB and then send it as html-only mail? Thanks. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML mail forward reply
If I forward HTML mail or reply to it, how do I get the original message body to stay in HTML format? As is, it gets converted to plain text. Thanks - jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Top Posting / Cut Mark
Can the moderator send these seemingly endless top posting and cut mark messages to the offending poster and not the whole list? It's amazing how many of these I've been getting lately. Wading through these messages is - IMHO - _much_ more annoying than the relatively minor problem of a top poster. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
On Friday, June 4, 2004, 1:06:56 PM, Simon Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SM Today I upgraded TheBat from v 2.10 to 2.11 by installing on top of SM the old 2.10. Every time I run TheBat 2.11, the CPU usage goes to SM 100%, except when TheBat is using the disk a lot. SM I've tried to remove the BayersIt-plugin and rename it's folder, SM and move the content of my junk-folder to another folder - without any SM change. SM Some tasks, like reading mail, viewing folders and altering options is SM running as fast as they always have done, while reciving messages and SM moving messages is painfully slow. SM When I try to exit TheBat, I get the warning message Some tasks are SM active now. Do you want to exit when they are finished? with the SM buttons Yes, No and Abort. Nothing happens when I press any of SM them, and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager. SM I use Win 2000 professional danish, with the latest service packs. I also use W2k (tho' not Danish) with latest SPs updates and also upgraded by installing on top of 2.10. Don't use plugins. On loading TB, CPU utilization quickly goes to 100% and then quickly back down to 0%. Receiving messages also shoots CPU up to 100%, but only for the time it is receiving, and it isn't painfully slow. Haven't had to kill TB from task manager. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
still haven't fixed the outlook concat bug...
Just upgraded TB to the latest. I'm still getting email messages from Outlook with word concatenation. Considering the market penetration of Outlook, you'd think that RIT would make such a bug fix a priority. OTOH, you'd also think that they'd make a decent help file a priority... jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB 2.11 released...
On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 11:06:55 AM, Thorvald Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TN Hæ! TN Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 12:55, jwayne wrote: The download link points to (and downloads) redirect.php. TN Not on my machine. It might be your browser. Looks like it. Trying to figure out why! jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: TB 2.11 released...
On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 11:09:01 PM, jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: j On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 11:06:55 AM, Thorvald Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TN Hæ! TN Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 12:55, jwayne wrote: The download link points to (and downloads) redirect.php. TN Not on my machine. It might be your browser. j Weird. In IE 6 or Mozilla 1.6, clicking on the download link next to The Bat! j 2.11.00 will download the filename the_bat2.11.00.exe. When I click on it in j Firefox .8, it downloads the executable as redirect.php. Wrote a note on the j Mozillazine board and will see what the experts say... Problem solved! The culprit is the extension Linky. http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#linky Will contact the author. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 2.11 released...
On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 4:49:54 AM, Thorvald Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TN Hæ! TN TB v2.11 is available: TN http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php The download link points to (and downloads) redirect.php. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stand Alone Bat-Type Free Caret Editor?
On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 11:55:18 AM, Paul Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS Perhaps this is a DUMB question, but is there a stand-alone editor PS that is similar to the one used in The Bat? PS I love free caret editing and appreciate the fact that many PS key-combos are the same as I use in WordStar. Multiedit.com. Free caret, but can also be turned off if you like. Configure the keymapping as you desire. An extremely powerful editor. Not cheap. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB 2.11 released...
On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 11:06:55 AM, Thorvald Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TN Hæ! TN Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 12:55, jwayne wrote: The download link points to (and downloads) redirect.php. TN Not on my machine. It might be your browser. Weird. In IE 6 or Mozilla 1.6, clicking on the download link next to The Bat! 2.11.00 will download the filename the_bat2.11.00.exe. When I click on it in Firefox .8, it downloads the executable as redirect.php. Wrote a note on the Mozillazine board and will see what the experts say... jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Fake bounce
On Sunday, May 30, 2004, 8:17:07 AM, Paul Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PC On Saturday, May 29, 2004, 11:22 PM, you wrote: j ith a TB macro. It's much more time consuming that just deleting the offending j messages as sending an email to Spamcop is only half the process. You must also j wait for an email link for each spam email that you sent to Spamcop, then go to j their site to finish processing the isp reporting piece. I have doubts that it is j efficacious in reducing spam but it does feel better than just deleting the j spam! PC you don't have to wait for the reply, Marck has 2 filters, one also PC takes the reply and opens up a browser window for you with the spamcop PC submit page open. If it takes the reply then you have to wait for it, no? Nevertheless, my primary point is that using Spamcop is more time consuming that simply deleting email off the server based on viewing the header (ala Mailwasher) and that (IMO) any reduction of spam due to the use of Spamcop service is probably insignificant. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fake bounce
On Saturday, May 29, 2004, 2:34:23 PM, rich gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rg Hello Batters! rg I know there exists a template/macro that will do the following but I never did get it up and running. rg From an ad: rg Have you ever wished that you could return spam to its sender and fool rg them into thinking that your e-mail address is not valid? MailWasher rg lets you do just that. You can also choose to delete a message on the rg e-mail server, without downloading it. MailWasher retrieves rg information about all e-mail messages on the server. You start rg MailWasher, and it tells you what messages are waiting for you on the rg mail server. In the check boxes, you select whether to Delete or rg Bounce messages, then click the Process Mail button. If you have rg checked nothing, the e-mail is downloaded to your e-mail client as rg normal. Version: 2.0.40 Price: Free trial; $20 to purchase rg I know that some high percentage of SPAMs come from invalid addresses rg so perhaps the entire project/cost is not worth the effort? rg Does anyone have such a process running locally in TB!? I always have Mailwasher running, and while I doubt that the bounce feature has any value, find that it is a pretty handy tool for deleting spam before downloading the messages to TB. You can probably find a number of freeware tools that will allow you to do much of what Mailwasher does. Someone else recommended Spamcop. I occasionally use that service in conjunction with a TB macro. It's much more time consuming that just deleting the offending messages as sending an email to Spamcop is only half the process. You must also wait for an email link for each spam email that you sent to Spamcop, then go to their site to finish processing the isp reporting piece. I have doubts that it is efficacious in reducing spam but it does feel better than just deleting the spam! jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New TB! release June 1, 2004
On Friday, May 28, 2004, 11:56:06 AM, Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MB Hello all tbudl subsccribers! MB Is anyone planning to download the new version of TB! promised to be MB available on June 1? MB I just received an announcement of it in a newsletter from RITLABS MB [EMAIL PROTECTED]. It says, in part, Ritlabs is glad to announce a MB new version of The Bat! program with an unique feature of Mail Chat MB that will be published on June 1, 2004. MB What do you think? I think that they should fix the outstanding bugs and problems before adding new features... jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: HTML Links
On Friday, May 21, 2004, 6:19:41 PM, John Cunnane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JC Hi All, JC I believe that we can agree with my first point that clicking on a JC HTML link in the preview pane takes you to the top of the message on JC the first click and then opens the browser on the second. I assume JC that this is a bug and not a feature? JC As for the '' characters in a HTML link when Reply is used, I would JC be grateful if you could reply to this message and check the following JC link in the quoted text. If the bug is present, the '' characters in JC the link will be replaced by spaces and the link will no longer work. JC http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=41559item=4190830767rd=1 I agree with your first point as I have the same problem 2.10.03. But I have never seen the second problem and indeed it isn't showing up in this reply. -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: SPAM Filtering Problems)
On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 1:08:21 PM, Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LG Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not LG just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have LG instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Brien. Getting an awful lot of these moderator's top posting / improper sig notes lately. Can they be sent to individuals rather than the whole list? jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML mail problems a question
I'm putting together some email newsletters in HTML format. (Please, no rants against HTML email. For some purposes it is far superior than plain text for readability.) But what's the deal with TB's HTML editor? Almost NOTHING works from the menu. Search (find, replace) does NOTHING. Utilities insert date, insert time, evaluate do NOTHING. Spell Checker (all options) does NOTHING. Besides these major problems, is there any way to insert a horizontal rule? Thanks - jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's with the TB archives?
On Monday, May 10, 2004, 9:10:44 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: (snip) J Thanks. BTW, I only found the Gmane link via Google. (snip) MDP Damn! That's being sent out by the list server and it thinks it's MDP sending HTML instead of plain text. I shall have to go a-mending. Oh, and one more thing. The Gmane links on http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html are incorrect. They should be be prefixed with news://, not nntp://. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's with the TB archives?
On Monday, May 10, 2004, 9:35:45 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Dear Jwayne, MDP @10-May-2004, 09:17 -0400 (10-May 14:17 UK time) jwayne [J] in MDP mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: J Thanks. BTW, I only found the Gmane link via Google. MDP Damn! That's being sent out by the list server and it thinks MDP it's sending HTML instead of plain text. I shall have to go MDP a-mending. J Oh, and one more thing. The Gmane links on J http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html are incorrect. J They should be be prefixed with news://, not nntp://. MDP I don't think so. They work perfectly as they are. nntp:// is the MDP correct prefix for news protocol URLs. I get OE errors when clicking on an nntp:// link. Probably could fix this in the registry. Regardless, http://rfc.net/rfc1738.html states Note that while nntp: URLs specify a unique location for the article resource, most NNTP servers currently on the Internet today areconfigured only to allow access from local clients, and thus nntp URLs do not designate globally accessible resources. Thus, the news:form of URL is preferred as a way of identifying news articles. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's with the TB archives?
On Monday, May 10, 2004, 10:47:46 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Dear Jonathan, MDP @10-May-2004, 09:33 -0500 (10-May 15:33 UK time) Jonathan Angliss MDP [JA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP ... JA the instructions ;) Which... also specifies nntp:// So once JA again, OE breaks stuff ;) MDP ... which I had forgotten and put changes to our references out of MDP the question AFAIAC. Unless anybody thinks that both our reference MDP page and the GMane page itself are in the wrong? No, apparently the references are fine. Read this: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.music.equipment.slimdevices.general/8231 So it appears that OE is broken (big surprise). I normally use Agent, but it's a hassle to get it to work with multiple nntp servers. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What's with the TB archives?
Last posting in the tbudl archives is over 2 weeks old. Has the archiving been abandoned? (I hope not, because I only resubscribed to ask this question!) jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's with the TB archives?
On Monday, May 10, 2004, 6:58:56 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Dear Jwayne, MDP @10-May-2004, 06:52 -0400 (10-May 11:52 UK time) jwayne [J] in MDP mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: J Last posting in the tbudl archives is over 2 weeks old. Has J the archiving been abandoned? (I hope not, because I only J resubscribed to ask this question!) MDP We're still sending to the archive. A much better archive is the new MDP GMane one. Check the TBUDLInfo page for details! Thanks. BTW, I only found the Gmane link via Google. My latest Welcome email has only http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ which is also the only link I could find on Silverstones. This is also the link on RIT's TB support page. (As a side note, most of the links that I see in the Welcome email have lt; and gt;. They don't work when I click on them because the gt; is part of the link.) jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address book multiple recipients
How exactly is the email addresses used in the general tab of an address? If I select a Group, can this be used for all the recipients, or does there have to be a separate contact entry for each recipient? Secondly, what is the format for entering multiple address in this field? Comma-delineated, separate line for each? Finally, what are the secondary addresses referred to in the Other tab? (As usual, Help _should_ have covered these basic questions...) BTW, if I receive an email with lots of names in the CC field (because the sender foolishly didn't use BCC), and go to add all names to my address book, then decide to cancel, I have to hit cancel for each name. Cancel should cancel the operation; there should be a Skip button to bypass adding the current address. Should I submit as a bug or a feature request? Thanks. jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
View modes in 2.04.7: what the H happened?
I just upgraded to 2.04.7 from CE. My view modes no longer work. I'm stuck in my Subject Received mode and can't change to any other mode! Not from the menu, not with the Shift-Alt hot keys, and regardless of folder. Anybody know what gives? jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How's THIS for an error message?!!
Options, Preferences, Protection, Anti-spam. Add. Select the Bayesit plug-in. I then get an Error window saying It seems that something is present in your registry, but it is not enough or corrupted! Huh?? This has to be in the running for the worst error message award... jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: View modes in 2.04.7: what the H happened?
On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 8:00:24 PM, Greg Strong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GS Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 6:19:17 PM, jwayne wrote: j I'm stuck in j my Subject Received mode and can't change to any other mode! GS In the main window what is selected under View | Global View Mode? Yep, that was it. The upgrade obviously decided to enable this setting which I never used before. Thanks... jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving Account in Folder Tree
On Sunday, February 8, 2004, 11:01:17 AM, Gerda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G Hello Joseph N., G zondag 8 februari 2004, 16:18:46, you wrote: JN How can I move an account, i.e., all the folders for one account, to a JN different location in my folder tree. It doesn't work to treat the JN account name like a folder and alt+click it. (There are several JN accounts viewable, because they are grouped.) G control + shift and arrow up or down will do the tric. And don't forget Ctrl-Shift + (RightArrow or LeftArrow) to change the subfolder heirarchy... -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Please Send Me A Virus
On Saturday, February 7, 2004, 6:50:09 PM, MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M Hello John, Could someone send me a virus, I'm wanting to test the AntiVir Plugin. M I've just sent a msg with MyDoom. Bad choice. Shouldn't email anything except eicar. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why does The Bat! make a new entry in the Registry every time it launches?
On Saturday, February 7, 2004, 1:11:25 PM, Stan Robins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SR According to Greyware Registry Rearguard, The Bat! make a new entry in SR the Registry every time it launches. (WinXP) It is the only SR application I have used that does this. V. 1 of The Bat! did not do SR this. Here is the log entry from GRR: RunOnce (snip) SR I would expect the engineers to be able to demonstrate that recreating SR the entry upon every launch is indispensable to some essential feature SR of the software. (other notes replied on how to disable this in preferences.) For the life of me, I can't imagine why this new feature was even considered. C'mon guys, it's an EMAIL program, not a critical service that needs to be loaded on logon (and for folks that want this to load automatically, it makes much more sense just to put it in a startup folder.) jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Extracting email addres from the body
On Friday, February 6, 2004, 11:25:23 AM, Marten Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MG Anyone know if there's a way of extracting an email address from the MG body of an email and using that as the 'from' address to allow me to MG send the message to a 'subscribe' to an email newsletter that they MG want to be subscribed to. MG I.e: an e-commerce site sends me an email that has a load of guff MG about their order, icldues their email address and if they ahe ticked MG YES to getting a newsltter I need to send thee mail address to a MG different email account for the newsletter controlling programme to MG collect and act on. Yeah, you can do about anything if you can get past an often obscure macro language that often depends on regular expressions. Here's an example from one of my eBay confirmation templates: Original message has in the text: Buyer: johndoe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The following is part of a reply template. It extracts the email info above and puts it in the To field. %TO='%setpattregexp=(?i-s)(Buyer\: +)(.+\:)(.+)%RegExpBlindMatch=%Text%SUBPATT=3' Hope this helps - jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Editor keyboard assignments
Anyone know if the TB folks are working on a configurable editor vis a vis keyboard assignments? I'm constantly getting messed up with differences between my regular editor and the one in TB. (The former, Multi-Edit, is totally configurable but I've been using it for so many years that I'd rather have other programs behave like it rather than the other way around.) -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editor keyboard assignments
On Saturday, January 31, 2004, 8:36:29 PM, Dan Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DP Hello jwayne, DP Friday, January 30, 2004, 1:15:29 PM, you wrote: j Anyone know if the TB folks are working on a configurable editor vis a vis j keyboard assignments? I'm constantly getting messed up with differences between j my regular editor and the one in TB. (The former, Multi-Edit, is totally j configurable but I've been using it for so many years that I'd rather have other j programs behave like it rather than the other way around.) DP Couldn't you do that within the Alt+F12 popup? You might have to launch it DP within an editor window (such as a new email window) to access the actions DP you want to edit. Or am I misunderstanding your question? No, you understood correctly. I searched and searched in the Help file but couldn't find any mention of re-mapping the keyboard. How could they leave this feature out of the Help?? Problem solved - thanks! -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Moving a thread?
How does one move an entire thread to another folder? Everything I try with dragging just moves the top-most message. jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Messed up replies to Outlook messages
On Monday, January 26, 2004, 6:23:56 AM, Robin Anson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RA On Sun 25 January 2004, 14:23:02 +1000, Jwayne wrote: TB is concatenating words when I reply to or forward messages received from an Outlook (NOT Outlook Express) user. (snip) RA I think you'll find that it has to do with the HTML coding in Outlook. I RA can't find a similar example in my message bases at the moment, but do RA recall having seen this happen. RA Look at the raw version of the original (using the F9 key) and find the RA HTML coded version (not plain text version) of the phrase in the original RA text. That may show you what is happening. Correct. I submitted the problem to bugtrack and it looks like it's confirmed. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Messed up replies to Outlook messages
TB is concatenating words when I reply to or forward messages received from an Outlook (NOT Outlook Express) user. Example of original text cut and pasted from message: Yeah, every now and then I put the camera down and close Photoshop and explore the truly disgusting world of PC operating systems. Example of replying to the message (quote prefix removed): Yeah, every now and then Iput the camera down and close Photoshop and explore the truly disgusting worldof PC operating systems. In the above, there are two instances of concatenation: Iput and worldof. This happens to every one of this persons message. There is no consistency in the word location in the sentence. I don't know if this behavior is common to Outlook in general as I'm having a hard time finding other emails from Outlook users. jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Majorly messed up Help non-link
Options, Preferences. Select any option. Press Help. This topic does not exist. Contact your vendor for an updated help file. Press OK, and Help closes. There is no excuse for Help not working on this page. A decent Help file is one of the major hurdles that TB needs to get over before it can be considered a polished, professional product, as has been reiterated here numerous times. jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More missing messages
On Friday, January 16, 2004, 11:30:23 AM, Quin Selman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QS It happened once before that all messages in a particular folder QS suddenly turned invisible. They were reported in the tree as QS existing but nothing showed in the message list. I was able to QS rectify this situation by using Empty Folder to store the messages QS temporarily in the trash (they were readable there), then deleting QS and re-creating the problem folder. I could then move the messages QS back from the trash to the new folder, where they were now displayed QS correctly. QS Now it's happened again. This time it's the inbox under one account. QS There should be 21 messages displayed but they are invisible in the QS message list. Using Empty Folder, I moved them to the trash, where QS they are visible. But I can't delete and re-create the Inbox folder QS as I did with the ordinary folder in the previous instance. QS Any suggestions? And has anyone else had this problem? QS By the way, I'm using the Christmas Edition now but I don't think I QS was when I first experienced the problem. Yep, I have the problem if it's where nothing appears in the message list, but you can still cursor through the blank messages and see them in the preview pane. Mentioned it previously on tbudl. Happens with some folders in one account, and only with the threaded views (Alt-1, 2, 3, 4) but not non-threaded (Alt-0). Even happened with the Trash folder! -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ver 2.02 CE vs 2.01.3 - some glitches
On Monday, January 12, 2004, 1:48:40 PM, S J Love [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SJL Dear tbudl, SJL I noticed a couple of strange things while using the current version SJL (Christmas Ed), so reverted to my previous version (2.01.3), which SJL seemed to fix the 'problems'. These 'problems' were: SJL * DISAPPEARING MESSAGE LIST. The message list for one of my folders, SJL which contained 39 emails, went empty/blank. One message was displayed SJL in the preview pane. Opening and closing The Bat!(TB) did not make the SJL contents of the message list reappeared. I installed v 2.1.3 over the SJL CE version and the list came back. (snip) That sounds like a problem I'm having with some folders in one of my accounts. I can only see the message list if I revert to a non-threaded view (Alt-0). jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat or Pocomail
On Sunday, January 4, 2004, 1:32:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Friday, January 2, 2004, 4:24:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bat Persons, This may not be an appropriate question to ask on this list - and one impossible to answer anyway - but I will ask anyway... tko Despite what mere mortals might say, this is perfectly fine. What is 'better': The Bat! or Pocomail? tko I'd recommend checking out Becky as an alternative to The Bat. tko For me, that is the product which comes closest to replacing TB. tko I must say I don't get Pocomail. Then again, I don't get XP. I'm always willing to try alternative programs even for the ones when I'm entrenched in (like TB) so I just downloaded Becky. Any TB users that require anything more than very basic templates can forget about Becky. Though there does seem to be some sort of API available with the client, the out of the box macro capabilities are pretty much non-existent from what I can tell. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat or Pocomail
On Friday, January 2, 2004, 5:24:28 PM, S J Love [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SJL Hi Bat Persons, SJL This may not be an appropriate question to ask on this list - and one SJL impossible to answer anyway - but I will ask anyway... SJL What is 'better': The Bat! or Pocomail? SJL I have been using both for some months now - The Bat! for over a year - SJL and I find I like and dislike features of both... SJL Presumably most are on this list because they are The Bat! SJL devotess and would opine that The Bat! is a winner by a country mile! SJL Anyway, this is an honest question I'm not endorsing TB over Pocomail because I haven't tried the latter (tho it does look like Pocomail has a more polished exterior.) And I don't really think that this list is the best place for an impartial opinion! But search for bat on the Pocomail forums http://www.pocosystems.com/forum/index.php and see what folks there say. I checked out 4 postings at random (posting headers follow:) 1) leaving Poco until Bayesian filtering (mentions even the bat! has a bayesian freeware plugin) 2) disappointed (a user who had problems setting up pocomail and found it buggy and ended up registering tb!) 3) virus protection (no AVG plugin for Poco but there is one for TB) 4 no longer wants to check Yahoo (more than one Yahoo _POP_ can't get their messages, POPfile and TB work fine) jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Have most people upgraded to the Christmas edition?
On Tuesday, December 30, 2003, 12:37:16 AM, Vishal Nakra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VN Hi Allie VN Monday, December 29, 2003, 10:39:23 AM, you wrote: AM I'm unable to help you since I don't really know what options/features AM mean a lot to you. The best thing to do would be to look at what's AM new here: AM http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=389 VN I did look at that but was wondering if there were any major bugs with VN those features. The folder views thing is the only real problem I've VN heard about (maybe one or two more). My 2 cents. I haven't found ANY advantage to upgrading to 2.0 but did so because of the Christmas Edition offer. The new features mentioned in the link above didn't really - IMO - qualify as a major upgrade. Here are my current issues: 1) I can't stand the new search for message implementation, especially the removal of the search subfolders option. It's much more cumbersome to do this operation. The folder selection is much more awkward also. 2) I rarely do HTML mail, but occasionally want to. I was amazed that cut/paste is not implemented with the HTML editor, nor is word wrap (the latter is not necessary for viewing the resultant HTML but it certainly is easier when composing.) 3) I have a serious bug with one of my accounts in which the message list disappears for threaded views (discussed in another thread) for one of my accounts. I also just found that this happens when trying to browse deleted messages in certain folders for all views, thus making it impossible to find a message without scrolling through everything till I find the proper one via the message preview window. So far I have not see any info on how to fix this. 4) Things that should have been fixed from 1.x including various bugs and missing features and the _still_ atrocious Help (all mentioned in the underwhelmed thread. On the Plus side, I didn't have any problems migrating from the 1.x version. Nor with any of my macros except for a minor issue fixed quickly via a TBUDL message. Also on the Plus side, TB is still currently the best email client around. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Message list disappeared!
On Sunday, December 28, 2003, 2:48:57 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF Hello jwayne, TF On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:51:43 -0500 GMT (28/12/2003, 13:51 +0700 GMT), TF jwayne wrote: TF Check whether you have defined white as both font colour and TF background colour in the View Mode for threaded views. It's not a beta, it's the recent XMas version release of 2.0. I have no such color combos defined. TF This answers my question, but leaves me void for an answer to yours. TF Someone else will have to jump in. Please advise your Windows version, TF TB sometimes behaves differently under different Wins. Very bizarre. It's now not doing in my TBUDL folder (the folder that these messages get filtered to), but it's doing it in every other folder in the account! Anyone else? TB 2.02.3 CE Windows 2000 SP4 jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Message list disappeared!
Ran TB (v2) today and the inbox on one of my accounts has only a blank message list panel! There are +s and blank lines. One can cursor down the message list and even Ctrl-+ over a +'s in which case the thread expands to a - and blank lines underneath. The messages themselves are intact and show up in the message preview window as one cursors over the blank lines. Check integrity/repair didn't help. Any ideas? I've NEVER seen this before... jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message list disappeared!
On Saturday, December 27, 2003, 6:20:09 PM, jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: j Ran TB (v2) today and the inbox on one of my accounts has only a blank j message list panel! There are +s and blank lines. One can cursor down the j message list and even Ctrl-+ over a +'s in which case the thread expands to a - and j blank lines underneath. The messages themselves are intact and show up in the j message preview window as one cursors over the blank lines. j Check integrity/repair didn't help. j Any ideas? I've NEVER seen this before... PS - I just discovered that this happens for ALL threaded views in ANY folder for this one account! If I do Alt-1, or Alt-2 nothing can be seen in the message list window. Alt-3 and Alt-4 I can see the threading + and - indicators but nothing else. Alt-0 shows me the messages. Very puzzling and a big problem! jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Message list disappeared!
On Sunday, December 28, 2003, 12:11:33 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF Hello jwayne, TF On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:32:09 -0500 GMT (28/12/2003, 10:32 +0700 GMT), TF jwayne wrote: j Ran TB (v2) today TF Whcih version? There was a bug in one the betas, I think... PS - I just discovered that this happens for ALL threaded views in ANY folder for this one account! TF Check whether you have defined white as both font colour and TF background colour in the View Mode for threaded views. It's not a beta, it's the recent XMas version release of 2.0. I have no such color combos defined. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re-send doesn't store when re-sent
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 1:43:28 PM, Ken Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KS Hello, KS Unless I am missing something, using Message-Re-send doesn't KS store the time and date of re-sending. KS If you send a message, and then don't get a response (perhaps because KS some mail server lost the message), and then use Message-Re-send to KS send another copy, it does put another copy of the sent message in the KS Sent folder - but I can't find any header in the message that says KS when it was re-sent. KS Thus, there is no paper trail or other documentation on the re-send. KS Am I missing something, or is this a verifiable problem that I should KS report? Confirmed here. Ya gotta make a modification before re-sending for the created date to change. (There is no sent field, just a created field.) jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on HTML tags?
On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, 6:35:48 PM, Munango-Keewati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK Hello TBUDL, MK Is it possible to filter on HTML tags, such as html or !? I've MK been trying without success, using the Text setting. Doesn't the MK filter run on raw text, without regard for what is or isn't displayed? MK Any help appreciated. Thanks. Works for me. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Filtering on HTML tags?
On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, 8:54:53 PM, Munango-Keewati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, 5:47:22 PM, you wrote: On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, 6:35:48 PM, Munango-Keewati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK Hello TBUDL, MK Is it possible to filter on HTML tags, such as html or !? I've MK been trying without success, using the Text setting. Doesn't the MK filter run on raw text, without regard for what is or isn't displayed? MK Any help appreciated. Thanks. Works for me. jon MK Any suggestions on why this doesn't work? MK BeginFilter (snip) I apologize. I was doing text searches which did work and did not test filters. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Re-send doesn't store when re-sent
On Wednesday, December 24, 2003, 7:21:06 PM, Ken Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) KS If I use the re-send command, I don't get an opportunity to make any KS sort of change. Only re-direct allows that, and that command adds the KS Resent-From header with the account's From address (which I may KS not want to be revealed to the recipient of this message). I have all my accounts sent to Deferred sending. Since everything is first queued in the Outbox, I can make changes as desired before sending. -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 6:12:08 AM, Daniel Rail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DR Hello Jurgen, DR Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 3:28:06 AM, you wrote: j ... the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and j puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. DR And, I observe that it is at the end. Am I missing something? Yep. Try it again, comparing how it works in a message vs in a header. well, I would also say it's unprofessional, and I (as a non programmer) keep wondering how hard it can be to implement a redo function properly. DR It's only in the Plain Text(MicroEd) editor that the Redo function DR is not implemented. It is implemented in the other editors. Ironic that they'd implement this important feature only in the HTML editor when TB users are the most anti-HTML for email crowd around! jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.0 Underwhelmed...
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 8:49:51 AM, Daniel Rail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DR Hello jwayne, DR Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 8:20:44 AM, you wrote: j ... the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and j puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. DR And, I observe that it is at the end. Am I missing something? Yep. Try it again, comparing how it works in a message vs in a header. DR Sorry, I wasn't fully awake. I tried CTRL-SHIFT-Right. I just tried DR CTRL-SHIFT-Left and it works as it should, the cursor stays at the DR left of the selected block of characters, since you are selecting DR towards the left not the right. Notepad works the same way. DR If you're comparing with MS Word, the cursor stop blinking when DR performing the selection, so you can't tell where it is. No, it _doesn't_ work as it should. There are basically two problems with the implementation as is: 1) Cursor position: Ctrl-Shift-Left should move the cursor word by word to the left, not move immediately to the beginning of the text 2) Selection: Ctrl-Shift-Left should unselect word by word. Again, things work properly in the message text. I'd put this down as an annoying long-time bug that needs to be fixed. But it doesn't bother me nearly as much as another poster in this thread. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Aargh - new macro problem with 2.0!
In 1.x I regularly used a quick template when replying to messages in one of my folders. It filled in the To: header by grabbing it from the text: %TO= %TO='%setpattregexp=(?i-s)(Buyer\: +)(.+\:)(.+)%RegExpBlindMatch=%Text%SUBPATT=3' The replies are eBay confirmations, but occasionally I file other related messages in the folder that don't have the text the TO macro is looking for. So I just filled in the To: field by hand. But now, with 2.x, I can't do this! It keeps blanking out the To: contents if I move off the header into the body text! I have to fill in the To: last and send or queue to make sure the To: stays put. I tested this with another template and TB activates the header macro every time I leave the header field for the body text! I went back to a 1.x machine and confirmed that this is new behavior. Any work-around? jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Aargh - new macro problem with 2.0!
On Monday, December 22, 2003, 10:59:45 PM, Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MDP Hi Jwayne, MDP @22-Dec-2003, 22:41 -0500 (23-Dec 03:41 UK time) jwayne said: (regarding template re-evaluation for header fields) MDP Just touch the message body once. As long as it is modified you can MDP change the TO header at will and it will stick. If the body is MDP unmodified, the template is re-evaluated when you move from header MDP to body to take account of any changes required to the body due to MDP re-addressing. In your case, the template re-evaluation causes the MDP To field to blank. Yep, that does the trick - thanks! jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2.0 Underwhelmed...
Just upgraded to 2.0 and am definitely underwhelmed. First, I was quite surprised that bugs in the 1.x version reported over a year ago haven't been addressed. Here are two of 'em: 1) Paste in any header field (e.g., To: or Subject:). Ctrl-V or right-click paste works OK, Edit|Paste pastes the text into the message! 2) Ctrl-shift-right arrow and Ctrl-shift-left arrow are standard key combos to highlight words to copy or cut text. In The Bat, this works properly when in the message area: Ctrl-shift-right arrow will select text word by word, Ctrl-shift-left arrow will the undo the selection word by word. This is how ALL Windows editors and dialog boxes behave, almost without exception. However, this does not work properly in any The Bat message header field (To, Subject, etc); the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. Were there ANY improvements in the editor? 1) You still can't reformat lots of text at time. Alt-L, for example places the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph just formatted and one has to cursor down to the next paragraph to do that one. If you highlight more than one paragraph at a time, it will join them together and reformat so that doesn't work. Paste Formatted doesn't work at all if the original text has indentations. 2) There is undo but no redo. Something that is pretty much standard in any decent editor these days. Window dressing on the message search and it's now more user-UNfriendly. 1) It's a real pain in the butt to search over all accounts because you have to scroll down, checking each account, rather than clicking a single checkbox. 2) It still doesn't save the state of the last search (like Reg Ex). The Help file is still CRAP! They obviously didn't spend ANY time improving it. I'm amazed that they left The Bat Network Course garbage in the help file and didn't address the mass confusion regarding administering accounts and passwords. Pages have mis-aligned columns (e.g., key command pages) and otherwise are formatted so that they are hard to read (e.g., macro lists). Very unprofessional. A Scheduler? TB is a GREAT email program, and that's where the focus should be. There are much better schedulers out there and I haven't a clue why the authors thought to include such functionality (apart from scheduling email related tasks.) Grumble grumble, at least you can now print selected text but I'm not sure what else I got for my 14 bucks. -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can no longer see deleted messages!
I have a bunch of email accounts. Browse Deleted messages no longer works for any account (unless a message was just deleted and I don't close TB.) I do NOT automatically purge messages on exit. TB 1.62r. Any clues? jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can no longer see deleted messages!
On Thursday, December 18, 2003, 10:45:39 AM, jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: j I have a bunch of email accounts. Browse Deleted messages no longer works for j any account (unless a message was just deleted and I don't close TB.) I do NOT j automatically purge messages on exit. j TB 1.62r. j Any clues? j jon Yeah, here's the reason fool (don't jump on me, I'm talking to myself!): the Inbox properties of each account has Compress on Exit set. Apparently this is the default when creating new accounts, but I don't know how this happened on previously existing accounts for which I used to be able to browse deleted messages. Found the answer on the ritlabs forum... jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
duplicate folders problem
Duplicate folders started appearing for one user's instance of TB. For example: EmailAccount | | inbox | | inboxsubfolder outbox folderx inbox | | inboxsubfolder outbox folderx E.g., I create a new subfolder under inbox inboxsubfolder and a new top level folder folderx in emailaccount. The next time TB is started, these folders also show up as standalone folders outside of emailaccount. The messages are also duplicated in these folders. If I delete those duplicates, they reappear. (I've also deleted all of those extra folders, deleted all messages, closed and restarted TB. Problem still occurs.) Any clues? jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: duplicate folders problem
On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 10:06:05 PM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:59:55 -0500 GMT (26/03/03, 07:59 +0700 GMT), TF jwayne wrote: Duplicate folders started appearing for one user's instance of TB. For example: TF Please check out whether this user uses a beta version higher than TF 1.63/b5. If so, he should subsribe to the beta list. Not a beta. 1.62i. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Major printing bug...
Highlight a message in the message list box, click Print, then Cancel in the Print dialog. It cancels. Good. How highlight a bunch of messages. Click Print, then Cancel. It DOESN'T cancel, but queues up all of the messages for printing! This is a TB bug, not a driver bug. I have tested similar behavior with Agent and OE 6 and Cancel works properly. 1.62i with Windows 2000 Canon S500 driver. jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation in xxxxx ?
On Thursday, February 6, 2003, 12:22:02 AM, telepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t I've sometimes (perhaps one time in a day) Access Violation in x ; t it does not disturb the good running of the programm, a simple OK and t the program continues... t Have you got these little errors, if yes, in which frequencies ? I get access violations frequently when starting up TB and have for quite a while. As you said, it doesn't affect the operation of the program (other errors pop up from time to time and prevent me from properly terminating TB other than the task manager.) And I do NOT have a large message database as others have suggested as the problem... jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why AOL email as attachments inside attachments?
OK, it's probably not a TB issue per se, but as that is my exclusive email client I'll ask anyway: I frequently get email from AOL users that are attachments inside attachments. That is, the text portion will show nothing and the attachment pane will show message.msg. When I open up the attachment, I get another blank text portion and attachment message.msg. Finally, when I open up THAT attachment, I see the text of the message (plus a message.htm HTML attachment.) Often these are forwarded emails, but I'm sure that at least within the AOL crap email system it doesn't appear this way. Anybody else see this? Know why it happens? Thanks - jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: importing contacts from Outlook to TB
On Monday, January 20, 2003, 2:13:08 PM, Matt Cahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) MC I'm trying to import the contacts from my company's Outlook program MC to The Bat. I think I've made *some* headway, compared to previous MC attempts. I found a program called Dawn MC (http://www.joshie.com/projects/dawn/). Using that, I was able to go: MC 1. From Outlook to Outlook Express (via CSV file...even though I know MC this part isn't necessary) MC 2. From Outlook Express to LDIF (via Dawn) MC 3. Import from LDIF to TB (snip) A major shortcoming of TB; it's import capabilities are deficient and buggy. This is one reason why I don't believe that the authors are very serious about making TB a major player. Transferring mail and addressbook info from other clients - especially OE - should have been a priority, not an afterthought that doesn't even work properly. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 11:27:30 AM, Spike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have S discovered 324 files in; S C:\WINDOWS\TEMP S The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that S are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as S batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or S not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within S the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide S with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not S positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than S May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they S containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be S message ID's. S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB S of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so S that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free S some space on the system. This has been an occasional topic. Some people have experienced this and most haven't. Don't think anyone every figured out why. My 2 cents is that this is not a TB specific issue. Windows in general - regardless of which version - does not clean up after itself very well. Nor do many, many apps. Go to the average machine and you'll see tons of junk in temp. Everyone should run an occasional cleanup routine to get rid of stuff in the system temp and the user temp directories (latter is specific to W2K and Win XP.) Also note that with W2K and XP you can delete files based on access OR modified OR creation dates. Finally, it's often a good idea to run a login/logoff script in an enterprise environment to automate this process. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug importing from Outlook Express
On Thursday, January 2, 2003, 8:54:36 AM, Gavin Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GS I just thought I'd let the list know that when I imported my messages GS from Outlook Express, two characters were missing from the end of each GS message! Fortunately, the last two characters of any given message GS are usually predicatable sign-off material, but still... You're lucky. When I did this way back when, MANY messages were majorly corrupted. I had to use Eudora's import/export tools as an intermediary between OE and TB! jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
WEIRD printing error...
Printed some messages today. Then TB stopped printing properly and would only print a single page that said Invalid HTML! Please forward this message to developers. Thanks. EAccessViolation Access Violation at address xxx in module thebat.exe. Read of address yyy. This would occur with any message and NONE of it was html mail. Closed TB and started it again. Back to normal. Very weird... jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Model/view design for text editor
On Saturday, December 28, 2002, 12:38:48 AM, Bruno Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) BF I'd love a way to disable the free caret. Like Multi-Edit, which has a configurable restrict cursor option. I'm long used to a free caret, but as almost EVERY word processor and editor don't have this, almost EVERY user is accustomed to a restricted cursor. I'd like to see TB have such an option, if nothing other than to eliminate these seemlingly endless discussions related to a free caret!! jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Model/view design for text editor
On Saturday, December 28, 2002, 4:03:03 AM, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VBG -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- VBG Hash: SHA1 (snip) VBG I am also looking for a text editor that works like the TB! VBG I would like the free style caret position with hard returns VBG guaranteed. VBG I am currently using Keynote and it is great but I really VBG like the hard wrap functions and free style caret that TB! VBG provides. VBG Anyone know of a good text editor like that? Well since you asked, my vote goes to Multi-Edit. It is not cheap (but not the most expensive either) and may be overkill for your needs (much of its features are geared towards programmers), but it is amazing versatile and configurable. They have a 30-day demo so you have nothing to lose by checking it out: http://www.multiedit.com jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message creation from body text filter
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, 5:01:40 PM, Marcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M Is it possible to grab text from a message body and use that M in a new mail? M I have a web form which sends me a mail with fields like: M firstname: fred M lastname: bloggs M There's no info in the headers. Can I filter out the M person's name and use it in a semi-automated reply to them? Check out the %TEXT macro. You can extract info from it using other macros. For example, %setpattregexp=(?i-s)(firstname\: +)(.+)%RegExpBlindMatch=%Text%SUBPATT=2 will return fred. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Importing Bat mailboxes
On Sunday, October 27, 2002, 1:02:39 AM, Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcus I don't have any TB format backups I can restore. It looks like I Marcus would have to manually recreate every account and import every Marcus message folder, of which there are 20+? Is it really that much of a Marcus hassle? LG Depends. Create the accounts with the exact same names as the last LG time, and it'll auto pickup the info from the accounts. If it doesn't LG pick up the folders automatically afterwards, while in the account, LG hit CTRL-SHIFT-ALT-L to find lost folders. Can you clarify what a lost folder is? Is Ctrl-Shift-Alt-L documented? Thanks - jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 8:05:44 AM, Marcus Ohlström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MO On Friday, October 25, 2002, 13:37, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MO Could it be that TB! for some reason tries to log on to one account MO but tries to send the message from another? It would indeed be a MO strange behaviour, but it's my last shot. Actually, yes - that's a thought. This account is the default for mailto:; is the key there. MO I'm not sure about that (even if This account is the default for MO mailto:; must be involved). I think the key is bad programming by RIT MO Labs. MO My guess is that TB! interpret account settings in the wrong order. When MO launched through a mailto: link, it first checks for This account is MO the default for mailto:; and tries to send the message through the MO corresponding account, thus putting up the dialog asking for account MO password. It then realize there are accounts set up as user and not MO admin and asks for log on. MO If TB! instead first checked for the presence of user accounts, it could MO present only the log on box and dismiss the account password dialog. MO I think this should be reported to the bugtraq, but since I don't have MO my username/password at hand, anyone else feel like reporting? MO Jonathan, have you seen this thread? Any thoughts? Interesting. I removed the default for mailto option on my password-protected account. Closed TB. Then clicked on a mailto: URL. The password only dialog did NOT come up. The Logon did. I then entered another account name and no password (as there was no password for this account) and TB started up. It did NOT start a new message, however, but gave me a TB view of that account only. (That is, as if I had started TB with a non-admin account name.) I could not do ANYTHING in TB, nor could I even close TB! I had to End Task on the TB process; however TB gave me an Access Violation message and I force an abort via the W2K Not responding message. At this point there was NO account with a default for mailto option enabled. I then started TB normally, enabled the default for mailto option on the non-password protected account and closed TB. Then clicked on a mailto: URL again. This time, the Logon dialog flashed on the screen and TB started up with a new message, using that default mailto account. I was limited to that message, however, until I entered something in the Logon dialog. These errors are reproducible in my environment. I'm surprised that other folks have not experienced them. To me, it only reaffirms my opinion that the whole Network and Administration methodology of TB needs to be revamped and then properly documented. It seems more of an afterthought, and really is not that administerable. (My needs are not demanding, but I'd prefer a simple security database for managing accounts: creating, granting rights, changing passwords, etc.) jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple Bat users on one PC?-user logins?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 12:37:04 PM, Paul Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PC On Friday, October 25, 2002, 11:42 AM, you wrote: MO Could it be that TB! for some reason tries to log on to one account MO but tries to send the message from another? It would indeed be a MO strange behaviour, but it's my last shot. PC I'm still a little confused about the users and accounts. After I setup PC ADMIN, now when I start TB it asks for the user and login. I never set PC myself up as a USER and I see no place to do that. I have 6 accounts PC that I track mail from. I can get to them ALL right now using the ADMIN PC login. If I setup TB for another Windows XP login, will they also be PC able to access my login accounts? I'd rather sort all this out before I PC add the next user The TB user account has nothing to do with the XP login (except insofar as the HKCU registry key will be different for different XP logins and needs to be addressed; you'll find conflicting info here regarding this issue as recent threads have shown.) An Admin account will see all accounts when starting TB. But if other accounts are password protected, you'll still need the password to drill down into those accounts. The other accounts - when logging in (or when starting TB with /focusu=accountname or /focusu=accountname;p=accountpassword) ONLY show that account that was logged into. You set the account up as Admin or User (the latter with specific permissions) via Options | Network Administration | Privileges. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move and delete from server
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 3:14:57 PM, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J Every once in awhile i get a single message that i want to save, yet J delete from the server. I can easily save the message in another J folder but how can i delete the message from the server at the same J time. J I do NOT want to do the same thing to all messages from this J particular source and that is what is making it hard. Does the Dispatch function do what you need? Ctrl-F2 Shift-Ctrl-F2. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: move and delete from server
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 3:49:25 PM, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J Every once in awhile i get a single message that i want to save, yet J delete from the server. I can easily save the message in another J folder but how can i delete the message from the server at the same J time. J I do NOT want to do the same thing to all messages from this J particular source and that is what is making it hard. JW Does the Dispatch function do what you need? Ctrl-F2 Shift-Ctrl-F2. J I am unsure of what that function does? Please enlighten me It allows you to view message headers directly on the server, and then tag them, receive, delete, etc. Try it out! jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Disabled window error redux...
Previously I mentioned an error that I occasionally receive. Slightly edited from the original posting: = Cannot focus a disabled or invisible window message box appears. The TB title bar goes blank (no icon or The Bat! title) and TB loses focus. If I then toggle back to TB, the message box reappears. I can NOT do anything in TB or even exit. Had to abort TB by ending the process. = Well, I figured out when it happens. I was in the message view window. Typed in a few letters to quick search for a message. When the HTML message came up in the view window below, I deleted the HTML attachment portion. Then toggled back to the quick search window and did another search. Eventually, the error repeated itself. 1.61, Windows 2000 SP2 (thankfully, since it is easy to end the process. Also thankfully, TB has ALWAYS recovered without any errors in the message base!) jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Nothing to send
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 8:11:58 AM, Markus Gloede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MG does anyone know why the Bat sometimes tells me that there is Nothing MG to send while I have a lot of messages in my outbox? I've also occasionally seen this. Not sure why it happens, but everything clears up after I've restarted TB. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 9:23:04 AM, Don Zeigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DZ Per an earlier thread I would like to propose a message board for the DZ purposes of promoting and discussing the Bat. DZ This board would be hosted on my web server and would run on either PHPBB or DZ Invision... I'm currently evaluating both and haven't decided which one I DZ like better. :-) DZ So, feedback is needed: Good idea? Bad idea? Would you participate in a DZ message board? Would you be interested in moderating a forum? How many DZ forums would be required? I'd much rather use a message board than a mailing list. Lots of my time is spent deleting email messages that I'm not interested in. Message boards are usually searchable, can be divided into topics, etc etc. I'm sure that your efforts to set this up would be much appreciated, but seeing as a message board is a much more professional way to support a product I'm suprised that the impetus for doing so doesn't come directly from RIT. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Log on prompts...
TB is password protected and not open. I then click on a email link. Two dialog boxes then pop up. Enter password and - underneath it - the Log on to The Bat! dialog with User and password prompts. If I hit cancel on the password only box, I am left with the regular Log On dialog. After logging on, the new message is created. If I enter the password of the default account on the first dialog box, a new message is also created. Until I send out that message (after which TB exits), however, the regular Log On dialog is still sitting there. If I hit cancel on that one, TB terminates (even if I'm currently editing the new message.) Obviously, the first prompt is for the purposes of creating a single message only. But it's VERY annoying to have to respond to two prompts in order to keep TB open. I'd much rather have a single Log On prompt in response to a mailto link. Any way around this? jon -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Log on prompts...
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 1:21:37 PM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:57:32 -0400 GMT (22/10/02, 20:57 +0700 GMT), TF jwayne wrote: TB is password protected and not open. I then click on a email link. Two dialog boxes then pop up. Enter password and - underneath it - the Log on to The Bat! dialog with User and password prompts. TF Why do you get two dialog boxes? If you have an account password TF protected, then TB should only ask for that, shouldn't it? What for is TF the second dialog? This is explained in my original message. There are TWO dialogs that pop up when clicking on a mailto: link. The first (modal one) prompts only for a password and is apparently used to allow creation and sending of a single message. The second dialog is a TB logon, with both account and password. If that one is cancelled, the whole TB session is aborted, even if already editing a message. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Log on prompts...
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 2:46:13 PM, Marcus Ohlström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MO On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 20:35, jwayne wrote: TF Why do you get two dialog boxes? If you have an account password TF protected, then TB should only ask for that, shouldn't it? What TF for is the second dialog? This is explained in my original message. MO No it isn't, you say there are two dialogs but you don't explain what MO the second dialog is. Hopefully the note at the end - along with the jpeg - will make this clearer. (snip) The second dialog is a TB logon, with both account and password. If that one is cancelled, the whole TB session is aborted, even if already editing a message. MO This one is strange, AFAIK there is no such thing as a TB! logon. My MO first guess was that you have told TB! not to remember your POP3 MO password and TB! therefore prompts you for username/password to your MO POP3 account. However, you mention the Log on to The Bat! dialog MO which contradicts my first idea, such a dialog for your POP3 account MO password should not be labeled Log on to The Bat!. MO Could you maybe make a screen dump showing the two dialogs you are MO talking about? Upload it to a suitable site and post the URL here. My default mailto account has an access password (Account | Set Access Password). TB _is_ set to remember my password. I normally start TB via a shortcut: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /focusu=Default_Account;p=TB_Account_password Here is a small jpeg of the two dialogs: http://zdub.home.mindspring.com/batprompts.jpg The Enter password dialog is modal and accepts my default account password for the purpose of creating a single message. The Log On dialog underneath it is needed in order to stay in TB; if Cancel is pressed than the TB session is aborted (again, even if I'm in the middle of a message.) If I don't do anything with this dialog, then TB closes as soon as I'm done with the message I created via the mailto: link. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Log on prompts...
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 5:09:32 PM, Marcus Ohlström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MO On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 22:20, jwayne wrote: My default mailto account has an access password (Account | Set Access Password). TB _is_ set to remember my password. I normally start TB via a shortcut: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /focusu=Default_Account;p=TB_Account_password MO What happens when you start TB! through this shortcut? Any dialogs MO showing? Nope, starts right up. Here is a small jpeg of the two dialogs: http://zdub.home.mindspring.com/batprompts.jpg MO Strange, I've never seen anything like that before. Hopefully someone MO else could manage to help you with this. MO Could it be that TB! or it's files are stored in a directory which is MO encrypted or where you don't have normal access priviligies? A long MO shot, but at least a shot :-) No encryption. It's a Windows 2000 system, but FAT32 so there are no file permissions. Thanks - jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 8:15:51 PM, Vishal Nakra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VN I posted this question a few days ago, but no one was able to help. VN I'm repeating it in the hope that someone might be able to give it a VN shot this time around, since I am really tired of this. If someone VN could tell me how they have TB configured on Win2K, that would be a VN big help too. VN I use Windows 2000 Professional, SP3. The sequence of actions is this. VN I always use TB when logged on to Windows as a normal Power User. If I VN subsequently happen to check my mail when logged on as Administrator, and then try to check the mail VN at some future time when logged back on as a Power User(my normal mode of VN usage), I have problems. TB keeps it's registries setting in HKEY_CURRENT_USER. This is user specific. Try exporting HKCU\RIT\The Bat! when logged in as a PU, then import when an Admin. You may need to tweak a little. \Users Depot is a critical key that describes the location of mail directories for each user. (rest of message snipped.) jon - jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
